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2011-10-11 12:56:10 PM

wmoonfox: gwendolyyyn: 7wolf: gwendolyyyn:

Are we?

no.

Why did you have to go and rain on my parade?
:(

We cannot be judged by the worst of us any more than we can be judged by the best of us. Generally speaking, yes, we're better than that.

/rainbow


I dunno, I think the average person would be too grossed out to do it themselves, but too apathetic to care if someone else did it for them.
 
2011-10-11 12:59:15 PM

RexTalionis: Pigs are smart animals (smarter than a dog, anyway) with real personalities. I don't see how one can logically support eating pork and be against eating a dog.


BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE BACON OUT OF A DOG.
 
2011-10-11 01:01:44 PM
 
2011-10-11 01:02:47 PM
If you look real hard, you'll notice a pet pig in this picture.
i.dailymail.co.uk

/artificial construct indeed
 
2011-10-11 01:03:32 PM

Bonkthat_Again: [img685.imageshack.us image 452x640]


Aww I has a sad now...
 
2011-10-11 01:07:10 PM

Cythraul: Dogs are animals, so are pigs and cows. We eat animals. Why is eating a dog technically any different than eating a pig?


Humans are animals, so are pigs and cows. We eat animals. Why is eating a human technically any different than eating a pig?
 
2011-10-11 01:07:13 PM

Diphtheria: The only reason we don't eat people is 'cause they taste lousy.


Believe it or not, cannibals often report that people taste like pork (hence why human meat is referred to as "long pig" in some cannibalistic societies).
 
2011-10-11 01:07:22 PM
Dog, its whats for dinner.
 
2011-10-11 01:09:12 PM

Skyfrog: Humans are animals, so are pigs and cows. We eat animals. Why is eating a human technically any different than eating a pig?


It isn't. There are tribes that ate human flesh for thousands of years.

Meat is just meat.
 
2011-10-11 01:09:23 PM
If you do decide to eat puppy, make sure to brine soak it first for tenderness.

Remember, all puppies are a little chewy.



/I'm here all week, folks
//Try the fish.
 
2011-10-11 01:09:36 PM
I've raised cattle & chickens, both have personalities. Still eat both.
 
2011-10-11 01:09:49 PM
Going with the whole 'when in Rome' thing, I had dog in Korea, and it tasted like beef roast. Very tender. I love dogs, grew up around plenty of them, and will never eat it again, but it was tasty. Flame me if you'd like, but just because dogs are pets here doesn't mean they are considered as such elsewhere.
 
2011-10-11 01:11:54 PM

Zmog: If you look real hard, you'll notice a pet pig in this picture.


/artificial construct indeed


Liar. I stared and studied that picture, never saw the pig.
 
2011-10-11 01:12:24 PM

Skyfrog: Cythraul: Dogs are animals, so are pigs and cows. We eat animals. Why is eating a dog technically any different than eating a pig?

Humans are animals, so are pigs and cows. We eat animals. Why is eating a human technically any different than eating a pig?


Extreme argument is EXTREME! You obviously win.
 
2011-10-11 01:12:24 PM
If dogs tasted better than pigs we would eat dogs. It probably also stems from what early man used these animals for. They hunted pigs and other animals with dogs not the other way around.
 
2011-10-11 01:12:28 PM
No other two species on the planet have the relationship - including shared history and interdependence - that humans and dogs have. We relied on one another to get to the stage we find ourselves in today. That is more than enough reason not to eat a dog.
 
2011-10-11 01:12:41 PM

7wolf: I dunno, I think the average person would be too grossed out to do it themselves, but too apathetic to care if someone else did it for them.


I think the average person might be okay with it in a starvation scenario, but, given the choice between a cow steak and a dog steak, would probably choose the former.
 
2011-10-11 01:13:23 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: Aww I has a sad now...


Forgot to add #11 : Please do not eat me.
 
2011-10-11 01:13:38 PM

Skyfrog: Cythraul: Dogs are animals, so are pigs and cows. We eat animals. Why is eating a dog technically any different than eating a pig?

