Does this guy ever not piss away a good thing? Leaves WWE for the NFL doesnt make the cut. Goes to MMA makes huge $ for Dana and the UFC win or lose. Then considers tarnishing the name he has made for himself in UFC by going back to do a wrestling show? Really Lesnar something is broken in your brain. Just stay with your current payday and stop being a tool.

No, it wasn't scripted that it would break.

Lesnar is a big fella.

Langston: This sounds fishy. I'm not sure that Lesnar ever had a neck.



Born without a neck, was Brock Lesnar.

Jim from Saint Paul: No, it wasn't scripted that it would break.

Lesnar is a big fella.

When he left it was 'a shameful thing' _{(lobsterhead)}

Maybe this time...



there we go.

Sapper_Topo: Does this guy ever not piss away a good thing? Leaves WWE for the NFL doesnt make the cut. Goes to MMA makes huge $ for Dana and the UFC win or lose. Then considers tarnishing the name he has made for himself in UFC by going back to do a wrestling show? Really Lesnar something is broken in your brain. Just stay with your current payday and stop being a tool.

I think at this point that he wouldn't "tarnish" his MMA status by being involved with a big WWE payday at some point in the future. That's all this is too. Just trying to make sure there's a bridge that maybe he hasn't burned.

I think only the most ardent haters of wrestling, that like MMA, would question that Brock cares more about MMA then wrestling. You can question who he picks to fight all you want, he has gone in there to fight as often as his body will allow.

Also, considering all his health issues, he may eventually not be able to do much MMA at all anymore. I'm the first to say "wrestlers are athletes and have to put their body through punishment", I would also be the first to say that an MMA fighter most certainly puts their body through more punishment to get ready for and participating in an MMA fight. For his long term health issues, wrestling would be easier on him and would help him live longer.

/I don't think he's coming back for any extended stay
//he'll pull a Dwayne Johnson and come back for miniscule stints here and there

I just think Brock has had his ticket punched too many times because of pro wrestling. Everyone knows about the big concussion at WrestleMania when he landed on his head doing a Shooting Star Press, but the years he spent accumulating and compounding minor brain trauma has prematurely made him like Chuck Liddell. The guy just can't take a punch. He knows it, so he overcompensates on the standup by turning and avoiding instead of slipping punches in the pocket.

It's too bad, because Brock's amateur wrestling pedigree combined with the freakish speed he has for his size could have helped make him the best HW of all time. Unfortunately, when he finished school, MMA hadn't yet overtaken pro wrestling as the go-to career for amateur wrestlers.

scottydoesntknow: Brock Lesnar says he's open to "one last match" in the WWE before dedicating the rest of his life searching the globe for his neck

FTFY misleading subby.

I figured he was talking about MMA, considering he's too scared to fight anyone that might present a challenge. He's got weight, but in spite of having lunchboxes for fists, he can't punch worth a shiat.

I always had high hopes for him because of his looks (I mean he does look like a monster) and his insane wrestling background, but in reality he's all show against guys who have trained their entire lives to hurt people. Watching him be dismantled by Cain was amazing, and pretty much solidified him as just a poster boy and nothing more for the UFC.

I honestly hope he does well against Overeem but i just can't see him getting past the fact Overeem is a great kickboxer and striker. That being said if Brock gets him against the cage or on the ground, he could turn his face into hamburger *cough cough Frank Mir*

Can you bet on WWE?
/seriously

Thoguh: No way his UFC contract is written in a way that would allow him to do the WWE while still affiliated with the UFC. Maybe he could go back to the WWE after he finishes washing out of the UFC, but not while he is still on contract with them.

Disagree. White is smart enough to know that there is a cross-over audience, and with Brock's health concerns Dana might make more money letting Brock do a quick match or WWE appearance, and have him promote the UFC while there.

Hell, Brock is going to be in the next WWE video game afterall.

If anything I would think Vince would not want to just get a quick buyrate pop from a Brock appearance that might cause more fans to be interested a competitor in the PPV market.

