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2011-10-13 10:03:39 AM
Reminds me of Fallout 3.
 
2011-10-13 10:04:06 AM
Most boring insta-green evar
 
2011-10-13 10:04:43 AM
Eh, those were probably buried there when Clinton was elected. Democrats are elected, gun nuts freak out, gun prices soar, caches are buried, gun control doesn't happen, gun prices crash, caches are forgotten, the cycle repeats.

popshifter.com
 
2011-10-13 10:04:48 AM
This article is lame.

-1 for Obama reference.
 
2011-10-13 10:05:56 AM
If you buried your guns in a PVC pipe near I-66 when Obama took office, you probably should have picked a better spot you are a guillable moron.
 
2011-10-13 10:06:25 AM
pffft no underground survival bunker?
 
2011-10-13 10:07:03 AM
I'd like to know exactly where that little cache was found, but that is verrrry interesting. There are a lot of fairly high value targets for a terrorist or malcontent in that general area, but it could have been in a residential area....... or it could have been near the Pentagon, a military fort or a building which houses spooks, etc., all depending on the specifics.
 
2011-10-13 10:07:10 AM
I'm surprised more gun nuts don't die of dehydration. It's hard to replace all the fluids they lose wetting themselves over people taking their guns away.
 
2011-10-13 10:08:43 AM
Wolverines!!!
 
2011-10-13 10:09:49 AM
Gun, weapons parts found buried in Arlington
By Clarence Williams



cdmtribune.s3.amazonaws.com
On the case.
 
2011-10-13 10:10:03 AM
Guns are heavy, it's all about the bottlecaps and ammo.
 
2011-10-13 10:10:33 AM

Wellon Dowd: I'm surprised more gun nuts don't die of dehydration. It's hard to replace all the fluids they lose wetting themselves over people taking their guns away.


no one has "taken guns away" since the brady bill sunset, and even that didnt really "take away guns"
 
2011-10-13 10:11:08 AM

mongbiohazard: I'd like to know exactly where that little cache was found, but that is verrrry interesting. There are a lot of fairly high value targets for a terrorist or malcontent in that general area, but it could have been in a residential area....... or it could have been near the Pentagon, a military fort or a building which houses spooks, etc., all depending on the specifics.


I think you're drawing the wrong conclusion. High military presence makes it more likely the cache was buried BY some PTSD vet, not that the military was a target. If you're planning to use a gun, you generally don't bury it in the ground.

The gunnery officer on my destroyer in the '80s deserted with a .45 and a grenade launcher. After they caught him, they found the weapons in a cache he buried in Atlanta.

/CSB
 
2011-10-13 10:12:06 AM
How can we tie this to Iran?
 
2011-10-13 10:16:50 AM
I guess I'm the only one who sees this for what it is: Ditched murder weapon.
 
2011-10-13 10:19:48 AM

mbillips: Eh, those were probably buried there when Clinton was elected. Democrats are elected, gun nuts freak out, gun prices soar, caches are buried, gun control doesn't happen, gun prices crash, caches are forgotten, the cycle repeats.

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Hell, you can buy the PVC tubes cut for this at gunshows all the time in my area. The idea is that you take a cheap military surplus rifle, grease it up, and then bury it in a water tight tube with a couple hundred rounds of ammo. You could buy everything for as little as $100. The survivalist nutjobs will bury several caches along "bug out" routes that they have planned ahead of time. When they dug this one up, I'm surprised they didn't find some food and other basic survival gear. I'm sure there's thousands of these buried nation wide.

Me, I draw the line at keeping extra canned goods and water in the basement. I figure more than a weeks worth of food and water is overkill in reality.

/in an Alien invasion, zombie apocalypse, or sudden Madmax style societal breakdown, I'm screwed
//plenty of guns and ammo to go out with a bang though
 
2011-10-13 10:27:58 AM
Yeah, so they do lots of construction(ie digging) near highways, dumbass

/I'd ask where all these crazy people come from, but I've worked retail and I think I've met most of them
 
2011-10-13 10:30:43 AM
I can't help but get the feeling that someone is going to get assassinated soon
/maybe I should quit turning on AM talk radio during my commute
 
2011-10-13 10:36:04 AM
Mostly unrelated, but:

Would PVC work for a time capsule? Does it have to be schedule 80?
 
