Anyone to the left of Hitler is a terrorist according to Harper and his batshiat crazy crowd of jesusfreaks.

Yes, that's heroic because what we really need right now is governments to call each and every political group they disagree with terrorists. Like we haven't had enough of that shiat for the last decade already.

so is subby saying that simply because one is a terrorist one cant support animal rights?

or the other way around even?

some are (Earth First, Animal Liberation Front, etc) some aren't and some are borderline (Greenpeace commits its share of economic sabotage so one could argue that they are a terrorist organization but they also work within the system by influencing governments to strengthen environmental regulations).

To paint the entire movement with the "terrorist brush" is nothing more than political grandstanding.

Take that Jeffrey Goines and Jas Mann

aearra: Anyone to the left of Hitler is a terrorist according to Harper and his batshiat crazy crowd of jesusfreaks.

I'm flying a squirrel into a birdhouse right now so I'm really getting a kick.

DEATH TO THE FEATHERED SATAN!

A Terrible Human: I got a horrible little pamphlet that had pictures of maimed animals in the mail from PETA yesterday so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

/It was about ending animal testing for medications
//I don't think PETA has any right to say anything considering how many animals they kill in their shelters.

Do they torture the animals they kill first?

So unless you favor extreme animal cruelty, you're a terrorist. Unless you favor pouring toxic chemicals directly into children's drinking water, you're a terrorist. If you protest Wall Street, you're a terrorist. Protesting tax cuts for rich people and non-existent death panels is good though.

ghare: So unless you favor extreme animal cruelty, you're a terrorist. Unless you favor pouring toxic chemicals directly into children's drinking water, you're a terrorist. If you protest Wall Street, you're a terrorist. Protesting tax cuts for rich people and non-existent death panels is good though.

Yes, friends, you too can get a degree in False Dichotomies from the New York University at Kingston (NYUK).

ComicBookGuy: A Terrible Human: I got a horrible little pamphlet that had pictures of maimed animals in the mail from PETA yesterday so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

/It was about ending animal testing for medications
//I don't think PETA has any right to say anything considering how many animals they kill in their shelters.

Do they torture the animals they kill first?

Yes, by not feeding them.

Sock Ruh Tease: ComicBookGuy: A Terrible Human: I got a horrible little pamphlet that had pictures of maimed animals in the mail from PETA yesterday so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

/It was about ending animal testing for medications
//I don't think PETA has any right to say anything considering how many animals they kill in their shelters.

Do they torture the animals they kill first?

Yes, by not feeding them.
^^THIS**

To be fair, Stephen Harper has a real problem with environmental groups who oppose his "rape and pillage the land because their is oil there" platform, as well as his "it's okay if some people get cancer from our industrial pollutants, because injuns aren't people" platform.

//Lives in Alberta.
///Hates Albertans.

I may need to read the article, based on these comments. Because, you know, SOME of those groups DO act like terrorists. But everyone in here is flipping shiat.

/eh I probably won't read it

ModernLuddite: To be fair, Stephen Harper has a real problem with environmental groups who oppose his "rape and pillage the land because their is oil there" platform,

: Drill drill drill, duggaduggadugga, drill drill drill, duggaduggadugga

Snapper Carr: To paint the entire movement with the "terrorist brush" is nothing more than political grandstanding.

Except for the Tea Party, of course.

If you use violence against people or property to promote political or social goals, you are a terrorist.

It does not matter if you you are anti-abortion, anti-carnivore, anti-pollution, anti-(whatever race you hate), anti...well, anything pretty much.

Some groups are so decentralized, like ELF and ALF that they can have completely different methods, so one group is terrorist in actions and another is not. Should they be painted with the same label?

Some are not decentralized, so it is an easier call.

So long as you are peaceful, go ahead, promote your agenda.

tomWright: If you use violence against people or property to promote political or social goals, you are a terrorist.

Tom wins the internet today.

LasersHurt: I may need to read the article, based on these comments. Because, you know, SOME of those groups DO act like terrorists. But everyone in here is flipping shiat.

/eh I probably won't read it

Don't bother. The article lists a couple of organizations, but never does really say which groups are listed as terrorists.

\I wonder if the GOP is on the list?

"I read about them in Time magazine."

A true ecoterrorist wouldn't burn a hummer. They'd steal it, part it out, and recycle the parts.

America could take a hint from Canada and do this with anti-choice loons.

Jake Havechek: The Canadians. They walk among us. William Shatner. Michael J. Fox. Monty Hall. Mike Meyers. Alex Trebek. All of them Canadians. All of them here.

He just released a new album. Now that should be classified as terrorism.

Well, all I can say is that I'm glad I read the article before posting, cause if I hadn't, then came on here and flipped-out about Harper and fascists, and Wall Street, and taxes etc....I'd feel pretty silly right now.

s2s2s2: Snapper Carr: To paint the entire movement with the "terrorist brush" is nothing more than political grandstanding.

