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2011-10-07 12:16:25 AM  

Sabyen91: megalynn44: Sabyen91:
The fact is state's rights have always been touted when people wanted to deny people rights. Whenever someone such as Paul insisted on states rights it was never about freedom, it was about restricting freedom.

And yet, in this instance, state's rights are being suppressed by the federal government in order to deny people the right to smoke a plant.

Yeah, that happens too. Bush did it in Oregon about euthenasia. However, if you followed the history of the John Birch society you would realize it is usually a bad thing.


I just plain disagree. State's rights gets associated with a certain type of oppression, that doesn't mean it has no merit. Having everything governed from a far-removed Federal level causes it's own type of social strife, injustice, and under-representation. Federalizing education through NCLB for example has really stripped away a lot of our educational creativity. We would rather everyone reach the same level of mediocrity than deal with the discomfort of allowing some to soar high while others fail. At least we'll feel good about it I suppose.
 
2011-10-07 12:17:30 AM  

david1963: TheOther:

C'mon Democrats, tell me that I have to vote for Obama because the other choices are too scary.

Fark that shiat.

I'm going to resume boycotting Federal elections again till somebody somewhere runs who represents ME.

Maybe I should run for President. My platform:

4) The more money you have the more taxes you pay.




You sound poor.
 
2011-10-07 12:17:35 AM  
More money for the Mexican mafia! Yay!
 
2011-10-07 12:18:20 AM  

paygun: Sabyen91: Except, wedge issues don't work if most of your supporters are against what you propose.

Okay, which one of these scenarios is more likely:

The republicans take position X, and it doesn't hurt them or help them significantly with party members.

The republicans take position X, and their members abandon them. However, the party enacts a vast conspiracy to rig elections all over the country to hide the fact that they have taken the wrong position. They never use this power to control all branches of government, they only use it to cover up their mistaken position on legalizing pot.


That is so cynical!

/Ok, probably right but still...cynical
 
2011-10-07 12:18:42 AM  

TheOther: C'mon Democrats, tell me that I have to vote for Obama because the other choices are too scary.

Fark that shiat.


Just cause it sucks doesn't mean it isn't true.

If the current Republican crop of candidates didn't scare the ever living piss out of me, I'd be 100% behind a primary for Obama at this point. But they do, so I'm not. At least I'm dissappointed in Obama not doing enough (or much of anything, really), instead of mad at him for actively making things worse at every turn, like I would be Perry, Romney, or Cain.

It's funny because Republicans are running for the right hand edge as hard as they can, when they should be going for the center. If they did, they'd have a serious chance to capitalize on all the swing voter anger currently brewing about Obama's lack of progress. I know that a sane nomination from the GOP would be tempting for me this election. Might already be too late for that though, it isn't so much the candidates as the entire party that seems to have lost it. Even a sane candidate would be scary if the base was regularly pressuring him or her to do insane things.
 
2011-10-07 12:19:17 AM  

megalynn44: Sabyen91: megalynn44: Sabyen91:
The fact is state's rights have always been touted when people wanted to deny people rights. Whenever someone such as Paul insisted on states rights it was never about freedom, it was about restricting freedom.

And yet, in this instance, state's rights are being suppressed by the federal government in order to deny people the right to smoke a plant.

Yeah, that happens too. Bush did it in Oregon about euthenasia. However, if you followed the history of the John Birch society you would realize it is usually a bad thing.

I just plain disagree. State's rights gets associated with a certain type of oppression, that doesn't mean it has no merit. Having everything governed from a far-removed Federal level causes it's own type of social strife, injustice, and under-representation. Federalizing education through NCLB for example has really stripped away a lot of our educational creativity. We would rather everyone reach the same level of mediocrity than deal with the discomfort of allowing some to soar high while others fail. At least we'll feel good about it I suppose.



What does state's rights have to do with this?
 
2011-10-07 12:19:25 AM  
So this is just a win for mobile delivery services? It will have zero impact on consumption or sale of marijuana.
 
