FARK.com: (6638124) Okay, you're not gonna believe this but Microsoft--yes, that Microsoft--is saying that Chrome and Firefox are insecure

		Okay, you're not gonna believe this but Microsoft--yes, that Microsoft--is saying that Chrome and Firefox are insecure (theregister.co.uk)		71
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PainInTheASP

2011-10-12 07:24:55 AM

Submitter, your a dumbass.

Joe USer

2011-10-12 08:11:56 AM

Okay, you're not gonna believe this but Microsoft--yes, that Microsoft-became serious about security about 8 years ago and now has a better security record than Mozilla or Google.

GAT_00

2011-10-12 08:59:31 AM

Joe USer: Okay, you're not gonna believe this but Microsoft--yes, that Microsoft-became serious about security about 8 years ago and now has a better security record than Mozilla or Google.

Mac and Linux people haven't realized that the lot of us aren't running Windows ME anymore, despite their never ending self congratulatory attitude that they are really up to date.

Secret Agent X23

2011-10-12 09:11:46 AM

You mean to say there's a company claiming its product is better than the competition's product? No way! I've never heard of such a thing.

palladiate

2011-10-12 09:43:30 AM

Joe USer: now has a better security record than Mozilla or Google.

When you count disclosed vulnerabilities. MS still has a pretty crappy track record of disclosing, or even acknowledging, security issues.

WinoRhino

2011-10-12 10:04:31 AM

Newsflash: As browsers gain market share it becomes worthwhile for people to exploit their already existing security vulnerabilities.

ha-ha-guy

2011-10-12 10:06:21 AM

Did Firefox itself ever stop being a virus? I forget what version I was running, but the damn browser decided it wanted all the RAM and took it. I liked FF well enough, but Chrome is my new friend now.

redmid17

2011-10-12 10:10:39 AM

GAT_00: Joe USer: Okay, you're not gonna believe this but Microsoft--yes, that Microsoft-became serious about security about 8 years ago and now has a better security record than Mozilla or Google.

Mac and Linux people haven't realized that the lot of us aren't running Windows ME anymore, despite their never ending self congratulatory attitude that they are really up to date.

Despite my best efforts, my grandpa ran Windows ME until his computer died 3 years ago. I replaced it with an newer, old machine with a locked down Win XP with the classic theme and a few more tweaks. My grandpa thought I hadn't replaced the computer, the kicker being he didn't want a new OS because he didn't "want to learn a new computer again."

/head->wall

maverickzy

2011-10-12 10:10:40 AM

That headline seems a little irregardless.

OnlyM3

2011-10-12 10:12:09 AM

PainInTheASP
Submitter, your a dumbass.

// Initially I grabbed the image just for M.S. Now it fits others as well
// you're != your

wmoonfox

2011-10-12 10:12:56 AM

FF gives you the tools necessary to make it secure: plugins -- namely, AdBlock, NoScript, IETabs, WOT, etc.

IE is designed from the ground up to resist modification, denying you the ability to manage your own security stance.

FARTNOISE FARTNOISE JUNIOR

2011-10-12 10:14:10 AM

Petit_Merdeux

2011-10-12 10:15:20 AM

GAT_00: Mac and Linux people haven't realized that the lot of us aren't running Windows ME anymore, despite their never ending self congratulatory attitude that they are really up to date.

Yeah. I heard something about a Win95 with Mick Jagger or something like that.

Glad to hear it was immune to virii.

kanedasan

2011-10-12 10:16:09 AM

Yes, MS does take security very seriously. Yes, they do update IE. No, they do not update it as often as Firefox (once every six months as compared with monthly updates), and no they do not have a better track record than Firefox. I won't speak as to Chrome or Safari.

tgregory

2011-10-12 10:23:30 AM

Desktop platform wars are soooo pre-iPhone.

macdaddy357

2011-10-12 10:25:41 AM

IE screws up things as simple as sending out webmail. It sucks! It is also a rip-off of Chrome. Chrome does track you for advertisers. Use Firefox.

Playinodds

2011-10-12 10:26:26 AM

kanedasan: Yes, MS does take security very seriously. Yes, they do update IE. No, they do not update it as often as Firefox (once every six months as compared with monthly updates), and no they do not have a better track record than Firefox. I won't speak as to Chrome or Safari.

ms puts out security updates for ie via windows update all the time. once every 6 months?

kanedasan

2011-10-12 10:29:20 AM

Playinodds: kanedasan: Yes, MS does take security very seriously. Yes, they do update IE. No, they do not update it as often as Firefox (once every six months as compared with monthly updates), and no they do not have a better track record than Firefox. I won't speak as to Chrome or Safari.

ms puts out security updates for ie via windows update all the time. once every 6 months?

