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2011-10-05 11:40:04 PM
Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".

Women wanted equality, so let 'em have it. They can eat their slice of the shiat sandwich men have had all to themselves for years, and they can like it.
 
2011-10-05 11:41:14 PM
they play too many video games, don't get married, and aren't religious enough

Yo.
 
2011-10-05 11:50:33 PM
Alternative title: Why Nobody Gives a shiat What Bill Bennett Thinks Anymore
 
2011-10-05 11:52:52 PM
If you don't believe the numbers, just ask young women about men today. You will find them talking about prolonged adolescence and men who refuse to grow up. I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?" There is a maturity deficit among men out there, and men are falling behind.

So it's a crisis among men when too many young women complain? How would it look flipped around?

"I've heard too many young men asking, 'Where are the decent single women?' There is a maturity deficit among women out there, and women are falling behind."

Oh, wait, we are supposed to judge women by their own desires, not the desires of men.

/sheesh
//"Make me a sandwich" is sexist, but "Support me while I have babies" is not?
 
2011-10-06 12:03:48 AM

Snarfangel: I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?"


Lol, he wrote that?

The kind of women who keep asking this question usually have quite a lot more to do with their own relationship problems than they would like everyone to believe.
 
2011-10-06 12:06:22 AM
If you don't believe the numbers, just ask young women about men today. You will find them talking about prolonged adolescence and men who refuse to grow up. I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?"

Most women will ask that to the guy they friend zoned after he asked them out and they went back to their cheating ex.


/But but but confidence!
 
2011-10-06 12:39:01 AM
Bill Bennett is a certainly dubious voice for ethics, given his own gambling addiction. Nevertheless, I don't think he's entirely misguided on this point. I have witnessed this more and more over the years among my own friends and neighbors--men who are increasingly unable to fulfill basic reciprocal responsibilities to their partners and their children. Yes, of course the system screws everyone. Yes, women behave badly too and have suffered from a lack of parenting themselves. That's been the case in different ways and measures. However, that is not an excuse for bad behavior on the part of men either. Any boy can be a sperm donor, but a man helps raise and guide his children, as well as helping support his spouse(s), whether male or female. Not that there are too many all male harems or polyfamilies out there, but if they have authentic men those responsibilities are getting addressed there as well.
 
2011-10-06 01:48:06 AM
So what's wrong with having more women around for a little while? It's not like it's gonna be for eternity. Eventually there will be a demand for men and life will shift back the other way.

Seriously, some of you are freaking out for nothing.
 
2011-10-06 02:13:14 AM
In 1970, men earned 60% of all college degrees. In 1980, the figure fell to 50%, by 2006 it was 43%.

So what percentage of men are getting college degrees? All this stat shows is that more women are going to college than in 1970. My guess is the % of men getting degrees has stayed nearly the same (or else they would have used that number), as men are more likely to go into a trade or other blue collar job than women are. Women are much more likely then men to get a job teaching or in an office, where you need a college degree.

William J. Bennett

In 1950, 5% of men at the prime working age were unemployed. As of last year, 20% were not working, the highest ever recorded.


What was the economy like in 1950 vs today? I'm guessing they weren't suffering the worst economy since the great depression. Again, another worthless "statistic" since we aren't given anything to compare it with. I'm sure the low unemployment in 1950 also had nothing to do with all the men who were taken out of the work force when they died in WWII. What % of women were unemployed in 195? I bet you'll find that there's a much higher number of working women these days, so you've got a much larger pool of people fighting for jobs.

The out-of-wedlock birthrate is more than 40% in America. In 1960, only 11% of children in the U.S. lived apart from their fathers. In 2010, that share had risen to 27%. Men are also less religious than ever before. According to Gallup polling, 39% of men reported attending church regularly in 2010, compared to 47% of women.

And? How is that a problem? I'm not saying its not, but he throws out these stats but gives no explanation as to why I should give a shiat about what % of men go to church. And how does the % of children living apart from their fathers show that "men are in trouble". I guess we should roll back the clock to when women were ostracized for getting a divorce, and instead suffered abusive husbands and relationships. Hey, Mr Smith might beat the shiat out of his wife and kid every Saturday night in a drunken rage, but at least they aren't divorced!

"The End of Men," Hanna Rosin unearthed the unprecedented role reversal that is taking place today. "Man has been the dominant sex since, well, the dawn of mankind. But for the first time in human history, that is changing-and with shocking speed," writes Rosin. The changes in modern labor -- from backs to brains -- have catapulted women to the top of the work force, leaving men in their dust.

So there's no more glass ceiling? Women now make more then men do? CEO's of large corporations are now dominated by women? No? Then shut the fark up.

Today, 18-to- 34-year-old men spend more time playing video games a day than 12-to- 17-year-old boys.

Maybe 18-34 year olds have less homework than kids still in high school? Maybe they have more disposable income to buy games? And what does he want these guys doing after a day at work? Going to a second job? Going to the bar to get drunk with friends?
 
2011-10-06 02:25:18 AM
n 1950, 5% of men at the prime working age were unemployed. As of last year, 20% were not working, the highest ever recorded.

In 1950 good workers were rewarded with raises and job security. as of last year, companies will fire you if you've been at the company too long so thy can hire a younger person at half the price.

Also in 1950, a good worker who was being treated poorly or unfairly could quit and have another job before the week was over with. as of last year....well...for the most part that is no longer possible.
 
2011-10-06 02:29:32 AM

tallguywithglasseson: Alternative title: Why Nobody Gives a shiat What Bill Bennett Thinks Anymore


succinct. He's another intellectually and morally bankrupt member of the Right, calling for sacrifice for everyone but himself and those he knows well. He is not worthy of a measured, coherent dialog because there is no reason to think he would listen. He is a silly old man straining to be relevant in a world that no longer trusts anything he says, where the only men listening to him are other silly old men. So, Bill: shush.
 
2011-10-06 02:29:40 AM
This kind of whiney baloney really burns my biscuits.

Why are 'real men' so scarce? Because all our lives we've been told that we're inferior to women ("men are pigs") and that we should do everything we can to promote a vision of equality that puts women first, and men last after children, animals and civil rights.

I had to drop out of college because my penis prevented me from benefitting from the firehose of financial aid that is available to females. Denying financial aid to women is sexist; denying financial aid to men is the norm.

I am not saying that women are the inferior sex, or that men are superior. I am saying that, as long as we as a society promote one gender over the other, whichever is promoted will get the gravy while the other gets the shaft.

Right now, lots of men have sat back and said "Screw it; if women want to do all the work, let them." Women want to have a career and babies and a social life? Awesome. About that:

Your career will take up a lot more time than you want to devote to it, and probably give you health problems, just like all the men that used to drop dead at 50, and will cut deeply into the time you want to spend with your children and social life. You can probably manage one of those things well, two of them satisfactorily, but all three at the same time will push you into an early grave... just like in your grandparents' or great-grandparents' generation. Have fun with that; I'm going to be over here taking care of my aged mother and playing video games in my spare time.
 
2011-10-06 03:15:48 AM
Women in general don't need men anymore. I blame Science and D-cell batteries.
 
2011-10-06 03:16:37 AM
If playing video games with my girlfriend and sleeping in on Sunday morning is wrong, then I don't want to be right.
 
2011-10-06 03:34:28 AM

Sgt Otter: If playing video games with my girlfriend and sleeping in on Sunday morning is wrong, then I don't want to be right.


It seems to be a pet project of the religious and republicans... control, control, control.

Control a person by shackling them in a marriage, control a person by making them feel guilty for things by using religion, control control control.

It really pisses them off that the current generation isn't taking to being shackled and controlled in the traditional ways.
 
2011-10-06 04:36:53 AM
TheCheese: I had to drop out of college because my penis prevented me from benefitting from the firehose of financial aid that is available to females.


Ha ha that's not the real reason, but rationalizing it like that makes you feel better.
 
2011-10-06 04:39:05 AM

mamoru: they play too many video games, don't get married, and aren't religious enough

Yo.


'Sup?
 
2011-10-06 04:43:09 AM
Hey, I resemble that remark!
 
2011-10-06 04:43:36 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Sgt Otter: If playing video games with my girlfriend and sleeping in on Sunday morning is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

It seems to be a pet project of the religious and republicans... control, control, control.

Control a person by shackling them in a marriage, control a person by making them feel guilty for things by using religion, control control control.

It really pisses them off that the current generation isn't taking to being shackled and controlled in the traditional ways.


Does this mean we have to make "them" sammiches?
Ok ladies, time has come. Put your tits away and get a longer skirt. You flash us what you want and we do the rest in the next ten seconds in our head anyway. Hey hot bitach? Wanna fark? No? Too bad, I'm gunna have you tonite regardless. I got two heads and can use both and finish you before you can shoot me an ugly look.

With that being said.

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FWC 4 LIFE!

And if you don't like that ladies, we got 2 words for ya....
 
2011-10-06 04:44:08 AM
It's a white conservative guy using the media interpretation of modern black culture and applying it to all males. Rich white guys are fine. no worries, ladies.
 
2011-10-06 04:44:24 AM
Fark Bill Bennett and his elitist analysis of the world. He knows nothing of the world in which average people exist. I'm a single man of 49 years with no kids and no religion and plenty of education and I say he can suck my dick.
 
2011-10-06 04:44:48 AM
Go away, baitin'!

/Man/child
// Fine, child/man
 
2011-10-06 04:45:32 AM
So I guess that's the end of /b/tards, then.
 
2011-10-06 04:46:01 AM
Oh yeah? Well, women get fat.
 
2011-10-06 04:47:27 AM
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/got nuffin
 
2011-10-06 04:47:42 AM
What about videogame-playing, unmarried, non-religious women?

Where do they fit into his little narrative?
 
2011-10-06 04:47:45 AM
Confirmed bachelor here. I'm not even gay. We're done with you unless you're a drunk tourist who doesn't need a wind gust to lift her skirt.

/not a gamer
 
2011-10-06 04:50:12 AM
good
 
2011-10-06 04:51:22 AM
So, in other words, free?

/ Imokwiththis.jpg
 
2011-10-06 04:58:09 AM
It sounds like men have it better than ever. Hell yeah. Video games, lack of responsibillity, and, well I guess we don't get free pussy anymore.
 
2011-10-06 04:58:54 AM
Men are less likely to go to college, but when we do go we are more likely to get useful degrees... engineering vs liberal arts...
 
2011-10-06 05:00:14 AM
despite the alarmist claims in the article, men still control most of the business world, especially at c-level.
 
2011-10-06 05:04:16 AM
Well, I don't doubt some of what he says is starting to become more and more noticeable among young men.


There seems to be a trend in people becoming more worse and sucking at life...that or everyone is just starting to complain why things aren't better for them.
 
2011-10-06 05:04:51 AM
I guess unconditional love is only supposed to go one way.
 
2011-10-06 05:08:45 AM
Men are in decline rule because they play too many video games, don't get married, and aren't religious enough

/drtfa
 
2011-10-06 05:13:26 AM
As a man, I'm not sure why I should be worried that women are making good wages and getting educated.
 
2011-10-06 05:14:40 AM
I also resemble this remark...

OTOH I also have a high paying job, have lots of friends and am internationally mobile.... am I really doing it wrong? My life's a blast, apart from when it's boring of course.
 
2011-10-06 05:18:41 AM
Sorry whiny biatches. No child support, alimony, giving up half my stuff OR, to prevent that, becoming subservient to some quickly-deteriorating harpie who won't F**k anymore now that she has the ring/kid/marriage she wanted.

/Free forever.
//I'll just have to drown my sorrow at not living up to Bill's expectation in disposable income and younger women.
 
2011-10-06 05:20:25 AM

sirgarr02: Well, I don't doubt some of what he says is starting to become more and more noticeable among young men.


There seems to be a trend in people becoming more worse and sucking at life...that or everyone is just starting to complain why things aren't better for them.


ya, i'm sucking more worse and worse everyday.
 
2011-10-06 05:22:30 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".


This! Marriage is nothing more than a contract that says your girlfriend gets half your shiat when you break up! There is nothing in marriage that is good for a man, so why the fark do it? As for god and all that shiat.. where do I start?
 
2011-10-06 05:23:58 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: What about videogame-playing, unmarried, non-religious women?

Where do they fit into his little narrative?


Canada
 
2011-10-06 05:25:21 AM
Men are more distant from a family or their children then they have ever been.

This farkup can't even tell the difference between then and than.
 
2011-10-06 05:25:25 AM
Also this annoys me -

"In 1950, 5% of men at the prime working age were unemployed. As of last year, 20% were not working, the highest ever recorded."

For multiple reasons. Firstly, in an article about the progression of women it uses the old-fashioned notion that men must work to be successful at life. Secondly it seems perfectly natural to me that if more women are working then, in a more equal society, some men will stay at home.

Meh, I say, meh. His picture is entertaining.


i2.cdn.turner.com

It appears somebody has just told William Bennett that there will be no pudding tonight. No, no pudding for you, William Bennett. You've been bad.
 
2011-10-06 05:26:44 AM
Men are in decline GETTING SMARTER because evidenced by the facts that they play too many video games, don't get married, and aren't religious enough
 
2011-10-06 05:31:39 AM

gmoney101: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".


This! Marriage is nothing more than a contract that says your girlfriend gets half your shiat when you break up! There is nothing in marriage that is good for a man, so why the fark do it? As for god and all that shiat.. where do I start?


PUSSY! On a consistent basis.
 
2011-10-06 05:32:13 AM
The stats on university completion are skewed due to the fact that in an economy where it is increasingly harder to send kids to post secondary education, scholarships and bursaries are more important than ever. There are hundreds more opportunities available for women to apply for post secondary funding than there are for men, particularly non-minority men.

As a believer in equality, I think that it is time to outlaw gender requirements on post secondary funding. In this day and age, there is no reason why one gender should get a bigger slice of the pie simply because they have different naughty parts.
 
2011-10-06 05:34:44 AM
Meh. Enjoy it while they can. Once the oil runs out, the planet's resources are stripped, and the ice sheets return, it'll be up to us again.
 
2011-10-06 05:34:55 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: What about videogame-playing, unmarried, non-religious women?

Where do they fit into his little narrative?


you don't wanna know.
 
2011-10-06 05:35:03 AM
Pay attention to me instead of playing video games!

Give me the perfect fairy tale wedding I've been dreaming about since I was six years old!

Go to church to learn how god will punish you if you turn to another woman for sex after I stop giving it to you!

Why aren't there any good men around?

Ladies, if the video games are more appealing than you are maybe you should try some introspection.

/Just remembered there aren't any ladies on the internet
//Nevermind
 
2011-10-06 05:37:39 AM
/just got done installing a psp into my Real Doll after throwing away a bible so getting a kick
 
2011-10-06 05:38:42 AM
okay i play Driv3r mostly ...but religious enough?

+10 for Subby
 
2011-10-06 05:39:36 AM
get rid of the no-fault divorce and prevent woman collecting alimony and we can then talk about equality

too many gold diggers out there who think they can live life just based on their looks
 
2011-10-06 05:39:43 AM
Also, I am sick and tired of gender bias in media. Finding a strong male character in most popular TV is almost impossible these days, at least in sitcoms. However, the worst bias is in advertising. Next time you are in the car for a good while, listen to the advertising on the radio. When good and bad products and services are compared in ads the crappier ones are always voiced by men, whereas the superior goods or services are always voiced by women. Same thing when portraying smart/stupid consumers. Women are always shown to be the smart ones.
 
2011-10-06 05:40:29 AM
Part of the problem is that women have always been told to marry or date up, so as women get more educated and obtain better jobs, their pool of "acceptable" mates shrinks. They see no one as an acceptable match and then complain that all men are lazy and there are no good single men left. What they really mean is that there are no single men left that are good enough for me. They don't want to date or marry down, yet they still expect us to.
 
2011-10-06 05:41:23 AM

omgwtfetc: gmoney101: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".


This! Marriage is nothing more than a contract that says your girlfriend gets half your shiat when you break up! There is nothing in marriage that is good for a man, so why the fark do it? As for god and all that shiat.. where do I start?

PUSSY! On a consistent basis.


Used and reeks of other men.
/why do you taste like a rubber? You've been at work all daaaaaaaaay hey wait a minute....
 
2011-10-06 05:41:31 AM
The current situation is actually beneficial for everyone. Both genders have more freedom than ever before. Women always complain about how men have controlled society since the dawn of time, and that they've been forced to be baby-raising domestic servants or accessories to be shown off. That's no longer required. They can work, go to school, run a business - anything they want.

On the other hand, men are now free from their own form of control. We no longer have to be god-fearing, hard-working, bread-winning family men. If we decided we want to live life for ourselves that is no longer a problem.

There are still a bunch of old guys trying to push their outdated views on younger people, but don't worry - they'll all be dead soon enough. Their time is already past.

The usual group of Work Ethic Defenders will surely be by to loudly proclaim that guys who sit at home single and spending their time gaming are worthless, pathetic shadows of real men. However, men such as those described by the article are not forcing themselves to spend their lives chained to one career, shiatty marriages or a belief system.

Work Ethic types can scream until they are blue in the face about values and morals and elevate themselves to pedestals so high they burn up in the sun. The real concern is, who is actually happy? I guarantee that the guy with less responsibilities and more free time is far, far happier. Peace and happiness are the ultimate pursuits in life, and for the men who do not wish to be chained to careers or families, they now finally have an option to achieve those things. How is that possibly a bad thing? Fewer men now need live a lie.

I'm sure some men do find happiness in careers, marriage and religion. That's great for those guys. However, their way is no longer the only way. To that I raise a glass!
 
2011-10-06 05:44:10 AM
The part of this that is obvious to me (even before all my predecessors on this thread so kindly exposed all his facts for snake oil) is that Bennet seems to have written the article to either shame or anger men into getting back into the old groove of oppressing women.

We reap what we sow Mr. Bennet, We as white men oppressed just about anybody who isn't a white man. Now we have affirmative action, which is nothing more than accepted racism against white men. You want us to go back to what brought us into this mess you claim we are in with women? I'm sorry, Mr. Bennet, but even as a man of maturity and morals, I submit that you are an asshat. Good day, sir.
 
2011-10-06 05:44:24 AM
In addition, they're always on his lawn.

/plays too many video games
//not very religious
///married anyway, go figure huh?
 
