phlegmmo: metals?

That's what they give you in the Core.

basemetal: Metals are overrated.

That is no way to treat a friend and an alloy such as this.

Sgt Otter: Relatively Obscure: He even enlisted the help of then-U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter to have the Silver Star upgraded to a U.S. Congressional Medal of Honor.

What could possibly go wrong with this plan?

You'd think someone would wonder why he's skipping over the Distinguished Service Cross.

Medal of Honor recipients fly for free.. for life. Who cares about the stupid Distinguished Service Cross compared to that..?

Lying can improve sales? Say it isn't so.

There's no reason to lie about being in the service, either you were in or were not. In reality there are so few MOH, Silver Star, Service Cross winners that if you ever dare to claim to have one, then you bet your ass some real vet will surely find out.

/0352 TOW gunner, lets see if anyone's job sucked worse then mine

Twist: He raised more money for veteran services as a fake hero than he did as a real veteran


Why is that a twist? Seems logical that a [perceived] hero would be a better draw.

jso2897: CrotchBeard: phlegmmo: metals?

That's what they give you in the Core.

They didn't give me any damn metals when I was a soldier in the Marine Core.

No? I thought everyone wore jackets made of metal in the Core.

In research for my thesis, I recently read a book called Stolen Valor, not the most unbiased author but he proved that this sort of thing actually happens all the goddamn time with every war - his focus is on the appalling number of fake Vietnam vets and real ones who exaggerate their service

Misconduc: There's no reason to lie about being in the service, either you were in or were not. In reality there are so few MOH, Silver Star, Service Cross winners that if you ever dare to claim to have one, then you bet your ass some real vet will surely find out.

/0352 TOW gunner, lets see if anyone's job sucked worse then mine

Casualty Notification Officer.

basemetal: Metals are overrated.

Google "war is a racket" Smedley Butler pdf

/gov gives medals because they're worthless; giving actual money would cost them
//what the f*ck are you gonna do with a medal? nothing

Mightmakesright: In research for my thesis, I recently read a book called Stolen Valor, not the most unbiased author but he proved that this sort of thing actually happens all the goddamn time with every war - his focus is on the appalling number of fake Vietnam vets and real ones who exaggerate their service

Everyone loves to hate on the guy who never served and lied about it. That's understandable. But there doesn't seem to be any agreement on what to do with those who actually *did* show up, but whose stories grow more and more unbelievable each year.

diaphoresis: Misconduc: There's no reason to lie about being in the service, either you were in or were not. In reality there are so few MOH, Silver Star, Service Cross winners that if you ever dare to claim to have one, then you bet your ass some real vet will surely find out.

/0352 TOW gunner, lets see if anyone's job sucked worse then mine

Casualty Notification Officer.

fark you blew me away with 1 shot, I don't see how anyone wants to be a CNO/CAO.

Fark_Guy_Rob: That's understandable. But there doesn't seem to be any agreement on what to do with those who actually *did* show up, but whose stories grow more and more unbelievable each year

I hear them from time to time, I'm not sure if its some kind of ego thing, but it amazes me how someone bringing water to squad suddenly goes to being "while under fire, there I was with a dozen canteens and all, grenades exploding..."

In reality the heroes always die, the lucky few who survive get credit of some sort. I always get nagged on because a few have asked me "ever been deployed" and when I answer they are like "who the fark is this guy?" Those are the ones you worry about telling the "bigger fish" stories.

Mightmakesright: In research for my thesis, I recently read a book called Stolen Valor, not the most unbiased author but he proved that this sort of thing actually happens all the goddamn time with every war - his focus is on the appalling number of fake Vietnam vets and real ones who exaggerate their service

as you go through life you will meet more and more guys who lie out their arse about what they did in the Armed Forces. seems like those with the biggest mouths/stories in reality were doing grunt work. and those that saw and did the horror - they don't wanna farkin talk about it, to the point where you could know the man a long time before even finding out he served.
a few fellows that i knew here or there that finally shared some stories, i wish i never heard them. insanity does not begin to define wartime.

urban.derelict: basemetal: Metals are overrated.