2011-10-13 10:36:23 AM

cbackous: Wellon Dowd: I'm surprised more gun nuts don't die of dehydration. It's hard to replace all the fluids they lose wetting themselves over people taking their guns away.

no one has "taken guns away" since the brady bill sunset, and even that didnt really "take away guns"


Didn't really, just made it very hard for those of lower income to buy...hey, maybe that was the idea in the first place.

/...looks at Chicago suspiciously.
 
2011-10-13 10:37:46 AM

BigBooper:

/in an Alien invasion, zombie apocalypse, or sudden Madmax style societal breakdown, I'm screwed
//plenty of guns and ammo to go out with a bang though


I have a two-part plan for the apocalypse.

1) Die, like 99 percent of everyone will, because without the petroleum-based food production and distribution system, we'll all starve.
2) If by some chance I manage not to die, I'm going to be making friends like a bastid, using my wit, charm and helpful personality/skillz. Lone antisocial gun nuts are easy pickin's for organized groups of regular folk, and I have enough guns/ammo to poorly arm a smallish platoon.
 
2011-10-13 10:41:14 AM

Honest Bender: I guess I'm the only one who sees this for what it is: Ditched murder weapon.


You don't seal a gun into an airtight/watertight container if you're ditching it.
 
2011-10-13 10:41:46 AM
Bury me with my guns on
So when I reach the other side
I can show him what it feels like to die

Bury me with my guns on
So when I'm cast out of the sky
I can shoot the devil right between the eyes
 
2011-10-13 10:43:01 AM

Leeds: Does it have to be schedule 80?


Nope, 40S
 
2011-10-13 10:49:26 AM

Leeds: Mostly unrelated, but:

Would PVC work for a time capsule? Does it have to be schedule 80?


PVC is cheap, heat resistant, cold resistant, highly resistant to most acids and bases, is very strong(although if you're going to bury it a higher wall thickness isn't a bad idea) and it biodegrades at a rate that basically guarantees it will outlast western civilization. The only real problem is that it doesn't like UV but if you're burying a time capsule then no worries.

/to answer your questions: Yes. No(although it wouldn't be a bad idea)
 
2011-10-13 10:50:29 AM

Voiceofreason01: Honest Bender: I guess I'm the only one who sees this for what it is: Ditched murder weapon.

You don't seal a gun into an airtight/watertight container if you're ditching it.


They said it was in a pipe, though, not necessarily a cache. It's possible the PVC pipe was just a sewer line, and the "gun and parts" were a busted-up murder weapon. Just sayin'; the article is pretty unclear.

Of course, everyone knows you break the gun up and dump it down a bunch of separate tenement chimney flues.
 
2011-10-13 10:51:05 AM

Burr: Bury me with my guns on
So when I reach the other side
I can show him what it feels like to die

Bury me with my guns on
So when I'm cast out of the sky
I can shoot the devil right between the eyes


Ahhhhhhhhh.. Boba... live about 40/45 minutes from here. Great tunes
 
2011-10-13 10:51:56 AM

Voiceofreason01: Honest Bender: I guess I'm the only one who sees this for what it is: Ditched murder weapon.

You don't seal a gun into an airtight/watertight container if you're ditching it.


This. You'd want to do the opposite: Expose it to conditions that would make it impossible for it to match any ballistics evidence they might have, and to help remove any fingerprints. Essentially, you'd want regular steel, not stainless, and you'd degrease it before use, except those parts that need lube to function correctly, and you'd want to bury it in moist ground with a bunch of salt to encourage rust. Or just drop it in some deep saltwater.
 
2011-10-13 10:54:11 AM

TheMega: Ahhhhhhhhh.. Boba... live about 40/45 minutes from here. Great tunes


Haven't got to see them in concert yet, but I would love to when they are around again and I have the time
 
2011-10-13 10:55:23 AM

mbillips: They said it was in a pipe, though, not necessarily a cache. It's possible the PVC pipe was just a sewer line, and the "gun and parts" were a busted-up murder weapon. Just sayin'; the article is pretty unclear.


which is an excellent point that I hadn't considered but it precludes the "gun nut" theory which is more fun
 
2011-10-13 10:56:29 AM

dittybopper: Voiceofreason01: Honest Bender: I guess I'm the only one who sees this for what it is: Ditched murder weapon.