2011-10-07 12:21:25 AM  

Sabyen91: That is so cynical!


Maybe, but it could be that the issue of legalizing pot just isn't that important to some voters and they know it.
 
2011-10-07 12:21:52 AM  

megalynn44: Federalizing education through NCLB for example has really stripped away a lot of our educational creativity.


Oh, I see. This doesn't mean states are good at education. Just look at perennially bad states. Alabama, Mississippi, Texas (and THEY get to set standards because it is too expensive for other states to do it.)
 
2011-10-07 12:22:16 AM  
"it is not a defense...that the dispensary is providing marijuana."

Madame Prosecutor? YOU have a flair for the obvious . . .
 
2011-10-07 12:22:40 AM  

paygun: Sabyen91: That is so cynical!

Maybe, but it could be that the issue of legalizing pot just isn't that important to some voters and they know it.


So it wouldn't be a wedge issue....
 
2011-10-07 12:23:33 AM  

megalynn44: We would rather everyone reach the same level of mediocrity than deal with the discomfort of allowing some to soar high while others fail.


Don't let the 99 percenters hear you talking like that.
 
2011-10-07 12:26:05 AM  

IGooseI: Someone help me out here. If feds don't consider pot legal, how can the IRS tax it?


You have to pay taxes on all your income, regardless of whether it's legal or not.

Ever hear of a guy named Al Capone? Remember what he got sent to prison for? Hint: it wasn't for murder or selling illegal substances.
 
2011-10-07 12:27:18 AM  
"Yeah, don't make that a priority; it's a waste of federal resources."
"But we make a lot of money on the fines and seizures."
"Well, things are kind of tight..."
 
2011-10-07 12:27:32 AM  
Who else is sick to death of an overreaching, out of control Federal Government? Aren't they in violation of the Constitution when they try to step on the State's jurisdiction? I swear to god, I farking hate crackheads. Not all of them, but the one that happens to be president. . . Come on Cthulu, you GOTTA win this next election, lolz. Wait, true evil will make all vices illegal, like in The Stand. . . Well, I hope Californians don't stand for that crap, but you know what? I think they will. Those goddamned landlords will roll over, bend over, do whatever it takes to keep the rent money rolling in, and keep their property. . . So sick of any government that thinks it is farking GOD and answers to NO ONE. . . You'd think We, the People, would be sick of it too. . .sigh. . .

Sorry about the rant. . .
 
2011-10-07 12:29:24 AM  

VictorOfBorge: I've been watching Ken Burns' "Prohibition" series on PBS, so I'm gettin' a kick. Amazing how nobody learns from history... probably because they don't require anyone but history majors to study it.


Something about doomed to repeat them?
 
2011-10-07 12:31:32 AM  

Sabyen91: So it wouldn't be a wedge issue....


At this point I don't know what you're trying to say. It seems like all you're left with is the idea that it's impossible for someone to vote for a given party's candidate without agreeing with every party position. That's just ridiculous. If I'm wrong, just say so. Otherwise this is looking like arguing-on-the-internet training wheels, and I'm not interested.
 
2011-10-07 12:32:33 AM  

Communist_Manifesto: shiat like this makes me wish obama had been caught with drugs. He openly admits having used weed and coke, yet if he got caught with either of those substances he would have went to jail (black guy with drugs is pretty much an automatic go to jail free card). Given he wouldn't be president if he had gotten caught, you would think he would get a farking clue.


Yeah, but then Hillary would have been president. . .but. . .hold on a tic. . .she couldn't possibly be as bad as Obama's been. . .yeah, fark her. fark Obama. I have no clue who'll I'll vote for next time, but I've been leaning real hard toward either no one or Cthulu. . .
 
2011-10-07 12:33:32 AM  

Cataholic: Under your interpretation, you can either have the legality of marijuana determined on a state-by-state basis, or you can have an FDA, but not both.


False Dichotomy much?
 
2011-10-07 12:35:26 AM  

TheOther: C'mon Democrats, tell me that I have to vote for Obama because the other choices are too scary.