2011-10-06 05:45:45 AM

ShawnDoc: And what does he want these guys doing after a day at work? Going to a second job? Going to the bar to get drunk with friends?


Duh!!! Go to the casino! (new window)
 
2011-10-06 05:47:58 AM

ShawnDoc: In 1970, men earned 60% of all college degrees. In 1980, the figure fell to 50%, by 2006 it was 43%.

So what percentage of men are getting college degrees? All this stat shows is that more women are going to college than in 1970. My guess is the % of men getting degrees has stayed nearly the same (or else they would have used that number), as men are more likely to go into a trade or other blue collar job than women are. Women are much more likely then men to get a job teaching or in an office, where you need a college degree.



Women often crowd majors like psychology, english etc etc. Most of science and engineering is a veritable sausage fest. If women are in science and mathematics, most of them inexorably go to teaching.

Additionally, the modern college system of courses and grading favor women's learning style (citation is Google search). The calculus and pre-calc classes I taught had the girls scoring much better than guys but it seems women hate jobs where they are in a lab or somewhere that they can't help people directly and thus are never in science and engineering.

ShawnDoc: In 1950, 5% of men at the prime working age were unemployed. As of last year, 20% were not working, the highest ever recorded.

What was the economy like in 1950 vs today? I'm guessing they weren't suffering the worst economy since the great depression. Again, another worthless "statistic" since we aren't given anything to compare it with. I'm sure the low unemployment in 1950 also had nothing to do with all the men who were taken out of the work force when they died in WWII. What % of women were unemployed in 195? I bet you'll find that there's a much higher number of working women these days, so you've got a much larger pool of people fighting for jobs.



The US has become a service economy, service jobs are more suited to women than men.

ShawnDoc: The out-of-wedlock birthrate is more than 40% in America. In 1960, only 11% of children in the U.S. lived apart from their fathers. In 2010, that share had risen to 27%. Men are also less religious than ever before. According to Gallup polling, 39% of men reported attending church regularly in 2010, compared to 47% of women.

And? How is that a problem? I'm not saying its not, but he throws out these stats but gives no explanation as to why I should give a shiat about what % of men go to church. And how does the % of children living apart from their fathers show that "men are in trouble". I guess we should roll back the clock to when women were ostracized for getting a divorce, and instead suffered abusive husbands and relationships. Hey, Mr Smith might beat the shiat out of his wife and kid every Saturday night in a drunken rage, but at least they aren't divorced!



If you're poor, there is much much more assistance for single mothers than for poor families. In Detroit, 8 out 9 children are born out of wedlock, mainly because of the assistance. The out of wedlock statistics is a direct consequence of federal and state policies on assistance.

I doubt the church attending statistics has changed over the years. Church is a social occasion, more likely to be attended by women than men.

ShawnDoc: "The End of Men," Hanna Rosin unearthed the unprecedented role reversal that is taking place today. "Man has been the dominant sex since, well, the dawn of mankind. But for the first time in human history, that is changing-and with shocking speed," writes Rosin. The changes in modern labor -- from backs to brains -- have catapulted women to the top of the work force, leaving men in their dust.

So there's no more glass ceiling? Women now make more then men do? CEO's of large corporations are now dominated by women? No? Then shut the fark up.



Women will never go to engineering, research, programming or trades like electrician, mechanic. Men and women compete for the same job in a limited sections of the economy.

ShawnDoc: Today, 18-to- 34-year-old men spend more time playing video games a day than 12-to- 17-year-old boys.

Maybe 18-34 year olds have less homework than kids still in high school? Maybe they have more disposable income to buy games? And what does he want these guys doing after a day at work? Going to a second job? Going to the bar to get drunk with friends?



The best games are rated mature, that are recommended for 17 and over. It's very convenient to make the cutoff mark 17. Most games are targeted towards 18-34 males and so maybe that's why they spend more time playing it. Young girls probably spend more time in the mall than older women.
 
2011-10-06 05:50:51 AM
not married: check
play games: check
no religion: check
no kids: check

freedom: check
happy: check


i don't see a problem here?
 
2011-10-06 05:51:29 AM
Women are less likely to get useful degrees, so it all balances out. Anything engineering? Sausage fest. Women's studies? English? Earth sciences? Something to do while hunting for a college educated husband.
 
2011-10-06 06:01:08 AM
This article infuriates me.

It's too early for me to be articulate about why.

I will go grumble into my morning Coke Zero.
 
2011-10-06 06:04:26 AM
I'm sorry but Battlefield 3 is more important than you right now. How about you make me a sammich and grab me a beer?
 
2011-10-06 06:04:35 AM

omgwtfetc: gmoney101: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".


This! Marriage is nothing more than a contract that says your girlfriend gets half your shiat when you break up! There is nothing in marriage that is good for a man, so why the fark do it? As for god and all that shiat.. where do I start?

PUSSY! On a consistent basis.


Not for this married guy! :(
 
2011-10-06 06:05:48 AM
I was able to shed the religious indoctrinations of my childhood because of advancing maturity...I would argue that declining church membership is a good thing.
 
2011-10-06 06:06:49 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: What about videogame-playing, unmarried, non-religious women?

Where do they fit into his little narrative?


My ex.

/good riddance
 
2011-10-06 06:07:41 AM
"...aren't religious enough"

Like a priest?
 
2011-10-06 06:10:42 AM

omgwtfetc: gmoney101: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".


This! Marriage is nothing more than a contract that says your girlfriend gets half your shiat when you break up! There is nothing in marriage that is good for a man, so why the fark do it? As for god and all that shiat.. where do I start?

PUSSY! On a consistent basis.


Clearly, you have been in a typical marriage for MANY years.
 
2011-10-06 06:10:58 AM

Frank Bohica: omgwtfetc: gmoney101: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".


This! Marriage is nothing more than a contract that says your girlfriend gets half your shiat when you break up! There is nothing in marriage that is good for a man, so why the fark do it? As for god and all that shiat.. where do I start?

PUSSY! On a consistent basis.

Not for this married guy! :(


once or twice a year hardly constitutes consistent.
 
2011-10-06 06:11:20 AM
Women will always be dependent on men as long as there are spiders.
 
2011-10-06 06:11:39 AM
Women are in decline because they don't play enough videogames, don't get married, and are too religious.

*Fixed.
 
2011-10-06 06:13:30 AM

meatofmystery: not married: check
play games: check
no religion: check
no kids: check

freedom: check
happy: check


i don't see a problem here?




The last time I've entered a church not for the occasion of a funeral or a friend's/relative's wedding or to volunteer at a soup kitchen was on the occasion of my being baptized. And my mother confessed to me a year before she died that the one and only reason that she went through with that was to get her own religiously-insane mother off of her back.

I will admit that I scarcely play video/computer games anymore now that I'm working full-time (and have found so many other distractions on the web) but other than that, you pretty much put down in writing what was in my mind.
 
2011-10-06 06:14:52 AM
/female
//work and college full time
///married and I get laid whenever the fark I want

Good enough.
 
2011-10-06 06:17:08 AM
Where is Tyler Durdin?
 
2011-10-06 06:17:47 AM

Laird of the Cats: /female
//work and college full time
///married and I get laid whenever the fark I want

Good enough.


Not when you're married to someone who never wants to get laid
 
2011-10-06 06:20:10 AM

bighairyguy: Women will always be dependent on men as long as there are spiders.


Hey! I catch my own damned spiders thankyou.
 
2011-10-06 06:20:52 AM

battery1979: Laird of the Cats: /female
//work and college full time
///married and I get laid whenever the fark I want

Good enough.

Not when you're married to someone who never wants to get laid


Not true...
 
2011-10-06 06:22:12 AM

bighairyguy: Women will always be dependent on men as long as there are spiders.


True statement. Snakes too.
 
2011-10-06 06:24:19 AM

coordman: Fluorescent Testicle: What about videogame-playing, unmarried, non-religious women?

Where do they fit into his little narrative?

My ex.

/good riddance


Well jeez man, talk about one man's trash being another man's treasure.

Hook a brother up
 
2011-10-06 06:25:50 AM

Laird of the Cats: /female
//work and college full time
///married and I get laid whenever the fark I want

Good enough.


Yes, but do you get laid whenever the fark HE wants? You getting laid when -you- want isn't exactly news.

/I know there are exceptions, because I'm dating one now. But how long do they remain exceptions? After kids? etc,etc,etc..
//Marriage is like getting a 30 year contract on a sleek new smartphone. With a $300,000 early termination fee...and it costs $4k/month...and it does nothing but ring at you the whole weekend, whether you feel like answering or not...and (shudder) there's no silent mode (vibrate breaks after 3 years ;)
///Gonna keep "dating" her forever. ;)
 
2011-10-06 06:33:28 AM
Title is "Why Men are in Trouble"

Im thinking it has something to do with the Toilet Seat... or looking at the produce girl at WalMart.

/ at least thats why *I* get in trouble.
 
2011-10-06 06:34:27 AM
This article doesn't surprise me in the least, I had to meet my husband through an exclusive dating service that I paid quite well to weed out the losers that infest the dating scene. The more common services seemed to specialize in the type of "man" that seemed to excel in video games and being unemployed. I finally met my husband through the service, pricey but worth every dollar spent.
 
2011-10-06 06:36:05 AM

electricjebus: Men are less likely to go to college, but when we do go we are more likely to get useful degrees... engineering vs liberal arts...


You haven't been to college lately
 
2011-10-06 06:36:09 AM
Again, far too many things to be angry about in here, yada yada yada. I just found his rallying cry to not really sell the ideals he is hoping for anyway. "stop playing video games for five hours, get a challenging job and get married"?

It just sounds like he loathes the fact we have the leisure time-filled life that his generations spent their lives attempting to create. I don't think this man would be happy at all if we had a nation of high-flying, disposable income types who worked healthy hours and spent their free time on things they actually enjoyed. He just seems to equate man with "work work work work work work work maintain the home sleep". It's also a typical bootstrappy denial of the fact that jobs are hard to find these days, and a convenient 21st century slacker image to blame for far bigger failings.

We saw what happened to our fathers and grandfathers who lived your ideal life, good sir. We saw the unhappy marriages, the sadness behind all the facades of the ideal man, the problems hidden behind picket fences. We saw the leagues of husbands work their way into ill health and early graves, and then watch companies shaft them over right at the end despite their countless hours of overtime and loyalty.

We're just reaping the benefits of the life you made for us, while learning from its mistakes.

\ and people watch Mad Men and hanker for us to be a nation of Don Drapers? Don't they get that show at all?
\\ games are a fantastic outlet for letting off steam after a day in my "challenging job". They grew up with us, just as the older generations still make model airplanes, or work on their gardens, or watch the sports they used to play and watch with their dads.
\\\ Not to poke the religion bear with a stick too hard (everyone's beliefs respected etc.) but if you don't believe in an afterlife too confidently, why burn out the life you have waiting for a reward?
 
2011-10-06 06:37:28 AM
What a dope. "In 1970, men earned 60% of all college degrees. In 1980, the figure fell to 50%, by 2006 it was 43%. Women now surpass men in college degrees by almost three to two."

Yeah dumbass, that'd be 57% to 43%. The only way for men to earn a higher percentage of degrees is if women earned fewer. His issue is not with men getting worse, it's with women getting better.

Also, a 4 year degree gets you what in the modern world? It's not 1970 anymore.
 
2011-10-06 06:37:55 AM

Fizics: This article doesn't surprise me in the least, I had to meet my husband through an exclusive dating service that I paid quite well to weed out the losers that infest the dating scene. The more common services seemed to specialize in the type of "man" that seemed to excel in video games and being unemployed. I finally met my husband through the service, pricey but worth every dollar spent.


If I had any sort of computery knowledge, you'd be getting a healthy dose of obvioustrollisobvious.jpg. I'm just going to assume you're being snarky though, so no troll tag for you
 
2011-10-06 06:38:48 AM
Complaining after getting what they asked for. sounds fair or something.
 
2011-10-06 06:39:26 AM
CNN is such crap. You need a widescreen to accommodate the stick everyone's got up their asses.

Every time I see Candy Crowley on something, I think of a comment my 15-year-old nephew made about her: "Her parents named her after her favorite food."
 
2011-10-06 06:39:29 AM

hamdingers: What a dope. "In 1970, men earned 60% of all college degrees. In 1980, the figure fell to 50%, by 2006 it was 43%. Women now surpass men in college degrees by almost three to two."

Yeah dumbass, that'd be 57% to 43%. The only way for men to earn a higher percentage of degrees is if women earned fewer. His issue is not with men getting worse, it's with women getting better.

Also, a 4 year degree gets you what in the modern world? It's not 1970 anymore.


A job at McDonalds?
 
2011-10-06 06:39:44 AM
they play too many video games, don't get married, and aren't religious enough

Representin'.
 
2011-10-06 06:45:23 AM

Laird of the Cats: bighairyguy: Women will always be dependent on men as long as there are spiders.

Hey! I catch my own damned spiders thankyou.


img822.imageshack.us
 
2011-10-06 06:48:38 AM
FTA: "The Founding Fathers believed, and the evidence still shows, that industriousness, marriage and religion are a very important basis for male empowerment and achievement"

Uh what? There's so much derp and opinion-as-fact here I don't know where to start.

Also, if invisible sky men from books written 6000 years ago aren't going to get me to do something, telling me guys from 200 years ago agree isn't going to change my mind.

Truth is, I'm happily married and I work hard - because it was my choice not because some external force told me it was the right thing to do.

Now... back to Dark Souls.
 
2011-10-06 06:51:40 AM
why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?
 
2011-10-06 06:53:29 AM
Check, check, and check, and I'd like to punch Bill Bennett in the face.
 
2011-10-06 07:03:31 AM

Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?


It's a socially accepted schizophrenic thing. You wouldn't understand.
 
2011-10-06 07:10:59 AM

dickfreckle: Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?

It's a socially accepted schizophrenic thing. You wouldn't understand.


goddam Ausbergers getting in the way again!
 
2011-10-06 07:11:22 AM
Decline, or assent to awesomeness?
 
2011-10-06 07:11:50 AM

hamdingers: FTA: "The Founding Fathers believed, and the evidence still shows, that industriousness, marriage and religion are a very important basis for male empowerment and achievement"

Uh what? There's so much derp and opinion-as-fact here I don't know where to start.

Also, if invisible sky men from books written 6000 years ago aren't going to get me to do something, telling me guys from 200 years ago agree isn't going to change my mind.

Truth is, I'm happily married and I work hard - because it was my choice not because some external force told me it was the right thing to do.

Now... back to Dark Souls.


For this shining bit of wisdom, a true pearl on Fark, I shall invade your game and slay you with a minimum of fuss and no heal spamming. Promise.
 
2011-10-06 07:12:30 AM

FirstNationalBastard: This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".


As someone who is now obligated by the state of Florida to pay alimony for life despite my lack of fault, I say, "This".

/bitter? you'd better believe it
 
2011-10-06 07:17:21 AM

dickfreckle: Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?

It's a socially accepted schizophrenic thing. You wouldn't understand.


One of the funniest things I learned in my Psychiatry rotation is that "religion (etc)" has to be specifically excluded from the definition of delusional disorder. You know...cuz it's not OK to call religious people delusional in the DSM.

"according to the Diagnostic Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR).[1] It defines delusions as false beliefs based on incorrect inference about external reality that persist despite the evidence to the contrary and these beliefs are not ordinarily accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture."

/Also applies to anti-vaccinators, anti-fluoridators, and dippy "toxin" cleansers.
 
2011-10-06 07:20:29 AM

Fuzzy Cheese: Now we have affirmative action, which is nothing more than accepted racism against white men.


That's not even remotely true.

The misunderstanding about what "affirmative action" means is staggering. And as pervasive as the non-problems that Billy Bennett is complaining about in the article.
 
2011-10-06 07:22:19 AM

bighairyguy: Women will always be dependent on men as long as there are spiders.


And flat tires.
 
2011-10-06 07:22:20 AM

omgwtfetc: gmoney101: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".


This! Marriage is nothing more than a contract that says your girlfriend gets half your shiat when you break up! There is nothing in marriage that is good for a man, so why the fark do it? As for god and all that shiat.. where do I start?

PUSSY! On a consistent basis.


Being controlled by a pussy is being controlled and being a pussy.

/fark it
 
2011-10-06 07:23:28 AM
If you don't believe the numbers, just ask young women about men today. You will find them talking about prolonged adolescence and men who refuse to grow up. I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?" There is a maturity deficit among men out there, and men are falling behind.

uhm, don't ask me. i'm 30, female and totally immature.

feminism: a bunch of self-absorbed female chauvinist pigs thinking they have the right to tell men AND women what is 'the right way to behave'.
guys, i understand you're more than fed up with their nonsense, but please realize these biatches are just as haughty, self-serving and unfair towards their fellow women.
 
2011-10-06 07:24:14 AM
I fit that definition of a declining man quite well.

Im not married. My girlfriend of 7 years doesn't care about that crap and neither do I, we can think of better things to spend 1000s of dollars on and the defacto laws in Australia mean we have the same legal rights as a married couple anyhow because we have been living together for 5 years.

I play too many computer games. Yep, 400+ games on Steam alone and its a toss up each week to whether I read or play games more in my lesuire time. The best bit about disposable income is I can spend it on whatever the hell I like and don't care about what some guy born in the 40s thinks.

I am not religious. Because when I was 12 I turned around to my parents and told them I didn't want to go to church anymore because I didn't believe in the invisible sky wizard, and in what is hands down the best moment of parenting they ever did they respected my decision and let me stay home whilst they went churching with my other siblings.

I have no degree. Yet I have been university educated (got bored with it) and now work in an executive role at a University. In the latest of constant and continuous employment in a range of jobs for the last 20 years which has me all but an easily managable mortgage debt free.

If my life is the "decline of man" well decline away cause I'm clearly a lot happier about it than that geriatric.

Though it could be a generational difference, after all my definition of (hu)manliness is as follows and doesnt have any of Bill's ideals.

"A real human knows how to and could build the the house they live in and can make an intelligent educated attempt to fix any appliance inside it."

/ If your Weeners to a broken washing machine is to call for help or buy a new one, you have failed the species.
// Human rather than man because if you use the bits between your legs to justify why you can or cannot do anything besides giving birth you also have failed the species.
 
