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(Crooks & Liars)   Fox News crew assaulted and pepper sprayed by cops at OWS protests. That's both shocking and strangely amusing   (crooksandliars.com ) divider line 311
    More: Ironic, Occupy Wall Street, Fox News, New York, Inquiring Minds, riots, Roy Isen  
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2011-10-06 12:54:30 PM  
On a side note I would love to know why these protestors have a beef with the Hells Angels and other extreme motorcycle gangs.
 
2011-10-06 12:54:50 PM  

WTF Indeed: The Drawing Board: WTF Indeed: The Drawing Board: Am I the only one who is dissappointed in the crowd for not pummeling that nightsick weilding pig?

Says the man sitting behind a desk listening to Rage Against the Machine, pretending he's fighting the man.

Actually, I'm posting from a tent city outside South Station so I'm getting a real kick....

Sure you are. How about you go start something with a cop and see how it works out for you.


How about you go get your mom to give you a ride up here?

I like my chances a lot more starting something with you than I do the cops.
 
2011-10-06 12:55:33 PM  

EWreckedSean: Protestors bust through the barricades and are forceably resisted by the cops whose job it is to stop them, and it is the officers fault? If they are beating and pepper spraying people standing protesting on a street corner, I'm all on the side of they are douche bag cops. But when out numbered cops are rushed by mobs breaking past where they are allowed to be, you can hardly blame them for resorting to violence.


Okay, even granting your point, there were officers clearly seen on the other side of the barricade swinging their nightsticks and pepperspraying people. They went beyond simply holding people back and went looking for people to hit and spray.
 
2011-10-06 12:56:00 PM  

Barbigazi: JTiddles: Barbigazi: JTiddles: How come this never happens at Tea Parties? Probably some sort of conspiracy.

It's really hard to get a wheel chair over a police barricade.

HA HA HA TEABAGGERS ARE OLD AND CRIPPLED

Fat and stupid too, don't forget that.


And paranoid, very paranoid.
 
2011-10-06 01:02:09 PM  

tomcatadam: Barbigazi: Because nobody's afraid of 30 to 40 retired people dressed up in period garb.

Well, and those people may have guns, which (while far more dangerous than pot brownies) a barricade really won't do much against.



Holy crap, imagine the response if any of the Occupy protestors had guns.
 
2011-10-06 01:03:24 PM  

The Drawing Board: How about you go get your mom to give you a ride up here?

I like my chances a lot more starting something with you than I do the cops.


Now you're changing your story. Now violence is only OK if it's mob violence? But you won't go out and take out the "nightsick weilding pig". Why the change of heart?
 
2011-10-06 01:06:46 PM  

bikerific: tomcatadam: Barbigazi: Because nobody's afraid of 30 to 40 retired people dressed up in period garb.

Well, and those people may have guns, which (while far more dangerous than pot brownies) a barricade really won't do much against.


Holy crap, imagine the response if any of the Occupy protestors had guns.


The other protestors would scramble away in fear of an unloaded and safetied firearm accidentally dischargine?
 
2011-10-06 01:08:21 PM  
this is the local affiliate not the national network.

I live in NYC, and the local channel is very different than the nation network
 
2011-10-06 01:09:00 PM  
99problems.org
 
2011-10-06 01:10:14 PM  

The Drawing Board: I like my chances a lot more starting something with you than I do the cops.


Wow, you really showed that guy. I bet your one of those guys that goes to protests masked and loots stores because you're "fighting the power".
 
2011-10-06 01:10:26 PM  

ddam: JTiddles:
No firefight... just curb stomping.


Or shoulder-nudging. But "curb stomping" sounds much more dangerous, yes.
 
2011-10-06 01:11:57 PM  

Outrageous Muff: The Drawing Board: I like my chances a lot more starting something with you than I do the cops.

Wow, you really showed that guy. I bet your one of those guys that goes to protests masked and loots stores because you're "fighting the power".


He's the guy dressed as a turtle.
 
2011-10-06 01:12:34 PM  

The Name: JTiddles: How come this never happens at Tea Parties?

Because the Teabaggers have bigger plans up their sleeves.

[www.skepticfriends.org image 333x500]


It's been almost three years now. More Occupiers have been arrested in one week than Tea Partiers have been arrested... ever.

You sure do scare easily.
 
2011-10-06 01:14:01 PM  

tomcatadam: lennavan: Put down the bong, hippy.

Rise and shine, Mr. Lennavan
The right hyperbole in the wrong argument can make all the difference in the troll.


lolwut? I don't even know what this means.

You do know, I was mocking his reply with a perfectly mirrored reply, right? If you disliked my snarky reply, you should have equally disliked his.
 
2011-10-06 01:15:06 PM  

WTF Indeed: The Drawing Board: How about you go get your mom to give you a ride up here?