Google "war is a racket" Smedley Butler pdf

/gov gives medals because they're worthless; giving actual money would cost them
//what the f*ck are you gonna do with a medal? nothing

Butler is a stand-out. I discussed him in class and a few former Marines spoke up and mentioned that they never taught what Butler said after he got out of the service.

BTW, the British call these guys "Walts" and there are some hilarious examples:

Link (new window)

basemetal: Metals are overrated.

Speak for yourself.

preciousmetal: basemetal: Metals are overrated.

Speak for yourself.

Good metals are: Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, bay area metallica etc

Misconduc: There's no reason to lie about being in the service, either you were in or were not. In reality there are so few MOH, Silver Star, Service Cross winners that if you ever dare to claim to have one, then you bet your ass some real vet will surely find out.

/0352 TOW gunner, lets see if anyone's job sucked worse then mine

91A Alpha troop 1/3rd ACR Ft Bliss TX 1987-1992.

trotsky: urban.derelict: basemetal: Metals are overrated.

Google "war is a racket" Smedley Butler pdf

/gov gives medals because they're worthless; giving actual money would cost them
//what the f*ck are you gonna do with a medal? nothing

Butler is a stand-out. I discussed him in class and a few former Marines spoke up and mentioned that they never taught what Butler said after he got out of the service.

BTW, the British call these guys "Walts" and there are some hilarious examples:

Link (new window)

Purple Heart gets you a biatchin' license plate and good parking for the rest of your life.

Shaddup: Misconduc: There's no reason to lie about being in the service, either you were in or were not. In reality there are so few MOH, Silver Star, Service Cross winners that if you ever dare to claim to have one, then you bet your ass some real vet will surely find out.

/0352 TOW gunner, lets see if anyone's job sucked worse then mine

91A Alpha troop 1/3rd ACR Ft Bliss TX 1987-1992.

You got to them before I did....with luck you saved more than you lost

Then there were all the Nam Vets in the '70s & '80s all over California complaining about Post-Traumatic Stress who not only never saw combat but some never left the States.

It was good for free beer though once the "leftists" got tired of calling them "baby killers."

KrispyKritter: Mightmakesright: In research for my thesis, I recently read a book called Stolen Valor, not the most unbiased author but he proved that this sort of thing actually happens all the goddamn time with every war - his focus is on the appalling number of fake Vietnam vets and real ones who exaggerate their service

as you go through life you will meet more and more guys who lie out their arse about what they did in the Armed Forces. seems like those with the biggest mouths/stories in reality were doing grunt work. and those that saw and did the horror - they don't wanna farkin talk about it, to the point where you could know the man a long time before even finding out he served.
a few fellows that i knew here or there that finally shared some stories, i ow mywish i never heard them. insanity does not begin to define wartime.

It was a long time before found out how my uncle earned his medal. I didn't really want to hear any more after that.

/he was a tunnel rat in vietnam

For starters, Military Service Records are notorious for being inaccurate. I tend to have more respect for people who actually managed to retire from the military rather than any award they may or may not have been awarded. Trust me when I say that military awards are more politics than anything else. Retired military types gave it all until the could not anymore. These people attended countless award ceremonies, where they were overlooked again and again. They may not even know how integral they were to their unit and the entire branch of military they served. They may have no idea how many lives they saved just because they were the best on a consistent basis.

All I can say about this guy is that...well, at least he served. However, it is one thing to have served and claim you were a Seal, Marine Recon, or Green Beret (this is more common than you know) and it is another to claim you received some of the highest awards that the military can offer. I parlay my opinion to the powers that be.

diaphoresis: Misconduc: There's no reason to lie about being in the service, either you were in or were not. In reality there are so few MOH, Silver Star, Service Cross winners that if you ever dare to claim to have one, then you bet your ass some real vet will surely find out.