2011-10-06 07:24:30 AM

Fizics: This article doesn't surprise me in the least, I had to meet my husband through an exclusive dating service that I paid quite well to weed out the losers that infest the dating scene. The more common services seemed to specialize in the type of "man" that seemed to excel in video games and being unemployed. I finally met my husband through the service, pricey but worth every dollar spent.


9/10

There's something slightly off, stylistically, but I can't quite put my finger on it. You should get a ton of bites.

Well done.
 
2011-10-06 07:25:04 AM

Aar1012: If you don't believe the numbers, just ask young women about men today. You will find them talking about prolonged adolescence and men who refuse to grow up. I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?"

Most women will ask that to the guy they friend zoned


Oh, I know.

Here's what I've learned about the friend zone: you can get out of it, but biatches ain't worth it. A lady will straight up tell you yes or no. But a biatch, she'll say maybe. And maybe means "Never gonna love you." so it's best to just move on and hope you never see her again.
 
2011-10-06 07:27:39 AM

Greymalkin:

/ If your Weeners to a broken washing machine is to call for help or buy a new one, you have failed the species.


DAMN YOU FARK FILTER!!

F I R S T - R E S P O N S E.

If you are weenering your washing machine you are also doing something wrong.
 
2011-10-06 07:28:11 AM

tallguywithglasseson: Snarfangel: I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?"

Lol, he wrote that?

The kind of women who keep asking this question usually have quite a lot more to do with their own relationship problems than they would like everyone to believe.



So you're saying they're like the dudes who ask why chicks date jerks, and why they won't date "nice guys" like themselves?

/hint: you're not that nice a guy.
 
2011-10-06 07:29:32 AM

alex10294: /Also applies to anti-vaccinators, anti-fluoridators, and dippy "toxin" cleansers.


I have to work very hard not to be judgmental. I'm an arrogant prick who tends to dismiss people quickly for being dumbasses. But despite my constant and vigilant efforts, there remains one immediate knee-jerk reaction that I don't think I'll ever be able to stamp out - as soon as someone says they "don't believe in vaccines" I immediately dismiss them as a vacuous idiot, and strain mightily against the sudden urge to punch them in the face.
 
2011-10-06 07:30:36 AM

Uncle Wiggly: tallguywithglasseson: Alternative title: Why Nobody Gives a shiat What Bill Bennett Thinks Anymore

succinct. He's another intellectually and morally bankrupt member of the Right, calling for sacrifice for everyone but himself and those he knows well. He is not worthy of a measured, coherent dialog because there is no reason to think he would listen. He is a silly old man straining to be relevant in a world that no longer trusts anything he says, where the only men listening to him are other silly old men. So, Bill: shush.


THIS. When I saw it was an article by Bennett, I closed the browser window.
 
2011-10-06 07:30:48 AM
If you give a shiat about 'manliness', you've already failed at life.
 
2011-10-06 07:30:55 AM

Snarfangel:
"I've heard too many young men asking, 'Where are the decent single women?


not in my bed
 
2011-10-06 07:32:36 AM
F*ck that noise.

/Church is for losers, marriage is for suckers, and video games are awesome.
 
2011-10-06 07:34:48 AM
As a one time young man who got married, quit playing video games, started going to church more and is now getting divorced I'm calling bullskeet on this "men today are to immature to be useful nonsense."
 
2011-10-06 07:39:06 AM

Aar1012: If you don't believe the numbers, just ask young women about men today. You will find them talking about prolonged adolescence and men who refuse to grow up. I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?"

Most women will ask that to the guy they friend zoned after he asked them out and they went back to their cheating ex.


/But but but confidence!


whoa that really happens? I don't feel like such an ass now.
 
2011-10-06 07:40:09 AM

BreezyWheeze:

I have to work very hard not to be judgmental. I'm an arrogant prick who tends to dismiss people quickly for being dumbasses. But despite my constant and vigilant efforts, there remains one immediate knee-jerk reaction that I don't think I'll ever be able to stamp out - as soon as someone says they "don't believe in vaccines" I immediately dismiss them as a vacuous idiot, and strain mightily against the sudden urge to punch them in the face.


Oh thank god I'm not alone. Though I add creationists to the list and I prefer to punch them.
 
2011-10-06 07:41:59 AM

doglover: Here's what I've learned about the friend zone: you can get out of it, but biatches ain't worth it. A lady will straight up tell you yes or no. But a biatch, she'll say maybe. And maybe means "Never gonna love you." so it's best to just move on and hope you never see her again.


No way. She shoots you down, make a point of being seen occasionally, in the company of younger or more attractive women. If she ever changes her mind, then you get to turn her down. Then wait a few weeks and say, "hey wanna go get lunch?" You'll be knocking booties before the day is over.

Greymalkin: "A real human knows how to and could build the the house they live in and can make an intelligent educated attempt to fix any appliance inside it." If your Weeners to a broken washing machine is to call for help or buy a new one, you have failed the species.


That calls to mind the Heinlien quote about how how humans should be able to do a million different things.

Nice in theory, but I've gotta disagree in practice. I'm a huge fan of the fundamental tenet of civilization -- specialization of labor. I don't expect my doctor to be able to build his own house. I don't expect my contractor to be able to figure out what to prescribe for a rash.

I'm (mostly) a science teacher. I don't expect my barista to know how to explain the Fluid Mosaic Model of the cell membrane or Le Chatalier Equilibrium problems, and I would think my barista wouldn't expect me to know how to make the perfect latte.

I would suggest a different test for "failing the species" that doesn't hinge on mechanical engineering: "A real human continues learning throughout their whole life. If you hold any important opinions that you have not challenged, deepened, or explored critically within the past few years then you have failed the species."
 
2011-10-06 07:42:28 AM

BreezyWheeze: bighairyguy: Women will always be dependent on men as long as there are spiders.

And flat tires.


Not necessarily. My mom was quite proud of the fact she could change a tire when she was 14. Her dad made that a condition of her getting a drivers licence, also at age 14.

/Can you image 14 year olds driving these days?
 
2011-10-06 07:43:04 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: What about videogame-playing, unmarried, non-religious women?

Where do they fit into his little narrative?


Yeah, I'd like to know. 36 year old, college degree holder, never been married, no kids, bowed out of church antics almost 10 years ago. All I want is someone to raid with. Strong stomach a must...I'm a nurse and I talk about work. Is that too much to ask??

/For the Horde!
 
2011-10-06 07:43:40 AM
So as I see it, the only thing that's really changed from the past until now is that, in the olden days, women wouldn't reward loutish, loser men with sex and attention, and nowadays, they do. So basically this is all women's fault. Men can't be blamed for doing what is natural and advantageous to them. If a woman wants to let you sit at home all day working on your "music career" while she's out earning your food and drug money, then she really has no right to complain about the situation. Men will only work as hard as they have to. If you don't provide them with an incentive to work, they won't.

Granted, Men (and women) really shouldn't have to work all that hard to have a decent life. You don't need to live in a castle and have 8 screen TV's. And women, I know you think you deserve a rich millionaire after spending 4 years on your Mrs. Communications Degree, but you'll probably be a lot happier with a poorer, pudgier man with a decent work ethic and an appreciation for the simpler things in life.

So women, stop having unrealistic expectations of men, and if you want them to meet your (realistic) expectations, then stop rewarding them for behavior which doesn't meet those expectations. If you're not willing to do this, then STFU about the quality of available men.
 
2011-10-06 07:44:49 AM

BreezyWheeze: No way. She shoots you down, make a point of being seen occasionally, in the company of younger or more attractive women. If she ever changes her mind, then you get to turn her down. Then wait a few weeks and say, "hey wanna go get lunch?" You'll be knocking booties before the day is over.


I did this. I got the girl. The sex was awesome. But, she never did it again. So I got friend zoned TWICE. Totally not worths its.

Just avoid the biatch, man. A classy lady is probably right down the street.
 
2011-10-06 07:47:12 AM
I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent rich single men?"

fixed for the author
 
2011-10-06 07:47:23 AM

Seth'n'Spectrum: If you give a shiat about 'manliness', you've already failed at life.


QFT
 
2011-10-06 07:48:28 AM
So yeah.... any you guys want to play some starcraft 2 later? My tag is "Secare 964"
 
2011-10-06 07:48:59 AM
Which video games, Bill?
 
2011-10-06 07:49:34 AM

ShawnDoc: In 1970, men earned 60% of all college degrees. In 1980, the figure fell to 50%, by 2006 it was 43%.

So what percentage of men are getting college degrees? All this stat shows is that more women are going to college than in 1970. My guess is the % of men getting degrees has stayed nearly the same (or else they would have used that number), as men are more likely to go into a trade or other blue collar job than women are. Women are much more likely then men to get a job teaching or in an office, where you need a college degree.

William J. Bennett

In 1950, 5% of men at the prime working age were unemployed. As of last year, 20% were not working, the highest ever recorded.

What was the economy like in 1950 vs today? I'm guessing they weren't suffering the worst economy since the great depression. Again, another worthless "statistic" since we aren't given anything to compare it with. I'm sure the low unemployment in 1950 also had nothing to do with all the men who were taken out of the work force when they died in WWII. What % of women were unemployed in 195? I bet you'll find that there's a much higher number of working women these days, so you've got a much larger pool of people fighting for jobs.

The out-of-wedlock birthrate is more than 40% in America. In 1960, only 11% of children in the U.S. lived apart from their fathers. In 2010, that share had risen to 27%. Men are also less religious than ever before. According to Gallup polling, 39% of men reported attending church regularly in 2010, compared to 47% of women.

And? How is that a problem? I'm not saying its not, but he throws out these stats but gives no explanation as to why I should give a shiat about what % of men go to church. And how does the % of children living apart from their fathers show that "men are in trouble". I guess we should roll back the clock to when women were ostracized for getting a divorce, and instead suffered abusive husbands and relationships. Hey, Mr Smith might beat the shiat out of his wife and kid every Saturday night in a drunken rage, but at least they aren't divorced!

"The End of Men," Hanna Rosin unearthed the unprecedented role reversal that is taking place today. "Man has been the dominant sex since, well, the dawn of mankind. But for the first time in human history, that is changing-and with shocking speed," writes Rosin. The changes in modern labor -- from backs to brains -- have catapulted women to the top of the work force, leaving men in their dust.

So there's no more glass ceiling? Women now make more then men do? CEO's of large corporations are now dominated by women? No? Then shut the fark up.

Today, 18-to- 34-year-old men spend more time playing video games a day than 12-to- 17-year-old boys.

Maybe 18-34 year olds have less homework than kids still in high school? Maybe they have more disposable income to buy games? And what does he want these guys doing after a day at work? Going to a second job? Going to the bar to get drunk with friends?


Well said, sir. I was going to make each of these points and you've spoken my words, stolen my thoughts, etc. I shall return to my regularly scheduled video gaming and non-attendance of church.
 
2011-10-06 07:50:26 AM

headhurt: Yeah, I'd like to know. 36 33 year old, college degree holder, never been married, no kids, bowed out of church antics almost 10 17 years ago. All I want is someone to raid with. Strong stomach a must...I'm a nurse law student with a sick sense of humor and I talk about work. Is that too much to ask??

/For the Horde!


That's me.

Well, I bowed out of WoW about two years ago, but while there, Forsaken Priest and Belfadin who had "The Insane" title :)
 
2011-10-06 07:52:13 AM

debug: Part of the problem is that women have always been told to marry or date up, so as women get more educated and obtain better jobs, their pool of "acceptable" mates shrinks. They see no one as an acceptable match and then complain that all men are lazy and there are no good single men left. What they really mean is that there are no single men left that are good enough for me. They don't want to date or marry down, yet they still expect us to.


Ok, for all intents and purposes, I am "The Man." (That's right, I'm the one oppressing everybody.) I'm well educated, gainfully employed, own a house and 3 cars, white, heterosexual, voted almost a straight Republican ticket last time at the poles, and attend chruch weekly (even if I am one of those godless Catholics). I'm single, never married, no children. My household income is double the median (~$50k/yr), and my individual income is triple the male median (~$30k/yr). Now, my question is this, where are the worthwhile women? It's a two way street. In my age range and geographic area the vast majority of single women are uneducated with children or divorces. I expect a woman to bring something positive to the altar. If a woman wants me to provide for her and hers like it's 1960, then I expect her to do likewise. Maybe my standards are too high for this day and age, but it seems like women are living in dreamland too.


Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?


It makes me a better man (than I would be otherwise) because I get a weekly reminder to be more charitable, less selfish, nicer to people around me, and a living example of my expectations of others. I often forget those things, because when I'm surrounded by idiots (which is quite often), I stoop to their level when I should take the high road and not resort to pettiness and laziness in retaliation.
 
2011-10-06 07:52:15 AM

bighairyguy: Not necessarily. My mom was quite proud of the fact she could change a tire when she was 14. Her dad made that a condition of her getting a drivers licence, also at age 14.


Yeah I've made it clear to my girlfriend that if we have kids and she fails to produce a manchild for me, then I will still raise my daughter to be able to change a tire, calculate a slugging percentage, write in at least one programming language, and make fart-noises with her armpit.
 
2011-10-06 07:52:33 AM

omgwtfetc: gmoney101: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".


This! Marriage is nothing more than a contract that says your girlfriend gets half your shiat when you break up! There is nothing in marriage that is good for a man, so why the fark do it? As for god and all that shiat.. where do I start?

PUSSY! On a consistent basis.


This is the argument of someone that couldn't get laid in high school.

After a while, even the best pussy gets boring. And then you're trapped. Terrible idea if your motivated by pussy.
 
2011-10-06 07:52:40 AM
3 out of 3

/declining
 
2011-10-06 07:53:24 AM

Frank Bohica: omgwtfetc: gmoney101: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".


This! Marriage is nothing more than a contract that says your girlfriend gets half your shiat when you break up! There is nothing in marriage that is good for a man, so why the fark do it? As for god and all that shiat.. where do I start?

PUSSY! On a consistent basis.

Not for this married guy! :(


You married the wrong woman. It's no goddamn good, because the one's who fark to marry look pretty much the same as the ones who fark because they like to fark. It's only after the ring's on, kids spawned, house bought, etc. that you really find out which one you chose.

The first time I chose poorly. The second, much, much better.
 
2011-10-06 07:55:56 AM

BreezyWheeze:
That's me.

Well, I bowed out of WoW about two years ago, but while there, Forsaken Priest and Belfadin who had "The Insane" title :)


Friend of mine has that title. Best I could come up with is Warlord and Server first 85.
 
2011-10-06 07:56:12 AM
Men are in recliners.
 
2011-10-06 07:59:14 AM

Yoyo: Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?

It makes me a better man (than I would be otherwise) because I get a weekly reminder to be more charitable, less selfish, nicer to people around me, and a living example of my expectations of others.


One of the things the Catholics do right is tithing. Except the first 10% of your income shouldn't necessarily go to support the Catholic Church, it should go to a charity of your choice (I choose my local animal shelter and NPR affiliate). Doing this makes you think carefully about money, about what is and is not a worthwhile expenditure, and reminds you, every payday, to think about those who don't have the benefit of a regular paycheck.

While I may not agree with Catholics on a huge number of issues, the fundamentally progressive social mission they do (you know actually attempting to live out Jesus's command to care for the poor) always gets an appreciative nod from me.

Now if I could just convince these six old f*ckers down the street to stop picketing in front of the women's health clinic and spend their time at our local Catholic Charities soup kitchen instead, I'd be a happy camper.
 
2011-10-06 08:01:13 AM
this shiat gets on my nerves. saying men need to do certain things to be "men" is like saying women arnt being real women because they arnt in the kitchen making sandwiches. Yes, there are more and more single moms, but thats because women sleep with douche bags they meet at a bar 1 night and wonder why he doesnt wanna stick around and build a faimly when she calls saying "hey remember me?"
 
2011-10-06 08:03:20 AM
So basically he calls out all the liberals basement lurkers on fark?
 
2011-10-06 08:05:23 AM

Yoyo:

Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?

It makes me a better man (than I would be otherwise) because I get a weekly reminder to be more charitable, less selfish, nicer to people around me, and a living example of my expectations of others. I often forget those things, because when I'm surrounded by idiots (which is quite often), I stoop to their level when I should take the high road and not resort to pettiness and laziness in retaliation.


What if i don't need weekly guilt trips to remind me to be a good person and to help my fellow man? If you need church for that, you're a lost cause already.
 
2011-10-06 08:05:43 AM

adamgreeney: After a while, even the best pussy gets boring. And then you're trapped. Terrible idea if your motivated by pussy.


I think it was Artie Lange who said, "You could be banging Supermodel Asian Triplets and even that would get dull after six months."

At a certain point it become pretty pathetic to be so mindlessly motivated by chasing pussy, though. Sure, its expected in your teens, accepted in your 20's and understandable in your 30's. But if you're a solidly middle-aged man (late thirties or older) who can't balance life's other rewards with mindless rutting, there's something kind of sad and undeveloped about you.
 
2011-10-06 08:05:55 AM
You guys have it all wrong. yes games are fun, yea women can ask too much. but a wife can also fill that vacant piece of your life that only she can fill. you cant just take everything they say as fact and never expect them to say what they really mean. it's not too hard to play her game if you think of her as standing there with an icon over her head wanting to give you a quest.
 
2011-10-06 08:06:24 AM

ShawnDoc: "The End of Men," Hanna Rosin unearthed the unprecedented role reversal that is taking place today. "Man has been the dominant sex since, well, the dawn of mankind. But for the first time in human history, that is changing-and with shocking speed," writes Rosin. The changes in modern labor -- from backs to brains -- have catapulted women to the top of the work force, leaving men in their dust.

So there's no more glass ceiling? Women now make more then men do? CEO's of large corporations are now dominated by women? No? Then shut the fark up.


Well said. Another one from the playbook - invent a problem that isn't a: a problem or b: even real ... and the only answer to this problem is Jesus.
 
2011-10-06 08:07:21 AM
The declining men sound better than the Bill Bennet type of man.
 
2011-10-06 08:07:42 AM

headhurt: Fluorescent Testicle: What about videogame-playing, unmarried, non-religious women?

Where do they fit into his little narrative?

Yeah, I'd like to know. 36 year old, college degree holder, never been married, no kids, bowed out of church antics almost 10 years ago. All I want is someone to raid with. Strong stomach a must...I'm a nurse and I talk about work. Is that too much to ask??

/For the Horde!


clytamnestra: If you don't believe the numbers, just ask young women about men today. You will find them talking about prolonged adolescence and men who refuse to grow up. I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?" There is a maturity deficit among men out there, and men are falling behind.

uhm, don't ask me. i'm 30, female and totally immature.