Fark that shiat.


jet_silver: Sabyen91:
No, you didn't. And no, you didn't..

Punahou '76, biatch.


You are a liar.

I have it from a reliable source that not one of 0samas classmates has ever been located.
 
2011-10-07 12:36:03 AM  
I gotta get my prescription refilled tomorrow. I think I'll go now, they're open late.

Cold season's coming on and I just know I'm gonna be real sick. I'd better get a kilo or two.
 
2011-10-07 12:36:15 AM  
Good work Obama, farking dumbass. Let's accelerate the breakup on the nation by pissing away money the fed doesn't have on a jurisdictional dispute over states rights.

The real interesting thing is where are the HURPADURP brigade going to fall on this... I'm guessing on the anti-pot side.. they only believe in states rights for things that are important to them, like forcing you to take jesus dick up the ass and keeping gays as second class citizens.
 
2011-10-07 12:37:40 AM  

Sabyen91: The fact is state's rights have always been touted when people wanted to deny people rights. Whenever someone such as Paul insisted on states rights it was never about freedom, it was about restricting freedom.


THIS.
 
2011-10-07 12:39:16 AM  

neongoats: Good work Obama, farking dumbass. Let's accelerate the breakup on the nation by pissing away money the fed doesn't have on a jurisdictional dispute over states rights.

The real interesting thing is where are the HURPADURP brigade going to fall on this... I'm guessing on the anti-pot side.. they only believe in states rights for things that are important to them, like forcing you to take jesus dick up the ass and keeping gays as second class citizens.


States rights is states rights. If you want gay marijuana smoking second class jesus dicks up the ass to be legal should be up to your state.
 
2011-10-07 12:40:06 AM  
taxandspend: Is it just me, or does the article seem to say the Fed is going after dispensaries that break the law. Like ones that done pay taxes, keep irregular books, profiteering, etc.

TFA:she warned San Diego's Ocean Beach Wellness Centers and Oasis Herbal Center marijuana stores that federal law trumps state law and "it is not a defense...that the dispensary is providing marijuana."

No, I don't think it seems remotely like that.They are going after people that sell pot for selling pot on the exact grounds by which Obama had stated they would NOT prosecute at a federal level.

But WE are OK, right?
Let me just say this now - there will be a revolution, and it will be televised.
 
2011-10-07 12:42:13 AM  

Walker: Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


OMFG aren't you sick of that shiat yet? So sick of that shiat. "Why, you're not enjoying your delicious Turd Sandwich sir? Then perhaps you should try The Giant Douche. It is almost exactly the same thing, except that is inserted into a different hole."
 
2011-10-07 12:42:23 AM  
Oh and as an afurcin murcin

That Obama has purple lips
 
2011-10-07 12:42:54 AM  

muck4doo: neongoats: Good work Obama, farking dumbass. Let's accelerate the breakup on the nation by pissing away money the fed doesn't have on a jurisdictional dispute over states rights.

The real interesting thing is where are the HURPADURP brigade going to fall on this... I'm guessing on the anti-pot side.. they only believe in states rights for things that are important to them, like forcing you to take jesus dick up the ass and keeping gays as second class citizens.

States rights is states rights. If you want gay marijuana smoking second class jesus dicks up the ass to be legal should be up to your state.


muck4doo: neongoats: Good work Obama, farking dumbass. Let's accelerate the breakup on the nation by pissing away money the fed doesn't have on a jurisdictional dispute over states rights.

The real interesting thing is where are the HURPADURP brigade going to fall on this... I'm guessing on the anti-pot side.. they only believe in states rights for things that are important to them, like forcing you to take jesus dick up the ass and keeping gays as second class citizens.

States rights is states rights. If you want gay marijuana smoking second class jesus dicks up the ass to be legal should be up to your state.


True that. But nuevo-libertarian tea-tard infused modern right wingers don't actually believe in states rights, just states rights as long as it pertains to their pet issues. Just like they only like the portions of the constitution and bill of rights that are about guns and black folks counting as part of a person.
 