Sapper_Topo: Does this guy ever not piss away a good thing? Leaves WWE for the NFL doesnt make the cut. Goes to MMA makes huge $ for Dana and the UFC win or lose. Then considers tarnishing the name he has made for himself in UFC by going back to do a wrestling show? Really Lesnar something is broken in your brain. Just stay with your current payday and stop being a tool.

He didn't leave WWE for the NFL. He left WWE because he hated the travel schedule. He tried out for the NFL later. As far as considering leaving the UFC for the WWE, the guy has health issues that if it keeps up would prevent him from being able to compete as a MMA fighter. If he can't do MMA and WWE is offering him money for something he could do, his brain would have to be broken to turn it down.

eagles95: scottydoesntknow: Brock Lesnar says he's open to "one last match" in the WWE before dedicating the rest of his life searching the globe for his neck

FTFY misleading subby.

I figured he was talking about MMA, considering he's too scared to fight anyone that might present a challenge. He's got weight, but in spite of having lunchboxes for fists, he can't punch worth a shiat.

I always had high hopes for him because of his looks (I mean he does look like a monster) and his insane wrestling background, but in reality he's all show against guys who have trained their entire lives to hurt people. Watching him be dismantled by Cain was amazing, and pretty much solidified him as just a poster boy and nothing more for the UFC.

I honestly hope he does well against Overeem but i just can't see him getting past the fact Overeem is a great kickboxer and striker. That being said if Brock gets him against the cage or on the ground, he could turn his face into hamburger *cough cough Frank Mir*

It's a possibility that Overeem gets pummeled on the ground by Lesnar, but he is much stronger and more explosive than Mir. And I doubt his gameplan will be "let Lesnar sit in my half guard and make hamburger helper out of my face".

Overeem may (but probably not) be able to scramble out from under a Lesnar take down. But if he lands one Uber-Knee, Lesnar will be break dancing out of the Octagon pretty quickly. It's an interesting match-up.

Sapper_Topo: Does this guy ever not piss away a good thing? Leaves WWE for the NFL doesnt make the cut. Goes to MMA makes huge $ for Dana and the UFC win or lose. Then considers tarnishing the name he has made for himself in UFC by going back to do a wrestling show? Really Lesnar something is broken in your brain. Just stay with your current payday and stop being a tool.

He left the WWE because the travel schedule was awful and he wanted to try something else. If he loses this match with Overeem, there's a fairly decent chance that Dana will be nearly done with him. I also don't get how him going to the WWE ruins some sort of MMA legacy. One is acting and one isn't.

Although old-school wrestlers (Kevin Sullivan for one) believe UFC's finishes are also scripted.

Skip to 4:25 to see how well his wrestling fans took to his leaving and his attitude about it.

/bonus hate for Bill Goldberg

Daniels: Sapper_Topo: Does this guy ever not piss away a good thing? Leaves WWE for the NFL doesnt make the cut. Goes to MMA makes huge $ for Dana and the UFC win or lose. Then considers tarnishing the name he has made for himself in UFC by going back to do a wrestling show? Really Lesnar something is broken in your brain. Just stay with your current payday and stop being a tool.

He left the WWE because the travel schedule was awful and he wanted to try something else. If he loses this match with Overeem, there's a fairly decent chance that Dana will be nearly done with him. I also don't get how him going to the WWE ruins some sort of MMA legacy. One is acting and one isn't.

Although old-school wrestlers (Kevin Sullivan for one) believe UFC's finishes are also scripted.

Explain to me how this would even be possible

scottydoesntknow: Brock Lesnar says he's open to "one last match" in the WWE before dedicating the rest of his life searching the globe for his neck

FTFY misleading subby.

I figured he was talking about MMA, considering he's too scared to fight anyone that might present a challenge. He's got weight, but in spite of having lunchboxes for fists, he can't punch worth a shiat.

I always had high hopes for him because of his looks (I mean he does look like a monster) and his insane wrestling background, but in reality he's all show against guys who have trained their entire lives to hurt people. Watching him be dismantled by Cain was amazing, and pretty much solidified him as just a poster boy and nothing more for the UFC.