How yous doing?

/difficulty: must have an appreciation for fine arts
 
2011-10-06 08:16:01 AM
Men are in decline because they play too many video games, don't get married, and aren't religious enough

"In decline" sure is an odd way to misspell "awesome"
 
2011-10-06 08:17:02 AM

Yoyo: Ok, for all intents and purposes, I am "The Man." (That's right, I'm the one oppressing everybody.) I'm well educated, gainfully employed, own a house and 3 cars, white, heterosexual, voted almost a straight Republican ticket last time at the poles, and attend chruch weekly (even if I am one of those godless Catholics). I'm single, never married, no children. My household income is double the median (~$50k/yr), and my individual income is triple the male median (~$30k/yr). Now, my question is this, where are the worthwhile women? It's a two way street. In my age range and geographic area the vast majority of single women are uneducated with children or divorces. I expect a woman to bring something positive to the altar. If a woman wants me to provide for her and hers like it's 1960, then I expect her to do likewise. Maybe my standards are too high for this day and age, but it seems like women are living in dreamland too.



Geeze, I can't imagine why you're having trouble finding a "worthwhile woman."
 
2011-10-06 08:17:56 AM
I found that the women can't be trusted.
After years of failed relationships where I had taken on the appropriate amount of responsibility, the women acted like they wanted to remain teenagers and sleep around with the bad boys they always wanted. Enough of that crap. I gave up women. I have only recently found a religious home that I never expected or wanted, but it works for me.
The video games are great, and its nice to know that all my spare money is now my own.
 
2011-10-06 08:18:15 AM
Men have realized that women, children, and all that bullshiat aren't worth it, and try to enjoy life as much as they can until they die.

News at 11.
 
2011-10-06 08:19:31 AM
Good...women can go earn the money for once, guys can sit at home watching Oprah while eating bon-bons, then when a old high school flame looks him up, he can run off to his fairy tale land and take half HER money instead.
 
2011-10-06 08:20:16 AM

BreezyWheeze: alex10294: /Also applies to anti-vaccinators, anti-fluoridators, and dippy "toxin" cleansers.

I have to work very hard not to be judgmental. I'm an arrogant prick who tends to dismiss people quickly for being dumbasses. But despite my constant and vigilant efforts, there remains one immediate knee-jerk reaction that I don't think I'll ever be able to stamp out - as soon as someone says they "don't believe in vaccines" I immediately dismiss them as a vacuous idiot, and strain mightily against the sudden urge to punch them in the face.


You'd have to be a retard NOT to have that reaction when someone tells you they don't believe in a scientific tool with a very clear, simple and measurable cause and effect. It's like someone saying "I don't believe in anatomy!"
 
2011-10-06 08:20:17 AM
Men? Men are weak. The race of Men is failing. The unemployment check is all but spent, its value and usefulness forgotten. It is because of men that only porn survives.

/too early
 
2011-10-06 08:20:37 AM

jaylectricity: So what's wrong with having more women around for a little while? It's not like it's gonna be for eternity. Eventually there will be a demand for men and life will shift back the other way.

Seriously, some of you are freaking out for nothing.


Wanna know how I know you didn't read either the article or the posts that came before yours?
 
2011-10-06 08:24:14 AM
Just can't win no matter what we do. You're either acting too male or not male enough. Maybe we should have articles about how women are not really women anymore because they don't make meals from scratch anymore....Yeah that would be unfair and insulting. But hey it males being targeted so fire away. Its socially acceptable

A lot of what happens to men is beyond their control these days. The fact that more woman are the bread-winners has to do with companies stripping away the traditional male jobs, or targeting those making more money or with more seniority. Unfortunately many women do not get paid as much as they should.

As for video games. I play them. I'm guessing the writer of the article never came within 20 miles of one. A lot of video games are like interactive movies these days... Its like watching TV, except a lot more interactive. Hardly kid stuff anymore IMO. ...I'm sure back when men were "real men" they must have had some kind of hobbies? Maybe when they were in the bar, or playing poker (real cardboard poker), or shooting pool.... someone was complaining about them not being man enough too. Real men, after-all don't have free-time.... Real men should be painting that hallway, doing yard work or driving the little lady around and waiting in the parking lot while she shops.... You know acting like we were like kings everybody say says we were.

Too many women have to be bread-winners now. Welcome to the club. How does it feel to have all the power supposedly... It sucks doesn't it?

We're all in the same boat now. Its so beyond male vs women. We all got played for fools in one way or the other.
 
2011-10-06 08:24:40 AM
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2011-10-06 08:25:38 AM

Fizics: This article doesn't surprise me in the least, I had to meet my husband through an exclusive dating service that I paid quite well to weed out the losers that infest the dating scene. The more common services seemed to specialize in the type of "man" that seemed to excel in video games and being unemployed. I finally met my husband through the service, pricey but worth every dollar spent.


Wow, you sound like a complete twunt. I love how you put men into quotes like that. Like your definition of what a man should be is the end all, be all.

Funny how you had to use a dating service to find a husband. Looks not quite up to speed to find a guy on your own, sweetheart?
 
2011-10-06 08:26:51 AM
In 1950, 5% of men at the prime working age were unemployed. As of last year, 20% were not working

Stopped reading here. Too much stupid.

Two data points do not make a trend. If, instead of 1950 and 2010, he had chosen 1976 and 2007, he could have made the opposite case.

Also, "unemployed" and "not working" do not mean the same thing; the 20% figure includes men who voluntarily chose not to work. So it's an apples-to-oranges comparison that exaggerates the truth. By that same measure, as of last year 30% of women were not working. Whereas actual unemployment was 9.6%.
 
2011-10-06 08:27:44 AM

Sgt Otter: If playing video games with my girlfriend and sleeping in on Sunday morning is wrong, then I don't want to be right.


Ha! Sounds like something my boyfriend would write :)
 
2011-10-06 08:32:25 AM

Doink_Boink: Geeze, I can't imagine why you're having trouble finding a "worthwhile woman."


It goes the other way too. The "women" in this article are looking for somebody to pay for a McMansion with twin SUVs and all the clothes, handbags and salon time they can consume.

In return for what? The days when pussy could pay for that are long gone.
 
2011-10-06 08:32:49 AM

The Hammer Is My Penis: Women are less likely to get useful degrees, so it all balances out. Anything engineering? Sausage fest. Women's studies? English? Earth sciences? Something to do while hunting for a college educated husband.


When I went to college there were tons of hot chicks walking around, then i would go into my engineering class and out of 40 there was like 1 hot chick.

Now I work at MSU and see hot chicks walking around everywhere, then I go into the cyclotron building and still see them.. But then I go past the receptionist and past the health and safety types to where engineers are, then no more hot chicks ;(
 
2011-10-06 08:36:21 AM

ShawnDoc: So there's no more glass ceiling? Women now make more then men do? CEO's of large corporations are now dominated by women? No? Then shut the fark up.


Go be stupid somewhere else.

Women, when other variables are accounted for make about what men make. The pay equity myth has been busted over and over.

Women, by and large, are not interested in being CEOs. Those women who do want to be CEOs are NOT being held back by anything. 20 years ago, maybe, but not today. Today it is only an individual woman's CHOICES that prevents her from rising to whatever level she wants.

Women, in general, are less likely to burn the midnight oil, they tend to take more days off, they don't work themselves to death and sometimes take months or years out of their careers to have and raise children. These are individual choices that WOMEN need to learn to accept each other making, and accept the results.

Is being a CEO really the height of achievement and measure of equality

Equality != Sameness.

No amount of equality will change the fact that women have uterusi.
 
2011-10-06 08:38:12 AM
I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?"

When they meet one. they always dump him for the bad boy.
 
2011-10-06 08:38:58 AM

Olympus Mons: You know acting like we were like kings everybody say says we were slaves.


I know that was your point, but FTFM.
 
2011-10-06 08:39:39 AM
The women that are usually asking "Where are the decent single men?", are the ones that think Brad Pitt and George Clooney are going to swoop in out of the blue and fight to the death over the privilege of sexing them up, impregnating them, and pampering them on a bed of freshly picked rose petals each and every night until they die. Good luck with that PRINCESS.
 
2011-10-06 08:40:44 AM
Each time a woman complains that she cannot find a worthwhile man, I always want to ask them : "so, what will YOU bring to the relationship?"
 
2011-10-06 08:41:01 AM
So, where do you meet these men? I love video games, have no use for marriage, and am not religious at all, but would like companionship for the video game playing and hanging out in bars. Also sex.

Do I need to start looking in basement windows to find them?
 
2011-10-06 08:42:01 AM

GalFriday: So, where do you meet these men? I love video games, have no use for marriage, and am not religious at all, but would like companionship for the video game playing and hanging out in bars. Also sex.

Do I need to start looking in basement windows to find them?


*sound of a million profile clicks*

Seriously, toots, it isn't that hard - as I am sure you well know.
 
2011-10-06 08:42:05 AM

GalFriday: So, where do you meet these men?


fark.com
 
2011-10-06 08:43:10 AM

BreezyWheeze: adamgreeney: After a while, even the best pussy gets boring. And then you're trapped. Terrible idea if your motivated by pussy.

I think it was Artie Lange who said, "You could be banging Supermodel Asian Triplets and even that would get dull after six months."

At a certain point it become pretty pathetic to be so mindlessly motivated by chasing pussy, though. Sure, its expected in your teens, accepted in your 20's and understandable in your 30's. But if you're a solidly middle-aged man (late thirties or older) who can't balance life's other rewards with mindless rutting, there's something kind of sad and undeveloped about you.


Cool, so it's totally acceptable to chase steady pussy at my age. I'll be progressing to "understandable" in a couple of years. And a decade after that, I might as well just kill myself, although I guess MNF might be an acceptable alternative as long Hank Jr. is dead by then.
 
2011-10-06 08:43:17 AM

kingflower: The women that are usually asking "Where are the decent single men?", are the ones that think Brad Pitt and George Clooney are going to swoop in out of the blue and fight to the death over the privilege of sexing them up, impregnating them, and pampering them on a bed of freshly picked rose petals each and every night until they die. Good luck with that PRINCESS.


Also sounds like the type of girl who would make a big deal, in a negative way, about going on a blind date with a Magic The Gathering champion.
 
2011-10-06 08:44:51 AM
What a stupid farking article.

Men of a certain age have seen the hollow promise of religion, the failed marriages of their parents, and that when it comes down to it they will be laid off from their job.

Why bother with any of that?
 
2011-10-06 08:46:25 AM

mitEj: where do I sign up for a sugar mama ?

As someone who has been working since he was 13 I am fine with a woman making $ to.


Heh. Same here. Got my first summer job when I was 14 (had been babysitting for a year or two before that) and have had a job, whether I was in school or not, ever since. Longest unemployed stint was about 4 months a decade ago.

Having said that, if I'm going to have kids, I'd rather stay home and raise them. I'm old-fashioned enough to believe that children need a parent at home for the first dozen years or so. But I'm not so old-fashioned to think that it has to be the mother. In my case, I'm definitely the more attentive, patient and thoughtful person in the household. My girlfriend, although I love her to bits, would be a much worse Mommy than I would. So if we're having kids, I'm gonna pull a Mr. Mom.
 
2011-10-06 08:46:36 AM

Yoyo:
Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?

It makes me a better man (than I would be otherwise) because I get a weekly reminder to be more charitable, less selfish, nicer to people around me, and a living example of my expectations of others. I often forget those things, because when I'm surrounded by idiots (which is quite often), I stoop to their level when I should take the high road and not resort to pettiness and laziness in retaliation.


You need a weekly reminder to not be an a-hole? May god have mercy on your soul. Maybe you need to go every day.
 
2011-10-06 08:47:55 AM

Olympus Mons: Just can't win no matter what we do. You're either acting too male or not male enough. Maybe we should have articles about how women are not really women anymore because they don't make meals from scratch anymore....Yeah that would be unfair and insulting. But hey it males being targeted so fire away. Its socially acceptable

A lot of what happens to men is beyond their control these days. The fact that more woman are the bread-winners has to do with companies stripping away the traditional male jobs, or targeting those making more money or with more seniority. Unfortunately many women do not get paid as much as they should.

As for video games. I play them. I'm guessing the writer of the article never came within 20 miles of one. A lot of video games are like interactive movies these days... Its like watching TV, except a lot more interactive. Hardly kid stuff anymore IMO. ...I'm sure back when men were "real men" they must have had some kind of hobbies? Maybe when they were in the bar, or playing poker (real cardboard poker), or shooting pool.... someone was complaining about them not being man enough too. Real men, after-all don't have free-time.... Real men should be painting that hallway, doing yard work or driving the little lady around and waiting in the parking lot while she shops.... You know acting like we were like kings everybody say says we were.

Too many women have to be bread-winners now. Welcome to the club. How does it feel to have all the power supposedly... It sucks doesn't it?

We're all in the same boat now. Its so beyond male vs women. We all got played for fools in one way or the other.


who says? "the media"? who gives a feck.

wanna date sara palin types? work out get a pick up and be "manly"
wanna date goth girls? lose a ton of weight, pierce your nipples, get a tattoo or three and go for the androgynous "non manly" look.

both getcha the tang yer after, just depends what you gravitate towards and what gravitates towards you. both of things are about getting women to want to take off their clothes for you.

my dad is all obsessed with what it means to be "A Real Man". he grew up in the late 50s and to him, from what i can tell, the character "biff" from back to the future seems to sum it up nicely. well, yknow, if thats what you wanna be i guess...

for me, id say its pretty much however you define it to be, and what makes you happy with your appearance, body, and lifestyle.
 
2011-10-06 08:48:21 AM

AngryJailhouseFistfark:

PUSSY! On a consistent basis.

Not for this married guy! :(

You married the wrong woman. It's no goddamn good, because the one's who fark to marry look pretty much the same as the ones who fark because they like to fark. It's only after the ring's on, kids spawned, house bought, etc. that you really find out which one you chose.

The first time I chose poorly. The second, much, much better.


Thanks for the advice. I definitely see that now.
I'm getting out of my first after 35 years and raising six great kids to adulthood.

I don't think there will ever be a second. Cheers!
 
2011-10-06 08:48:36 AM
This guy's got all that covered.
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2011-10-06 08:48:47 AM
SnarfAngel: //"Make me a sandwich" is sexist, but "Support me while I have babies" is not?

"Please make me a sammich" is not sexist if the woman (or the man) is staying home. "Support me while I have babies" is not sexist, because having babies is a job in and of itself. If you want to raise decent human beings - and you might as well raise decent ones if you're going to raise them at all - then someone, either the man or the woman, should make that their focus.

Of course, that is the ideal, where one person can support the other while s/he raises the children. But today's world is far from ideal. That's part of the problem, I think. Men today look around, as I've seen communicated here, and don't think getting into gear is worth it, because of the severe challenges involved, with apparently no guarantee of good outcomes.

/That's where religion comes in.
//God is watching us act, listening to us think and speak - from a distance and up close and personal, every single minute of the day - and you'll get what you give.
\\\To put it bluntly, if you give half-assed, you'll get half-assed, and that applies to every area of your life.
 
2011-10-06 08:49:42 AM

EleventyOne: You guys have it all wrong. yes games are fun, yea women can ask too much. but a wife can also fill that vacant piece of your life that only she can fill. you cant just take everything they say as fact and never expect them to say what they really mean. it's not too hard to play her game if you think of her as standing there with an icon over her head wanting to give you a quest.


Fark Favorites... how do they work?

\ welcome
\\ Entertain Me.
 
2011-10-06 08:50:00 AM

Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?


It doesn't, but chicks seem to like it. Church is a GREAT place to get women, especially if you have little in the way of a conscience.
 
2011-10-06 08:50:14 AM

Fizics: This article doesn't surprise me in the least, I had to meet my husband through an exclusive dating service that I paid quite well to weed out the losers that infest the dating scene. The more common services seemed to specialize in the type of "man" that seemed to excel in video games and being unemployed. I finally met my husband through the service, pricey but worth every dollar spent.


Who wants to give her the "only common denominator" tip? I'd do it but I have stuff to do.
 
2011-10-06 08:50:29 AM
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2011-10-06 08:50:34 AM

manimal2878: What a stupid farking article.

Men of a certain age have seen the hollow promise of religion, the failed marriages of their parents, and that when it comes down to it they will be laid off from their job.

Why bother with any of that?


What still pisses me off is few of those men will interrupt friends and relatives who are trying to dissuade a younger man (18-28 or so) who has come to the same conclusion.

It wouldn't take much, just a few quick comments when no one is listening, if they aren't in to the whole conflict thing.

/Got very sick of hearing people trying to convince me I'd change my mind
//I didn't, farkers.
 
2011-10-06 08:51:55 AM

enforcerpsu: Fizics: This article doesn't surprise me in the least, I had to meet my husband through an exclusive dating service that I paid quite well to weed out the losers that infest the dating scene. The more common services seemed to specialize in the type of "man" that seemed to excel in video games and being unemployed. I finally met my husband through the service, pricey but worth every dollar spent.

Who wants to give her the "only common denominator" tip? I'd do it but I have stuff to do.


gotta be at the gym in 26 minutes?
 
2011-10-06 08:53:31 AM

omgwtfetc: At a certain point it become pretty pathetic to be so mindlessly motivated by chasing pussy, though. . . there's something kind of sad and undeveloped about you.

Cool, so it's totally acceptable to chase steady pussy at my age. I'll be progressing to "understandable" in a couple of years. And a decade after that, I might as well just kill myself, although I guess MNF might be an acceptable alternative as long Hank Jr. is dead by then.


There's a difference between wanting to get laid (or even chasing it) and being "mindlessly motivated" by it. I'm in my mid 30's. I want to f*ck every hot 20-something that walks by. I don't plan on that changing. But there's a difference between that being one of life's pursuits and those guys who seem to lose all rationality and judgment as soon as pussy comes into the picture (e.g. Andrew Weiner, Mark Foley, etc).

I'd also suggest that there's no need to kill yourself simply because I find you sad and undeveloped. By that metric, the entire roster for the Cubs should have killed themselves many times over.
 
2011-10-06 08:54:25 AM
Good post from comments section:

Wait, so im not a real man because im not married and i play video games? Im sorry but this is offensive to me. Saying men arnt real men if they dont do certain traditional things is like saying women arnt real women if they arnt in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant.

