Being in a blockbuster movie may be a measure of success to some, but I fail to see how it is a measure of integrity.

SphericalTime: "Yes."

No. Military people are of the highest moral caliber. He was actually part of a sting operation, but since AG Holder was not informed, he had no backing. >:-)

A non-animatronic role in a Transformers movie?

Yeah, sounds like the next logical step, followed by becoming a male crack whore.

had a role in the 2011 movie "Transformers: Dark of the Moon"

I don't care what else he did; give him the chair for this.

Being in that awful film should be considered an aggravating circumstance as far as I'm concerned.

Isn't that sort of like asking the jury to consider that the defendant could not have been at the scene of the crime because he was busy porking juror #5's mom?

Chewbacca is a wookiee.

/does not make sense

STFU if your "Omg that movie suxxors wharrgable" the movie was fine for the audience it was intended for, it wasn't supposed to be 2001, it's transformers, have any of you actually seen the original cartoon?
you pukes makes me sick

"Andrew Kaufman, 37, of Las Vegas, pleaded guilty in December to conspiracy and illegal transfer of a machine gun charges. He faces 5 years in prison and up to a $500,000 fine at sentencing Oct. 28."

Obviously the wrestling career was just a build up for hard time.

and handguns including Ruger 9mm weapons of the type used by the U.S. military.

Wut?

/I know the Tank command bought several thousand, but weren't they for the Iraqis?
//US military uses Sig and Beretta for 9mm, not Rugers (although there's nothing wrong 'em)

xxmedium Quote 2011-10-12 02:55:56 PM
"Andrew Kaufman, 37, of Las Vegas, pleaded guilty in December to conspiracy and illegal transfer of a machine gun charges. He faces 5 years in prison and up to a $500,000 fine at sentencing Oct. 28."

Obviously the wrestling career was just a build up for hard time.

I knew he was up to something! O_o

Yes. The answer is yes. Hell yes.

Now I'll go read the article.

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: and handguns including Ruger 9mm weapons of the type used by the U.S. military.

Wut?

/I know the Tank command bought several thousand, but weren't they for the Iraqis?
//US military uses Sig and Beretta for 9mm, not Rugers (although there's nothing wrong 'em)

The article talks about AK-47s and M92s as well (the M-92 is a Serbian variant of the AKS-74 for you non gun nuts). Sounds like he was buying off the locals and smuggling them back on military transports.

It's actually rather common. A of people have souvenirs that they smuggled back in stateside. Most people though don't go full retard and set up a back alley gun shop with them though.

That's a question that doesn't need to be asked. Has anyone ever done good things and then gone on to do bad things? Exactly, no one ever has in the history of upright man.

The article claims that this sort of thing from this sort of person is "unthinkable".


You keep using that word....I do not think it means what you think it does!

HotWingConspiracy: "But I was in Transformers!"

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GUILTY

Is that Judge Potato!!??!?

ha-ha-guy: Edward Rooney Dean of Students: and handguns including Ruger 9mm weapons of the type used by the U.S. military.

Wut?

/I know the Tank command bought several thousand, but weren't they for the Iraqis?
//US military uses Sig and Beretta for 9mm, not Rugers (although there's nothing wrong 'em)

The article talks about AK-47s and M92s as well (the M-92 is a Serbian variant of the AKS-74 for you non gun nuts). Sounds like he was buying off the locals and smuggling them back on military transports.

It's actually rather common. A of people have souvenirs that they smuggled back in stateside. Most people though don't go full retard and set up a back alley gun shop with them though.

My father brought back several intresting things from vietnam. Like my motor shell doorstop that may or may not be live thanks dad!!!

Pro tip: when they find a small arsenal of stolen weapons at your place, come up with a better defense than: "Why would I do that?"

"The bulk of the prosecution case was based on testimony and facts founded upon statements of drug users, convicted felons, drug addicts and arms smugglers."

