"Suck for luck" Damn, I thought this video would be something to do with the Dolphins' Cheerleaders new strategy to improve the team's performance

// I has a sad now

There are too many levels of suck for me to properly comment, but clearly not too many to keep it from getting greenlit...WTF?

Dougie AXP: I would love to see Luck pull an Eli and say "Draft me if you want, but I won't sign with you"

He might. Honestly, hes got enough star power to command that type of possibility.

Dougie AXP: I would love to see Luck pull an Eli and say "Draft me if you want, but I won't sign with you"

Luck has too much class for that. As someone who gets the pleasure of watching that kid play in the Pac 12 week after week you get to see how humble this kid is. He could have gone anywhere for any amount of money, he wants it to be known that his Architectural Design Degree is a priority and he doesnt Need the NFL to have a succesful life.

I really admire this kid. He wasnt like Scam Newton and be like "Yo, biatch I'm taking he money and runnin nubian!"

Just not against the Jets. While I have no hope or enthusiasm for this Dolphins season, to see fat Rex lose to the crappy fish would be some small solace.

I think it would be funny as shiat if Luck turned out to be bad/mediocre after all this wailing and teeth-gnashing about who's going to get him.

I don't care who's coming out in the draft. I'd rather see my team win a few games.

Dougie AXP: I would love to see Luck pull an Eli and say "Draft me if you want, but I won't sign with you"

That worked out pretty well for the Chargers -- and if Luck does that, I have a feeling that whoever drafts him will be able to command even more in a trade.

It's also what made me realize Eli Manning is a goddamn idiot. I mean, have you ever been to San Diego? The place is a farking paradise and anybody would be blessed to play his NFL career there. Miami isn't quite on that level and it would be slightly less crazy to do it, but still a pretty good place to be, on a relatively high-profile franchise with a good history.

Super Chronic: Dougie AXP: I would love to see Luck pull an Eli and say "Draft me if you want, but I won't sign with you"

That worked out pretty well for the Chargers -- and if Luck does that, I have a feeling that whoever drafts him will be able to command even more in a trade.

It's also what made me realize Eli Manning is a goddamn idiot. I mean, have you ever been to San Diego? The place is a farking paradise and anybody would be blessed to play his NFL career there. Miami isn't quite on that level and it would be slightly less crazy to do it, but still a pretty good place to be, on a relatively high-profile franchise with a good history.

Yeah, I'm sure he's all broken up about winning a Super Bowl instead of being saddled with Norv Turner. I'm no Eli fan but there's no way to say that Eli and the Giants didn't completely win out on that trade.

AdmirableSnackbar: I'm no Eli fan but there's no way to say that Eli and the Giants didn't completely win out on that trade.

That's ridiculous. Say whatever you want about the Giants' and Chargers' respective organization, but you cannot legitimately argue that the Giants "win" a trade of Eli Manning for Philip Rivers, Shawne Merriman and Nate Kaeding. Rivers alone for Manning would have been a lopsided trade in favor of the Chargers.

I like this kid and I am amazed that he continues to be dominate after Harbaugh left for SF.

/Pac12 homer

Super Chronic: AdmirableSnackbar: I'm no Eli fan but there's no way to say that Eli and the Giants didn't completely win out on that trade.

That's ridiculous. Say whatever you want about the Giants' and Chargers' respective organization, but you cannot legitimately argue that the Giants "win" a trade of Eli Manning for Philip Rivers, Shawne Merriman and Nate Kaeding. Rivers alone for Manning would have been a lopsided trade in favor of the Chargers.

Rivers is so completely overrated it's not even funny. It's great that he can throw rainbows to 7' receivers, but he loses his head when things don't go his way. Say what you want about either QB, but Eli has shown he can play well in the postseason whereas Rivers has mostly sucked. And Eli already has the ring that Rivers never will, which pretty much ends the debate right there.

vinnydoz007: Dougie AXP: I would love to see Luck pull an Eli and say "Draft me if you want, but I won't sign with you"

He might. Honestly, hes got enough star power to command that type of possibility.

And there's no way he sits for 4 years. I'd eat a shoe if that happened.

AdmirableSnackbar: And Eli already has the ring that Rivers never will, which pretty much ends the debate right there.

Right, Eli and Trent Dilfer have the rings that Rivers, Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton and Dan Fouts never did and never will. Eli and Dilfer for the HOF, clearly.

AdmirableSnackbar: It's great that he can throw rainbows to 7' receivers, but he loses his head when things don't go his way.

Not sure I agree. Sure, he sucks come January, but the dude has put up healthy numbers even with all the injuries and holdouts on the offense in recent years.

Super Chronic: AdmirableSnackbar: And Eli already has the ring that Rivers never will, which pretty much ends the debate right there.