His last two fights were carwin and Cain. He is fighting overeem next. All top 10 HWs, arguably top 5. Who are these others that would give him a challenge? Do tell.

scottydoesntknow: eagles95: scottydoesntknow: Brock Lesnar says he's open to "one last match" in the WWE before dedicating the rest of his life searching the globe for his neck

FTFY misleading subby.

I figured he was talking about MMA, considering he's too scared to fight anyone that might present a challenge. He's got weight, but in spite of having lunchboxes for fists, he can't punch worth a shiat.

I always had high hopes for him because of his looks (I mean he does look like a monster) and his insane wrestling background, but in reality he's all show against guys who have trained their entire lives to hurt people. Watching him be dismantled by Cain was amazing, and pretty much solidified him as just a poster boy and nothing more for the UFC.

I honestly hope he does well against Overeem but i just can't see him getting past the fact Overeem is a great kickboxer and striker. That being said if Brock gets him against the cage or on the ground, he could turn his face into hamburger *cough cough Frank Mir*

About a year ago I would've also been rooting for Lesnar, but now I want Overeem to dismantle him, which I can easily see happening. The only thing he has going for him is his size, and I just don't see him getting close enough to Overeem to take advantage of that.

Right now Overeem is my favorite HW fighter, he's just an absolute beast.

Isn't Overeem surrounded by rumors of steroids/HGH usage? I've watched almost every single MMA fight (and some kickboxing matches too) that he had and he's changed drastically from the time he first came up. I like him as a fighter and I wish that he will succeed in UFC but I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls out because of the tests he'd have to take or that we'll see a very different fighter if he is completely clean.

Malcolm_Sex: Daniels: Sapper_Topo:

Although old-school wrestlers (Kevin Sullivan for one) believe UFC's finishes are also scripted.

Explain to me how this would even be possible

First, let me start by saying that I don't believe the UFC is scripted. Again, I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS SCRIPTED. But.... you really don't see how it could be possible? Possible? Come on. You've never heard of boxers taking dives? The Black Sox? Doping horses? Tim Donaghy? Any sport being fixed is possible. Except wife carrying. That shiat is real.

Doctor_TeethMD: Malcolm_Sex: Daniels: Sapper_Topo:

Although old-school wrestlers (Kevin Sullivan for one) believe UFC's finishes are also scripted.

Explain to me how this would even be possible

First, let me start by saying that I don't believe the UFC is scripted. Again, I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS SCRIPTED. But.... you really don't see how it could be possible? Possible? Come on. You've never heard of boxers taking dives? The Black Sox? Doping horses? Tim Donaghy? Any sport being fixed is possible. Except wife carrying. That shiat is real.

Can you picture that?

Lesnar concussion. As FNB pointed out, even in the wrestling world, I've never seen someome hit that move from that far away.

FirstNationalBastard: It was obvious to anyone that Angle was too far away. Was it the adrenaline that made Lesnar think "I can hit a Shooting Star Press even though Angle is over three quarters of the way across the ring."?

He'd done it before from that far. I saw him do one during a dark match a couple months before he debuted on TV.

Lumbar Puncture: FirstNationalBastard: It was obvious to anyone that Angle was too far away. Was it the adrenaline that made Lesnar think "I can hit a Shooting Star Press even though Angle is over three quarters of the way across the ring."?

He'd done it before from that far. I saw him do one during a dark match a couple months before he debuted on TV.

Video?

Jim from Saint Paul: Lumbar Puncture: FirstNationalBastard: It was obvious to anyone that Angle was too far away. Was it the adrenaline that made Lesnar think "I can hit a Shooting Star Press even though Angle is over three quarters of the way across the ring."?

He'd done it before from that far. I saw him do one during a dark match a couple months before he debuted on TV.

Video?

I don't have video from it, it was at the Target Center with him and Shelton as the Minnesota Stretching Crew versus the Maximos prior to a TV taping. There's a clip on Youtube with him doing on that looked like a similar distance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxlX2l25Utw

Moopy Mac: It's a possibility that Overeem gets pummeled on the ground by Lesnar, but he is much stronger and more explosive than Mir. And I doubt his gameplan will be "let Lesnar sit in my half guard and make hamburger helper out of my face".