You don't seal a gun into an airtight/watertight container if you're ditching it.

This. You'd want to do the opposite: Expose it to conditions that would make it impossible for it to match any ballistics evidence they might have, and to help remove any fingerprints. Essentially, you'd want regular steel, not stainless, and you'd degrease it before use, except those parts that need lube to function correctly, and you'd want to bury it in moist ground with a bunch of salt to encourage rust. Or just drop it in some deep saltwater.


Ah, you're overthinking it. Run a chainsaw file down the barrel a few times to screw up the rifling. Smack the back of the firing chamber with a hammer to dent it up. Then break the whole thing so they can't fire a round from it. Tada, no ballistics evidence.

Or you could just use a shotgun and make sure you dispose of the empties.
 
2011-10-13 11:03:35 AM

kokomo61: Gun, weapons parts found buried in Arlington
By Clarence Williams


[cdmtribune.s3.amazonaws.com image 135x180]
On the case.


Solid, man.
 
2011-10-13 11:09:00 AM

mbillips: dittybopper: Voiceofreason01: Honest Bender: I guess I'm the only one who sees this for what it is: Ditched murder weapon.

You don't seal a gun into an airtight/watertight container if you're ditching it.

This. You'd want to do the opposite: Expose it to conditions that would make it impossible for it to match any ballistics evidence they might have, and to help remove any fingerprints. Essentially, you'd want regular steel, not stainless, and you'd degrease it before use, except those parts that need lube to function correctly, and you'd want to bury it in moist ground with a bunch of salt to encourage rust. Or just drop it in some deep saltwater.

Ah, you're overthinking it. Run a chainsaw file down the barrel a few times to screw up the rifling. Smack the back of the firing chamber with a hammer to dent it up. Then break the whole thing so they can't fire a round from it. Tada, no ballistics evidence.

Or you could just use a shotgun and make sure you dispose of the empties.


Even better: Use a revolver loaded with black powder*, preferably 2F, and dead soft lead bullets. Fire a few fouling shots ahead of time. Don't use wads, and don't clean the gun. If you are really paranoid, use corrosive primers or percussion caps.

Because of the build-up of fouling, and the soft nature of the projectile, each bullet fired will have the same gross rifling characteristics, but all the minor imperfections that usually are used to match a fired bullet to a gun will be largely masked by the fouling from previous shots engraving the bullet. At best, they will be able to say what make and model the gun is, based upon the gross rifling characteristics, but they won't be able to match a particular bullet to that gun, or indeed match bullets as coming from the same gun.

I discovered this interesting little property because of a snowbank: Fired a bunch of black powder loads with dead soft lead bullets into a target leaning up against a snowbank. When the snowbank melted, there were the bullets, in near-pristine condition, and even with the naked eye you could see that the fouling changed the marks on the bullets from shot to shot.

*Real BP, not a substitute like Pyrodex or TripleSeven.
 
2011-10-13 11:13:45 AM

mbillips: Eh, those were probably buried there when Clinton was elected. Democrats are elected, gun nuts freak out, gun prices soar, caches are buried, gun control doesn't happen, gun prices crash, caches are forgotten, the cycle repeats.


God dammit this!

Look you farking idiots, despite what the assholes at the NRA and your repeated viewings of Red Dawn tells you, they ARE NOT coming for your stupid guns.

Protip: Look up the term useful idiot, it's probably got a picture of you next to the definition.
 
2011-10-13 11:16:24 AM

dittybopper: mbillips: dittybopper: Voiceofreason01: Honest Bender: I guess I'm the only one who sees this for what it is: Ditched murder weapon.

You don't seal a gun into an airtight/watertight container if you're ditching it.

This. You'd want to do the opposite: Expose it to conditions that would make it impossible for it to match any ballistics evidence they might have, and to help remove any fingerprints. Essentially, you'd want regular steel, not stainless, and you'd degrease it before use, except those parts that need lube to function correctly, and you'd want to bury it in moist ground with a bunch of salt to encourage rust. Or just drop it in some deep saltwater.

