No, they didn't ask for a bailout. Just a currency intervention.

...and a bailout.

jehovahs witness protection: HeadKase: And they still make vehicles that nothing coming from the Detroit behemoths can touch.

Yeah... unless you count Motor Trend's Car of the Year, Motor Trend's Truck of the Year, Consumer Digest's Best Buy, Automobile Magazine's Top 10, Popular Mechanics Top 10, blah, blah, blah...

I love how the so-called patriots bash anything this country makes except fraudulent financial instruments that cause world-wide banking crises.

DarthBrooks: Wendy's Chili: jehovahs witness protection: HeadKase: And they still make vehicles that nothing coming from the Detroit behemoths can touch.

Yeah... unless you count Motor Trend's Car of the Year, Motor Trend's Truck of the Year, Consumer Digest's Best Buy, Automobile Magazine's Top 10, Popular Mechanics Top 10, blah, blah, blah...

I love how the so-called patriots bash anything this country makes except fraudulent financial instruments that cause world-wide banking crises.

An example of Motor Trend's Car of the Year - - let's try 1971...

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The Chevrolet Vega. Aluminum block engine that simply melted with use.

Well in that case, I'm voting for Nixon!

HeadKase:

And they still make vehicles that nothing coming from the Detroit behemoths can touch.



/ they did for awhile ... 2007 Saturn VUE came with a Honda 2.4L Ecotec V-6 and accompanying Honda 5-speed a/t
// luvs me my VUE ... Hey GM: FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU >:(

Peter von Nostrand: BritneysSpeculum: Dude, Indiana gave Honda a $141 million dollar subsidy to bring the plant there.

Corporate welfare doesn't count because.... ummmmm... job creators... or something

Since corporations are people, should we drug test Honda before they get their welfare check?

Honda did try to beg its way into the Federeal Reserve's Commerical Paper guarantee program at the height of the crisis.

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so, according to subby, we should be rewarding Honda because the government refused to give them money.

/approves

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DAMN YOU

HeadKase: And they still make vehicles that nothing coming from the Detroit behemoths can touch.

I'm in a different rental every other week and after recently spending a week with the Cruze I'm damn impressed. It's better than the Corolla and Civic. The smoothness and power at highway speed is incredible for such a small car. It really kills the Corolla in that department.

I have yet to try a new Focus and Fiesta. Looking forward to it.

Also, the Mazda 3 is too loud and rides too choppy. The Chrysler 200 is still total crap.

Japan at least did to Honda what the US did to GMAC...

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I had a 75 vega, it was a great car. the only maintenance it ever required was changing the sparkplugs and replacing the clutch cable every now & then. Got about 35 mpg.

Hoosier taxpayers PAID Honda to build the plant there with a close to $150,000,000 subsidy.

Five bucks says that more then half the blue-collar workers that will take those jobs will yell against, "Socialism" and "Communism".

Rapmaster2000: HeadKase: And they still make vehicles that nothing coming from the Detroit behemoths can touch.

I'm in a different rental every other week and after recently spending a week with the Cruze I'm damn impressed. It's better than the Corolla and Civic. The smoothness and power at highway speed is incredible for such a small car. It really kills the Corolla in that department.

I have yet to try a new Focus and Fiesta. Looking forward to it.

Also, the Mazda 3 is too loud and rides too choppy. The Chrysler 200 is still total crap.

Also give the 2011 Hyundai Elantra a shot if you can find a rental place that actually has one. Bought one in May, friggin love it.

HellRaisingHoosier: Hoosier taxpayers PAID Honda to build the plant there with a close to $150,000,000 subsidy.

Five bucks says that more then half the blue-collar workers that will take those jobs will yell against, "Socialism" and "Communism".

I've been to Greensburg. Greensburg is one of those places in Indiana that has way too many Confederate flags for a Northern state. Not as many as the Shelby County Fair (yeah, i've been there too), but plenty.

Assembling cars in the USA will always be competitive with the rest of the world because of the costs of shipping all the empty space in a completed car.

12349876: Assembling cars in the USA will always be competitive with the rest of the world because of the costs of shipping all the empty space in a completed car.

