Oh look, another Steve Jobs article. Let's see if it says anything that hasn't been said a thousand times since last week.


/Nope.

List fails without iPhone.

They forgot objective c. That language alone undoes any and all "good" that Jobs has ever done. There's nothing objective about it. A better name would be I'm-over-hormonal-ovulating-baby-crazy-and-completely-irrational c because that's a better descriptor of it. It's pure evil unleashed on any poor unsuspecting developer.

... which is why I'll never touch it ever again and use http://www.appcelerator.com/

/ but I still think it should be on that list.
// at least twice if not three times.

not on the list?

Blocked at work, anyone care to repost the list?

The Newton is not on the list as it came out between Jobs. And frankly the Newtons weren't as bad as most people like to claim they were. frankly if we wanna get into shiatty Apple products while Jobs was gone...lets start with the ENTIRE Performa line.

Only ten?

traylor: List fails without iPhone.

Don't see how that's a bad product. Certainly made apple richer, entrenched them in the mobile market as an industry leader, and put them into even more homes.

I mean, from the consumer point of view, maybe. But why would a sharehold care at all about a silly thing like consumers?

divx88: They forgot objective c

"HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE OBJECTIVE-C SINCE I BEGAN TO PROGRAM. THERE ARE TRILLIONS OF MILES OF FARKISMS AND BAD PROGRAMMING PRACTICES IN CHOCO-WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY THINK SACK. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH CANCER-FREE CELL OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MEME-MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR OBJECTIVE-C AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR APPLE. HATE. HATE."

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not on the list?

Newton rocked!

/I still have two, too bad the batteries are long dead

The iSight wasn't an awful product.

It was just over-priced and made obsolete quickly as Apple starting building cameras into all its computers and devices.

But it worked fine.

Also, the PowerMac G4 wasn't an awful product by any stretch.

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not on the list?

Eat up Martha.

Apple's first go at the ipad. (new window)

I'm sorry, this can't be right. I was specifically told everything Apple does is magical and just works, unlike the entire rest of the computer and CE industry which all makes buggy, unusable crap you have to tweak for hours to make slightly less unusable.

Wait. Steve Jobs died?

Weird. AppleTV Gen 1 sold pretty well whilst it was around; about 3mil units per year from what I remember reading. I think a lot of these sites slam it mainly because they were getting all excited about some sort of Apple branded cable box replacement that'd used the internet & TV show producers to offer you a PayG buffet. Guess sites forget that most of the cable companies that'd compete with are also the largest ISP's as well.

Yep, I have a puck mouse here. It's erm... well... I wrapped it in plastic and burried it in the backgarden but the pure, unadulterated FAIL leeched in to the water table and gave squirrels the derp.

I think the shuffle was retarded from the get go rather than being version specific.

G4 Cube. It's a good example of why Apple ultimatley shifted to Intel and there was never a G5 based laptop; you just couldn't shove a PPC chip of that era in a chassis that small... well you could but you probably shouldn't of.

iSight. Heh. I remember them being like £30 direct from Apple *shrug*

G4 PowerMac's. Rage all you want internet. I love gutting them and building my computers inside them. I just really like that style of chassis.

Lisa was a failure only because it was priced too high, not for what it could (or not) do. It was virtually identical in functionality to the Mac, which was derived from Lisa, but affordable. So it's hard to say that Lisa was a true failure.

FTA: "comes across as the homecoming queen with severe bipolar disorder - desirable for its beauty, but full of inner darkness"

Regardless of what you might be describing, this phrase is awesome.

FWIW, Apple TV 2 owner here.

Apple TV one I see as a niche product and was their first stab at the idea. Wasn't bad, but certainly didn't have mass market appeal. The fact that it was pretty expensive as well didn't help.

Apple TV 2 was an improvement in most respects. Considerably cheaper, very small, etc etc. However it still didn't have a lot of functionality. I had it relegated as a slightly more expensive Roku for Netflix than anything else.

However, with iOS 5 being released and Airplay expanding it's functionality, I realized the Apple TV 2 was more than the sum of its parts. Most applications now include support for Airplay so you can stream almost anything to the Apple TV 2. And if you have an iPad 2 with iOS 5, you can mirror the whole display so you can stream everything. That opens up a lot of support for apps, games, videos, music, etc. Very cool new feature.