Ah, you're overthinking it. Run a chainsaw file down the barrel a few times to screw up the rifling. Smack the back of the firing chamber with a hammer to dent it up. Then break the whole thing so they can't fire a round from it. Tada, no ballistics evidence.

Or you could just use a shotgun and make sure you dispose of the empties.

Even better: Use a revolver loaded with black powder*, preferably 2F, and dead soft lead bullets. Fire a few fouling shots ahead of time. Don't use wads, and don't clean the gun. If you are really paranoid, use corrosive primers or percussion caps.

Because of the build-up of fouling, and the soft nature of the projectile, each bullet fired will have the same gross rifling characteristics, but all the minor imperfections that usually are used to match a fired bullet to a gun will be largely masked by the fouling from previous shots engraving the bullet. At best, they will be able to say what make and model the gun is, based upon the gross rifling characteristics, but they won't be able to match a particular bullet to that gun, or indeed match bullets as coming from the same gun.

I discovered this interesting little property because of a snowbank: Fired a bunch of black powder loads with dead soft lead bullets into a target leaning up against a snowbank. When the snowbank melted, there were the bullets, in near-pristine condition, and even with the naked eye you could see that the fouling changed the marks on the bullets from shot to shot.

*Real BP, not a substitute like Pyrodex or TripleSeven.


or you could do what most thugs who kill someone do: use stolen gun, throw in local lake/river after.
 
2011-10-13 11:19:22 AM

Bag of Hammers: Look you farking idiots, despite what the assholes at the NRA and your repeated viewings of Red Dawn tells you, they ARE NOT coming for your stupid guns


That is exactly what they want us to think!

/constant vigilance!
 
2011-10-13 11:20:45 AM

mbillips: dittybopper: Voiceofreason01: Honest Bender: I guess I'm the only one who sees this for what it is: Ditched murder weapon.

You don't seal a gun into an airtight/watertight container if you're ditching it.

This. You'd want to do the opposite: Expose it to conditions that would make it impossible for it to match any ballistics evidence they might have, and to help remove any fingerprints. Essentially, you'd want regular steel, not stainless, and you'd degrease it before use, except those parts that need lube to function correctly, and you'd want to bury it in moist ground with a bunch of salt to encourage rust. Or just drop it in some deep saltwater.

Ah, you're overthinking it. Run a chainsaw file down the barrel a few times to screw up the rifling. Smack the back of the firing chamber with a hammer to dent it up. Then break the whole thing so they can't fire a round from it. Tada, no ballistics evidence.

Or you could just use a shotgun and make sure you dispose of the empties.


OR, buy a untraceable gun at a gunshow or out of the local paper with cash, and then just leave the gun at the crime scene. Be sure to wipe the gun AND ammo clean, and wear gloves at all times. Make sure to get rid of the gloves, and the box of ammo you used in the gun.

That way the gun can't be traced to you, the ammo can't be traced to you, and you leave no finger prints. Of course there's still lots of ways they can get you, which is why it's smarter not to commit the crime in the first place.

/number one reason some one gets caught? they brag about it.
 
2011-10-13 11:24:03 AM

Voiceofreason01: or you could do what most thugs who kill someone do: use stolen gun, throw in local lake/river after.


WOW, way too many Farkers have thought about this way too hard.
 
2011-10-13 11:26:23 AM

UNC_Samurai: Guns are heavy, it's all about the bottlecaps and ammo.


Eh, why bother with all that ammo. Unarmed is the lightest and most efficient way to die to a deathclaw.
 
2011-10-13 11:27:01 AM

BigBooper: /number one reason some one gets caught? they brag about it.


The only times I've ever gotten caught were the times I went commando.

/Switched to buttonflies after the first few times.
 
2011-10-13 11:35:13 AM

Famous Thamas: Eh, why bother with all that ammo. Unarmed is the lightest and most efficient way to die to a deathclaw


Which can be debilitated by a single poison dart to the leg

/sneak+guns+anti-material rifle also helps
 
2011-10-13 11:36:15 AM

Voiceofreason01: Honest Bender: I guess I'm the only one who sees this for what it is: Ditched murder weapon.

You don't seal a gun into an airtight/watertight container if you're ditching it.


True. Who says it was sealed in an airtight/watertight container?
 
2011-10-13 11:37:32 AM

dittybopper: BigBooper: /number one reason some one gets caught? they brag about it.