Solution: Fill cars with iPods.

usernameguy: I'll be waiting a few years to see if Chevies and Fords and Chryslers shiat themselves on the roads like every other car they've made for the past 40 years.

Every thread. Every thread there's at least one guy who apparently somehow missed everything that happened in the automotive world between 1990 and 2010. You're that guy this time, huh?

/ except Chrysler, they still build total shiat
// in before "my unverifiable Chrysler Shiatbox 3000 ran for 200k miles without a problem and shiat out a golden egg every day so that means the hundreds of articles and reliability reports showing Chrysler's consistently crap quality over a thirty year period are all wrong" guy.

Splinshints:
// in before "my unverifiable Chrysler Shiatbox 3000 ran for 200k miles without a problem and shiat out a golden egg every day so that means the hundreds of articles and reliability reports showing Chrysler's consistently crap quality over a thirty year period are all wrong" guy.



Al's old Dodge still runs.

It strikes me as odd how some of the largest and most successful companies in the US are non-unionized.

It also strikes me as odd how many large unionized companies are constantly having labor problems requiring layoffs, not to mention bailouts.

I have a Honda and a Buick, and they've both been great cars. If you buy a cheap POS American made car, don't be surprised when it's a cheap POS. There are good ones out there.

Mr. Breeze: It strikes me as odd how some of the largest and most successful companies in the US are non-unionized.

It also strikes me as odd how many large unionized companies are constantly having labor problems requiring layoffs, not to mention bailouts.

What strikes you as odd could probably fill a warehouse.

ToddMU03: Splinshints:
// in before "my unverifiable Chrysler Shiatbox 3000 ran for 200k miles without a problem and shiat out a golden egg every day so that means the hundreds of articles and reliability reports showing Chrysler's consistently crap quality over a thirty year period are all wrong" guy.

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Al's old Dodge still runs.

Those Dodge engines from that era were fantastic. The slant-six and 318 lasted forever.

Mr. Breeze: It strikes me as odd how some of the largest and most successful companies in the US are non-unionized.

It also strikes me as odd how many large unionized companies are constantly having labor problems requiring layoffs, not to mention bailouts.

As a non-union worker I wish the company I worked for paid me so much money that it brought the company to the brink of bankruptcy.

Also, you don't hear about non-unionized workers getting laid off because... who would you hear it from? The average worker doesn't have a voice that can be heard by the media.

the_geek: Mr. Breeze: It strikes me as odd how some of the largest and most successful companies in the US are non-unionized.

It also strikes me as odd how many large unionized companies are constantly having labor problems requiring layoffs, not to mention bailouts.

As a non-union worker I wish the company I worked for paid me so much money that it brought the company to the brink of bankruptcy.

Also, you don't hear about non-unionized workers getting laid off because... who would you hear it from? The average worker doesn't have a voice that can be heard by the media.

Mass layoffs are always news regardless of union affiliation.

Rapmaster2000: Mr. Breeze: It strikes me as odd how some of the largest and most successful companies in the US are non-unionized.

It also strikes me as odd how many large unionized companies are constantly having labor problems requiring layoffs, not to mention bailouts.

What strikes you as odd could probably fill a warehouse.

OOOOhHOHO... You're a clever one aren't you?

Came up with that on your own?

Mr. Breeze: Rapmaster2000: Mr. Breeze: It strikes me as odd how some of the largest and most successful companies in the US are non-unionized.

It also strikes me as odd how many large unionized companies are constantly having labor problems requiring layoffs, not to mention bailouts.

What strikes you as odd could probably fill a warehouse.

OOOOhHOHO... You're a clever one aren't you?

Came up with that on your own?

No, I stole it from Snappy Comebacks to Stupid Questions. You see, when I'm presented with a situation I look to reference material. Lazy libs like you never put in the work. They just ask dumb questions and hope someone does the work for them.

Rapmaster2000: HellRaisingHoosier: Hoosier taxpayers PAID Honda to build the plant there with a close to $150,000,000 subsidy.

Five bucks says that more then half the blue-collar workers that will take those jobs will yell against, "Socialism" and "Communism".