/0352 TOW gunner, lets see if anyone's job sucked worse then mine

Casualty Notification Officer.

19D. All the fun of the infantry, plus you get to ride in a claustrophobic steel and aluminum box full of high explosive rounds and diesel.

/actually wasn't that bad.

diaphoresis: Shaddup: Misconduc: There's no reason to lie about being in the service, either you were in or were not. In reality there are so few MOH, Silver Star, Service Cross winners that if you ever dare to claim to have one, then you bet your ass some real vet will surely find out.

/0352 TOW gunner, lets see if anyone's job sucked worse then mine

91A Alpha troop 1/3rd ACR Ft Bliss TX 1987-1992.

You got to them before I did....with luck you saved more than you lost

3rd ACR also?

Crosshair: Misconduc: /0352 TOW gunner, lets see if anyone's job sucked worse then mine

How can getting to play with rockets and high explosives suck?

Pretend you are firing a TOW from a Humvee, imagine Tow coming 2-3 feet out of the tube then drops to the ground with a motor rocket malfunction, now brown your pants like I did - seriously while you are running away.

Both times were with live warheads not practice dummies, neither wen't off but still you never hear about the guy who was just on the training range and have his legs blown off.

trotsky: Link (new window)

thanks I will check it out.

/could not read more than the first few pages of "War is a Racket"
//even though it is an exceedingly short pdf, something like 18 pages

nativefloridian: KrispyKritter: Mightmakesright: In research for my thesis, I recently read a book called Stolen Valor, not the most unbiased author but he proved that this sort of thing actually happens all the goddamn time with every war - his focus is on the appalling number of fake Vietnam vets and real ones who exaggerate their service

as you go through life you will meet more and more guys who lie out their arse about what they did in the Armed Forces. seems like those with the biggest mouths/stories in reality were doing grunt work. and those that saw and did the horror - they don't wanna farkin talk about it, to the point where you could know the man a long time before even finding out he served.
a few fellows that i knew here or there that finally shared some stories, i ow mywish i never heard them. insanity does not begin to define wartime.

It was a long time before found out how my uncle earned his medal. I didn't really want to hear any more after that.

/he was a tunnel rat in vietnam

Yep. My Uncle-in-law never told his family anything that he went through in Nam. Once I married into the family and he found out that I was a veteran and he got to know me he shared all his stories with me. He had pictures of dead Vietnamese that he snuck home with him that he showed me. He volunteered for the Marines.

Also my Sgt. Major in the Cav was about 5'4" and 110lbs. Craziest bastard I ever met. He was a tunnel rat.

Getting new decorations is all great fun until the wife whines at you until you agree to take her to the annual service ball and you have to get your medals remounted. I guess that's why they give us several hundred dollars each year for uniform maintenance but damn.

/NDB on Saturday

diaphoresis: Shaddup: Misconduc: There's no reason to lie about being in the service, either you were in or were not. In reality there are so few MOH, Silver Star, Service Cross winners that if you ever dare to claim to have one, then you bet your ass some real vet will surely find out.

/0352 TOW gunner, lets see if anyone's job sucked worse then mine

91A Alpha troop 1/3rd ACR Ft Bliss TX 1987-1992.

You got to them before I did....with luck you saved more than you lost

I joined the USN for the chance to travel.. and travel I did. 20+ countries in 4 1/2 yrs.

/ MOS 0000 PN (personnelman, maintained enlisted service records), yawn.
// did it on carriers, many liberty stops
/// shoulda learnt japanese...
//// shashies!!! (yay)

So he lied, lied and lied some more because it felt good and he raised a lot of money.

Dude should be a politician.

KeeptheChief:

I joined the USN for the chance to travel.. and travel I did. 20+ countries in 4 1/2 yrs.

/ MOS 0000 PN (personnelman, maintained enlisted service records), yawn.
// did it on carriers, many liberty stops
/// shoulda learnt japanese...
//// shashies!!! (yay)

I though four balls was boatswains mate ?

/3384 nuc electrician