The only times I've ever gotten caught were the times I went commando.

/Switched to buttonflies after the first few times.


OK, that made me cringe

Worst pain I've ever felt though was being frozen to a zipper. Pro Tip: don't rip it off. find a source of warm water quickly
 
2011-10-13 11:42:01 AM

BigBooper: The idea is that you take a cheap military surplus rifle...


As near as I can tell, ain't no such thing.
 
2011-10-13 11:54:52 AM

Bag of Hammers: mbillips: Eh, those were probably buried there when Clinton was elected. Democrats are elected, gun nuts freak out, gun prices soar, caches are buried, gun control doesn't happen, gun prices crash, caches are forgotten, the cycle repeats.

God dammit this!

Look you farking idiots, despite what the assholes at the NRA and your repeated viewings of Red Dawn tells you, they ARE NOT coming for your stupid guns.

Protip: Look up the term useful idiot, it's probably got a picture of you next to the definition.


Clinton banned 'assault weapons'. Gun prices soared not because of paranoia, but because of no more new supply. That ban expired in 2004.

Obama and many democrats stated they want to re-ban 'assault weapons', and add all sorts of other new restrictions. If they knew it wasn't political suicide, we'd have had a ton of new gun laws after the Gabrielle Giffords incident.
 
2011-10-13 11:57:25 AM

UtileDysfunktion: BigBooper: The idea is that you take a cheap military surplus rifle...

As near as I can tell, ain't no such thing.


Here you go, Link (new window) $79.95 Get one with a good bore and they can be very accurate. Ammo is also cheap, and if stored right, should last at least another 50 years.
 
2011-10-13 11:58:20 AM

UtileDysfunktion: BigBooper: The idea is that you take a cheap military surplus rifle...

As near as I can tell, ain't no such thing.


You can still buy a decent Russian Mosin-Nagant for around $100.
 
2011-10-13 12:03:23 PM

Bag of Hammers: mbillips: Eh, those were probably buried there when Clinton was elected. Democrats are elected, gun nuts freak out, gun prices soar, caches are buried, gun control doesn't happen, gun prices crash, caches are forgotten, the cycle repeats.

God dammit this!

Look you farking idiots, despite what the assholes at the NRA and your repeated viewings of Red Dawn tells you, they ARE NOT coming for your stupid guns.

Protip: Look up the term useful idiot, it's probably got a picture of you next to the definition.


It works like this: there will always be some people who want tougher gun laws. Over the years, these laws pass, and slowly it becomes more expensive to remain compliant. This reduces the community as less people can afford to participate. With a smaller community, it is harder to resist future encroachment and the cycle continued.

Where it gets bad us when the community falls to a size where manufacturers find it to be cost effective to no longer cater to the community. Some may cut off individual sales alltogether. This reduces competition, drives up prices, and erodes the community.

The erosion of the community is what a lot of the organizations fear, and if they didn't work to prevent that, they wouldn't be doing their jobs.

The declining number of hunters should worry environmental conservationalists as well. Much of the green space in the Eastern US is kept by the revenueg enerated by hunters and the licensing.

It's not really a left vs right issue even though the media and parties want to define it thus.

But if you wanted to pass more gun legislation, the first thing you have to do is demobilize the people who would vote against you. And that's true for any issue. Demotivate your opponents, because a vote not cast against you is the same as a vote cast for you.
 
2011-10-13 12:04:03 PM

BigBooper:
Here you go, Link (new window) $79.95 Get one with a good bore and they can be very accurate. Ammo is also cheap, and if stored right, should last at least another 50 years.



I stand corrected.
 
2011-10-13 12:07:16 PM

BigBooper: UtileDysfunktion: BigBooper: The idea is that you take a cheap military surplus rifle...

As near as I can tell, ain't no such thing.

Here you go, Link (new window) $79.95 Get one with a good bore and they can be very accurate. Ammo is also cheap, and if stored right, should last at least another 50 years.


If you really, really, *REALLY* think society is going to go down the shiatter permanently, get a good flintlock. You can mold your own bullets, knap flints from any glass-like material that is thick enough, and black powder can be made from scratch if necessary.

Get a modern gun with plenty of ammo too, but don't expect that ammo to last forever.
 
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