/Critical updates for Windows that sometimes include IE come out every 4 weeks or so, but major updates for IE only occur every 6 months. They're development schedule is majorly stagnated as compared with Firefox.

kanedasan

2011-10-12 10:29:57 AM

s/They're/Their

PainInTheASP

2011-10-12 10:36:03 AM

OnlyM3: PainInTheASP
Submitter, your a dumbass.
[www.jcnot4me.com image 229x123]

// Initially I grabbed the image just for M.S. Now it fits others as well
// you're != your

:-)

coinspinner

2011-10-12 10:41:11 AM

IE sucks, Firefox sucks, Chrome sucks. Pick one.

styckx

2011-10-12 10:41:16 AM

Firefox has got really farking shiatty in the past few versions or so. Chrome > *

Rose McGowan Loveslave

2011-10-12 10:45:12 AM

insecure?

Do you mean they have confrontation issues or that they just cannot get laid?

TNel

2011-10-12 10:53:47 AM

wmoonfox: FF gives you the tools necessary to make it secure: plugins -- namely, AdBlock, NoScript, IETabs, WOT, etc.

IE is designed from the ground up to resist modification, denying you the ability to manage your own security stance.

So the end user must install 4 plugins to get the same functionality of IE out of the box is what you are saying?

AngryHoneyBadger

2011-10-12 10:56:33 AM

Gee, its easy to pass a test when you make up your own questions/requirements.

"Little Bobbie Drop%20Tables doesn't know who signed the Bill of Rights. Lets just leave that part out of the test."

Hand Banana

2011-10-12 10:56:53 AM

PainInTheASP: Submitter, your a dumbass.

InfrasonicTom

2011-10-12 10:57:35 AM

TNel: wmoonfox: FF gives you the tools necessary to make it secure: plugins -- namely, AdBlock, NoScript, IETabs, WOT, etc.

IE is designed from the ground up to resist modification, denying you the ability to manage your own security stance.

So the end user must install 4 plugins to get the same functionality of IE out of the box is what you are saying?

no.

Whatthefark

2011-10-12 11:09:12 AM

wmoonfox: FF gives you the tools necessary to make it secure: plugins -- namely, AdBlock, NoScript, IETabs, WOT, etc.

As of right now, those plugins aren't compatible with FF7. It wouldn't be a problem, but FF decided to update itself one morning and I've been bombarded with ads ever since.

I don't understand why they can't make the most popular plugin compatible before rolling out a FF update. Of course, it still sucks RAM and hangs on closing.

Also, IE can be configured to be secure. gpedit.msc is your friend.

Skyfrog

2011-10-12 11:15:07 AM

IE9 is very secure actually, though the interface is terrible.

wmoonfox

2011-10-12 11:21:58 AM

TNel: So the end user must install 4 plugins to get the same functionality of IE out of the box is what you are saying?

IE has none of that functionality, but thanks for trying.

Tigersmind

2011-10-12 11:22:01 AM

Hot shiat, I always wanted to do this!

/Summon Linux_Yes

wmoonfox

2011-10-12 11:24:39 AM

Whatthefark: As of right now, those plugins aren't compatible with FF7.

Yes, they are. I'm running them right now, with the exception of WOT. FF7 introduced a bug which caused some plugins to silently uninstall because of a perceived compatibility issue. Just go reinstall the plugin, and you'll be golden.

Marine1

2011-10-12 11:26:43 AM

wmoonfox: FF gives you the tools necessary to make it secure: plugins -- namely, AdBlock, NoScript, IETabs, WOT, etc.

IE is designed from the ground up to resist modification, denying you the ability to manage your own security stance.

There's a reason for that, actually. IE plays to the enterprise crowd. Know why it's the preferred web browser for business? Because the IT department can modify thousands of IE clients on a network from Active Directory. It's not designed for individual customization. It's designed for mass customization. This is actually true of most Microsoft desktop software.

Either way, IE 9 is actually pretty good. With its release, there are basically no more bad web browsers, only ones that are better than others, if that makes sense.

imfallen_angel

2011-10-12 11:28:12 AM

Wow, just wow, I don't get viruses and crap....haven't since as lot as I can remember... did a spyware scan a month ago after over 6 months, and had something like 2 cookies that were "possible" hazards (low range).