I like my chances a lot more starting something with you than I do the cops.

Now you're changing your story. Now violence is only OK if it's mob violence? But you won't go out and take out the "nightsick weilding pig". Why the change of heart?


Um, I'm pretty sure he's not the one moving the goalposts...
 
2011-10-06 01:16:11 PM  

Hot Rod Zoidberg: lennavan: Note what's missing from this story: Violence on the side of the protesters. Crossing a barricade is not violent. It is not threatening. It is simply crossing a barricade. The response of the officers left me feeling pretty shaky. Batons, pepper spray, and yes, done by the white shirts, but not only the white shirts.

Seriously though, the protesters shouldn't have crossed the farking barricade. It wasn't a suggestion.

The police shouldn't have put up barricades to suppress a peaceful march.


Fine. But they did put up barricades. Therefore, the protesters shouldn't have crossed the farking barricade. The policemen were super bad. You'll get over it.

Marijuana shouldn't be illegal. It is. Therefore you shouldn't sell/smoke pot. When you get busted, you don't get to cry and complain "it should be legal!" The right way to protest isn't to ignore the law, the right way is to have the law changed.
 
2011-10-06 01:16:21 PM  

jedihirsch: this is the local affiliate not the national network.

I live in NYC, and the local channel is very different than the nation network


Greg Kelly FTW!
 
2011-10-06 01:18:38 PM  

skullkrusher: jedihirsch: this is the local affiliate not the national network.

I live in NYC, and the local channel is very different than the nation network

Greg Kelly FTW!


Nonsense, Pat Kiernan all the goddamn way. NY1!
 
2011-10-06 01:18:38 PM  

Barbigazi: He's the guy dressed as a turtle.


TMNT or Regular?
 
2011-10-06 01:18:50 PM  

lennavan: But they did put up barricades. Therefore, the protesters shouldn't have crossed the farking barricade.


Why not?
 
2011-10-06 01:19:30 PM  

Outrageous Muff: Barbigazi: He's the guy dressed as a turtle.

TMNT or Regular?


www.historylink.org
 
2011-10-06 01:21:42 PM  

xanadian: I Said: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: I have to say I am for once genuinely curious how FOX is going to spin this.

Easy.

"Protests turned violent as protesters attacked the police. Peaceful civilians, like our own reporter and cameraman, were caught in the melee"

You ...um... said it.

RminusQ: Say, do you hear the distant drums?

I *always* hear the drums! The constant...NO, I'M NOT GOING TO NERD OUT IN THIS THREAD!!!! NONONONONONO!!!


NO NO NO NO......NO NO NO NO....NO NO NO NO....NO NO NO NO
 
2011-10-06 01:22:12 PM  

Barbigazi: Outrageous Muff: Barbigazi: He's the guy dressed as a turtle.

TMNT or Regular?

[www.historylink.org image 260x212]


Wow, that picture totally changed my mind on the WTO. Such effective campaigning. If the Civil Rights marches knew about this back in the day, segregation would have been over by the 1930s.
 
2011-10-06 01:22:39 PM  

Hot Rod Zoidberg: lennavan: Note what's missing from this story: Violence on the side of the protesters. Crossing a barricade is not violent. It is not threatening. It is simply crossing a barricade. The response of the officers left me feeling pretty shaky. Batons, pepper spray, and yes, done by the white shirts, but not only the white shirts.

Seriously though, the protesters shouldn't have crossed the farking barricade. It wasn't a suggestion.

The police shouldn't have put up barricades to suppress a peaceful march.


If the march had a permit, no.

If they had no permit and were likely to disrupt the flow of traffic, then yes they should have put up a barricaide.
 
2011-10-06 01:24:55 PM  

Outrageous Muff: Barbigazi: Outrageous Muff: Barbigazi: He's the guy dressed as a turtle.

TMNT or Regular?

[www.historylink.org image 260x212]

Wow, that picture totally changed my mind on the WTO. Such effective campaigning. If the Civil Rights marches knew about this back in the day, segregation would have been over by the 1930s.


And that my friend is why they've been protesting the WTO for decades and have yet to stop it. Turtles are slow.
 
2011-10-06 01:25:07 PM  

MisterRonbo: This is a local news station that is a Fox (broadcast) network affiliate. Nothing to do with Fox News, the affiliate is independently owned and not part of News Corp. Don't confuse the two.

That said, I think what is being ignored here is that this is New York City. You know, 9/11 attacks, does that ring a bell? Its right after the 10th anniversary. These cops are on edge, and they have to be watching for someone taking advantage of the chaos of protests to plant a bomb or commit other mischief.

That's why people surging past barriers is a big deal.