Right, Eli and Trent Dilfer have the rings that Rivers, Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton and Dan Fouts never did and never will. Eli and Dilfer for the HOF, clearly.

Don't give me that BS, Eli was a stud in the 2007 playoffs. He's not in Trent Dilfer territory; he certainly wasn't carried by his team to a title like Dilfer was. The Ravens only needed Dilfer to not create turnovers. The Giants needed Eli to come up huge and he did just that. The Chargers have needed Rivers to come up huge and he's mostly come up very small. Rivers puts up great fantasy football stats but he's just not a winner.

merkey88: vinnydoz007: Dougie AXP: I would love to see Luck pull an Eli and say "Draft me if you want, but I won't sign with you"

He might. Honestly, hes got enough star power to command that type of possibility.

And there's no way he sits for 4 years. I'd eat a shoe if that happened.

He will probably start day 1. I mean, it all depends on where he ends up, and even though rookie Qb's are trendy. Look at Rodgers. A couple years on the bench is not a terrible thing.

vinnydoz007: merkey88: vinnydoz007: Dougie AXP: I would love to see Luck pull an Eli and say "Draft me if you want, but I won't sign with you"

He might. Honestly, hes got enough star power to command that type of possibility.

And there's no way he sits for 4 years. I'd eat a shoe if that happened.

He will probably start day 1. I mean, it all depends on where he ends up, and even though rookie Qb's are trendy. Look at Rodgers. A couple years on the bench is not a terrible thing.

A guy like Luck shouldn't sit for 4 years but at the same time he shouldn't start right away. The Eagles did the right thing by getting a shiatty veteran QB to play in front of McNabb for the first part of his rookie year, which is what whoever drafts Luck should do. Give him some time to adjust to the NFL by watching from the sideline and taking part in meetings off the field and by the middle to end of the season let him take over. Although with the rookie contracts what they are now (no more $40mil signing bonuses for draft picks), it might be better to let him sit the bench for his entire rookie year.

Was that Richard Dryffus?

/he was in Jaaaaaaaaaws

H31N0US: Just not against the Jets. While I have no hope or enthusiasm for this Dolphins season, to see fat Rex lose to the crappy fish would be some small solace.

2-14, sweep the Jets = Perfect Season

AdmirableSnackbar: Super Chronic: AdmirableSnackbar: And Eli already has the ring that Rivers never will, which pretty much ends the debate right there.

Right, Eli and Trent Dilfer have the rings that Rivers, Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton and Dan Fouts never did and never will. Eli and Dilfer for the HOF, clearly.

Don't give me that BS, Eli was a stud in the 2007 playoffs. He's not in Trent Dilfer territory; he certainly wasn't carried by his team to a title like Dilfer was. The Ravens only needed Dilfer to not create turnovers. The Giants needed Eli to come up huge and he did just that. The Chargers have needed Rivers to come up huge and he's mostly come up very small. Rivers puts up great fantasy football stats but he's just not a winner.

Oh, that old argument again.

Look, I'm not denying Eli had an excellent postseason in 2007, but it's nevertheless a very small sample size. For someone who's not a "winner," Rivers sure has won a hell of a lot of games -- 59 of them since 2006 (compared to Manning's 51). Rivers hasn't come through in the postseason, largely because he's been in the same conference as most of the league's most dominant teams. That doesn't negate his overall body of work. This is the same crap you hear from baseball fans who say, for example, Alex Rodriguez is not "clutch" based on a limited number of postseason observations, and it's really not worth wasting brain cells on.

It's also wrong to say that Rivers has just been able to chuck the ball up to a bunch of tall and talented receivers. Rivers has spent his career working with undrafted or low-drafted nobodies like Antonio Gates and Vincent Jackson and has to get at least some of the credit for turning them into Pro Bowlers. Manning has been throwing to first-rounders like Plaxico Burress, Hakeem Nicks and Jeremy Shockey.

So Manning caught lightning in a bottle in one postseason. Doesn't make him on Rivers's level, or even close. Manning is a fine QB, above average, probably somewhere around 10th-12th best in the league if I had to rank them. (Let's see, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Ryan... Manning is somewhere in the next group with Romo, Schaub, Vick if he gets it together again, Stafford, Fitzpatrick and Freeman.) But that's as far as it goes.

AdmirableSnackbar: vinnydoz007: merkey88: vinnydoz007: Dougie AXP: I would love to see Luck pull an Eli and say "Draft me if you want, but I won't sign with you"

He might. Honestly, hes got enough star power to command that type of possibility.

And there's no way he sits for 4 years. I'd eat a shoe if that happened.

He will probably start day 1. I mean, it all depends on where he ends up, and even though rookie Qb's are trendy. Look at Rodgers. A couple years on the bench is not a terrible thing.