OH. SNAP.

and yeah that 1950s vs 2010s statistic is such bs. The war literally killed off so many men that if you were even half way able bodied in 1950 you had a job in a jump-started, thriving industrial economy. But I'm sure that's just like today, somehow... Which is why 18-34 year-olds play more video games, they can't find work so what else are they gonna do?
 
2011-10-06 08:54:45 AM
whatever on the religion and the marriage thing but in my experience more traditional hobbies like wood working or metal working or doing some work on your house is more fulfilling than playing video games.
 
2011-10-06 08:55:16 AM
I'll just leave this here for all guys here with the Peter Pan syndrome:

The world is filled with boys who can shave. (new window)
 
2011-10-06 08:55:29 AM

Father_Jack: enforcerpsu: Fizics: This article doesn't surprise me in the least, I had to meet my husband through an exclusive dating service that I paid quite well to weed out the losers that infest the dating scene. The more common services seemed to specialize in the type of "man" that seemed to excel in video games and being unemployed. I finally met my husband through the service, pricey but worth every dollar spent.

Who wants to give her the "only common denominator" tip? I'd do it but I have stuff to do.

gotta be at the gym in 26 minutes?


I meet the description of the "failed" man in the article and haven't been single for much longer than a couple months since age 18 or so.

In general, any woman complaining about an inability to find suitable men is either:

a: crazy
b: has standards too high
c: some combination of the above


Sympathy? farking none. You hold all the cards in the of sex, so if you can't manage to win with that hand, tough shiat.

/I'll continue to bluff my way to victory with a pair of 3's.
 
2011-10-06 08:55:59 AM
I'm a good(ish...?) Christian guy, don't really play video games all the much, would like to settle down, have a decent education, solid work ethic and a stable job.

I'd like to settle down and get married some day, but the gf is dead set against it for some reason. Probably a case of "why buy the pig when you get the sausage for free." *shrug* I'll most likely be getting the boot soon enough. :)

(Hey, I said goodISH...)
 
2011-10-06 08:56:52 AM

Headso: whatever on the religion and the marriage thing but in my experience more traditional hobbies like wood working or metal working or doing some work on your house is more fulfilling than playing video games.


Presumably you are enlightened enough to realize that tastes differ, though.
 
2011-10-06 08:59:55 AM

ph0rk: Men of a certain age have seen the hollow promise of religion, the failed marriages of their parents, and that when it comes down to it they will be laid off from their job.

What still pisses me off is few of those men will interrupt friends and relatives who are trying to dissuade a younger man (18-28 or so) who has come to the same conclusion.

It wouldn't take much, just a few quick comments when no one is listening, if they aren't in to the whole conflict thing.


It's also entirely possible that a person was brought up in a stable, happy family where they saw the successful marriages of those around them, and would like to emulate them. Saw one or both of their parents working and understood that to support oneself means working. So they went out and got a job. Saw that their faith community brought people together and encouraged them to be better, and wanted to participate in that.
 
2011-10-06 09:00:42 AM
In other words they want to have fun and don't want to be bothered?

Sounds good.
 
2011-10-06 09:00:43 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".

Women wanted equality, so let 'em have it. They can eat their slice of the shiat sandwich men have had all to themselves for years, and they can like it.


late to the thread, but...

/thread
 
2011-10-06 09:03:19 AM

GalFriday: So, where do you meet these men? I love video games, have no use for marriage, and am not religious at all, but would like companionship for the video game playing and hanging out in bars. Also sex.

Do I need to start looking in basement windows to find them?


As suggested above, doubt you'd have many real problems getting men if you're into anything remotely nerdy. Depends what sort of videogame playing guy you're after. If you're after the socially astute male who just happens to play games, then you have the exact same problem as every other woman, which means the age old haunts and meat markets of doom. I would suggest looking online, but gamers en masse can be resistant to women in their group.

In all seriousness though, most guys in their 20s are gamers to some extent. And yes, some of them even live above ground. (Though they have decorated their rooms to look like basements)
 
2011-10-06 09:04:00 AM
I'm married, I work 40 hours a week (at the paying job) and probably double that around the house and yard keeping our house going. My wife makes 3x what I do, and because she's basically developed a superiority complex, hasn't felt the need to get down and dirty (IYKWIM) for damn near a decade.

I say go back to the 50s, when all women valued their men and didn't treat them like man slaves.
 
2011-10-06 09:04:09 AM

BreezyWheeze: ph0rk: Men of a certain age have seen the hollow promise of religion, the failed marriages of their parents, and that when it comes down to it they will be laid off from their job.

What still pisses me off is few of those men will interrupt friends and relatives who are trying to dissuade a younger man (18-28 or so) who has come to the same conclusion.

It wouldn't take much, just a few quick comments when no one is listening, if they aren't in to the whole conflict thing.

It's also entirely possible that a person was brought up in a stable, happy family where they saw the successful marriages of those around them, and would like to emulate them. Saw one or both of their parents working and understood that to support oneself means working. So they went out and got a job. Saw that their faith community brought people together and encouraged them to be better, and wanted to participate in that.


Okay, but that doesn't really address my point.
 
2011-10-06 09:04:13 AM

BreezyWheeze: ph0rk: Men of a certain age have seen the hollow promise of religion, the failed marriages of their parents, and that when it comes down to it they will be laid off from their job.

What still pisses me off is few of those men will interrupt friends and relatives who are trying to dissuade a younger man (18-28 or so) who has come to the same conclusion.

It wouldn't take much, just a few quick comments when no one is listening, if they aren't in to the whole conflict thing.

It's also entirely possible that a person was brought up in a stable, happy family where they saw the successful marriages of those around them, and would like to emulate them. Saw one or both of their parents working and understood that to support oneself means working. So they went out and got a job. Saw that their faith community brought people together and encouraged them to be better, and wanted to participate in that.


i was raised with two parents and three other siblings. my parents were together until mom died back in 2000. they were very religious.

i got married and it didn't work out and completely eschewed religion. no idea where i'm going with this...
 
2011-10-06 09:04:32 AM

alex10294: One of the funniest things I learned in my Psychiatry rotation is that "religion (etc)" has to be specifically excluded from the definition of delusional disorder. You know...cuz it's not OK to call religious people delusional in the DSM.

"according to the Diagnostic Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR).[1] It defines delusions as false beliefs based on incorrect inference about external reality that persist despite the evidence to the contrary and these beliefs are not ordinarily accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture."


If it gets you down from your high horse, homosexuality and transgendering had to be explicitly excluded, too.
 
2011-10-06 09:05:41 AM

ph0rk: /I'll continue to bluff my way to victory with a pair of 3's.


Holy sh^t this might be my favorite line ever. It perfectly sums up my entire life - work, school, sex, family, everything.

"Bluffing my way to victory when I'm holding nothing better than a pair of 6's" is absolutely perfect.

Thank you :)
 
2011-10-06 09:05:55 AM

BreezyWheeze:
Greymalkin: "A real human knows how to and could build the the house they live in and can make an intelligent educated attempt to fix any appliance inside it." If your Weeners to a broken washing machine is to call for help or buy a new one, you have failed the species.

That calls to mind the Heinlien quote about how how humans should be able to do a million different things.

Nice in theory, but I've gotta disagree in practice. I'm a huge fan of the fundamental tenet of civilization -- specialization of labor. I don't expect my doctor to be able to build his own house. I don't expect my contractor to be able to figure out what to prescribe for a rash.

I'm (mostly) a science teacher. I don't expect my barista to know how to explain the Fluid Mosaic Model of the cell membrane or Le Chatalier Equilibrium problems, and I would think my barista wouldn't expect me to know how to make the perfect latte.

I would suggest a different test for "failing the species" that doesn't hinge on mechanical engineering: "A real human continues learning throughout their whole life. If you hold any important opinions that you have not challenged, deepened, or explored critically within the past few years then you have failed the species."


This is the problem with short slogans they always need expansion :-)

I don't expect people to be experts in everything, but having basic knowledge in a broad variety of things is more important than specialisation. Taking the washing machine example, it is perfectly ok for someone to not be able to fix it themselves, but to have no idea what is even wrong or be able to give it a check over (power on, water flowing, no bolts fallen out, nothing jammed in it etc) before calling for help or replacement is terrible no matter what your field of expertise is.

For your example with the barista, he doesnt need to know about cell structure beyond why we dont fill up with water like a sponge when in the rain, and you can probably make yourself a basic coffee.

To my house example, I without a doubt know a professional builder could do a better job than me, and indeed paid a professional to build the house im in, but given enough time and the right tools I could do it myself. As a science teacher, I would say it is better than likely you could too, you probably just never thought about it because you didn't (and yes probably never will) need to.

Why I think this broad knowledge is more important than specialisation is because at several points in my life i have been stuck in situations where there was no-one else to rely on but myself and I was required to deal with situations outside my field of expertise. If you haven't well that is your good luck and I don't begrudge you that luck but I have learnt I cannot rely on it.

I would also disagree that civilisation is about specialisation; every day you use more tools, skills, knowledges etc than any caveman or animal ever did/does.
 
2011-10-06 09:07:34 AM

pxlboy: BreezyWheeze: ph0rk: Men of a certain age have seen the hollow promise of religion, the failed marriages of their parents, and that when it comes down to it they will be laid off from their job.

What still pisses me off is few of those men will interrupt friends and relatives who are trying to dissuade a younger man (18-28 or so) who has come to the same conclusion.

It wouldn't take much, just a few quick comments when no one is listening, if they aren't in to the whole conflict thing.

It's also entirely possible that a person was brought up in a stable, happy family where they saw the successful marriages of those around them, and would like to emulate them. Saw one or both of their parents working and understood that to support oneself means working. So they went out and got a job. Saw that their faith community brought people together and encouraged them to be better, and wanted to participate in that.

i was raised with two parents and three other siblings. my parents were together until mom died back in 2000. they were very religious.

i got married and it didn't work out and completely eschewed religion. no idea where i'm going with this...


Presumably you weren't at the point of questioning marriage, religion, and so on in your early 20's. There are plenty of men that are, and their relatives all give them shiat for it, sometimes enough to coax them into some dipshiat marriage or congregation that just makes them angry and bitter by 40.

It would be nice if someone who's already walked that road (or the one sans-god and wife) could tell them that it's okay to ignore all their screeching relatives and do what they actually want with their lives.

/Blah blah get a job too of course
//But don't work too much.
 
2011-10-06 09:09:06 AM

ph0rk: Headso: whatever on the religion and the marriage thing but in my experience more traditional hobbies like wood working or metal working or doing some work on your house is more fulfilling than playing video games.

Presumably you are enlightened enough to realize that tastes differ, though.


I'm always surprised when people think one hobby or another is somehow inherently superior. For example, I loathe football but I understand that some people really like it. I've always found that hobbies are best when engaged with variation -- some mindless vegging out in front of the tube, some video games, some reading, some sports, some craft-type-stuff, etc. Work itself demands a dull sameness; why recreate that with your spare time.
 
2011-10-06 09:09:45 AM

BreezyWheeze: omgwtfetc: At a certain point it become pretty pathetic to be so mindlessly motivated by chasing pussy, though. . . there's something kind of sad and undeveloped about you.

Cool, so it's totally acceptable to chase steady pussy at my age. I'll be progressing to "understandable" in a couple of years. And a decade after that, I might as well just kill myself, although I guess MNF might be an acceptable alternative as long Hank Jr. is dead by then.

There's a difference between wanting to get laid (or even chasing it) and being "mindlessly motivated" by it. I'm in my mid 30's. I want to f*ck every hot 20-something that walks by. I don't plan on that changing. But there's a difference between that being one of life's pursuits and those guys who seem to lose all rationality and judgment as soon as pussy comes into the picture (e.g. Andrew Weiner, Mark Foley, etc).

I'd also suggest that there's no need to kill yourself simply because I find you sad and undeveloped. By that metric, the entire roster for the Cubs should have killed themselves many times over.


What? You find me sad and undeveloped? I have a strong urge to kill myself, but I think I'll just head out to a bar tomorrow and find a slightly fat (though nevertheless attractive) chick in her 20's and work out all the unresolved issues brought on by your post.
 
2011-10-06 09:09:53 AM

ihatedumbpeople: I say go back to the 50s, when all women valued their men and didn't treat them like man slaves.


bookbuilder.cast.org

/oblig
 
2011-10-06 09:10:06 AM
Pfffffft. Women are in decline because they watch too much Oprah, the View, and Dancing With the Stars. Make me a sandwich.
 
2011-10-06 09:10:15 AM

ihatedumbpeople: I'm married, I work 40 hours a week (at the paying job) and probably double that around the house and yard keeping our house going. My wife makes 3x what I do, and because she's basically developed a superiority complex, hasn't felt the need to get down and dirty (IYKWIM) for damn near a decade.

I say go back to the 50s, when all women valued their men and didn't treat them like man slaves.


you sound like you need to grow a pair.

either that or you like living like Leopold von Sacher-Masoch.
 
2011-10-06 09:10:46 AM

BreezyWheeze: Yeah I've made it clear to my girlfriend that if we have kids and she fails to produce a manchild for me, then I will still raise my daughter to be able to change a tire, calculate a slugging percentage, write in at least one programming language, and make fart-noises with her armpit.


Anyone who is incapable of simple multiplication should be put down.
 
2011-10-06 09:10:46 AM

Greymalkin: I would also disagree that civilisation is about specialisation; every day you use more tools, skills, knowledges etc than any caveman or animal ever did/does.


We have both - Heinlein said specialization is for insects, and where humans specialize to that degree I'd concur. Marx said we should all be free to tend cattle in the morning, paint and write poetry in the afternoon, and theorize about the nation state in the evening. This is also true.

The realities of the job market require some degree of specialization. Spending less time at work will help, and having pretty diverse hobbies out of work will help more - working 70 hours a week is suicide by inches.
 
2011-10-06 09:12:00 AM

pxlboy: It's also entirely possible that a person was brought up in a stable, happy family where they saw the successful marriages of those around them, and would like to emulate them. Saw one or both of their parents working and understood that to support oneself means working. So they went out and got a job. Saw that their faith community brought people together and encouraged them to be better, and wanted to participate in that.

i was raised with two parents and three other siblings. my parents were together until mom died back in 2000. they were very religious.

i got married and it didn't work out and completely eschewed religion. no idea where i'm going with this...


I was just trying to be a bit contrary. There's a lot of negativity being shouted in the thread. I'm fervently (although quietly) atheist, but it seems to me that you choose to make yourself sound kind of dumb as soon as you type the phrase "sky wizard". That puts the same kind of superficial judgmental nonsense on display that non-believers so often accuse religious people of.

Same with all the hating on traditional marriage and dad-works-mom-stays-at-home. Some people eat that sh^t up. Let 'em. Bennett's an asshat for his myopic 50's worldview, but lots of the commenters in this thread seem just as aggressively one-sided.
 
2011-10-06 09:13:21 AM
I'm posting in this thread as a bookmark. Nothing to see really.

Married, kids, career, college degree. No advice for the dating scene.

Also, someone please tell me why ph0rk is bragging about having 3" to impress the ladies with?
 
2011-10-06 09:14:04 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Sgt Otter: If playing video games with my girlfriend and sleeping in on Sunday morning is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

It seems to be a pet project of the religious and republicans... control, control, control.

Control a person by shackling them in a marriage, control a person by making them feel guilty for things by using religion, control control control.

It really pisses them off that the current generation isn't taking to being shackled and controlled in the traditional ways.


My wife's fine with my video game addiction (hell, she bought me GT5 and a wheel this past Winter Solstice Holiday Season, FFS), as long as it doesn't interfere with quality time (she's not the needy type that demands attention all the time) and that she can jump in at any time (and whip my ass in Tekken 6).

She draws the line at MMORPGs, though.
 
2011-10-06 09:14:36 AM
This man was once in charge of the Department of Education.

That is terrifying.
 
2011-10-06 09:16:19 AM

battery1979: Frank Bohica: omgwtfetc: gmoney101: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".


This! Marriage is nothing more than a contract that says your girlfriend gets half your shiat when you break up! There is nothing in marriage that is good for a man, so why the fark do it? As for god and all that shiat.. where do I start?

PUSSY! On a consistent basis.

Not for this married guy! :(

once or twice a year hardly constitutes consistent.


this. my gf knows i'm not wanting to get married again. after my ex wife and i split, i got snipped. unmarried with a great sex life and sleeping in on sundays. she doesn't give me crap about spending time with my friends or my own pursuits.
 
2011-10-06 09:17:05 AM

tdyak: I'm posting in this thread as a bookmark. Nothing to see really.

Married, kids, career, college degree. No advice for the dating scene.

Also, someone please tell me why ph0rk is bragging about having 3" to impress the ladies with?


maybe he's asian?
 
2011-10-06 09:17:09 AM
In related news: women are shallow and may attempt to use video games and/or religion as an excuse to be shallow.
 
2011-10-06 09:17:17 AM

tdyak: I'm posting in this thread as a bookmark. Nothing to see really.

Married, kids, career, college degree. No advice for the dating scene.

Also, someone please tell me why ph0rk is bragging about having 3" to impress the ladies with?


Pair of 3's.

/four inches of guile vs ten feet of claymore and all that.
 
2011-10-06 09:17:30 AM

manimal2878: Men of a certain age have seen the hollow promise of religion, the failed marriages of their parents, and that when it comes down to it they will be laid off from their job.

Why bother with any of that?


What failed marriage of my parents? My parents and their parents as well were married until the days my father and grandfathers died. In fact, I have a pretty good suspicion that my parents still had an active romantic relation up to the week my dad died. Additionally, none of them were ever laid off. (Of course, my parents weren't boomers, and their parents weren't the "greatest" generation.)
 
2011-10-06 09:18:14 AM
Married -Check
Has a full time job - check
Religious - More then most people in here (which isn't saying much)
Plays Video Games - Check

Wife - Has a degree, no job (she would have one if we needed the extra money however, its her choice). Has dinner ready for me when I get home, would do the laundry (machine is in the basement, so no heavy lifting down stairs) and other household chores if she wasn't in her third trimester for our second child (she tries to do chores anyway, but I stop her). She takes care of our first born (almost 2) and paperwork (pays bills). She kills her own spiders and only has problems with snakes (which is understandable around here)

Of course, I married somebody who grew up as a tom boy in a rural setting where family is more important then a career.

