Im sorry but I agree with him. Here in the Bronx we are seeing escalating violence, more shootings, more stabbings, more rape, and more violence in things like muggings. "I gave him my wallet and still got beaten" The undercurrent of hopelessness and anger is getting much stronger than I have seen since the late 70s. And yup politicians are going to use it for power grabs till it gose BOOM. (we are talking about getting a shotgun and in 30 years its the first time I have thought it might be a good idea and I have worked all over the city)

I prefer to be fear mongered with imaginary things, like Sharia Law. The real things the Democrats keep bringing up really bum me out.

Old and busted: You gonna get blowed up.
New hotness: You gonna get raped.

Diogenes: I prefer to be fear mongered with imaginary things, like Sharia Law. The real things the Democrats keep bringing up really bum me out.

But Rush tells me president fartypants is a secret mooslem turrist. Vote for REPUBLICAN MAN^TM or you will blown up by his mooslem kenyan jackbooted tax collecting liburle thugs.

Less cops.
More people out of work.
More crime.

So how is Biden wrong?

Thank God we have Obama+Co. so we no longer have to endure the "Politics of Fear"...

That's actually true. If the jobs bill was passed, more people would be at work, and unemployment rates correlate to crime rates.

Not passing the Jobs bill will cause more rapes and murders. It's a statistical fact.

Tell it to the democrats that are sitting on the bill

AdolfOliverPanties: Less cops.
More people out of work.
More crime.

So how is Biden wrong?

According to the Teabaggers, there is more crime because the rich are paying too much in taxes. If we make the rich richer, everyone will have jobs and crime will cease to exist.

I think what he was saying was that if the jobs bill doesn't pass he's going to release Glen Beck. As we all know, free-range Glen Beck rapes and murders women.

elchip: EnviroDude: Tell it to the democrats that are sitting on the bill

You mean the Democrats who just held a vote on it yesterday? Or the 2 Democrats who voted "no" on it?

The vote was yesterday? WTF!!! we were told that this needed to pass weeks ago. How dare an elitist democrat like Harry Reid delay the vote on such an important bill?

If only 2 dems voted against it, then it passed?

Um, I heard the clip, and he provided statistics to back up his point. Now I'll freely admit there may be a correlation =/= causation argument to be made, and Subby is free to cite his own facts to contradict Biden's point.

Or you can just keep lying about what Biden said. That's probably easier.

muck4doo: elchip: muck4doo: Myth: Cops prevent crimes.

Reality: They respond to them after they are reported.

Yeah, and if there are more cops to respond to crimes, there's an increased chance that they'll catch the perpetrator and prevent them from committing more crimes.

So you agree, but just think if there are more street cops they will magically solve crimes quicker? Interesting.

Increased presence of cops means increased visibility. Increased visibility means less crime. Criminals are less likely to act in a criminal manner if they have see a black and white in the neighborhood.

Will this prevent all crime? Of course not. Does it make the numbers go down? Yes, which is what Biden was saying.

So, you know, don't be such an obtuse twat.

muck4doo: /Glad you agreed though that cops don't actually prevent crimes, but respond to them.

Cops walking a beat prevent crimes. Cops having the resources to make arrests prevents crime.

I know what you were trying to say, but what you actually said is silly.

muck4doo: Myth: Cops prevent crimes.

Reality: They respond to them after they are reported.

Or not. Tough to say actually.

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Even if police could not stop any crime in progress, they do investigate and apprehend criminals, getting them off the street, preventing any future crime they may commit (criminals tend to be repeat performers).

elchip: EnviroDude: If only 2 dems voted against it, then it passed?

Of course not. There was a filibuster.

A filibuster filibuster? Or the threat of a filibuster. Why did 2 democrats vote to sustain a filibuster? Why did Reid take so long?

muck4doo: Well then. We should have a cop on every corner. No more crime ever.

Oh, so you were trying to be silly, and you don't have a point.

My mistake.

muck4doo: gilgigamesh: muck4doo: Well then. We should have a cop on every corner. No more crime ever.

Oh, so you were trying to be silly, and you don't have a point.

My mistake.

So was Biden.

I thought I suggested you STOP being such an obtuse twat.

muck4doo: Well then. We should have a cop on every corner. No more crime ever.

Who said to do that?

GAT_00: That's actually true. If the jobs bill was passed, more people would be at work, and unemployment rates correlate to crime rates.

Not passing the Jobs bill will cause more rapes and murders. It's a statistical fact.

Come on. You cannot be that high.

The assumption that the Jobs Bill will create jobs is ridiculous enough, but then to go on and link the passage of some legislation to a decrease in rape and murder - that's just crack whore high.

Meanwhile, back at "Obama-Biden '12" campaign headquarters, prospective campaign workers are interviewed...

I love the trolls on here, they're so cute. Republican's filibuster a jobs bill in the senate, and refuse to put it up for a vote in the House and the troll's scream its somehow the Democrats fault.

So, this is good news for Glenn Beck?

AdolfOliverPanties: Increased presence of cops means increased visibility. Increased visibility means less crime. Criminals are less likely to act in a criminal manner if they have see a black and white in the neighborhood.

These guys will reduce crime?


Didn't they like, destroy their own planet or something?

ShawnDoc: I love the trolls on here, they're so cute. Republican's filibuster a jobs bill in the senate, and refuse to put it up for a vote in the House and the troll's scream its somehow the Democrats fault.

Wow. You really don't know what's going on at all, do you? Try reading some news.

I carry a gun because cops are too heavy. Never been assaulted, robbed, raped - and I've never had to draw my weapon. Welcome to Virginia.

The relationship between violent crime and unemployment, at the margin, is quite well known. There have been very powerful forces that have downtrended violent crime in recent years, but the relationship at the margin almost certainly remains intact.

Translation: He's right, wingnuts.

What Joe didn't tell you is that he will carrying out most of them himself.

Where Biden farked up here is that he isn't a straight shootin', brush clearin', salt-of-the-earth Republican who believes in freedom, low taxes and Real America^TM

Eh, crime, including violent crime, has been decreasing for most of the last twenty years. The school of criminological thought that opines that crime is bound to increase when there's an economic downturn has, this time, been largely incorrect. As to why this is so, there are competing (or perhaps complimentary) explanations. Yes, to a limited extent more cops = less crime, but the relationship isn't really very strong. There's another argument that suggests that social stressors which influence crime (like unemployment and poverty) tend not to be as crimogenic when there's a sense of shared deprivation (everyone's in the same shiatty situation together). Interestingly, the same argument would suggest that as the deprived gain a sense of their deprivation relative to privileged others, that itself will engender crime (getting "my share" of the pie, or giving "the greedy" what they deserve). If so, then the OWS protests should theoretically (temporarily, if all goes well) increase crime by raising public consciousness as to exactly how screwed we're getting at the expense of the rich. This will resolve itself with financial reform and a fairer taxation/benefits model. One would assume that single-payer medical care would also decrease crime (provided that it includes substance abuse treatment), given that every Western democracy in the world with single-payer has a lower overall rape/murder rate than the US.

Or it could be that more people are legally carrying guns. There's evidence that helps as well. See, I'm not totally lefty-left.

dahmers love zombie: There's evidence that helps as well.

*citation needed*

Muckadoo, did you actually read and understand what I wrote?