Humans are animals, so are pigs and cows. We eat animals. Why is eating a human technically any different than eating a pig?


Actual serious answer:

Because humans are the prime carriers of human diseases. Most stuff like this don't spread between spieces. But if we eat our own, no such luck.
 
2011-10-11 01:14:41 PM

gshepnyc: No other two species on the planet have the relationship - including shared history and interdependence - that humans and dogs have. We relied on one another to get to the stage we find ourselves in today. That is more than enough reason not to eat a dog.


This, too.
 
2011-10-11 01:15:44 PM
this is what we should be eating.....
www.motifake.com
 
2011-10-11 01:17:06 PM

wmoonfox: 7wolf: I dunno, I think the average person would be too grossed out to do it themselves, but too apathetic to care if someone else did it for them.

I think the average person might be okay with it in a starvation scenario, but, given the choice between a cow steak and a dog steak, would probably choose the former.


Was referring to the treatment pre-death.
 
kab
2011-10-11 01:17:12 PM

Cythraul: Are you suggesting we start to eat other people?


Why not, they're just animals.

We have no problems labeling some of our species as enemies, and then killing them all off in rather horrific ways. Might as well make some fried dumplings while we're at it.
 
2011-10-11 01:18:11 PM

Zmog: If you look real hard, you'll notice a pet pig in this picture.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x550]

/artificial construct indeed


I'm disappointed in myself because it broke down like this:

1. GIRL, LOOKAHDEMSHOOS.
2. Is that a Laughing Cow T-shirt? AWESOME!
3. PIGGY! \o/
4. Say, she's hot. (The girl, not the piggy.)
 
2011-10-11 01:20:06 PM

kab: We have no problems labeling some of our species as enemies, and then killing them all off in rather horrific ways. Might as well make some fried dumplings while we're at it.


You know, that's not a bad idea. Re-equip the flamethrower as a front-line weapon, and your troops can augment their food stores with barbecue on demand. Brilliant!
 
2011-10-11 01:20:54 PM
Sarcastica75

Zmog: If you look real hard, you'll notice a pet pig in this picture.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x550]

/artificial construct indeed

I'm disappointed in myself because it broke down like this:

1. GIRL, LOOKAHDEMSHOOS.
2. Is that a Laughing Cow T-shirt? AWESOME!
3. PIGGY! \o/
4. Say, she's hot. (The girl, not the piggy.)



you noticed the shoes first? Ahhh - yeah.....that's not gay.
 
2011-10-11 01:21:59 PM

gshepnyc: No other two species on the planet have the relationship - including shared history and interdependence - that humans and dogs have. We relied on one another to get to the stage we find ourselves in today. That is more than enough reason not to eat a dog.


What an overstatement, and not remotely true.

If anything, the most valuable animal to humanity is cattle. While dogs were sniffing each other's butts in the jungle, humans had domesticated cattle and were using them to plow farms, using them for milk and sustenance, eating them when they grew old, and using their skins for clothing. Entire nations have been fed on cattle meat while dogs sat around doing not much of anything.

Other animals such as horses have been just as important, if not much more important, as travel and war companions. When was the last time you heard about a famed dog cavalry breaking the lines of an enemy army? Yeah, you didn't, because it was horses that threw themselves onto pikes because of the relations that they formed with their human masters.

Cats have been just as important. Who have people turned to consistently for pest control, to kill rats on farms? That's right, cats, because dogs are too dumb to catch mice.

You can like dogs all you want, but claiming they've helped humanity evolve is patently ridiculous.
 
2011-10-11 01:24:42 PM
icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com
 
2011-10-11 01:24:59 PM

Wizzin: Pigs = bacon


Puppies = barcon.
 
2011-10-11 01:25:48 PM

karnal: Sarcastica75

Zmog: If you look real hard, you'll notice a pet pig in this picture.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x550]

/artificial construct indeed

I'm disappointed in myself because it broke down like this:

1. GIRL, LOOKAHDEMSHOOS.
2. Is that a Laughing Cow T-shirt? AWESOME!
3. PIGGY! \o/
4. Say, she's hot. (The girl, not the piggy.)


you noticed the shoes first? Ahhh - yeah.....that's not gay.