She doesn't care if I play video games either (reasonably, if I have a "honey do" list those come first of course, usually involves things like mowing the yard or cutting up firewood), watches football with me, and enjoys getting dirty and working with her hands, and is one of the few women I know that can drive a car

/happy
//can be both a man-child and a responsible adult
 
2011-10-06 09:18:25 AM

Father_Jack: maybe he's asian?


Nah, I'm no good at math.
 
2011-10-06 09:18:43 AM

This text is now purple: BreezyWheeze: Yeah I've made it clear to my girlfriend that if we have kids and she fails to produce a manchild for me, then I will still raise my daughter to be able to change a tire, calculate a slugging percentage, write in at least one programming language, and make fart-noises with her armpit.

Anyone who is incapable of simple multiplication should be put down.


Christ by that measure we'd have to euthanize something like one in every twenty high school kids in the south Bronx.
 
2011-10-06 09:20:53 AM

ph0rk: pxlboy: BreezyWheeze: ph0rk: Men of a certain age have seen the hollow promise of religion, the failed marriages of their parents, and that when it comes down to it they will be laid off from their job.

What still pisses me off is few of those men will interrupt friends and relatives who are trying to dissuade a younger man (18-28 or so) who has come to the same conclusion.

It wouldn't take much, just a few quick comments when no one is listening, if they aren't in to the whole conflict thing.

It's also entirely possible that a person was brought up in a stable, happy family where they saw the successful marriages of those around them, and would like to emulate them. Saw one or both of their parents working and understood that to support oneself means working. So they went out and got a job. Saw that their faith community brought people together and encouraged them to be better, and wanted to participate in that.

i was raised with two parents and three other siblings. my parents were together until mom died back in 2000. they were very religious.

i got married and it didn't work out and completely eschewed religion. no idea where i'm going with this...

Presumably you weren't at the point of questioning marriage, religion, and so on in your early 20's. There are plenty of men that are, and their relatives all give them shiat for it, sometimes enough to coax them into some dipshiat marriage or congregation that just makes them angry and bitter by 40.

It would be nice if someone who's already walked that road (or the one sans-god and wife) could tell them that it's okay to ignore all their screeching relatives and do what they actually want with their lives.

/Blah blah get a job too of course
//But don't work too much.


i got married at 29 to a woman i'm still friends with. it just didn't work for us.

i'm telling you, man, ignore 'em. i was raised mormon and some of the kids i knew at church were getting married after coming back from their missions -- 21, 22, 23. he was asking me why i wasn't looking for that at 22. my ex and i never had kids, but got the kids questions CONSTANTLY.

enjoy your time. you might find the right woman or you might not. but don't let others stress or guilt-trip you over it.
 
2011-10-06 09:21:35 AM

Zik-Zak: She draws the line at MMORPGs, though.


This was huge for me. I probably still play nearly the same raw number of hours of video games that I used to, but having switched to single-player games that I can pause makes all the difference in the world. For some reason, when I can pause a game and deal with whatever the little lady is asking about, she rarely bothers me. The one night a week when I have my DnD game with buddies and don't want to be interrupted, she ALWAYS comes into my office, pulls me away from the desk and sits in my lap at least twice in those three hours. Never any other day of the week, though.
 
2011-10-06 09:22:40 AM

ph0rk: tdyak: I'm posting in this thread as a bookmark. Nothing to see really.

Married, kids, career, college degree. No advice for the dating scene.

Also, someone please tell me why ph0rk is bragging about having 3" to impress the ladies with?

Pair of 3's.

/four inches of guile vs ten feet of claymore and all that.


So you have...two?

/Seriously though, I like the quote.
 
2011-10-06 09:23:15 AM

Burr: Married -Check
Has a full time job - check
Religious - More then most people in here (which isn't saying much)
Plays Video Games - Check

Wife - Has a degree, no job (she would have one if we needed the extra money however, its her choice). Has dinner ready for me when I get home, would do the laundry (machine is in the basement, so no heavy lifting down stairs) and other household chores if she wasn't in her third trimester for our second child (she tries to do chores anyway, but I stop her). She takes care of our first born (almost 2) and paperwork (pays bills). She kills her own spiders and only has problems with snakes (which is understandable around here)

Of course, I married somebody who grew up as a tom boy in a rural setting where family is more important then a career.

She doesn't care if I play video games either (reasonably, if I have a "honey do" list those come first of course, usually involves things like mowing the yard or cutting up firewood), watches football with me, and enjoys getting dirty and working with her hands, and is one of the few women I know that can drive a car

/happy
//can be both a man-child and a responsible adult


OK, sounds pretty cool, but how exactly do regular farkers get there?
 
2011-10-06 09:23:49 AM

pxlboy: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.
This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".
Women wanted equality, so let 'em have it. They can eat their slice of the shiat sandwich men have had all to themselves for years, and they can like it.
late to the thread, but...
/thread


I'm so glad that there's a place where all the bitter old men can gather to voice their opposition to all the women. They've been oppressed for way too long. Thank goodness guys like you can rise above the subjugation to finally find a voice for the poor white man.
 
2011-10-06 09:25:34 AM
Just for clarification, does online poker count as a video game, you douche?
 
2011-10-06 09:26:14 AM

BreezyWheeze: This text is now purple: BreezyWheeze: Yeah I've made it clear to my girlfriend that if we have kids and she fails to produce a manchild for me, then I will still raise my daughter to be able to change a tire, calculate a slugging percentage, write in at least one programming language, and make fart-noises with her armpit.

Anyone who is incapable of simple multiplication should be put down.

Christ by that measure we'd have to euthanize something like one in every twenty high school kids in the south Bronx.


Is that a problem?
 
2011-10-06 09:26:20 AM
So much stupid in that article

And all in cliche form
 
2011-10-06 09:27:29 AM

Fizics: This article doesn't surprise me in the least, I had to meet my husband through an exclusive dating service that I paid quite well to weed out the losers that infest the dating scene. The more common services seemed to specialize in the type of "man" that seemed to excel in video games and being unemployed. I finally met my husband through the service, pricey but worth every dollar spent.


Haha, you had to pay for a man. Bet he's cheating on you on the side.
 
2011-10-06 09:29:17 AM

ph0rk: Father_Jack: maybe he's asian?

Nah, I'm no good at math.


That is weally offensive.
 
2011-10-06 09:30:24 AM
This has absolutely nothing to do with women initiating pretty much all divorces because "they aren't happy anymore" and taking every bit of money that men worked there entire life for. Nope, I am sure that has nothing to do with it.

Marriage is a guaranteed lose-lose situation for men.
 
2011-10-06 09:33:01 AM

cryinoutloud: pxlboy: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.
This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".
Women wanted equality, so let 'em have it. They can eat their slice of the shiat sandwich men have had all to themselves for years, and they can like it.
late to the thread, but...
/thread

I'm so glad that there's a place where all the bitter old men can gather to voice their opposition to all the women. They've been oppressed for way too long. Thank goodness guys like you can rise above the subjugation to finally find a voice for the poor white man.


keep your sarcasm. such was not my experience, but i have seen it firsthand. i also like how you specified "white men", as though only white dudes have ever been stuck in crappy marital, parental, and post-marital situations.

get farked.
 
2011-10-06 09:33:35 AM

cryinoutloud: Thank goodness guys like you can rise above the subjugation to finally find a voice for the poor white man.


hey we've had a rough week. facebook changes, no iphone 5, and steve jobs died. be nice to white guys.
 
2011-10-06 09:37:26 AM

Andrew Wiggin: cryinoutloud: Thank goodness guys like you can rise above the subjugation to finally find a voice for the poor white man.

hey we've had a rough week. facebook changes, no iphone 5, and steve jobs died. be nice to white guys.


can you see the new FB where you are yet?

theyve yet to roll it out here in europe. im kinda looking fwd to it.
 
2011-10-06 09:40:42 AM
my xbox isn't fat so it gets a lot more attention.
 
2011-10-06 09:42:24 AM
Lot's of confirmed bachelors in here. NTTAWWT
 
2011-10-06 09:45:45 AM

pxlboy: i'm telling you, man, ignore 'em. i was raised mormon and some of the kids i knew at church were getting married after coming back from their missions -- 21, 22, 23. he was asking me why i wasn't looking for that at 22. my ex and i never had kids, but got the kids questions CONSTANTLY.

enjoy your time. you might find the right woman or you might not. but don't let others stress or guilt-trip you over it.


Oh, I'm good (though I expect certain persons might start in about kids soon enough). I can just see some guys that might be either on the fence or having doubts getting pressured into a marriage and kids and realizing later they hate it, when just one respected older friend could have told them it was okay not to.

I'm thinking in the aggregate, though - lets prevent bad marriages before they start, kind of thing.
 
2011-10-06 09:47:49 AM

Domino's Fiend: GalFriday: So, where do you meet these men? I love video games, have no use for marriage, and am not religious at all, but would like companionship for the video game playing and hanging out in bars. Also sex.

Do I need to start looking in basement windows to find them?

As suggested above, doubt you'd have many real problems getting men if you're into anything remotely nerdy. Depends what sort of videogame playing guy you're after. If you're after the socially astute male who just happens to play games, then you have the exact same problem as every other woman, which means the age old haunts and meat markets of doom. I would suggest looking online, but gamers en masse can be resistant to women in their group.

In all seriousness though, most guys in their 20s are gamers to some extent. And yes, some of them even live above ground. (Though they have decorated their rooms to look like basements)


What if you want them older than 20's? I am in my 30's.
 
2011-10-06 09:48:18 AM
I've played video games all my life and they are awesome.

Church is stupid. Church is a waste of time. Video games are a waste of time, to, but at least they are fun.

Getting married is out dated.

Men don't want you anymore, ladies. I can rub one out in about a minute and then I'm back to playing XBOX.

Masturbation is fantastic.
 
2011-10-06 09:50:36 AM

ph0rk: Father_Jack: enforcerpsu: Fizics: This article doesn't surprise me in the least, I had to meet my husband through an exclusive dating service that I paid quite well to weed out the losers that infest the dating scene. The more common services seemed to specialize in the type of "man" that seemed to excel in video games and being unemployed. I finally met my husband through the service, pricey but worth every dollar spent.

Who wants to give her the "only common denominator" tip? I'd do it but I have stuff to do.

gotta be at the gym in 26 minutes?

I meet the description of the "failed" man in the article and haven't been single for much longer than a couple months since age 18 or so.

In general, any woman complaining about an inability to find suitable men is either:

a: crazy
b: has standards too high
c: some combination of the above


Sympathy? farking none. You hold all the cards in the of sex, so if you can't manage to win with that hand, tough shiat.

/I'll continue to bluff my way to victory with a pair of 3's.


That's pretty much it.

Lol. I knew my stuff to do thing was gonna get 26 minutes treatment.

This thread has been fun to read. I just hope my luck doesn't run out when I get married next year.

My fiance likes doing the "girl" stuff around the house. Were both college educated and both have jobs. I play video games and still found a great woman. The article is full of opinion-as-fact BS.

Were doing just fine and she hates some of my hobbies. But she respects them!
 
2011-10-06 09:51:23 AM

GalFriday: What if you want them older than 20's? I am in my 30's.


If you can't find gamers in their 30's there must be some hidden standard you aren't telling us about. There are shiat-tons of them about, and attention-whoring on the internet is a great way to find them.


So: either you are lying, or you're lying through omission.

Or you're clinically insane, but I guess that's going to fall under option two.


Chicks that even remotely like/tolerate geeky stuff are big fish in small ponds. They have no shortage of geeks to hit/get hit by. I don't believe you.
 
2011-10-06 09:51:30 AM
Go ahead fellas...keep telling yourself that it's perfectly OK to play video games into your 30's...

\It's not, but, whatever...
 
2011-10-06 09:53:56 AM
/because girls dont play video games

and waitamin...if guys are, en-mass, not getting married...then who are all the girls marrying?!


ALIEMS!
 
2011-10-06 09:54:09 AM
Let's see, men seem to want to be happy, lower their stress level for once in farking history and just enjoy themselves.

Oh no, it's the end of the world!

When times are tough, men shine. When times are easy, women shine. Times are as easy as they have ever been.

Men have a really good bullshiat detector (compared to women) and we know better when effort is being wasted.

What's funny is that all the fields women enter will slowly become less and less respected and interesting. Men have the energy. The world follows the energy.
 
2011-10-06 09:55:03 AM

fatimcgee: Go ahead fellas...keep telling yourself that it's perfectly OK to play video games into your 30's...

\It's not, but, whatever...


Here's where you educate us on what we should be doing with our time...
 
2011-10-06 09:56:01 AM

bobbydigital20g: /because girls dont play video games

and waitamin...if guys are, en-mass, not getting married...then who are all the girls marrying?!


ALIEMS!


The same small group of mature, rich a-holes over and over. Those guys trade 'em in every few years.
 
2011-10-06 09:56:41 AM

BreezyWheeze: But there's a difference between that being one of life's pursuits and those guys who seem to lose all rationality and judgment as soon as [sex] comes into the picture (e.g. Andrew Weiner, Mark Foley, etc)...


...i. e., sex addicts. Sex addiction probably figures into the problems discussed in this thread. If you wonder if you're a sex addict, check out the questions and link below.

To complete the test, answer each question by placing a check in the appropriate yes/no column (self-scoring test at the site).

1. Were you sexually abused as a child or adolescent?
2. Did your parents have trouble with sexual behavior?
3. Do you often find yourself preoccupied with sexual thoughts?
4. Do you feel that your sexual behavior is not normal?
5. Do you ever feel bad about your sexual behavior?
6. Has your sexual behavior ever created problems for you and your family?
7. Have you ever sought help for sexual behavior you did not like?
8. Has anyone been hurt emotionally because of your sexual behavior?
9. Are any of your sexual activities against the law?
10. Have you made efforts to quit a type of sexual activity and failed?
11. Do you hide some of your sexual behaviors from others?
12. Have you attempted to stop some parts of your sexual activity?
13. Have you felt degraded by your sexual behaviors?
14. When you have sex, do you feel depressed afterwards?
15. Do you feel controlled by your sexual desire?

There are 45 questions altogether. Here's the Link (new window)
 
2011-10-06 09:57:47 AM
FTFA: "Where are the decent single men?"

We're over here, masturbating to pictures of hotter women than you that we found on the internet.

*waves slimy hand*

Have a nice day.
 
2011-10-06 09:57:55 AM
Never discount the "women must have something to complain about" factor. When all the unemployed video-gaming guys start hammering away at the full-time-and-then-some jobs and going to the gym instead of the gaming lounge, they women will be biatching and moaning about how the men work to much and are never around and whaaaahh whaaaahhh, oh RICKEEEEEEE.

Always some goddamn thing. I tellya, if I didn't like the pussy and round female hips 'n ass so much I'd go Ghey and fully divest from the womens altogether. Nothing but trouble.
 
2011-10-06 09:58:03 AM
ITT:

weknowmemes.com
 
2011-10-06 09:58:04 AM

Doink_Boink: Yoyo: Ok, for all intents and purposes, I am "The Man." (That's right, I'm the one oppressing everybody.) I'm well educated, gainfully employed, own a house and 3 cars, white, heterosexual, voted almost a straight Republican ticket last time at the poles, and attend chruch weekly (even if I am one of those godless Catholics). I'm single, never married, no children. My household income is double the median (~$50k/yr), and my individual income is triple the male median (~$30k/yr). Now, my question is this, where are the worthwhile women? It's a two way street. In my age range and geographic area the vast majority of single women are uneducated with children or divorces. I expect a woman to bring something positive to the altar. If a woman wants me to provide for her and hers like it's 1960, then I expect her to do likewise. Maybe my standards are too high for this day and age, but it seems like women are living in dreamland too.


Geeze, I can't imagine why you're having trouble finding a "worthwhile woman."


He doesn't have time, he has to be at the gym in 26 minutes...
 
2011-10-06 09:59:28 AM

Dadoody: Meh. Enjoy it while they can. Once the oil runs out, the planet's resources are stripped, and the ice sheets return, it'll be up to us again.


Good snakr but not to far off the mark. Resources will shrink as will economies, that means increased competiton. Increased comptetion leads to vilence something men as a group are supreme at no matter what the technology
 
2011-10-06 10:00:09 AM

GalFriday: Domino's Fiend: GalFriday: So, where do you meet these men? I love video games, have no use for marriage, and am not religious at all, but would like companionship for the video game playing and hanging out in bars. Also sex.

Do I need to start looking in basement windows to find them?

As suggested above, doubt you'd have many real problems getting men if you're into anything remotely nerdy. Depends what sort of videogame playing guy you're after. If you're after the socially astute male who just happens to play games, then you have the exact same problem as every other woman, which means the age old haunts and meat markets of doom. I would suggest looking online, but gamers en masse can be resistant to women in their group.

In all seriousness though, most guys in their 20s are gamers to some extent. And yes, some of them even live above ground. (Though they have decorated their rooms to look like basements)

What if you want them older than 20's? I am in my 30's.


Hmm...that's a bit trickier, just because I imagine in my world full of broad brush strokes and easily identifiable stereotypes that the gamers at that age would either be painfully obvious (not in a good way) or almost invisible - maybe you could try and persuade the lapsed gamer that he should not have put away childish things?
 
2011-10-06 10:00:10 AM
I think this (new window) is very apropos given the subject
 
2011-10-06 10:01:08 AM

ph0rk: fatimcgee: Go ahead fellas...keep telling yourself that it's perfectly OK to play video games into your 30's...

\It's not, but, whatever...

Here's where you educate us on what we should be doing with our time...


Be mature. In other words, fake interest in stupid shiat you actually hate. Do things you don't want to do. All to impress a bunch of strangers you really don't care about.

I won't make you live longer but it will SEEM a lot longer. Also, you'll be much happier when it's over.
 
2011-10-06 10:02:41 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".

Women wanted equality, so let 'em have it. They can eat their slice of the shiat sandwich men have had all to themselves for years, and they can like it.



Done in one. I am quite happy to see women in the jobs that men have traditionally had to do. This is equality. Those jobs lead to an early death through stress, accident, or cancer. Enjoy!

On the flip side, there is no need to work myself to death for screaming leeches that hate you when they turn 13, no `significant other` who needs me to earn ever increasing amounts of money to feed their desire for better products. Lots of spare cash to just give to someone in return for sexual favours! Lots of spare time for video games!

win win!