2011-10-07 12:43:00 AM  

muck4doo: gay marijuana smoking second class jesus dicks up the ass


AKA "Tuesday"
 
2011-10-07 12:43:52 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: wait a minute!
I thought we were supposed to get all sorts of tax money from this.

what a surprise, the feds claim they are are owed a bunch more taxes.

and that is based on the "reported" income.

don't trust anyone selling drugs. they will rip you off. even if they are in a nice shiny building.


I'd trust my dealer over my government any day of the week. . .
 
2011-10-07 12:44:14 AM  
You mean that Barry isn't the politician I didn't vote for? I am/would be outraged that he has turned coat on an issue I have no strong conviction about! I demand that I be given the chance NOT to vote for him again! That'll show the establishment what I think!

Do we really expect anything different from ANY candidate/politician? My American Governement teacher said it the best: what people don't realize is that the American political machine is specifically designed to take people who may actually want to see some change done, chew them up, and spit them out as mere hulks of the men/women they were when they started.

/Boobies evar. am i doin it rite?
 
2011-10-07 12:44:20 AM  

paygun: muck4doo: gay marijuana smoking second class jesus dicks up the ass

AKA "Tuesday"


What's wrong with thursday?
 
2011-10-07 12:45:00 AM  

Nappy Imus: Walker: Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

OMFG aren't you sick of that shiat yet? So sick of that shiat. "Why, you're not enjoying your delicious Turd Sandwich sir? Then perhaps you should try The Giant Douche. It is almost exactly the same thing, except that is inserted into a different hole."


I loove a shiat sandwich. Especially when it is forced down my throat
 
2011-10-07 12:45:39 AM  

Mighty Puzz: You mean that Barry isn't the politician I didn't vote for? I am/would be outraged that he has turned coat on an issue I have no strong conviction about! I demand that I be given the chance NOT to vote for him again! That'll show the establishment what I think!

Do we really expect anything different from ANY candidate/politician? My American Governement teacher said it the best: what people don't realize is that the American political machine is specifically designed to take people who may actually want to see some change done, chew them up, and spit them out as mere hulks of the men/women they were when they started.

/Boobies evar. am i doin it rite?


Tuesday or Thursday?
 
2011-10-07 12:46:10 AM  

MmmBadEggs: Wow so the empty suit lied again. Just like he did about not blanket-hiring lobbyists and posting legislation for all to read on the white house website and a whole heap of other bullsh*t...

The best (worst) part is how many got taken by this clown and his nonsense.


Yeah, I'm sick of being that stupid too. Man, I'm sick of alot of things today, especially my government, lolz.
 
2011-10-07 12:47:25 AM  
This is another round of political bulls##t!

I don't smoke pot. I have, in the past, and didn't like the effects -- unless I was drunk. Since I'm an alcoholic -- sober many years now -- the stuff doesn't interest me.

That doesn't mean I'm against it.

IMO, I'd rather be around a happy stoner than a mean drunk and one thing I learned about LEGAL booze is that it gets a whole lot of folks into a mess of nasty situations. Much more than any pot smoker I know of.

Besides, if the stuff helps with the nasty side effects of chemotherapy and aids in reducing the symptoms of some other diseases, then by all means, have at it.

Making it legal would cut down drastically on the criminal element that goes along with it in other states anyhow. We're forever reading reports on pot smugglers getting chased by the Coast Guard, people getting shot stumbling across pot fields in National Forests, dealers shooting each other (and anyone in the vicinity) up and the cost of throwing minor users in jail is enormous.

If you read your history, you'll find that pot was made illegal on the greedy desires of a Newspaper Baron, who also had major holdings in pulp paper. Hemp, from the pot plant, was cheaper and better to make paper from and threatened the pulp paper industry which was busily chopping down every forest they came across.

So, to keep it simple, the Hearst Empire flexed it's political muscles and pot became the 'evil weed', even though it had been a cash crop since the nation had been founded. (The hemp, not the drug.)