The Internet, where everyone is presumed male until proven otherwise.
 
2011-10-11 01:26:35 PM

karnal: Sarcastica75

Zmog: If you look real hard, you'll notice a pet pig in this picture.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x550]

/artificial construct indeed

I'm disappointed in myself because it broke down like this:

1. GIRL, LOOKAHDEMSHOOS.
2. Is that a Laughing Cow T-shirt? AWESOME!
3. PIGGY! \o/
4. Say, she's hot. (The girl, not the piggy.)


you noticed the shoes first? Ahhh - yeah.....that's not gay.


my point is: not gay enough.
 
2011-10-11 01:29:58 PM
By the way... Has anyone pointed out that in the west we take pigs, grind them into paste, squeeze them out, and call them dogs?
 
2011-10-11 01:30:12 PM

natmar_76: gshepnyc: No other two species on the planet have the relationship - including shared history and interdependence - that humans and dogs have. We relied on one another to get to the stage we find ourselves in today. That is more than enough reason not to eat a dog.

What an overstatement, and not remotely true.

If anything, the most valuable animal to humanity is cattle. While dogs were sniffing each other's butts in the jungle, humans had domesticated cattle and were using them to plow farms, using them for milk and sustenance, eating them when they grew old, and using their skins for clothing. Entire nations have been fed on cattle meat while dogs sat around doing not much of anything.

Other animals such as horses have been just as important, if not much more important, as travel and war companions. When was the last time you heard about a famed dog cavalry breaking the lines of an enemy army? Yeah, you didn't, because it was horses that threw themselves onto pikes because of the relations that they formed with their human masters.

Cats have been just as important. Who have people turned to consistently for pest control, to kill rats on farms? That's right, cats, because dogs are too dumb to catch mice.

You can like dogs all you want, but claiming they've helped humanity evolve is patently ridiculous.


Guess how I know you don't know what you are talking about? All the animals you mention have amazing relationships with human beings but none of them do the many distinct things that dogs have done with and for us.

There are countless works on the subject but you can start here:

http://neuroanthropology.net/2010/08/23/the-dog-human-connection-in-e v olution/

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100720123639.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2498669.stm

http://www.globalanimal.org/2010/09/21/would-we-be-here-without-dogs- c ats-and-cows/10663/dog-owner-zoom/

Learn something, maybe.
 
2011-10-11 01:30:13 PM

Zmog: The Internet, where everyone is presumed male until proven otherwise.


actually, i kind of prefer it that way. i would most prefer to be perceived genderless, but i'll take male over the usual nonsense chicks who aren't here to announce how big their boob sizes are in comparison with a celebrity and otherwise fishing for compliments and e-cock have to put up with. which is why tfd bores me to no end.

/except the jorie threads. that's worth the $5 for the wtflolbbq factor.
 
2011-10-11 01:30:17 PM
Also, before someone brings up the stupid Roman dog corps, that was a tiny portion of one army. It's nowhere near the prevalence of war horses in world history. A pack of dog handlers might have helped win one or two fights, but Mongolian cavalry broke the backs of both Europe and Asia.

Then there's travel. Did people ride on dogs backs to migrate across America? No, they used horses. Did the puppy express deliver mail across the nation? No, it was horses.

Horses are even more intelligent than dogs, yet people eat horses. Cows are more intelligent and social than dogs, yet we eat cows. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs, yet we eat pigs.

It's not a matter of dogs being less tasty. It's not a matter of dogs being more intelligent. It's simply a cultural norm.

Like dogs all you want, but they are animals and if you condone eating beef or chicken, or even fish, there is nothing wrong with eating dog.
 
2011-10-11 01:30:44 PM

karnal: Sarcastica75

Zmog: If you look real hard, you'll notice a pet pig in this picture.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x550]

/artificial construct indeed

I'm disappointed in myself because it broke down like this:

1. GIRL, LOOKAHDEMSHOOS.
2. Is that a Laughing Cow T-shirt? AWESOME!
3. PIGGY! \o/
4. Say, she's hot. (The girl, not the piggy.)


you noticed the shoes first? Ahhh - yeah.....that's not gay.