I love equality.
 
2011-10-06 10:02:55 AM

The_Terminator: ITT:

[weknowmemes.com image 640x480]


Pretty sure the foreveralones are all furiously clicking on GalFriday's profile rather than posting, but I can only speak for myself.

It is entirely possible to have an enjoyable long-term relationship while remaining a boy-who-shaves, or whatever demeaning stupid name you wish to give the refusal to become a dronelike wage-slave who has a wife and kids because they're standard issue.

Of course, if you made those choices yourself, you have no option but to defend them with your dying breath; because to do otherwise would be to admit you made a tragic mistake.
 
2011-10-06 10:03:11 AM

Yoyo: debug: Part of the problem is that women have always been told to marry or date up, so as women get more educated and obtain better jobs, their pool of "acceptable" mates shrinks. They see no one as an acceptable match and then complain that all men are lazy and there are no good single men left. What they really mean is that there are no single men left that are good enough for me. They don't want to date or marry down, yet they still expect us to.

Ok, for all intents and purposes, I am "The Man." (That's right, I'm the one oppressing everybody.) I'm well educated, gainfully employed, own a house and 3 cars, white, heterosexual, voted almost a straight Republican ticket last time at the poles, and attend chruch weekly (even if I am one of those godless Catholics). I'm single, never married, no children. My household income is double the median (~$50k/yr), and my individual income is triple the male median (~$30k/yr). Now, my question is this, where are the worthwhile women? It's a two way street. In my age range and geographic area the vast majority of single women are uneducated with children or divorces. I expect a woman to bring something positive to the altar. If a woman wants me to provide for her and hers like it's 1960, then I expect her to do likewise. Maybe my standards are too high for this day and age, but it seems like women are living in dreamland too.


Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?

It makes me a better man (than I would be otherwise) because I get a weekly reminder to be more charitable, less selfish, nicer to people around me, and a living example of my expectations of others. I often forget those things, because when I'm surrounded by idiots (which is quite often), I stoop to their level when I should take the high road and not resort to pettiness and laziness in retaliation.


Do you have to be at the gym in 26 minutes?
 
2011-10-06 10:03:31 AM
This whole article reads like:

hikkyz.net

/ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO GET MARRIED AND PROVIDE FOR YOUR WIFE?
 
2011-10-06 10:04:42 AM

Fark You Buddy: Fizics: This article doesn't surprise me in the least, I had to meet my husband through an exclusive dating service that I paid quite well to weed out the losers that infest the dating scene. The more common services seemed to specialize in the type of "man" that seemed to excel in video games and being unemployed. I finally met my husband through the service, pricey but worth every dollar spent.

Haha, you had to pay for a man. Bet he's cheating on you on the side.


That is just mean! Why not let her lie to herself that she got a good deal? Maybe she is into the femdom thing and had a harder time finding a submissive partner.
 
2011-10-06 10:06:05 AM

rev. dave: That is just mean! Why not let her lie to herself that she got a good deal? Maybe she is into the femdom thing and had a harder time finding a submissive partner.


The only women that have trouble finding partners are 6's who think they're 9's.
 
2011-10-06 10:06:26 AM

fatimcgee: Go ahead fellas...keep telling yourself that it's perfectly OK to play video games into your 30's...

\It's not, but, whatever...


ah sure it is. people can do what they want with their spare time, go take your moral judgements and shove em. :)

i quit playing games at about 35. i am a PC purist, i cant stand console controllers and hate stupid shooters. for me its all about the mouse and keyboard. I loved myth 2, the origanl EQ, operation flashpoint, and bought most of the RTS genre over the years.

and you know what? games just got boring. when command and conquer came out in 1995-ish i was talking on the phone to my lover at the time who wanted to hang out that night...and i said i wasnt feeling well because i wanted to play this game it was so new to me, the RTS idea. man it was cool. (on a side note, i wanted to play a video game more than bang a hot 19yr old...man i would not have those priorities these days but i digress...)

and now 15 years later? the RTS genre hasnt fundamentally changed AT ALL. ooh look the units are all 3d and shoot neat lasers which make glows and the graphics look great...but f it its still the same rock paper scissors arsebiscuitry its been for years! units engaging at 50yards, the pervasive concept of "hitpoints"... LAME! cant anyone design a NEW, truly NEW ground breaking RTS? the napoleon game was pretty good...but we've seen that too since the era of Caesar II.

and shooters are just retarded these days. all the faux middle east war stuff where guys run and gun thru burnt out towns and shoot hajis at point blank range while taking 10rds from an ak then retreating to heal up.... LAME.

red orchestra is the only shooter that even vaguely scratches the realism itch.

(although as an amateur miltary historian and war nerd who has a safe full of ww2 and ww1 era weapons i admit my requirements for realism are slightly higher than the average basement dweller with a bag a cheetos at his desk)

arrgh these games today, get them off my lawn.
 
2011-10-06 10:06:59 AM

bobbydigital20g: This whole article reads like:

[hikkyz.net image 383x336]

/ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO GET MARRIED AND PROVIDE FOR YOUR WIFE?


HAHAHAHAH That picture is awesome!!!
 
2011-10-06 10:08:51 AM

lordaction:
Marriage is a guaranteed lose-lose situation for men.


Which is why I want to remove all restrictions for gay marriage and see if they can do it better. Maybe they have some special formula that fixes what society has broken.
 
2011-10-06 10:08:56 AM

squidgod2000: Men? Men are weak. The race of Men is failing. The unemployment check is all but spent, its value and usefulness forgotten. It is because of men that only porn survives.

/too early


iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg
 
2011-10-06 10:12:26 AM

fatimcgee: Go ahead fellas...keep telling yourself that it's perfectly OK to play video games into your 30's...

\It's not, but, whatever...


I did not play video games while I was dating to be respectful of my current GF. Even the geeky one who although was a bit too fat, has been the best chance I had for growing old with someone. Anyway its all over now and I like my video games.
(39 yrs old and catching up on missing video games in my late 20's though mid 30's)
 
2011-10-06 10:14:56 AM
Well, the stupid government took astronaut away from us as a viable job, also moon dune-buggying away from us. What's left to do when you realize the long-term future prospects for you do not include living in space?
 
2011-10-06 10:15:34 AM

Yoyo: Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?

It makes me a better man (than I would be otherwise) because I get a weekly reminder to be more charitable, less selfish, nicer to people around me, and a living example of my expectations of others. I often forget those things, because when I'm surrounded by idiots (which is quite often), I stoop to their level when I should take the high road and not resort to pettiness and laziness in retaliation.


You need church for that? At my house we just call that "not being a douche."
 
2011-10-06 10:15:58 AM

Father_Jack: red orchestra is the only shooter that even vaguely scratches the realism itch.


I hate realistic shooters. Give me team deathmatch, CTF, or whatever all day long. (I enjoy Bad Company 2, but I like Left 4 Dead 2 more. Arma 2 got played once.)

To each their own, of course. I can understand getting into a realistic sim, I just like fast muscle twitch games and realistic sims trend away from that.
 
2011-10-06 10:16:59 AM
I'm 30 and I friggin' love playing video games.

When I was a kid, I wanted to grow up and play video games as much as I want. And I do.

XBOX, PC, whatever. More so XBOX. But then again my XBOX is my entertainment center. Movies, Music, Video Games. It's all right there.
 
2011-10-06 10:17:01 AM
Well, except in China, where they kill a significant percent more girl babies than boy babies. Here we kill both equally.
 
2011-10-06 10:18:17 AM
So can I assume this Bennett is another rich right wing dufus trolling around to blame some one or group for the fact he and his tax dodging shiatbag mates have right royally fecked it to the West.
 
2011-10-06 10:18:21 AM
Not like there aren't any double standards in this world.

I found this ad on another site. content.yieldmanager.edgesuite.net
 
2011-10-06 10:19:44 AM
I do agree that if you are going to spawn, both parents need to raise the kid. And as for his religiosity claims....well lets just say going to church and believing aren't the same thing. That having been said, it would be nice if people who believe in the literal truth of a mystic book actually knew what was in it.
 
2011-10-06 10:20:59 AM

Father_Jack: and shooters are just retarded these days. all the faux middle east war stuff where guys run and gun thru burnt out towns and shoot hajis at point blank range while taking 10rds from an ak then retreating to heal up.... LAME.


Check out the Onion's satirical take on "Modern Warfare 3"

Besides, if you took a round from an AK-47 and had to wait 2-6 months with multiple surgeries before you could continue playing, it wouldn't be much fun at all.
 
2011-10-06 10:22:33 AM

Yoyo:
It makes me a better man (than I would be otherwise) because I get a weekly reminder to be more charitable, less selfish, nicer to people around me, and a living example of my expectations of others. I often forget those things, because when I'm surrounded by idiots (which is quite often), I stoop to their level when I should take the high road and not resort to pettiness and laziness in retaliation.


only weekly! Couldn't you just put it in your outlook calendar? I set mine to remind me daily and it's way more interactive then God.
 
2011-10-06 10:22:49 AM

ph0rk: Here's where you educate us on what we should be doing with our time...


Reading...perhaps a hobby that is, you know, productive...

hitlersbrain: Be mature. In other words, fake interest in stupid shiat you actually hate. Do things you don't want to do. All to impress a bunch of strangers you really don't care about.




I don't do any of that. No one is saying that's what you HAVE to do. I'm just saying find something productive and positive to do with your time, that's all...

rev. dave: I did not play video games while I was dating to be respectful of my current GF. Even the geeky one who although was a bit too fat, has been the best chance I had for growing old with someone. Anyway its all over now and I like my video games.
(39 yrs old and catching up on missing video games in my late 20's though mid 30's)


\csb.
 
2011-10-06 10:24:21 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".

Women wanted equality, so let 'em have it. They can eat their slice of the shiat sandwich men have had all to themselves for years, and they can like it.


Ya, it's probably good your girlfriend lives in Canada also, huh?

Sorry, but I know 3 guys who are exactly like this. They're wastes of skin and have no redeeming quality as a "regular" person. Lately, they can't even hold a conversation that doesn't have game terminology in it.
Idiocracy, here we come.
I like games....
 
2011-10-06 10:25:03 AM

trolltimusprime: I do agree that if you are going to spawn, both parents need to raise the kid. And as for his religiosity claims....well lets just say going to church and believing aren't the same thing. That having been said, it would be nice if people who believe in the literal truth of a mystic book actually knew what was in it.


Way back in my early 20's, I used to turn down 'relations' from women that claimed they wouldn't abort if birth control failed (I asked). I used protection as a rule of course, but the risk was (imho) great enough that it wasn't worth it, so I passed.

You would not believe how batshiat crazy pissed off they got about this. How dare I?

/I say "used to" because I've been in a stable relationship for quite some time and issues like that are generally already hashed out.
 
2011-10-06 10:25:20 AM
The world could stand a few less births each year. If the dude isn't eager to have kids, don't pressure him, find one who is, or adopt one of your own, or get a donor and raise one by yourself or with your other female friends who give in to the ticking of the clock and think babies fix everything.
 
2011-10-06 10:25:21 AM

AngryJailhouseFistfark:
You need church for that? At my house we just call that "not being a douche."


As a reformed atheist, I know now that my resistance to religion was because I hated the hypocrisy. IMHO everyone has a need for a deeper meaning, the rules are what gets in the way. They should have used the concept of leveling with religion where they don't impose all the stupid restrictions until long after you understand the basics of being nice to one another. A good place for hard core atheists to start is non-religious philosophy and ethics, if that satisfies your inner needs then good. Buddhism and Taoism are also a good way to start for people who don't want a religious CEO.
 
2011-10-06 10:26:35 AM
I like video games.
I hate religion.
And I've gotten laid consistantly thoughout my entire adult life, except those 2 years that I was married.

Being in decline just works for me, I guess.
 
2011-10-06 10:27:48 AM
FTFA: "This decline in founding virtues -- work, marriage, and religion"

Uh, of those three, only work is a virtue. I suspect many (most?) of the men who don't work, don't work because they can't find work.

As for marriage, that's an antiquated ritual that serves no purpose in today's world. If you find somebody you like, live together until you get tired of each other and then split up. No need to complicate things by getting stuck in a legal contract created for a time when single women couldn't support themselves.

Religion ... well, the world would be a better place without that BS "virtue."

Today, 18-to- 34-year-old men spend more time playing video games a day than 12-to- 17-year-old boys.

In what way is that worse than spending that time watching sports on TV or getting drunk?

IMO TFA can be summed up as "git offa mah lawn."
 
2011-10-06 10:28:37 AM

fatimcgee: ph0rk: Here's where you educate us on what we should be doing with our time...

Reading...perhaps a hobby that is, you know, productive...


I bet I play more hours of video games than you watch TV and I've read more books this week than you have, in addition to the professional reading I must do for my vocation. I get to sharpen my problem solving skills and hand-eye coordination, both things that are very damned productive, and I still enjoy many books, to the point where I have to limit how much I spend on them. (Yes, library, but instant ebook now is very nice)

Never mind that to put one form of intellectual entertainment on some sort of pedestal relative to others is stupid and short-sighted.

I'm sure you're merely trolling, but try and do so with an argument that isn't fatuous.
 
2011-10-06 10:30:20 AM
I was going to come in here to say how he's right, because I'm none of the things in TFH. Then I read TFA. You farkin' kidding me, Bill? So, what you're saying (in a nutshell) is that the younger generation isn't pulling its weight? This is a repeat from every generation since at least Aristotle.

You're old. Get younger!!
 
2011-10-06 10:30:47 AM
Playing video games is a symptom, not a cause. When you have a generation of young men growing up with a single mother household, no strong male role models at school (eg: no male teachers), and zero tolerance policies against school "violence" (eg: bring a butterknife to school, get a 2 week suspension), you have a world that young men don't relate to. So why the heck not? Fire up the ole PS3 and find a world that does pander to your needs.

/citation needed
 
2011-10-06 10:32:56 AM

rev. dave: AngryJailhouseFistfark:
You need church for that? At my house we just call that "not being a douche."

As a reformed atheist, I know now that my resistance to religion was because I hated the hypocrisy. IMHO everyone has a need for a deeper meaning, the rules are what gets in the way. They should have used the concept of leveling with religion where they don't impose all the stupid restrictions until long after you understand the basics of being nice to one another. A good place for hard core atheists to start is non-religious philosophy and ethics, if that satisfies your inner needs then good. Buddhism and Taoism are also a good way to start for people who don't want a religious CEO.


As a reformed Christian, I know my resistance to revealed religions comes largely from there being no there there. Not everyone has the need for deeper meaning, though. Some are perfectly satisfied with shallow materialism.
 
2011-10-06 10:33:12 AM
Reading fiction is no better than watching television.

Unless it's more productive to do something the slowest way possible, like reading.

"Hey guys I just spent two hours reading The Shining. I think Jack might get a job to work at some hotel!"
 
2011-10-06 10:33:30 AM
FTFA: "William J. Bennett,"

Stopped reading right there.
 
2011-10-06 10:35:27 AM

Yoyo: It makes me a better man (than I would be otherwise) because I get a weekly reminder to be more charitable, less selfish, nicer to people around me, and a living example of my expectations of others.


Why do you theists need those reminders? Not that those reminders seem to take very well, judging by the way so many of you behave.
 
2011-10-06 10:35:51 AM
I feel the opinions on this site will inherently be skewed. But that said, video games really are a huge damn waste of time. Take it from someone who has gone from gaming to trying to master actual real world skills and having real world achievements, the satisfaction one gets from maxing their character, or having an awesome round of COD, pales in comparison to learning an instrument, second language, or working on a car.

One skill set comes with real world benefits, the other comes with little icons that will be forgotten when the next console comes out.

/Reformed gamer.

As for marriage, the laws need to be adjusted for the new reality of women being capable of supporting themselves post divorce. Children do still require stable family relationships for the best chances of successful emotional and personal development, marriage is still a necessary institution. Our culture is aware that remaining in abusive relationships is counter-productive, so there should be no stigma. That said, it seems there are far more divorces occurring because either both or one of the partners are too stupid to understand/accept that marriage requires shared sacrifices.

/ Haven't tried marriage yet.

Religion argument is silly. Religion provides the foundation or common cultural values (important), but there are other less made up ways to accomplish the same.
 
2011-10-06 10:37:19 AM
I remember back in my dating years not too long ago, I would always ask my female friends if they had any friends that they could set me up with. I had a good career, wanted to settle down, and yeah, played video games in my free time. But as an "acceptable man" by these standards, I couldn't find any nibbles on my line in the sea. So...these women asking for "acceptable men" don't exist.

\\happily married
\\\two kids
\\\\wife approves of my video game playing.
 
2011-10-06 10:37:25 AM

Toquinha: Playing video games is a symptom, not a cause. When you have a generation of young men growing up with a single mother household, no strong male role models at school (eg: no male teachers), and zero tolerance policies against school "violence" (eg: bring a butterknife to school, get a 2 week suspension), you have a world that young men don't relate to. So why the heck not? Fire up the ole PS3 and find a world that does pander to your needs.

/citation needed


I grew up in a single parent household.

I grew up raised by my dad. My mom left us.

I saw my dad work hard. I saw my dad struggle. I saw him with ZERO time for himself as he worked a job, came home and did house work.

I grew up helping him with house work. I went to school, came home, and did housework.

I saw first hand how absolutely horrible his life was, and I am determined to spend all my time as an adult having fun, playing video games, drinking, running, doing Yoga, and other shiat.

Just because you grow up with a hard working father doesn't mean your magically going to be a hard working person.

/pass the weed
 
2011-10-06 10:39:09 AM

TheTeethoftheTiger: I feel the opinions on this site will inherently be skewed. But that said, video games really are a huge damn waste of time...the satisfaction one gets from maxing their character, or having an awesome round of COD, pales in comparison to learning an instrument, second language, or working on a car.


Correction: Spending too much time on any hobby is a waste of time - including learning an instrument. if you can't figure out how to do all those things (assuming you have an interest, something naysayers magically seem to forget) that is your problem.


/Speaking as one who has missed class while reading a book, watching tv, practicing an instrument, and playing video games, back in undergrad.
//Balance.
 
2011-10-06 10:41:10 AM

TheTeethoftheTiger: Take it from someone who has gone from gaming to trying to master actual real world skills and having real world achievements, the satisfaction one gets from maxing their character, or having an awesome round of COD, pales in comparison to learning an instrument, second language, or working on a car.