The US government has been fighting against repealing that law for ages.

However, it happily approves of massive alcohol consumption and advertising, which has caused more death and destruction than anyone would believe. Alcohol restrictions are minor, for all the trouble it causes.

(No. Banning it would not be good. We already tried that. But, I get annoyed by beer commercials plastered over every sports event and those on TV where they describe making the brew as a loving, careful, dedicated art and the flavor as heavenly nectar from the gods.)

They're working on banning tobacco. They've demonized it up one end and down the other. They've flayed the tobacco companies for doing what any other major business does -- lies about the product's hazards and works to enhance the quality so more people use it.

Pot, so far, has not proved as dangerous as tobacco. (Though, they're working on proving it is.)

I lived next door to pot smokers and when high, they never bothered me. I've lived near boozers and coke users and they get to be a pain in the arse! (Crackheads will rob you blind!) I've had friends who smoked and didn't have to pull their heads out of the toilet because they did too much and I don't recall any going home real stoned and beating up his wife or turning into an aggressive PITA because he was 'plastered'.

(Now PCP users just get darn dangerous but that's from a deliberately concentrated form of pot.)

Pretty much, pot seems to be the most benign of illegal and legal substances.

Naturally, anything which can be used as a mood or mind altering substance can be abused. I mean, look how many folks wound up getting 'hooked' on caffeine loaded Pepsi some years ago -- and that was just a mild, legal stimulant.

Congress traditionally just hates to repeal any unpopular laws it has made and will fight tooth and nail to keep them in place, even if they don't agree with them or they are flawed.

(Look at your sexual offender laws. Talk about a blanket coverage!)

Maybe they just need to regulate the stuff in California more, but as with any major money making business, there will be ways found to avoid paying taxes and to skin the consumer out of his dollars.

I mean, look at the interest rates of credit cards. They violate the usury laws but operate with impunity.

They need to knock off this political krap.
 
2011-10-07 12:48:49 AM  

boobsrgood: SoCalSurfer: We're in a recession and they're trying to take away tax revenue? Are they stupid?

Not to mention all the businesses closed down, jobs lost, and leases terminated. Just what a landlord needs at a time when business space sits vacant everywhere in America...lets shut a few thousand more businesses down and put more "For Rent" signs up. That really brightens up Main St. and helps the economy in any town.

Fark Obama. Unless he's trying to ignite a revolution, this is dumb.


I'm starting to wonder just how long the HAVE been trying to start a revolution, as it seems they've been chomping down on the bit in anticipation of exactly that, waiting eagerly for an excuse to take away even more rights and make Corporate Prisons an even more lucrative business as they round of hundreds of thousands of 'rebels' or 'terrorists', whatever they decide to call them. Unemployment solved :D
 
2011-10-07 12:49:54 AM  
skreened.com

Seriously.
 
2011-10-07 12:50:49 AM  

muck4doo: What's wrong with thursday?


Thursday is devil worship and goat sex blood orgies. Get with the program.
 
2011-10-07 12:52:40 AM  

Nappy Imus: tenpoundsofcheese: wait a minute!
I thought we were supposed to get all sorts of tax money from this.

what a surprise, the feds claim they are are owed a bunch more taxes.

and that is based on the "reported" income.

don't trust anyone selling drugs. they will rip you off. even if they are in a nice shiny building.

I'd trust my dealer over my government any day of the week. . .


I'd trust my pharmacist...no wait. I'd trust my banker...no wait. I'd trust my accountant...no wait. I'd trust my senator...no wait. I'd trust my used car dealer...no wait. I'd trust my federal government...no wait. I mean I'd trust...
 
2011-10-07 12:52:58 AM  
Dear Fed, fark off!
About time the states gave orders to their police protect the dispensaries and shoot these farks if they to come in and override state and local laws (especially being as the fed's just pissed because they're loosing drug money profits from Mexico to the dispensaries).
 