I've been to Greensburg. Greensburg is one of those places in Indiana that has way too many Confederate flags for a Northern state. Not as many as the Shelby County Fair (yeah, i've been there too), but plenty.

Aren't they getting massive tax breaks as well? Also, the best thing about working in Shelbyville is I get to leave it 5 days a week. Reverse commutes FTW!

Tax incentives to attract businesses is nothing new nor uncommon. It is looked upon as an investment for future revenue.

I don't know the numbers, but my guess is having a successful, long term, large employer creates more revenue than any initial tax incentive given. That is the plan at least.

I would think if that formula was typically a failing one, states would not do it.

Mr. Breeze: Mass layoffs are always news regardless of union affiliation.

Mass layoffs make it into the newspaper, but there's generally not repercussions to the employer beyond higher stock prices for non-unionized companies.

MilesTeg: I don't know the numbers, but my guess is having a successful, long term, large employer creates more revenue than any initial tax incentive given. That is the plan at least.

Depends. Most professional football/basketball/baseball stadiums are a net loss for the community.

MilesTeg: I would think if that formula was typically a failing one, states would not do it.

Really?

Because State governments have a history of really sound financial decisions?

Rapmaster2000: Mr. Breeze: Rapmaster2000: Mr. Breeze: It strikes me as odd how some of the largest and most successful companies in the US are non-unionized.

It also strikes me as odd how many large unionized companies are constantly having labor problems requiring layoffs, not to mention bailouts.

What strikes you as odd could probably fill a warehouse.

OOOOhHOHO... You're a clever one aren't you?

Came up with that on your own?

No, I stole it from Snappy Comebacks to Stupid Questions. You see, when I'm presented with a situation I look to reference material. Lazy libs like you never put in the work. They just ask dumb questions and hope someone does the work for them.

LoL, I'm a lazy Lib?

Well, better quit my job in the military after 10 years and join the local "occupy" protest.

Mr. Breeze:

LoL, I'm a lazy Lib?

Well, better quit my job in the military after 10 years and join the local "occupy" protest.

You mean your GOVERNMENT job. Sorry, but while you were getting hired for diversity week at your GOVERNMENT job I was making my own way in the private sector. Have fun spending my tax dollars. You should read a little book called Atlas Shrugged so you can learn what happens when people like me GO GALT and you're forced to fend for yourself without GOVERNMENT handouts.

If they're good paying jobs with good benefits, then that's great news. If they're $12 an hour jobs that used to be $30 an hour jobs and there's no opportunity for collective bargaining to improve the worker's position, then it's a shiat deal and should be called like it is.

Mr. Breeze: It strikes me as odd how some of the largest and most successful companies in the US are non-unionized.

It also strikes me as odd how many large unionized companies are constantly having labor problems requiring layoffs, not to mention bailouts.

Because professionals are not permitted to unionize. Collective bargaining is effectively illegal for white collar and grey collar workers, outside of government workers. Hence, it wouldn't be legal to try to organize Google or Microsoft, outside of folks like the janitors (who are probably contractors and not employees, anyway).

Stile4aly: If they're good paying jobs with good benefits, then that's great news. If they're $12 an hour jobs that used to be $30 an hour jobs and there's no opportunity for collective bargaining to improve the worker's position, then it's a shiat deal and should be called like it is.

What difference does it make? A Job is a job. Its driven by the natural need for a skill set and the ability to pay for that skillset. Its almost exactly like supply and demand.

Asking someone to tighten a bolt is not a highly skilled job. It can be given to just about ANYONE with half a brain. Generally speaking, you can't pay a labor force each a union wage of $60,000+ to screw in a bolt. Its not economically feasible.

Stile4aly: If they're good paying jobs with good benefits, then that's great news. If they're $12 an hour jobs that used to be $30 an hour jobs and there's no opportunity for collective bargaining to improve the worker's position, then it's a shiat deal and should be called like it is.

The reason the Japanese plants aren't unionized is that they've been providing good wages and benefits from day one. It would be a pretty safe bet to assume for now that these new jobs will be the same.