So with that said, the Apple TV 2 as a stand alone device is pretty hum-drum and can be bought for cheaper (certain Roku's are now $50, in fact) (new window). If, however, you are already invested in the iOS ecosystem the Apple TV 2 is a nice addition.

Thrakkerzog: Doc Daneeka: The iSight wasn't an awful product.

This. Plus, it was firewire so you could use it without chewing up your USB bandwidth.

/never had one

Was disappointed when Apple started moving away from Firewire.

The first iPods, IIRC, were Firewire-only. The you had the choice of using either Firewire or USB connectors. Now, it's only USB.

iMovie Pro was a pretty big disaster...

WTF? That list is fail:

1. 10.0 Cheetah

It's Unix. And a Mac. It runs Mac OS 9 programs and runs vi. What the hell is the problem with that? Sure, it got a lot better, but you have to start somewhere.

The iSight

A good-quality webcam in 2003 that cost 50% more than a good-quality webcam today. The problem is what, exactly?

The Apple TV

You could rip/torrent movies, your photos, and all your music and play it out of a little box. That's old hat today, but there weren't a lot of convincing alternatives when Apple TV 1.0 came out.

The First Power Mac G4s

Motorola couldn't build processors fast enough, so they lowered performance without cutting the price. Has the author ever bought gasoline?

The Apple Display Connector

An all-in-one cable rather than a bunch of cables. And cheap ADC to VGA adapters were available. Was the author sad that he didn't get to wire more cables?

The Lisa

A GUI computer which costs twice the price of a contemporary MS-DOS PC. Okay, not everyone was going to buy it, but it's still a sweet milestone in computing history (following after Xerox's sweet milestones).

/ And a couple of real failures

Thrakkerzog: Doc Daneeka: The iSight wasn't an awful product.

This. Plus, it was firewire so you could use it without chewing up your USB bandwidth.

/never had one

Well, Three Yaks And a Dog, it wasn't a bad camera. Wasn't the best I've used, but it was far from the worst.

A challenger appears: Oh look, another Steve Jobs article. Let's see if it says anything that hasn't been said a thousand times since last week.

Are you so butthurt that you can't just ignore a dozen link about something you don't care about? Seriously dude, go buy some Preparation-H or see a doctor already.

HulkHands: And yes, if you lower the power of a computer by over 10%, you should lower the price. I don't care what your excuse is.

Supply and demand, how does it farking work?

Getting some mileage out of this one. Thanks /g/entlemen.

I'm surprised by the Objective-C hate. Sure, it's got its quirks, but it's a godsend compared to the abomination that is C++.

Apple /// feels left out.

/agrees with jvl that fail list is fail.

This list fails. The Jobs Cult of Personality has assured me most vociferously while taking dumps in planters as they protest corporate fat-cats that Apple has never released a bad product. All praise His Holy Name!

Summary:

It's great now, but it sucked back then.

Yeah, that's generally how evolution works.

/Except ADC. That sucked.

rudemix: This list fails. The Jobs Cult of Personality has assured me most vociferously while taking dumps in planters as they protest corporate fat-cats that Apple has never released a bad product. All praise His Holy Name!

So are you the same person with different alts posting this repeatedly, or a single person copying other peoples posts?

MightyPez: rudemix: This list fails. The Jobs Cult of Personality has assured me most vociferously while taking dumps in planters as they protest corporate fat-cats that Apple has never released a bad product. All praise His Holy Name!

So are you the same person with different alts posting this repeatedly, or a single person copying other peoples posts?

Show me where this has been posted before. I'm neither or your suggestions, though I am mildly curious now.

rudemix: MightyPez: rudemix: This list fails. The Jobs Cult of Personality has assured me most vociferously while taking dumps in planters as they protest corporate fat-cats that Apple has never released a bad product. All praise His Holy Name!

So are you the same person with different alts posting this repeatedly, or a single person copying other peoples posts?

Show me where this has been posted before. I'm neither or your suggestions, though I am mildly curious now.

Not word for word, just the same unoriginal joke that appears in every Apple thread.