He raises a good point. I propose a new rule, whereby all drug dealers, accomplices to felonies, and arms smugglers must be convicted based solely on the testimony of upstanding citizens who have never had any drug, arms, or other illegal dealings with the defendant. In fact, the act of having witnessed the felony in question should be grounds for disqualification of their testimony.

But is he decorated real purdy?

orclover: I can still beat a elephant to death with the solid lunk of steel pistol.

Is that you, Boris? I thought you were dead.

"Heavy is good, heavy is reliable. If it doesn't shoot, you can hit him with it."

On topic: the funniest thing about the trial is how this guy insisted on wearing his uniform every day, as if that would convince the jury he wasn't innocent.

Sin_City_Superhero: He could face 125 years in prison and $3.25 million in fines.

This has always confused me. If the guy is going to be in prison for 125 years, how do they expect him to pay a huge fine?

Government-enforced manwhoring.

His mistake was not selling them in Mexico like a good government employee.

orclover: Damn right theres nothing wrong with em! Ok so they are big, heavy and feel like a brick. But if I use up all 15 shots outa both magazines and 20 outa the extended I can still beat a elephant to death with the solid lunk of steel pistol. Try doing that with a glock.

You got that right. I sold all my Glocks recently, and went back to Rugers and Sigs. Feels good to be home again.

Was Dark of the Moon the only movie he's worked on or something? I'd have to think there are better films to use for a character reference, at least movies that wouldn't destroy one's integrity even by being vaguely associated with them.

I immediately question anything the ATF is involved in, as they tend to sensationalize and distort the truth.

Prosecutors accused Bickle of controlling the sale of military hardware ranging from ammunition to night-vision goggles and high-tech rifle targeting scopes. They made closing arguments to the jury amid an array of AK-47 and M92 machine guns, a sniper rifle, a wheeled footlocker with a false bottom and handguns including Ruger 9mm weapons of the type used by the U.S. military.

1) Every type of rifle/carbine ammunition used by the US military is legal to purchase and possess in the US.
2) Every type of night-vision goggle is legal to purchase and possess in the US.
3) Every type of "high-tech rifle targeting scope" (what, an eotech? lulz) is legal to purchase and possess in the US.
4) M92s and Ak47s are legal to purchase and possess in the US.

The only place he really farked up was with the C-4.

But again, it appears the majority of the prosecution was witnesses who had previously pleaded guilty to something and were pleading down their sentence. Because they have no motivation to lie.

PET PEVE: People who say dumb crap like this....

"It's unthinkable that someone with his experience would sell guns like this on the streets of the United States," the ATF agent said.

and this...

Stuff like this NEVER happens in my neighborhood.

Jake Havechek: There always have been guys on bases willing to supplement their army paychecks. Don't tell me ordnance never goes missing.

This. It's not limited to ordnance either.

Der Poopflinger: STFU if your "Omg that movie suxxors wharrgable" the movie was fine for the audience it was intended for, it wasn't supposed to be 2001, it's transformers, have any of you actually seen the original cartoon?
you pukes makes me sick

You're an idiot. Most of us complaining about the Bayformer films grew up on Transformers and are the demographic he was trying to get money out of. You think any kids would care about Transformers given the last few series that came out of Japan?

I don't know how many people have Cartoon Network and I'm sure even fewer have Hub so I'm not counting the last two US-produced series.

No surprise.

The troops are always persecuted under a Democrat administration.

Sounds like someone has watched too many episodes of "Sons of Anarchy" down at the E-Club...

Seth'n'Spectrum:On topic: the funniest thing about the trial is how this guy insisted on wearing his uniform every day, as if that would convince the jury he wasn't innocent.

And he wasted no time throwing on jeans and sandals when the uniform didn't work for him.

The article said Bickle's attorney acknowledged that the verdict could lead to a "dishonorable discharge from the Navy." Uh, how so? This is a federal conviction, so the same sovereign can't try him again at a military court-martial for the same offenses. The only way to be dishonorably discharged from the military is by sentence of a general court martial.