I'm not saying this is the right response on the part of the cops, I'm just saying it explains their overly aggressive response.


cops on edge?? the second video in particular seems to feature a rotund, doughnut-stuffed ASSHOLE with a chip on his shoulder. and the bit where he smacks his baton on the ground like a chimpanzee spouting out about how much 'action his nightstick is going to see' clearly illustrates that he's just itching for a fight. fark cops like him.

i'm more disappointed...but ultimately not really surprised by bloomberg's lack of involvement...as far as directing police protocol and their responses to the protestors
 
2011-10-06 01:25:40 PM  
 
2011-10-06 01:26:36 PM  

Barbigazi: skullkrusher: jedihirsch: this is the local affiliate not the national network.

I live in NYC, and the local channel is very different than the nation network

Greg Kelly FTW!

Nonsense, Pat Kiernan all the goddamn way. NY1!


NY1 sucks. Greg Kelly is a troll mastermind
 
2011-10-06 01:27:03 PM  

liam76: Hot Rod Zoidberg: lennavan: Note what's missing from this story: Violence on the side of the protesters. Crossing a barricade is not violent. It is not threatening. It is simply crossing a barricade. The response of the officers left me feeling pretty shaky. Batons, pepper spray, and yes, done by the white shirts, but not only the white shirts.

Seriously though, the protesters shouldn't have crossed the farking barricade. It wasn't a suggestion.

The police shouldn't have put up barricades to suppress a peaceful march.

If the march had a permit, no.

If they had no permit and were likely to disrupt the flow of traffic, then yes they should have put up a barricaide.


The portion of Wall Street that is barricaded is already closed to traffic and has been since 9/11. Right now only the sidewalks are accessible, and as of yesterday those are closed off for anyone without a building pass.
 
2011-10-06 01:28:40 PM  

skullkrusher: NY1 sucks


I know you don't mean that.

gothamist.com
 
2011-10-06 01:29:23 PM  
How will Fox and Republicans spin that Ron Paul supports these protests?
 
2011-10-06 01:29:58 PM  

Barbigazi: skullkrusher: NY1 sucks

I know you don't mean that.

[gothamist.com image 225x205]


I's just kiddin. I love you NY1

/GK is still better
 
2011-10-06 01:30:41 PM  

t3knomanser: lennavan: But they did put up barricades. Therefore, the protesters shouldn't have crossed the farking barricade.

Why not?


Because barricades mean you shall not pass. If a policeman is sitting there with a barricade up, it means you shall not pass and if you do, they're gonna bust yo ass. If gandalf is sitting there with a sword up, it means you shall not pass and if you do, he's gonna bust yo ass.

boourns.cjb.net

You may not know why he's standing there declaring you shall not pass, but you don't get to biatch when you try and he busts yo ass. Your big chance was in trying to discuss and explain to him why he should let you pass. Your big chance is not ignoring him.
 
2011-10-06 01:32:46 PM  

Outrageous Muff: Barbigazi: He's the guy dressed as a turtle.

TMNT or Regular?


McConnell
 
2011-10-06 01:32:58 PM  

liam76: If the march had a permit, no.

If they had no permit and were likely to disrupt the flow of traffic, then yes they should have put up a barricaide.


So they should wait for the city to decide to allow their protest? That sounds like a brilliant idea. They'd still be waiting for the permit to be issued. Bureaucrats always approve of protests against their policies.
 
2011-10-06 01:33:28 PM  

Nadie_AZ: How will Fox and Republicans spin that Ron Paul supports these protests?


They won't, they dislike Ron Paul.
 
2011-10-06 01:33:45 PM  

lennavan: The right way to protest isn't to ignore the law, the right way is to have the law changed.


29.media.tumblr.com

Fred Shuttlesworth frowns on your shenanigans.

/RIP Fred.
 
2011-10-06 01:34:08 PM  

sheilanagig: liam76: If the march had a permit, no.

If they had no permit and were likely to disrupt the flow of traffic, then yes they should have put up a barricaide.

So they should wait for the city to decide to allow their protest? That sounds like a brilliant idea. They'd still be waiting for the permit to be issued. Bureaucrats always approve of protests against their policies.


Or they could just stay out of the street. Crazy, I know.
 
2011-10-06 01:38:08 PM  

Barbigazi: Or they could just stay out of the street. Crazy, I know.


Remain silent and get out of the way? Even more brilliant. Maybe they should just stop complaining and attacking the police batons with their heads.
 
2011-10-06 01:38:56 PM  

lennavan: You do know, I was mocking his reply with a perfectly mirrored reply, right? If you disliked my snarky reply, you should have equally disliked his.


Never fear the OWS protestors, lennavan, they're unarmed and completely harmless. The worst they could do is try to couple outraged liberal ideas with your head. Liberally.
 