HeartBurnKid: I'm sorry, this can't be right. I was specifically told everything Apple does is magical and just works, unlike the entire rest of the computer and CE industry which all makes buggy, unusable crap you have to tweak for hours to make slightly less unusable.

The third time this year a list like this was published. Sad really.

jvl: You could rip/torrent movies, your photos, and all your music and play it out of a little box. That's old hat today, but there weren't a lot of convincing alternatives when Apple TV 1.0 came out.

I remember when the first Apple TV came out and it had one thing about it that made it a no brainer not to buy and made it most definitely an Apple product at the same time: lack of composite out. It also (officially) did not support 480i. This was before everyone had an HDTV, and if you had one, you had ONE. Devices like this (or video game systems for example) are great because they can be picked up and plugged into this TV or that TV. Without composite out this was not really beneficial, plus it was (IIRC) tied to iTunes, which sucked then.

I wanted to bring up the Macintosh TV (not Apple TV), but apparently that happened during Spindler's or Sculley's watch.

It's a computer that's also a TV! Can I watch TV on the computer? Nope, the CRT does one or the other. Then why is it in a computer? You can take screen grabs as PICTs, isn't that wild!?

I'd also consider the toilet lid iBook G3 a disaster, but that's more a matter of personal taste and them having the worst keyboards ever.

Doc Daneeka: The iSight wasn't an awful product.

It was just over-priced and made obsolete quickly as Apple starting building cameras into all most of its computers and devices.

Except for Mac minis and Power Mac Pros and the Displays they love. Plus at the time, there was still a lot of equipment out there that didn't have a built-in iSight, so when Apple killed the standalone off, there was a lot of consternation, especially because it was a PITA to find a decent cam with Mac support.

kanedasan: SultanofSchwing: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x348]

not on the list?

Newton rocked!

/I still have two, too bad the batteries are long dead

one of the nice things about my Newton MP 2000... it takes AA's.


btw... the problem with the original G4's was despite the ad blitz claims... you couldn't get a G4 with Altivec for like...6 months after first rev. which meant if you were an early adopter (or like me had someone higher up the food chain who was more interested in being trendy that using his goddam brain) you ended up with an overpriced G4 that wasn't really any better performance than a G3 desktop.


speaking of other Apple debacles... trying to recall if the IIGS was out before or after Jobs left?

also on a proper list... the G3 AIO Artemis...amazingly high failure rate... exploding capacitors...always fun.

Victoly: Doc Daneeka: The iSight wasn't an awful product.

It was just over-priced and made obsolete quickly as Apple starting building cameras into all most of its computers and devices.

Except for Mac minis and Power Mac Pros and the Displays they love. Plus at the time, there was still a lot of equipment out there that didn't have a built-in iSight, so when Apple killed the standalone off, there was a lot of consternation, especially because it was a PITA to find a decent cam with Mac support.

yeah...you could pretty much write off SKYPE.

jvl: A challenger appears: Oh look, another Steve Jobs article. Let's see if it says anything that hasn't been said a thousand times since last week.

Are you so butthurt that you can't just ignore a dozen link about something you don't care about? Seriously dude, go buy some Preparation-H or see a doctor already.

Is this the part where I ask you why you're butthurt over my butthurt? Cry louder, maybe Steve Jobs will hear you.

AppleTV 1 will run linux and makes a pretty nice XBMC box. Will do 1080p if you get a CrystalHD card.
AppleTV 2 runs iOS and also makes a nice little XBMC.

The iSight made a pretty decent camera when it came out. 640x480 @ 30 fps.

And the Cube lives, it's called the Mini. It was just way too early and small laptop components just weren't up to the task (way too hot, slow, etc).

I wish I could find the article/quote on Objective-C and how it cut development time for NeXT (and then OS X) by an order of magnitude.

"Also misleading is that while people would like an Apple-branded TV, this device also required you to get a TV."

I read this as "white" people four times. It was a lot more interesting and a lot less grammatically correct.

divx88: They forgot objective c. That language alone undoes any and all "good" that Jobs has ever done. There's nothing objective about it. A better name would be I'm-over-hormonal-ovulating-baby-crazy-and-completely-irrational c because that's a better descriptor of it. It's pure evil unleashed on any poor unsuspecting developer.

A bad programmer blames his tools.

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not on the list?

I think that was on Sculley's watch.