Sure, I suppose they could cobble up something that wasn't covered by the civilian conviction. Doubtful, though. GCMs take effort and funding and this guy's already toast. I see a UOTHC administrative discharge in his future to get him off the payroll and out the gate.

nickerj1: I immediately question anything the ATF is involved in, as they tend to sensationalize and distort the truth.

Prosecutors accused Bickle of controlling the sale of military hardware ranging from ammunition to night-vision goggles and high-tech rifle targeting scopes. They made closing arguments to the jury amid an array of AK-47 and M92 machine guns, a sniper rifle, a wheeled footlocker with a false bottom and handguns including Ruger 9mm weapons of the type used by the U.S. military.

1) Every type of rifle/carbine ammunition used by the US military is legal to purchase and possess in the US.
2) Every type of night-vision goggle is legal to purchase and possess in the US.
3) Every type of "high-tech rifle targeting scope" (what, an eotech? lulz) is legal to purchase and possess in the US.
4) M92s and Ak47s are legal to purchase and possess in the US. *

The only place he really farked up was with the C-4.

But again, it appears the majority of the prosecution was witnesses who had previously pleaded guilty to something and were pleading down their sentence. Because they have no motivation to lie.

* With the proper paperwork

The charges arise not simply from the possession or attempted sale of this otherwise legal gear but from the fact that he STOLE IT ALL from the military

M-92 machine gun ? Do they mean the full auto Beretta pistol ?

One Bad Apple: M-92 machine gun ? Do they mean the full auto Beretta pistol ?

I assumed they meant the Zastava M92 (serbian AK variant), but who knows?

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: One Bad Apple: M-92 machine gun ? Do they mean the full auto Beretta pistol ?

I assumed they meant the Zastava M92 (serbian AK variant), but who knows?

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Ahhh I was hoping for that picture. I love that.

/I don't actually know which of those IS an AK-47, but I still love it

Aidan: /I don't actually know which of those IS an AK-47, but I still love it

LOL, it's the first one...

Crotchrocket Slim: You're an idiot. Most of us complaining about the Bayformer films grew up on Transformers and are the demographic he was trying to get money out of. You think any kids would care about Transformers given the last few series that came out of Japan?

I don't know how many people have Cartoon Network and I'm sure even fewer have Hub so I'm not counting the last two US-produced series.


my kids a lot of their friends watch the original cartoons (we get cartoon retro) and they like all three movies. What are you expecting from transformers? an epic movie with the same quality of the original star wars, 2001, or gone with the wind? IT'S A MOVIE ABOUT TRANSFORMING ROBOTS FFS!
get a grip
you're one of those pukes that make me sick

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Sooo, when are we gonna start prosecuting folks for that Fast and Furious bit?
The difference between this schlub and the government is the government was proven to have cost US lives with its 'gun deals'...

Der Poopflinger: Crotchrocket Slim: You're an idiot. Most of us complaining about the Bayformer films grew up on Transformers and are the demographic he was trying to get money out of. You think any kids would care about Transformers given the last few series that came out of Japan?

I don't know how many people have Cartoon Network and I'm sure even fewer have Hub so I'm not counting the last two US-produced series.


my kids a lot of their friends watch the original cartoons (we get cartoon retro) and they like all three movies. What are you expecting from transformers? an epic movie with the same quality of the original star wars, 2001, or gone with the wind? IT'S A MOVIE ABOUT TRANSFORMING ROBOTS FFS!
get a grip
you're one of those pukes that make me sick

I don't know, it could be as entertaining as say A New Hope, which was also a "kids movie" that isn't one protracted special effects sequence. It actually has plotting and character development, plus Darth Vader looks distinctively different than his Stormtrooper goons (and Lucas's cinematographers knew when not to use long shots). And outside of its cultural influence it's rather "meh" as far as movies go.

See, I had low standards already and Bay can't even meet them. I've always compared Transformers to other "kids'" movies.

Keep buying tickets for the same movie remade over and over though, seems to keep you entertained. How deep did you find "I Am Number Four"?

jaytkay: No surprise.

The troops are always persecuted under a Democrat administration.

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