A guy like Luck shouldn't sit for 4 years but at the same time he shouldn't start right away. The Eagles did the right thing by getting a shiatty veteran QB to play in front of McNabb for the first part of his rookie year, which is what whoever drafts Luck should do. Give him some time to adjust to the NFL by watching from the sideline and taking part in meetings off the field and by the middle to end of the season let him take over. Although with the rookie contracts what they are now (no more $40mil signing bonuses for draft picks), it might be better to let him sit the bench for his entire rookie year.

I actually, and maybe i over analyze, but i think the mental aspect of the process cant be overlooked. Some people thrive under pressure and some do better and can develop more when the pressure is lessened. So theres the thought that you sign some shiatty vet to play 8 games. and then put in the rookie for the final 8 games when the seasons a wash and see what he can do. Theres no pressure to win, just develop your skills for the next season. I personally think this is the best route. If i was an NFL QB, its the way i'd like to break into the NFL.

AdmirableSnackbar: Rivers is so completely overrated it's not even funny. It's great that he can throw rainbows to 7' receivers, but he loses his head when things don't go his way. Say what you want about either QB, but Eli has shown he can play well in the postseason whereas Rivers has mostly sucked. And Eli already has the ring that Rivers never will, which pretty much ends the debate right there.

The reason Eli has that ring is because of a devastating front four and one lucky-ass catch (I'll give him equal credit on that play, he got away). Don't act like Eli carried them on his shoulders. The D carried the team on its shoulders.

The reason that Eli has played well in the post season is that he's had a monster D to mitigate his mistakes. Eli is a good QB, but if you had to pick a team right now, I think most people would take Rivers in a heartbeat.

/cue the Rivers haters

Good luck beating out the Colts for the worst team in the league this year. They are incredibly awful all around.

However Polian would probably not draft Luck anyway just because he is the type of bitter curmudgeon who would NOT do it just because everyone else thinks he should.

I would think that if an owner of a team told his players to lose, they would...

...by forfeit.

/Andrew Luck won't help your team all that much if he's the only one who wants to play.

oh_please: AdmirableSnackbar: Rivers is so completely overrated it's not even funny. It's great that he can throw rainbows to 7' receivers, but he loses his head when things don't go his way. Say what you want about either QB, but Eli has shown he can play well in the postseason whereas Rivers has mostly sucked. And Eli already has the ring that Rivers never will, which pretty much ends the debate right there.

The reason Eli has that ring is because of a devastating front four and one lucky-ass catch (I'll give him equal credit on that play, he got away). Don't act like Eli carried them on his shoulders. The D carried the team on its shoulders.

The reason that Eli has played well in the post season is that he's had a monster D to mitigate his mistakes. Eli is a good QB, but if you had to pick a team right now, I think most people would take Rivers in a heartbeat.

/cue the Rivers haters

Eli threw 6 TDs to 1 INT in that postseason run. The defense didn't mitigate his mistakes because he just didn't make that many. Rivers, though, has never played a playoff game without throwing at least one pick. And Rivers has only ever had two playoff games where he threw for more than 1 TD, but for one of those they were garbage time TDs in the 4th quarter when the Chargers were down 28-10 because Rivers sucked for the first three quarters. Again, Rivers puts up pretty stats but I'll take the winner over the stat guy any day and twice on Sunday.

Boy, that video must be real inspiring to all five Dolphin fans.

Me thinks some of you are taking this "grown men playing a kids game while I sit and watch them" role a little too seroius,

AdmirableSnackbar: Eli threw 6 TDs to 1 INT in that postseason run. The defense didn't mitigate his mistakes because he just didn't make that many.

He didn't have to take a lot of chances, because the Giants D (especially the front four) was playing at a whole different level. Most of those playoff games were won by the Giants D by key interceptions and sacks. Look, he had a good run, but to say he's better than Rivers is just ridiculous.

Plus, Rivers played on a torn ACL...a farkING TORN ACL... in the AFC championship that year in NE, without Tomlinson and Gates.

I don't follow college ball much, but I've heard this Luck kid is a hot commodity. Based on that video he's a white running qb. Running qbs in general do poorly in the NFL so I'm confused by the hype.

Super Chronic: Let's see, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Ryan

You know how I know you don't know what you're talking about? Matty Ice is nothing more than a really good game manager. Last year's great year is looking more and more like a fluke when I watch him this year. Out of the 3.25 years he's played so far, he's looked great for one.

oh_please: AdmirableSnackbar: Eli threw 6 TDs to 1 INT in that postseason run. The defense didn't mitigate his mistakes because he just didn't make that many.

He didn't have to take a lot of chances, because the Giants D (especially the front four) was playing at a whole different level. Most of those playoff games were won by the Giants D by key interceptions and sacks. Look, he had a good run, but to say he's better than Rivers is just ridiculous.