Know how I know you don't look at people's profiles?

/clicking a mouse button once is HARD
 
2011-10-11 01:31:14 PM

Zmog: By the way... Has anyone pointed out that in the west we take pigs, grind them into paste, squeeze them out, and call them dogs?


that's hot.

/i am ashamed of that joke.
 
2011-10-11 01:32:36 PM

natmar_76: gshepnyc: No other two species on the planet have the relationship - including shared history and interdependence - that humans and dogs have. We relied on one another to get to the stage we find ourselves in today. That is more than enough reason not to eat a dog.

What an overstatement, and not remotely true.

If anything, the most valuable animal to humanity is cattle. While dogs were sniffing each other's butts in the jungle, humans had domesticated cattle and were using them to plow farms, using them for milk and sustenance, eating them when they grew old, and using their skins for clothing. Entire nations have been fed on cattle meat while dogs sat around doing not much of anything.

Other animals such as horses have been just as important, if not much more important, as travel and war companions. When was the last time you heard about a famed dog cavalry breaking the lines of an enemy army? Yeah, you didn't, because it was horses that threw themselves onto pikes because of the relations that they formed with their human masters.

Cats have been just as important. Who have people turned to consistently for pest control, to kill rats on farms? That's right, cats, because dogs are too dumb to catch mice.

You can like dogs all you want, but claiming they've helped humanity evolve is patently ridiculous.


And speaking of "not remotely true" you are factually incorrect to state that humans domesticated cattle before dogs. Dogs and then sheep were first. Cattle were down the line later.
 
2011-10-11 01:34:34 PM

gshepnyc: http://www.globalanimal.org/2010/09/21/would-we-be-here-without-dogs- c ats-and-cows/10663/dog-owner-zoom/


5000 years difference is meaningless in the overall point of argument: eating dogs is not wrong, just as eating cows is not, unless you maintain that eating any animal is wrong.

Do you think some weird magic happened within a few thousand years of difference between cattle and dog domestication? Do you think that someone domesticating a dog on the other side of the world magically changed genetics in humans on the other side?

Humans domesticate animals because we can, not because there's some kind of dog magic that invades our bodies like a symbiote and makes us into new humans.

Use some logic.
 
2011-10-11 01:35:45 PM

Sarcastica75: Zmog: The Internet, where everyone is presumed male until proven otherwise.

actually, i kind of prefer it that way. i would most prefer to be perceived genderless, but i'll take male over the usual nonsense chicks who aren't here to announce how big their boob sizes are in comparison with a celebrity and otherwise fishing for compliments and e-cock have to put up with. which is why tfd bores me to no end.

/except the jorie threads. that's worth the $5 for the wtflolbbq factor.


All right, you win. I will not send e-cock.
 
2011-10-11 01:35:56 PM
Come at me bro.


www.guzer.com
 
2011-10-11 01:36:22 PM

gshepnyc: And speaking of "not remotely true" you are factually incorrect to state that humans domesticated cattle before dogs. Dogs and then sheep were first. Cattle were down the line later.


Still meaningless to the greater point of contention, unless your argument is that there is some kind of magic bond between humans and dogs which is not shared between humans and sheep, or humans and cattle, or humans and horses, or humans and cats, simply due to a few thousand years of difference in domestication.

And if that's your point, then I'm going to laugh at you.
 
2011-10-11 01:36:47 PM
My mom ate dog in the Philippines and when she went outside of the restaurant a dog was barking at her.
She hid under a vehicle after that.
...She was drunk.
 
2011-10-11 01:38:05 PM

natmar_76: gshepnyc: No other two species on the planet have the relationship - including shared history and interdependence - that humans and dogs have. We relied on one another to get to the stage we find ourselves in today. That is more than enough reason not to eat a dog.

What an overstatement, and not remotely true.