If people stopped going to bad sites all the time, and registering for everything, and clicking those pop-ups, maybe they'd not get bad things.

It's pretty sad when I have people tell me that they don't understand why they keep having trouble...it's all MS's fault... and not theirs even if they do shut down their anti-virus and such because it's blocking that free software they got from a friend's friend, or from this really nice website that lets you download free stuff.

wmoonfox

2011-10-12 11:29:23 AM

Marine1: There's a reason for that, actually. IE plays to the enterprise crowd. Know why it's the preferred web browser for business? Because the IT department can modify thousands of IE clients on a network from Active Directory. It's not designed for individual customization. It's designed for mass customization. This is actually true of most Microsoft desktop software.

I did not mean to suggest otherwise.

brantgoose

2011-10-12 11:31:05 AM

As far as the loading of tabs and things is concerned, all browsers seem to be about the same for me--at least in real time.

But Firefox 7 is driving me up the wall. I've removed it several times and tried earlier versions because Firefox always seems to become a black hole of memory when they update it. The last couple of versions have been hanging also, but at least I can load tabs. The ancient version they have at work is OK.

Somebody suggested clearing the history and cache, which helped, but is not a permanent solution. I also tried modifying the maximum number of whatzits allowed (reducing it from 256 to 32). I have to close and re-open Firefox several times. Meanwhile I have Chrome and Safari and IE 8(?) and they don't seem to be Speedy Gonzalez either.

My computer is not a bad machine and not agèd by any means. I wish I had more geek skillz so I knew what settings to change, how, and what happens when I do.

I can't blame the machine (like many noobs do) but clearly there is a big difference between my machines at home and the one at work. What's the last completely stable and clean-running Firefox version?

I don't need the thing running to over a megabyte of memory and freezing up at random times. I don't find much advantage in any of the other browsers though, or I'd switch rather than fight.

brantgoose

2011-10-12 11:32:42 AM

SNUCSS: Situation Normal: Updated Computer Software Sucks.

mongbiohazard

2011-10-12 11:33:09 AM

coinspinner: IE sucks, Firefox sucks, Chrome sucks. Pick one.

Then pick Opera. I always had a good experience using Opera, and since they have less market share they're a smaller target for the bad guys.

I'm using Chrome now, and loving it, but I like to switch every year or two, and I'll probably go back to using Opera soon.

TNel

2011-10-12 11:33:28 AM

wmoonfox: TNel: So the end user must install 4 plugins to get the same functionality of IE out of the box is what you are saying?

IE has none of that functionality, but thanks for trying.

IE needs IEtabs?, WOT seems to be very similar to smartscreen, adblock - eh that really isn't compelling at all, if it pains you so much that you can't view a 120x60 picture then I think you have issues. NoScript - eh if you don't want java run just "Internet Options > Security tab > Security level > Custom level > Disable Scripting"

wmoonfox

2011-10-12 11:35:17 AM

TNel: words

In other words, you are wrong. Got it.

TNel

2011-10-12 11:38:20 AM

wmoonfox: TNel: words

In other words, you are wrong. Got it.

Then I'm done responding to you since you have nothing further to contribute to this discussion. Have a nice day and enjoy whatever browser floats your boat.

Bad MS for making a browser that is better than the holier than thou FireFox.

kanedasan

2011-10-12 11:38:37 AM

TNel: wmoonfox: TNel: So the end user must install 4 plugins to get the same functionality of IE out of the box is what you are saying?

IE has none of that functionality, but thanks for trying.

IE needs IEtabs?, WOT seems to be very similar to smartscreen, adblock - eh that really isn't compelling at all, if it pains you so much that you can't view a 120x60 picture then I think you have issues. NoScript - eh if you don't want java run just "Internet Options > Security tab > Security level > Custom level > Disable Scripting"

/NoScript disables all scripts, including Flash, Java, JavaScript, etc, and there's nothing that compares for Chrome, Safari, or IE in terms of flexibility. AdBlock plus is a nice add-on, but not as essential as NoScript.

coinspinner

2011-10-12 11:40:14 AM

mongbiohazard: ience using Opera, and since they have less market share they're a smaller target for the bad guys.

I'm using Chrome now, and loving it, but I like to switch every year or two, and I'll probably go back to using Opera soon.