2011-10-07 12:53:32 AM  

HumanBeingsSuck: At whitehouse.gov, they recently launched the "We the People" site. There, the administration promises to address petitions created by and signed by Americans. The only condition is that a petition must have at least 5,000 signatures.

Obviously, it's not a promise to actually do anything. It's just a promise to respond.

If you go there and look, right this minute, four of the top ten petitions are calls to end prohibition of marijuana in one way or another. The top petition, having more than 50,000 signatures, is an outright call to decriminalize marijuana nationally and treat it as similar to alcohol.

The call to legalize marijuana has twice the support of the call to abolish the TSA.

We the People have spoken. So, what is the response we are to expect? Do you feel like your little publicity stunt has backfired? Or do you have the balls to recognize that maybe we're right?

Do the right thing, President Obama. You're selling yourself as the populist. So how about you live up to your own hype, call off your dogs, and see about opening a real dialogue about this.


Man, I hate to say this, but have you had those delusions checked? Seriously, that came across as pretty naive, no offense. . .
 
2011-10-07 12:56:47 AM  

paygun: muck4doo: What's wrong with thursday?

Thursday is devil worship and goat sex blood orgies. Get with the program.


Sorry. Thought that was Friday.
 
2011-10-07 12:56:48 AM  

FarkLiberty: david1963: Maybe I should run for President. My platform:

1) Legalize marijuana; decriminalize damn near every other drug. (If you say "Legalize crack!" whitey gets all skeered.)

2) No wars without a formal declaration by Congress as per the Constitution.

3) "I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one."

4) The more money you have the more taxes you pay.

5) Economic democracy is patriotism in action.

6) A healthy America needs healthy citizens: free basic medical care for everybody. (But boob jobs, Botox and penis enlargement will cost you.)

7) We should take care of our own people before propping up foreign governments.

8) More domestic social expenditure funded by cutting military waste.

9) Liberty, equality, solidarity.

10) President david1963 should always be referred to as "handsome."


I'd vote for you if you dropped # 6. And if you changed #10 to "President of Righteousness and All Things Awesome."



Just because you were born with a small penis, doesn't mean other people should foot the bill if you can't overcome.


I'd support you David, as/is.
 
2011-10-07 01:04:10 AM  

Pollexabator: thelordofcheese: Well, enjoy being a 1-term president.

He should really do us all a favor spend that $1 billion on something shiny like some massive drinking water operations in third world countries. This type of election year politic bullshiat is just the icing on the cake of Republican controlled legislature gerrymandering and tampering with election law. MANY college age kids/lower income citizens will not vote and Mr. Obama is pretty much boned (and the weird thing is that he knows it). He's going to run and waste $1 billion in contributions anyway and the Republicans are going to spend $5 billion just to put the nails in the coffin. We really have no shame in the country.

[www.austinchronicle.com image 400x167]

/holy shiat, those panels are 10 years old
//no really, where the weed at, I want to not care anymore


farking A. I have no weed or synthetic, though, and I broke my last bottle of whiskey by accident. Thankfully at the time, I was already drunk. I rarely drink, but my personal economy of late has been making even the desire to do that increase. . .(Yeah, I know, nobody cares about anybody else's personal shiat) :D Funny thing is, without any money, I'm pretty much screwed at this point, lolz. Gotta sleep this day off, lol.

You know, they say that if you don't vote, you can't complain. So maybe I won't vote, cause I'm sick of complaining about shiat I can't do shiat about, lol.
 
2011-10-07 01:04:53 AM  
I checked out the "We The People" petition site on the white house's website. The top petitions are all about marijuana
 
2011-10-07 01:05:18 AM  

Rik01: This is another round of political bulls##t!

I don't smoke pot. I have, in the past, and didn't like the effects -- unless I was drunk. Since I'm an alcoholic -- sober many years now -- the stuff doesn't interest me.

That doesn't mean I'm against it.

IMO, I'd rather be around a happy stoner than a mean drunk and one thing I learned about LEGAL booze is that it gets a whole lot of folks into a mess of nasty situations. Much more than any pot smoker I know of.