Agreed. The only time Brock has ever been impressive was against much smaller guys like Mir and Coutur who he could just throw around with raw brute force. Any time he had to face a guy equally as big he hasn't had much success, other than Carwin who literally gassed himself out punching Brock in the head too many times. Allistair is a legit 260 lbs. Brock won't be able to throw him around like a rag doll. And if he tries to just recklessly shoot for the takedown, he's going to catch some worldclass, K1 champion caliber kickboxing knees to the face.

I don't see any way Brock wins unless Allistair is just off the reservation mentally and not checked into the match... which, admittedly is always a possibility for Overreem.

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Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.

I'd consider actually PAYING for WM to see that.

/won't happen

Malcolm_Sex: Daniels: Sapper_

Although old-school wrestlers (Kevin Sullivan for one) believe UFC's finishes are also scripted.

Explain to me how this would even be possible

There were cases of individual fighters deliberately "taking a dive" because their opponent was a friend or training partner. In the 3rd or 4th UFC Anthony "Mad Dog" Macias just ran headfirst into a guillotine choke for Oleg Taktarov. Hellen Keller could see he did it on purpose. Announcer Jim Brown said as much during the ppv.

There was a rumor that Don "The Predator" Frye paid Mark Hall to lose to him. During their fight they can be heard discussing when would be the best time for Mark to tap out to body blows.

Shortly before Pride FC went out of business Quinton "Rampage" Jackson went public with an allegation that they offered him a $5,000 bonus if he LOST to Kazushi Sakuraba by KO or sub. Pride officials never uttered so much as an "Nuh uh" in their defense.

Most of those were a long time ago (the UFC was under different managment back then). The only recent examples are just spectacular finishes that look like they should be in a Hollywood movie like Scott Smith vs Pete Sell or Matt Hughes vs Carlos Newton.

That being said, what the fark does a fake wrestling guy know about MMA finishes ?

Staging a good looking KO is more plausible than staging a submission. Look no further than the occasional WWF match trying to ape real submission holds in matches. They're absolutely cringe worthy because they're performed by guys that have never trained to use them for actual competition. Kurt Angle getting caught in a behind the back Kimura by Daniel Puder comes to mind.


Angle just had no farking idea how to begin to get out of that because it wasn't in the script. Puder might as well have twisted Angels arm off brought it home and mounted it over his fireplace and Puder is still a complete nobody in MMA.

Remember the "Brawl for All" ? The WWF's attempt at a "Toughman" style boxing match for the up and coming guys. The big problem with that was very few of the participants had ant "real" fight training. I think only "The Godfather" and (the eventual winner) Bart Gunn had done some "Toughman" boxing before their fake wrestling careers. The whole thing was set up to showcase how badassed "Dr Death" was and not only did he get clowned in a shoot he got injured on top of it. Macmahon was so pissed he fed Gunn to Eric "Butterbean" Esch on the following ppv. Gunn went from fighting guys that only know how to fake punch each other to fighting a for realz professional boxer (with not a too terrible record BTW). He. Was. Butchered. And then he just vanished. You or I could have stood in for Gunn and it wouldn't have looked any different. It was that bad.

One Bad Apple:

Remember the "Brawl for All" ? The WWF's attempt at a "Toughman" style boxing match for the up and coming guys. The big problem with that was very few of the participants had ant "real" fight training. I think only "The Godfather" and (the eventual winner) Bart Gunn had done some "Toughman" boxing before their fake wrestling careers. The whole thing was set up to showcase how badassed "Dr Death" was and not only did he get clowned in a shoot he got injured on top of it. Macmahon was so pissed he fed Gunn to Eric "Butterbean" Esch on the following ppv. Gunn went from fighting guys that only know how to fake punch each other to fighting a for realz professional boxer (with not a too terrible record BTW). He. Was. Butchered. And then he just vanished. You or I could have stood in for Gunn and it wouldn't have looked any different. It was that bad.

The entire 29 second fight.