Plus, Rivers played on a torn ACL...a farkING TORN ACL... in the AFC championship that year in NE, without Tomlinson and Gates.

That's not what I'm saying though. I don't think Eli is a better qb than Rivers, only that Eli did what Rivers has proven unable to do. And because of that, the Giants and Eli got the better end of that trade. The Giants got a ring with Eli and the Chargers got a very good regular season qb who can't play in the postseason.

vinnydoz007: AdmirableSnackbar: vinnydoz007: merkey88: vinnydoz007: Dougie AXP: I would love to see Luck pull an Eli and say "Draft me if you want, but I won't sign with you"

He might. Honestly, hes got enough star power to command that type of possibility.

And there's no way he sits for 4 years. I'd eat a shoe if that happened.

He will probably start day 1. I mean, it all depends on where he ends up, and even though rookie Qb's are trendy. Look at Rodgers. A couple years on the bench is not a terrible thing.

A guy like Luck shouldn't sit for 4 years but at the same time he shouldn't start right away. The Eagles did the right thing by getting a shiatty veteran QB to play in front of McNabb for the first part of his rookie year, which is what whoever drafts Luck should do. Give him some time to adjust to the NFL by watching from the sideline and taking part in meetings off the field and by the middle to end of the season let him take over. Although with the rookie contracts what they are now (no more $40mil signing bonuses for draft picks), it might be better to let him sit the bench for his entire rookie year.

I actually, and maybe i over analyze, but i think the mental aspect of the process cant be overlooked. Some people thrive under pressure and some do better and can develop more when the pressure is lessened. So theres the thought that you sign some shiatty vet to play 8 games. and then put in the rookie for the final 8 games when the seasons a wash and see what he can do. Theres no pressure to win, just develop your skills for the next season. I personally think this is the best route. If i was an NFL QB, its the way i'd like to break into the NFL.

I think Luck likes the pressure though. He stayed in college when his head coach bolted. The safe play would be to come out and be a top 3 pick, top 10 at the very worst. Instead, he is playing on a high level yet another year while the talent on offense isn't as good. I don't think they'll end up in the championship game, but they have a chance at a BCS game anyways. Who's gonna beat them? Oregon and Notre Dame are the only teams with enough offense to come close.

Dougie AXP: But I believe he finishes his degree this year...don't you have to be enrolled in school, working towards a degree, taking classes in order to play collegiate sports?

I'm sure he could stay on and do a year of a masters for Architecture. Or maybe do business or something.

gridlocksammy: Not to rain on the Dolphins parade to stenchdom, but Luck is eligible to play at Stanford for another year.

/Your evil plan, I don't think you thought it all the way through.

I'm a Fins fan and I'm not on board with the whole suck for Luck thing. If we're legitimately the worst team then fine...but football season is only about 4 months out of the year and I'd much prefer to cause angst to the Jets, Pats, or Bills with an upset than intentionally sucking when we likely won't be worse than the Colts anyways. Next year is a long way off to look forward to a "maybe", just sayin.

oh_please: AdmirableSnackbar: Eli threw 6 TDs to 1 INT in that postseason run. The defense didn't mitigate his mistakes because he just didn't make that many.

He didn't have to take a lot of chances, because the Giants D (especially the front four) was playing at a whole different level. Most of those playoff games were won by the Giants D by key interceptions and sacks. Look, he had a good run, but to say he's better than Rivers is just ridiculous.

Plus, Rivers played on a torn ACL...a farkING TORN ACL... in the AFC championship that year in NE, without Tomlinson and Gates.

While this certainly shows his heart, as I recall he had a crappy day out there. Didn't really help.

gridlocksammy: Dougie AXP: gridlocksammy: Not to rain on the Dolphins parade to stenchdom, but Luck is eligible to play at Stanford for another year.

/Your evil plan, I don't think you thought it all the way through.

But I believe he finishes his degree this year...don't you have to be enrolled in school, working towards a degree, taking classes in order to play collegiate sports?

No. the NCAA will allow you to play as long as you are eligible, even if you graduated.

Are you sure about that? I have a nephew who's a senior, and a redshirt junior in basketball; he's going to graduate in January and I thought he told me he had to work on a master's in order to keep playing for another year and a half. Or maybe he's just doing the master's because, hey, he's going to be on campus with a scholarship, so it's just a good thing to do. I'm not sure.

Do I have to do everything around here?



/I'd Flipper

oh_please: I think it would be funny as shiat if Luck turned out to be bad/mediocre after all this wailing and teeth-gnashing about who's going to get him.

That's honestly what I think might happen. But Luck seems like a cool guy, so I don't really want him too.

Miami is probably one of the better "Suck for Luck" teams for Luck, along with the Chefs, but those Chefs are not sucking enough.

I hope Luck keeps playing college ball until he gets his doctorate just to watch the veins of ESPN analysts bulge.