I use Opera on my phone and really like it. For their desktop release though, I like it less and less with each upgrade they give it. Not really sure why.

My larger problem is that none of the browsers plays well with my company's website's CMS, for which I am responsible. This is more of a problem with our hosting company, but the only browser that I can effectively manage the site from is Firefox v3 or earlier. The others won't even let me log in to the system, and Chrome especially just does...weird things to the code.

/really, it's just time for a new website, but that's above my paygrade

wmoonfox

2011-10-12 11:46:05 AM

TNel: snippy reply

You can get snippy about it all day long. You're still wrong: adblock selectively blocks urls using filters that can be modified on the fly; noscript blocks all scripts, giving the user the ability to construct whitelists; ietabs allows the user to render a page in a different browser to address compatibility issues; wot makes use of user ratings and security reviews to grade pages on their safety, to protect the less savvy among your user base. IE has none of these features "out of the box".

So, go fark yourself, you pretentious prick.

ReverendJasen

2011-10-12 12:15:04 PM

wmoonfox: You're still wrong: adblock selectively blocks urls using filters that can be modified on the fly; noscript blocks all scripts, giving the user the ability to construct whitelists; ietabs allows the user to render a page in a different browser to address compatibility issues; wot makes use of user ratings and security reviews to grade pages on their safety, to protect the less savvy among your user base. IE has none of these features "out of the box".

I don't think there's even a way to modify it to give it those features. Even if I could, I've spent way too much time over the last decade fixing people's computers who got farked over by IE letting in spyware and viruses, that I will never use IE again, just out of principle.

unyon

2011-10-12 12:17:52 PM

GAT_00: Joe USer: Okay, you're not gonna believe this but Microsoft--yes, that Microsoft-became serious about security about 8 years ago and now has a better security record than Mozilla or Google.

Mac and Linux people haven't realized that the lot of us aren't running Windows ME anymore, despite their never ending self congratulatory attitude that they are really up to date.

Many Windows apologists apparently haven't realized yet that that's not even the point. And I'm a guy that makes his living supporting Windows networks.

bemis23

2011-10-12 12:30:14 PM

kanedasan: Playinodds: kanedasan: Yes, MS does take security very seriously. Yes, they do update IE. No, they do not update it as often as Firefox (once every six months as compared with monthly updates), and no they do not have a better track record than Firefox. I won't speak as to Chrome or Safari.

ms puts out security updates for ie via windows update all the time. once every 6 months?

/Critical updates for Windows that sometimes include IE come out every 4 weeks or so, but major updates for IE only occur every 6 months. They're development schedule is majorly stagnated as compared with Firefox.

Wow, stop looking at version numbers, and actually look at patch notes. Mozilla said they wanted to get away from the ridiculous Firefox V3.5.12.64a naming scheme. Now they use a "rapid-release" scheme where they introduce changes at a rapid pace with new version numbers, but those chages are typically non-major. Look at the cumulative gain in functionality or security from Firefox 5 to 6 to 7. Now look at the change from IE7 to IE8 to IE9. Notice a difference?

For example: the biggest change from Firefox 5 ot 6.....the domain name highlights in the address bar. WOW WHAT AN IMPROVEMENT.

/Can't believe i'm actually sticking up for MS

theurge14

2011-10-12 12:34:43 PM

Rose McGowan Loveslave: insecure?

Do you mean they have confrontation issues or that they just cannot get laid?

Microsoft McFly.

wmoonfox

2011-10-12 12:39:19 PM

bemis23: Wow, stop looking at version numbers, and actually look at patch notes.

I think he was referring more to the fact that Microsoft prefers to release their patch bundles on a regular schedule -- Patch Tuesday. That occurs roughly every four weeks, with exceptions made for extremely urgent security fixes. Anything else gets pushed down the road to the next minor or major release.

I'm not sure what you two are disagreeing over, actually...

TDBoedy

2011-10-12 12:44:04 PM

wmoonfox: bemis23: Wow, stop looking at version numbers, and actually look at patch notes.

I think he was referring more to the fact that Microsoft prefers to release their patch bundles on a regular schedule -- Patch Tuesday. That occurs roughly every four weeks, with exceptions made for extremely urgent security fixes. Anything else gets pushed down the road to the next minor or major release.

I'm not sure what you two are disagreeing over, actually...

they aren't. This is more like me arguing with my mother who decided to pick a fight over something meaningless.

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