Jim from Saint Paul: One Bad Apple:

Remember the "Brawl for All" ? The WWF's attempt at a "Toughman" style boxing match for the up and coming guys. The big problem with that was very few of the participants had ant "real" fight training. I think only "The Godfather" and (the eventual winner) Bart Gunn had done some "Toughman" boxing before their fake wrestling careers. The whole thing was set up to showcase how badassed "Dr Death" was and not only did he get clowned in a shoot he got injured on top of it. Macmahon was so pissed he fed Gunn to Eric "Butterbean" Esch on the following ppv. Gunn went from fighting guys that only know how to fake punch each other to fighting a for realz professional boxer (with not a too terrible record BTW). He. Was. Butchered. And then he just vanished. You or I could have stood in for Gunn and it wouldn't have looked any different. It was that bad.

The entire 29 second fight.

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I was at the first Monday Night Raw after the brand split, was at the end of a row of seats where Brock Lesnar and Paul E Dangerously stormed into the ring attacking the Hardy Boys. Brock ended up knocking my drink all over myself on the way in. I took a photo of them on their way back through the crowd. Snapped a flash in Paul E's fat face.
I'll post the pics sometime.

/csb?
//wwwyki

Representative of the unwashed masses: Jim from Saint Paul: No, it wasn't scripted that it would break.

Lesnar is a big fella.

When he left it was 'a shameful thing' (lobsterhead)

umm... it was rigged to break.

FirstNationalBastard: Smiths: Representative of the unwashed masses: Jim from Saint Paul: No, it wasn't scripted that it would break.

Lesnar is a big fella.

When he left it was 'a shameful thing' (lobsterhead)

umm... it was rigged to break.

The only person who didn't eventually realize the ring was rigged to collapse was

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I mean, come on... all the ring techs had to do was loosen up one turnbuckle support on the opposite side of the ring from where the guys were. Just look at the way the ring blows out... the turnbuckle opposite them blows out, and everything collapses... as though it had been rigged to do that.

It was a hell of a spot. But it was as real as every pro wrestling finish.

Huh. So is this just smarky conjecture or has anyone actually admitted to this?

scottydoesntknow: I figured he was talking about MMA, considering he's too scared to fight anyone that might present a challenge.

scottydoesntknow: Right now Overeem is my favorite HW fighter, he's just an absolute beast.

Well, which is it? Overeem can't be a beast while also not presenting a challenge to Lesnar.

Look, there are plenty of criticisms to lob at Lesnar. But being scared of a challenge? Look at his UFC opponents:

Frank Mir
Heath Herring
Randy Couture
Frank Mir
Shane Carwin
Cain Velasquez
Alistair Overeem

Lesnar has happily embraced every challenge the UFC has lobbed at him.

robsul82: FirstNationalBastard: I mean, come on... all the ring techs had to do was loosen up one turnbuckle support on the opposite side of the ring from where the guys were. Just look at the way the ring blows out... the turnbuckle opposite them blows out, and everything collapses... as though it had been rigged to do that.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE, CONTROLLED DEMOLITION MUCH?!?

/of course it was rigged to do that

It WAS real to me damnit.

:(

Jim from Saint Paul: Huh. So is this just smarky conjecture or has anyone actually admitted to this?

I remember Scherer mentioning it was set up and went off awesomely.

And the announcers sold it awesome too, esp Taz with his "WHAT THE FARK".

in other words:

Jim from Saint Paul: It WAS real to me damnit.

i live for others' disappointment.

GavinTheAlmighty: scottydoesntknow: I figured he was talking about MMA, considering he's too scared to fight anyone that might present a challenge.

scottydoesntknow: Right now Overeem is my favorite HW fighter, he's just an absolute beast.

Well, which is it? Overeem can't be a beast while also not presenting a challenge to Lesnar.

Look, there are plenty of criticisms to lob at Lesnar. But being scared of a challenge? Look at his UFC opponents:

Frank Mir
Heath Herring
Randy Couture
Frank Mir
Shane Carwin
Cain Velasquez
Alistair Overeem

Lesnar has happily embraced every challenge the UFC has lobbed at him.