Except for the Tea Party, of course.

Nonsense, tea party used violence against property to promote political or social goals

Callous: Well that's different because they disagree with us. So they must all be batshiat crazy terrorists

"Us?" Oh, *you* must be a terrorist.

They're referring to groups like the ALF, who resort to illegal means to rescue animals, not the likes of PETA or the Humane Society of the US, who have fringe opinions on animal rights but use legal venues.

monoski: tomWright: If you use violence against people or property to promote political or social goals, you are a terrorist.

Tom wins the internet today.

^

Terrorism is not about WHAT cause you serve, but HOW you serve it.

Well I don't have a horse in this debate, so I'm going to step off to the side and watch.

Jake Havechek: The Canadians. They walk among us. William Shatner. Michael J. Fox. Monty Hall. Mike Meyers. Alex Trebek. All of them Canadians. All of them here.

The "Great One" too. Them Canadians hate that. Reminds me of an ols SNL skit: "Dead or Canadian?...sometimes it's hard to tell." Lorne Greene? Trick question. Both.

Vegemite: Well I don't have a horse in this debate, so I'm going to step off to the side and watch.

If you did have a horse in this debate, you would be an animal abuser and terrorist target, so that's good at least!

Jake Havechek: The Canadians. They walk among us. William Shatner. Michael J. Fox. Monty Hall. Mike Meyers. Alex Trebek. All of them Canadians. All of them here.

Lorne Greene... green card... COINCIDENCE?!?

Dorf11: Lorne Greene... green card... COINCIDENCE?!?

The extra E is for "E-Verify".

Technically you could probably describe some of the environmental extremist groups as terrorists, but because being labeled a terrorist means you can be killed by a drone strike and be tortured and held without trial for years they shouldn't use it so willy nilly.

inkblot: They're referring to groups like the ALF, who resort to illegal means to rescue animals, not the likes of PETA or the Humane Society of the US, who have fringe opinions on animal rights but use legal venues.

Of course, all PETA does is finance the people who burn down the labs, so they are cool and all.

LewDux: s2s2s2: Snapper Carr: To paint the entire movement with the "terrorist brush" is nothing more than political grandstanding.

Except for the Tea Party, of course.

Nonsense, tea party was violence against property to promote political or social goals

So you are saying they aren't?

sinschild: inkblot: They're referring to groups like the ALF, who resort to illegal means to rescue animals, not the likes of PETA or the Humane Society of the US, who have fringe opinions on animal rights but use legal venues.

Of course, all PETA does is finance the people who burn down the labs, so they are cool and all.

Is that meant to be a factual statement?

Headso: Technically you could probably describe some of the environmental extremist groups as terrorists, but because being labeled a terrorist means you can be killed by a drone strike and be tortured and held without trial for years they shouldn't use it so willy nilly.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Canadian policy on drone-bombing people might be a bit different.

s2s2s2: LewDux: s2s2s2: Snapper Carr: To paint the entire movement with the "terrorist brush" is nothing more than political grandstanding.

Except for the Tea Party, of course.

Nonsense, tea party was violence against property to promote political or social goals

So you are saying they aren't?

Terrorism is the systematic use of terror, especially as a means of political coercion.

Unless you can show a pattern of violence sanctioned by the organization you are trying to label as terrorist, then you should probably go with the "Organization appeals to wingnut assholes who commit crimes" instead.

Not trying to split hairs, but that label carries some interesting consequences these days.

So, the article's author raises the alarm about this website, but felt no need to provide a link. That's some quality reporting there.

Does ELF still exist? It seems like it has been awhile since I've heard about any acts of theirs.

LasersHurt: Headso: Technically you could probably describe some of the environmental extremist groups as terrorists, but because being labeled a terrorist means you can be killed by a drone strike and be tortured and held without trial for years they shouldn't use it so willy nilly.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Canadian policy on drone-bombing people might be a bit different.

I don't really know, but they are over there in Afghanistan supporting our hobby war.

Headso: LasersHurt: Headso: Technically you could probably describe some of the environmental extremist groups as terrorists, but because being labeled a terrorist means you can be killed by a drone strike and be tortured and held without trial for years they shouldn't use it so willy nilly.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Canadian policy on drone-bombing people might be a bit different.

I don't really know, but they are over there in Afghanistan supporting our hobby war.

Yikes. That's... yikes. *gets a ten foot pole*

Philip Francis Queeg: sinschild: inkblot: They're referring to groups like the ALF, who resort to illegal means to rescue animals, not the likes of PETA or the Humane Society of the US, who have fringe opinions on animal rights but use legal venues.

Of course, all PETA does is finance the people who burn down the labs, so they are cool and all.

Is that meant to be a factual statement?

Yes, actually it is.

They were recently in danger of losing their tax exempt status for supporting Rodney Coronado and the ELF. I remember watching the congressional hearings on it, and they actually admitted they donated to both.

PETA provides financial and more importantly moral support for terrorist. Fact