If anything, the most valuable animal to humanity is cattle. While dogs were sniffing each other's butts in the jungle, humans had domesticated cattle and were using them to plow farms, using them for milk and sustenance, eating them when they grew old, and using their skins for clothing. Entire nations have been fed on cattle meat while dogs sat around doing not much of anything.

Other animals such as horses have been just as important, if not much more important, as travel and war companions. When was the last time you heard about a famed dog cavalry breaking the lines of an enemy army? Yeah, you didn't, because it was horses that threw themselves onto pikes because of the relations that they formed with their human masters.

Cats have been just as important. Who have people turned to consistently for pest control, to kill rats on farms? That's right, cats, because dogs are too dumb to catch mice.

You can like dogs all you want, but claiming they've helped humanity evolve is patently ridiculous.


I don't have time on my lunch break to explain in detail just how wrong you are point by point. Just suffice it for now to say, go look up when dogs were domesticated vs. when cows were domesticated.
 
2011-10-11 01:38:20 PM

Too Pretty For Prison: RexTalionis: Pigs are smart animals (smarter than a dog, anyway) with real personalities. I don't see how one can logically support eating pork and be against eating a dog.

BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE BACON OUT OF A DOG.


But once you can my neighbors had better lock up their dogs at night.
 
2011-10-11 01:40:07 PM
Zmog

karnal: Sarcastica75

Zmog: If you look real hard, you'll notice a pet pig in this picture.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x550]

/artificial construct indeed

I'm disappointed in myself because it broke down like this:

1. GIRL, LOOKAHDEMSHOOS.
2. Is that a Laughing Cow T-shirt? AWESOME!
3. PIGGY! \o/
4. Say, she's hot. (The girl, not the piggy.)


you noticed the shoes first? Ahhh - yeah.....that's not gay.

The Internet, where everyone is presumed male until proven otherwise.


You are right - I did assume/presume. Shame on me and shame on the manufacturer of those shoes. Hideous!
 
2011-10-11 01:40:20 PM

Zmog: Sarcastica75: Zmog: The Internet, where everyone is presumed male until proven otherwise.

actually, i kind of prefer it that way. i would most prefer to be perceived genderless, but i'll take male over the usual nonsense chicks who aren't here to announce how big their boob sizes are in comparison with a celebrity and otherwise fishing for compliments and e-cock have to put up with. which is why tfd bores me to no end.

/except the jorie threads. that's worth the $5 for the wtflolbbq factor.

All right, you win. I will not send e-cock.


Me, neither.

*shakes on it*

/that's what he said.
 
2011-10-11 01:40:22 PM

natmar_76: gshepnyc: http://www.globalanimal.org/2010/09/21/would-we-be-here-without-dogs- c ats-and-cows/10663/dog-owner-zoom/

5000 years difference is meaningless in the overall point of argument: eating dogs is not wrong, just as eating cows is not, unless you maintain that eating any animal is wrong.

Do you think some weird magic happened within a few thousand years of difference between cattle and dog domestication? Do you think that someone domesticating a dog on the other side of the world magically changed genetics in humans on the other side?

Humans domesticate animals because we can, not because there's some kind of dog magic that invades our bodies like a symbiote and makes us into new humans.

Use some logic.


5,000 years is meaningless given 10,000-25,000 year window? Really?

And calling what amounts to a mutual domestication between humans and dogs "magic" or not logical just because you have strong opinions but no education on the subject doesn't make your statement any stronger.

Listen, shake your tiny fists and get yourself all worked up if you like, but I sent you a little bit to get started on as far as actually learning what the current ideas are on this subject and that's all I can do for you.
 
2011-10-11 01:40:43 PM
SuperMeekrat : Considering i just put my beloved Amber to sleep this morning, I hope he DIAF wearing polyester.

I am sorry about the loss of your dog. Just remember the rainbow bridge. Link
 
2011-10-11 01:42:15 PM
Aupey

My mom ate dog in the Philippines and when she went outside of the restaurant a dog was barking at her.
She hid under a vehicle after that.
...She was drunk.



I knew your mom when she was in the Philippines.....that's not all she ate.
 
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