In comparison, here's Reem's last 6 opponents...
Fabricio Werdum
Todd Duffe
Brett Rodgers
Kaz Fujita
James Thompson
Tony Sylvester

All respect for the above fighters that Reem fought... but seriously, these guys are not the same level as Mir, Couture, Carwin, and Velasquez.

Hell, Shogun and Liddell KO'd this guy... expecting this fight to be over early. Lesnar in a totally uneventful dry-humping of a win. TKO due to strikes. Meh.

FirstNationalBastard: Smiths: Representative of the unwashed masses: Jim from Saint Paul: No, it wasn't scripted that it would break.

Lesnar is a big fella.

When he left it was 'a shameful thing' (lobsterhead)

umm... it was rigged to break.

The only person who didn't eventually realize the ring was rigged to collapse was

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x240]

I mean, come on... all the ring techs had to do was loosen up one turnbuckle support on the opposite side of the ring from where the guys were. Just look at the way the ring blows out... the turnbuckle opposite them blows out, and everything collapses... as though it had been rigged to do that.

It was a hell of a spot. But it was as real as every pro wrestling finish.

Truthers trolling in my fWc thread? UNPOSSIBLE!

Babboonrash: GavinTheAlmighty: scottydoesntknow: I figured he was talking about MMA, considering he's too scared to fight anyone that might present a challenge.

scottydoesntknow: Right now Overeem is my favorite HW fighter, he's just an absolute beast.

Well, which is it? Overeem can't be a beast while also not presenting a challenge to Lesnar.

Look, there are plenty of criticisms to lob at Lesnar. But being scared of a challenge? Look at his UFC opponents:

Frank Mir
Heath Herring
Randy Couture
Frank Mir
Shane Carwin
Cain Velasquez
Alistair Overeem

Lesnar has happily embraced every challenge the UFC has lobbed at him.

In comparison, here's Reem's last 6 opponents...
Fabricio Werdum
Todd Duffe
Brett Rodgers
Kaz Fujita
James Thompson
Tony Sylvester

All respect for the above fighters that Reem fought... but seriously, these guys are not the same level as Mir, Couture, Carwin, and Velasquez.

Hell, Shogun and Liddell KO'd this guy... expecting this fight to be over early. Lesnar in a totally uneventful dry-humping of a win. TKO due to strikes. Meh.

When Shogun and Liddell fought Overeem, he was a 205-er early in his career in Pride where there was very little steroid testing. Since then he bulked up to 260 lbs (which I think is due to him using HGH or something like that) and was pretty dominant as a HW. I like him but I doubt he'll be that big and strong when he's subject to UFC's testing which (let's be honest) is on a different level than Pride. Even in his fights in Strikeforce he wasn't as big as he was in Pride.

However, he can still kick and knee like no other HW due to his kickboxing background and he might be able to keep Brock back due to that. I think that the winner of this match will be top 5 in UFC HW division with a shot at the belt with the loser probably seeing his last fight in UFC.

scottydoesntknow: I'm not saying he's unwilling or unable to fight, I'm saying he's just a poster-boy for UFC. Of course they're gonna want him getting big name fights, he sells UFC seats and makes them money. He has zero striking for such monsterous fists, and if he's unable to get on top, he does jack shiat except curl in a ball and wait for the bell to ring. He got a title fight after just 2 WINS (and a loss in between)!

His win over Carwin was pure luck as Carwin was completely gassed by the second round, and I hate it when people say Lesnar that using his face as a punching bag for 5 minutes was his strategy.

Velazquez showed just how unprepared Lesnar is as a HW fighter. He was absolutely demolished in every way possible. It seriously looked like a cat batting a mouse around just getting ready for the kill.

OK, so you think he's not a good fighter. That's fine. As I said, there are criticisms to be lobbed at him. But how does that relate to your assertion that he is scared to fight anyone who presents a challenge? Those are two entirely different points. And considering he just got beaten down by Cain Velasquez and is recovering from diverticulitis, isn't it kind of strange to say that he's avoiding challenges by facing Alistair Overeem, a man who you described as "an absolute beast"?

Poster boy, PPV seller, sure. Good fighter? Subjective. But afraid of a challenge? One would have to have a pretty farked up definition of that to accuse Lesnar of it.