Besides, if the stuff helps with the nasty side effects of chemotherapy and aids in reducing the symptoms of some other diseases, then by all means, have at it.

Making it legal would cut down drastically on the criminal element that goes along with it in other states anyhow. We're forever reading reports on pot smugglers getting chased by the Coast Guard, people getting shot stumbling across pot fields in National Forests, dealers shooting each other (and anyone in the vicinity) up and the cost of throwing minor users in jail is enormous.

If you read your history, you'll find that pot was made illegal on the greedy desires of a Newspaper Baron, who also had major holdings in pulp paper. Hemp, from the pot plant, was cheaper and better to make paper from and threatened the pulp paper industry which was busily chopping down every forest they came across.

So, to keep it simple, the Hearst Empire flexed it's political muscles and pot became the 'evil weed', even though it had been a cash crop since the nation had been founded. (The hemp, not the drug.)

The US government has been fighting against repealing that law for ages.

However, it happily approves of massive alcohol consumption and advertising, which has caused more death and destruction than anyone would believe. Alcohol restrictions are minor, for all the trouble it causes.

(No. Banning it would not be good. We already tried that. But, I get annoyed by beer commercials plastered over every sports event and those on TV where they describe making the brew as a loving, careful, dedicated art and the flavor as heavenly nectar from the gods.)

They're working on banning tobacco. They've demonized it up one end and down the other. They've flayed the tobacco companies for doing what any other major business does -- lies about the product's hazards and works to enhance the quality so more people use it.

Pot, so far, has not proved as dangerous as tobacco. (Though, they're working on proving it is.)

I lived next door to pot smokers and when high, they never bothered me. I've lived near boozers and coke users and they get to be a pain in the arse! (Crackheads will rob you blind!) I've had friends who smoked and didn't have to pull their heads out of the toilet because they did too much and I don't recall any going home real stoned and beating up his wife or turning into an aggressive PITA because he was 'plastered'.

(Now PCP users just get darn dangerous but that's from a deliberately concentrated form of pot.)

Pretty much, pot seems to be the most benign of illegal and legal substances.

Naturally, anything which can be used as a mood or mind altering substance can be abused. I mean, look how many folks wound up getting 'hooked' on caffeine loaded Pepsi some years ago -- and that was just a mild, legal stimulant.

Congress traditionally just hates to repeal any unpopular laws it has made and will fight tooth and nail to keep them in place, even if they don't agree with them or they are flawed.

(Look at your sexual offender laws. Talk about a blanket coverage!)

Maybe they just need to regulate the stuff in California more, but as with any major money making business, there will be ways found to avoid paying taxes and to skin the consumer out of his dollars.

I mean, look at the interest rates of credit cards. They violate the usury laws but operate with impunity.

They need to knock off this political krap.


The only beef I have is the part about proving that marijuana is as harmful as tobacco. It would seem that you would doubt any study that says it is so. Is that the case?

Another point you did make that rings true is about the Pepsi. Whether we care to admit it or not, Americans are hooked on one foreign substance or another regardless of its legality. Caffeine, alcohol, nicotine, prescription painkillers, midol, what have ya.
 
2011-10-07 01:07:51 AM  

Communist_Manifesto: shiat like this makes me wish obama had been caught with drugs. He openly admits having used weed and coke, yet if he got caught with either of those substances he would have went to jail (black guy with drugs is pretty much an automatic go to jail free card). Given he wouldn't be president if he had gotten caught, you would think he would get a farking clue.


Yes. And then we would have either President McCain or President H. Clinton.
 
2011-10-07 01:16:53 AM  
Barry seems hell bent on chucking his base and core supporters whomever they may be under the nearest bus one way or another.

Maybe he wants to lose the upcoming election, if so he appears to be going about it in the right manner.

Or maybe he is just so detached from the "common folk" that he believes he can't lose against a bunch of loonies, that however may turn out to be a fatal conceit!
 
2011-10-07 01:22:48 AM  
Four More Years!
 
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