2011-10-06 01:39:03 PM  

sheilanagig: Barbigazi: Or they could just stay out of the street. Crazy, I know.

Remain silent and get out of the way? Even more brilliant. Maybe they should just stop complaining and attacking the police batons with their heads.


Silent? Are you even aware of what is happening down here?
 
2011-10-06 01:39:45 PM  

sheilanagig: liam76: If the march had a permit, no.

If they had no permit and were likely to disrupt the flow of traffic, then yes they should have put up a barricaide.

So they should wait for the city to decide to allow their protest? That sounds like a brilliant idea. They'd still be waiting for the permit to be issued. Bureaucrats always approve of protests against their policies.


You should work on your reading comprehension. I never said they need a permit to protest.

They are within their rights to protest wihtout a permit. They are not within their rights to occupy sidewalks/roads that the public use to get to and from work to the point where they impede traffic.


Barbigazi: The portion of Wall Street that is barricaded is already closed to traffic and has been since 9/11. Right now only the sidewalks are accessible, and as of yesterday those are closed off for anyone without a building pass


Did not know that.

Do they normally let peopel walk there,?
 
2011-10-06 01:40:59 PM  
There seems to be some confusion here. Police procedure dictates that force be met with force. Crossing a barricade is not a forceful act. Threatening to beat the asses of people is a forceful act. Spraying and beating peaceful protesters, even if they do cross a police line or barricade, is not in accordance with standing police procedure. Hell, as a soldier in Afghanistan I had to demonstrate more restraint than these white-shirts.
 
2011-10-06 01:41:06 PM  

liam76: Barbigazi: The portion of Wall Street that is barricaded is already closed to traffic and has been since 9/11. Right now only the sidewalks are accessible, and as of yesterday those are closed off for anyone without a building pass

Did not know that.

Do they normally let peopel walk there,?


Yeah, they have like 12 feet around the stock exchange blocked off and only the people who work there can go in, but the rest is a pretty cool pedestrian area. They put out tables and shiat in the summer. It's nice.
 
2011-10-06 01:41:19 PM  

Barbigazi: sheilanagig: Barbigazi: Or they could just stay out of the street. Crazy, I know.

Remain silent and get out of the way? Even more brilliant. Maybe they should just stop complaining and attacking the police batons with their heads.

Silent? Are you even aware of what is happening down here?


What you're saying is that they should be quiet and obedient, apply for a permit. At least that's what it seems like. You don't seem to think that they're going about it the right way. What would be the right way? I wonder if you think the riot act should come back, or the posse comitatus act be repealed. (It was, during Bush.)
 
2011-10-06 01:41:21 PM  

lennavan: The right way to protest isn't to ignore the law, the right way is to have the law changed.



www.transcendentalists.com

Sup
 
2011-10-06 01:41:55 PM  

sheilanagig: Barbigazi: Or they could just stay out of the street. Crazy, I know.

Remain silent and get out of the way? Even more brilliant. Maybe they should just stop complaining and attacking the police batons with their heads.


Still having trouble wiht that reading comprehension, aren't you?
 
2011-10-06 01:43:37 PM  

sheilanagig: What you're saying is that they should be quiet and obedient, apply for a permit. At least that's what it seems like.


You aren't actually comprehending what peioepl are saying and just making shiat up. At least that's what it seems like.
 
2011-10-06 01:45:31 PM  

liam76: sheilanagig: Barbigazi: Or they could just stay out of the street. Crazy, I know.

Remain silent and get out of the way? Even more brilliant. Maybe they should just stop complaining and attacking the police batons with their heads.

Still having trouble wiht that reading comprehension, aren't you?


The whole point of a protest is to cause inconvenience. They're in the street because it's the only way they can get any attention to their grievances. They have a constitutionally guaranteed right to protest, as outlined in the first amendment. There is no stipulation that they do so without blocking streets or even being in the street.
 
2011-10-06 01:46:33 PM  

sheilanagig: Barbigazi: sheilanagig: Barbigazi: Or they could just stay out of the street. Crazy, I know.

Remain silent and get out of the way? Even more brilliant. Maybe they should just stop complaining and attacking the police batons with their heads.

Silent? Are you even aware of what is happening down here?

What you're saying is that they should be quiet and obedient, apply for a permit. At least that's what it seems like. You don't seem to think that they're going about it the right way. What would be the right way? I wonder if you think the riot act should come back, or the posse comitatus act be repealed. (It was, during Bush.)


No, jesus christ. I'm saying they should stay the fark out of traffic. The two times there were mass arrests they were A) Not anywhere near where they're supposed to be occupying and B)Blocking traffic.

They can march around and beat drums until they freeze in the winter for all anyone cares, but as soon as they break the law the NYPD is going to hit them with sticks and take them to jail.
 
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