That's just your opinion.

I was in all Honor classes in high school. Graduated Cum Laude from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute.

I've made Flash animations, I've written songs, I've worked on SAP systems getting paid madd loot.

NONE of these things are as fun or as awesome as playing video games. If I didn't have to worry about money, I'd play World of WarCraft 24-7. That shiat is fun. So is Oblivion. Hell, I'd play Plants vs Zombies all day if I could.

Working sucks. That's how I feel. I try to write music, but I fail to see the point in it. I try to draw and make animations, but there is no reward. The work is the reward? That's bullshiat.

I love gaming.
 
2011-10-06 10:44:22 AM

fatimcgee: ph0rk: Here's where you educate us on what we should be doing with our time...

Reading...perhaps a hobby that is, you know, productive...

hitlersbrain: Be mature. In other words, fake interest in stupid shiat you actually hate. Do things you don't want to do. All to impress a bunch of strangers you really don't care about.

I don't do any of that. No one is saying that's what you HAVE to do. I'm just saying find something productive and positive to do with your time, that's all...


Read what? I used to read science fiction until it became infested with lame, terrible females writers and a few male writers whose one and only fantasy seems to be women in bikinis with bazookas acting like men.

Productive and positive for who? I work, make a good amount of money, donate to causes I like and play a crapload of video games.

Why do you feel the need to judge people for their way of living if it's not affecting you?
 
2011-10-06 10:45:15 AM

ph0rk: TheTeethoftheTiger: I feel the opinions on this site will inherently be skewed. But that said, video games really are a huge damn waste of time...the satisfaction one gets from maxing their character, or having an awesome round of COD, pales in comparison to learning an instrument, second language, or working on a car.

Correction: Spending too much time on any hobby is a waste of time - including learning an instrument. if you can't figure out how to do all those things (assuming you have an interest, something naysayers magically seem to forget) that is your problem.


/Speaking as one who has missed class while reading a book, watching tv, practicing an instrument, and playing video games, back in undergrad.
//Balance.


That's really the key. Balance. I know I couldn't find that when playing video games, I was easily addicted to them, but I have seen plenty of other friends get consumed by them too. So maybe I'm the one with the skewed view of them, regardless I still stand by elevating hobbies/ pursuits that have real world benefits. At least reading is an outlet for creative stimulation/ potentially learning (depending on the subject matter).
 
2011-10-06 10:45:35 AM

DaShredda: I love gaming.


I like making levels for games more than I like playing the games. Models, textures, sounds, music, maps ... and then seeing it all come together.
 
2011-10-06 10:45:47 AM

Uncle Tractor: FTFA: "This decline in founding virtues -- work, marriage, and religion"

Uh, of those three, only work is a virtue. I suspect many (most?) of the men who don't work, don't work because they can't find work.

As for marriage, that's an antiquated ritual that serves no purpose in today's world. If you find somebody you like, live together until you get tired of each other and then split up. No need to complicate things by getting stuck in a legal contract created for a time when single women couldn't support themselves.

Religion ... well, the world would be a better place without that BS "virtue."

Today, 18-to- 34-year-old men spend more time playing video games a day than 12-to- 17-year-old boys.

In what way is that worse than spending that time watching sports on TV or getting drunk?

IMO TFA can be summed up as "git offa mah lawn."


Serious, the Average senior spent no more than 8 hours a day at work. They have no business telling anyone what they do with their free time.
 
2011-10-06 10:46:54 AM

DaShredda: TheTeethoftheTiger: Take it from someone who has gone from gaming to trying to master actual real world skills and having real world achievements, the satisfaction one gets from maxing their character, or having an awesome round of COD, pales in comparison to learning an instrument, second language, or working on a car.

That's just your opinion.

I was in all Honor classes in high school. Graduated Cum Laude from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute.

I've made Flash animations, I've written songs, I've worked on SAP systems getting paid madd loot.

NONE of these things are as fun or as awesome as playing video games. If I didn't have to worry about money, I'd play World of WarCraft 24-7. That shiat is fun. So is Oblivion. Hell, I'd play Plants vs Zombies all day if I could.

Working sucks. That's how I feel. I try to write music, but I fail to see the point in it. I try to draw and make animations, but there is no reward. The work is the reward? That's bullshiat.

I love gaming.


Sounds like you need a new career. You're right, if you go to work everyday and see no point in what you accomplish then what is the point?
 
2011-10-06 10:47:23 AM

BreezyWheeze: make a point of being seen occasionally, in the company of younger or more attractive women. If she ever changes her mind, then you get to turn her down.


If you have the ability to be seen with attractive and younger women why would you worry about the first woman?
 
2011-10-06 10:48:33 AM

DaShredda: I was in all Honor classes in high school. Graduated Cum Laude from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute.

I've made Flash animations, I've written songs, I've worked on SAP systems getting paid madd loot.


Like you say, it really depends. I personally get a lot of satisfaction out of my work, so on a day-to-day basis I just want to come home and unwind. Video games are great for that. Especially when you come home at 6:00 or 7:00 at night and it's already dark out.

I really like working on my parent's house or on my truck on the weekends though, because I spend 40+ hours a week sitting in an office.
 
2011-10-06 10:49:04 AM
If you don't believe the numbers, just ask young women about men today. You will find them talking about prolonged adolescence and men who refuse to grow up. I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?"

Dear women who complain about this:

(Chivalry) (Equality)

Pick one.

/men not being interested in the unwinnable game of the American household =/= men in decline
 
2011-10-06 10:51:06 AM

TheTeethoftheTiger: That's really the key. Balance. I know I couldn't find that when playing video games, I was easily addicted to them, but I have seen plenty of other friends get consumed by them too. So maybe I'm the one with the skewed view of them, regardless I still stand by elevating hobbies/ pursuits that have real world benefits. At least reading is an outlet for creative stimulation/ potentially learning (depending on the subject matter).


One of my best gaming memories was Marathon - a first person shooter that essentially made you fight through each ~30 minute level with puzzles for four paragraphs of text as a reward.



CSB response: I mean no offense, but (of course) I firmly believe that those that let something like games (or booze, or sex, or whatever) dominate and take over their lives have some underlying issue and while going cold turkey might help in the short term, eventually something else will come along that has similar effects on their lives.


Uncle Tractor: DaShredda: I love gaming.

I like making levels for games more than I like playing the games. Models, textures, sounds, music, maps ... and then seeing it all come together.


I'm sure that's great fun, and like writing a song and arranging it for a band quite rewarding. Also a hassle and a pain at times, and for myself I enjoy just kicking back and making use of someone else's maps after I've done my creative labor for the day.

/With a few beers, of course.
//Gotta give myself a handicap
 
2011-10-06 10:52:41 AM

TheTeethoftheTiger: Sounds like you need a new career. You're right, if you go to work everyday and see no point in what you accomplish then what is the point?


Because there is an unplundered cache of rewarding, fulfilling jobs out there?

Such jobs are great (I have one) but be honest - they are rare as hen's teeth and in high demand.
 
2011-10-06 10:55:56 AM

Yoyo: manimal2878: Men of a certain age have seen the hollow promise of religion, the failed marriages of their parents, and that when it comes down to it they will be laid off from their job.

Why bother with any of that?

What failed marriage of my parents? My parents and their parents as well were married until the days my father and grandfathers died. In fact, I have a pretty good suspicion that my parents still had an active romantic relation up to the week my dad died. Additionally, none of them were ever laid off. (Of course, my parents weren't boomers, and their parents weren't the "greatest" generation.)


Congrats, you sound old.
 
2011-10-06 10:57:26 AM

Greymalkin: "A real human knows how to and could build the the house they live in and can make an intelligent educated attempt to fix any appliance inside it."

/ If your Weeners to a broken washing machine is to call for help or buy a new one, you have failed the species.


How about I write software and receive compensation. Then, when an appliance fails I use part of that compensation to pay someone to take care of it. It's called an economy.
/Works for me.
 
2011-10-06 10:58:34 AM
All well and good but we're already seeing the opening salvo's in the

"How come your kid gets to go to college and get a real job and my kid can't afford to go despite the fact that I have children with 3 different women and play x-box 18 hours a day...."

war.

We have this expectation of absolute freedom of choice but are shocked when (on average) people who get married, stay married and attempt to do the right things by their kids have kids that end up succeeding while others fail at a much higher rate.

I fully expect some sort of legal handicap to be applied to the children of married successful couples because its "unfair" that not all kids enjoy such privilege.
 
2011-10-06 10:59:14 AM

TheTeethoftheTiger:
Sounds like you need a new career. You're right, if you go to work everyday and see no point in what you accomplish then what is the point?


Wish the whole world worked like that - if we all left careers that were unfulfilling or worthless, there wouldn't be many careers with people in them at all. But hey, back to the topic at hand, all you need is for a career to be "challenging" and you pass the man test. Fulfillment is for pussies!
 
2011-10-06 11:01:06 AM

ph0rk: CSB response: I mean no offense, but (of course) I firmly believe that those that let something like games (or booze, or sex, or whatever) dominate and take over their lives have some underlying issue and while going cold turkey might help in the short term, eventually something else will come along that has similar effects on their lives.


A similar effect to fantasy accomplishment and adventure? I replaced that with actual accomplishment and adventure. Sometimes it really is just a poison for someone.
 
2011-10-06 11:03:09 AM
To the article I say: fark you, Bennett, and shut your whore mouth and make all of us a farking sammich.

Were men ever that religious anyway? It was my understanding that generally women were the actual religious ones and guys mostly went along with it for peace from nagging and that if men did get into it then they turned into assholes for the most part.

Anyway, ladies, what do you need a man for? Do it yourself or STFU.
 
2011-10-06 11:04:19 AM
Where's all the women who can still remember who all they slept with?

And "play too many video games, don't get married, and aren't religious enough"

Thats me - not changing either biatches.
 
2011-10-06 11:05:03 AM
If the women wore a label that said "triple input," I'd be more interested.
 
2011-10-06 11:05:58 AM

manimal2878: Yoyo: manimal2878: Men of a certain age have seen the hollow promise of religion, the failed marriages of their parents, and that when it comes down to it they will be laid off from their job.

Why bother with any of that?

What failed marriage of my parents? My parents and their parents as well were married until the days my father and grandfathers died. In fact, I have a pretty good suspicion that my parents still had an active romantic relation up to the week my dad died. Additionally, none of them were ever laid off. (Of course, my parents weren't boomers, and their parents weren't the "greatest" generation.)

Congrats, you sound old.


Hmm, is 29 old?

Cause my parents have been married to each other for about 33 years now...and are happy with each other.
 
2011-10-06 11:08:56 AM

Nick Spiceyweiner: And "play too many video games, don't get married, and aren't religious enough"

Thats me - not changing either biatches.


Word up son.

My dad told me the point of life is to be happy.

I'm pretty happy playing video games.
 
2011-10-06 11:09:29 AM

ph0rk: Way back in my early 20's, I used to turn down 'relations' from women that claimed they wouldn't abort if birth control failed (I asked). I used protection as a rule of course, but the risk was (imho) great enough that it wasn't worth it, so I passed.


The devil you say! You mean you actually talked about birth control and made contingency plans before farking?
What sort of phreak are you? I thought that 'real men' had no ability to control themselves. Oh - they want to run the world, but planning for sex is just a bridge too far.
 
2011-10-06 11:12:51 AM
True story about a baby daddy.

My cousin got knocked up by some random stoner. At the time she was brainwashed into being religious, and decided not to get an abortion. Her water breaks, she goes into labor. She says to the baby daddy. "I'm going to the hospital now. Can you pack the stuff and meet me there?"

She pushes this loser's baby out. Then she asks him, "Hey, can you give me a pair of socks?" He says, "What do you mean?" Turns out this guy packed a bag of stuff FOR HIMSELF. He had pajamas and books and toiletries like he was on some kind of sleep over and it didn't occur to him to pack anything for either the woman carrying his child or his newborn son.

Better off being a single mom than being with a man like that.
 
2011-10-06 11:13:50 AM
Right now, I am getting ready for three days of dirt bike riding in the desert with my "divorced, no desire to remarry" friends. Riding, drinking, BBQ'ing steaks, just generally having lots of fun. Don't have to get "permission" from anyone to go, next weekend is a buds birthday - already have a party planned at the local strip joint.
Yeah, it's tough, would give the freedom up to be stuck in a thankless marriage, working to support the ideals of a status hungry wife........NOT.
After 10 years of the married lifestyle, I can attest that being single is freakin' awesome, no desire to ever get married again.
 
2011-10-06 11:14:09 AM
Bill Bennett doesn't get to lecture me on ANYTHING! Bastard should be in jail.

That said...

I'm married, have a wonderful little spawn, and have a job. Last night I thoroughly enjoyed playing the open source version of Decent. Video games don't make you a bad person, ignoring your loved ones does. Bennett once again displays faulty logic.

And what single woman complains to HIM about the problems with her love life? I mean... REALLY? I can just see Bill and some hot twenty something sipping mimosas over brunch and biatching about how they can't get a man or a decent pair of shoes.

But here's the deal... we all suck. Men extend childhood much too long and women are intolerable shrews. It has been this way forever, we're just more open about it now and this is NOT why people are putting off getting married.

People put off getting married because it's advantageous culturally and economically. Had I gotten married five years earlier, I'd either have a ruined marriage or a ruined career. While this is just me, I am pretty typical of the modern white collar worker.

If Bill Bennett wants to know why we don't settle for the asshole across the table on date night earlier or more often, he should look at what he and his conservatard ilk have done to our society and prosperity.

As I said before... bastards.
 
2011-10-06 11:16:03 AM

AngryJailhouseFistfark:

As a reformed Christian, I know my resistance to revealed religions comes largely from there being no there there. Not everyone has the need for deeper meaning, though. Some are perfectly satisfied with shallow materialism.



Are you satisfied with shallow materialism? Once a person reaches middle age you should be over that.

I highlighted the interesting part of your comment. Although you may think it is a profound atheist statement, it is very mystical. Heaven is a mental construct because our minds are too simple to understand an existence without form. If you understand the structure of the physical universe, you will understand the structure of the true Cosmology.
 
2011-10-06 11:17:46 AM
Let the women go get the degrees and work the soul-crushing daily grind. Men will stay home, raise the kids, drink beer and play video games.
 
2011-10-06 11:20:04 AM

rev. dave: AngryJailhouseFistfark:
You need church for that? At my house we just call that "not being a douche."

As a reformed atheist, I know now that my resistance to religion was because I hated the hypocrisy. IMHO everyone has a need for a deeper meaning, the rules are what gets in the way. They should have used the concept of leveling with religion where they don't impose all the stupid restrictions until long after you understand the basics of being nice to one another. A good place for hard core atheists to start is non-religious philosophy and ethics, if that satisfies your inner needs then good. Buddhism and Taoism are also a good way to start for people who don't want a religious CEO.


Thanks for the suggestions, but if it's OK with you I'll just continue to treat my fellow human beings as I'd want to be treated, and religion with the contempt it deserves.

/Just imagine the trillions of hours that mankind has spent pointlessly pondering religious matters over the last few thousands of years. And what a farking waste of highly-evolved neurons that was.
 
2011-10-06 11:21:03 AM

hitlersbrain: What's funny is that all the fields women enter will slowly become less and less respected and interesting. Men have the energy. The world follows the energy.


Wut?

If that's true then what will be left to men besides prison and video games?
 
2011-10-06 11:21:45 AM

Rip Dashrock: Right now, I am getting ready for three days of dirt bike riding in the desert with my "divorced, no desire to remarry" friends. Riding, drinking, BBQ'ing steaks, just generally having lots of fun. Don't have to get "permission" from anyone to go, next weekend is a buds birthday - already have a party planned at the local strip joint.
Yeah, it's tough, would give the freedom up to be stuck in a thankless marriage, working to support the ideals of a status hungry wife........NOT.
After 10 years of the married lifestyle, I can attest that being single is freakin' awesome, no desire to ever get married again.


That sounds awesome.
 
2011-10-06 11:22:25 AM
Learning that there are no consequences for one's actions as kids leads to adults who don't value anything but the gratification of their own needs. I do think there is something to this stuff about missing role models. I am constantly asking myself what my dad would do in certain situations. Not sure where my ethics/principles would come from if I hadn't had him around until he died.

Men do suck and are immature, but this crap about women being mature is ridiculous. Most of the women I know still throw temper tantrums to get what they want, just like my 3yr old daughter.
 
2011-10-06 11:29:22 AM
Single atheist video gamers represent.
 
2011-10-06 11:29:34 AM
Whenever I talk with post-boomer adults, either gender, about relationships and families and all that, I can't help but notice that practically no one speaks about what they can offer to another person or to children in a marriage. It's always about what they want out of life, or a spouse, or a job, or whatever. It's always about what I can get, or my needs, or my happiness and fulfillment, and so on until I just feel a huge facepalm coming on. A mouthful of gimme and a handful of take, as a friend once said.

I've had a great marriage for 30 years now. The life wasn't always great, but the marriage was. Two wonderful kids, the works. I understood that when I asked my wife to marry me that there would be problems, and that the idea was that we would help each other go through this life in the best way we knew. She believed the same thing. If you go into a relationship with the attitude that it is something for your own benefit, and your desires go no further than that, that relationship will change before you wish or expect it to. And while I'm at it, let me tell you this about kids: They can be a tremendous vexation, and yes, they're expensive. But, when one of yours places first in a TaeKwonDo tournament at 8 years old and flashes a smile that lights up the gym (and as far as you're concerned the whole farking universe), you finally understand what's important. (Hint: It ain't video games). You can be talking to a friend one day 40 years from now and say "I've got three grandchildren", or "I once scored 1,000,000 on Star Cruisers". The choice is yours. But make no mistake; you're going to age, and you're going to die. Now, just how are you going to make it count? What will be your legacy?

Now get off my lawn. I've got to mow it. Cause the kids aren't old enough yet. But they're aging, too..........
 
2011-10-06 11:29:34 AM

tallguywithglasseson: Snarfangel: I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?"

Lol, he wrote that?

The kind of women who keep asking this question usually have quite a lot more to do with their own relationship problems than they would like everyone to believe.


This.


Smoking weed and video games is better than being with a psycho for the rest of your life.
 
2011-10-06 11:31:38 AM
To all the women that can't find a decent single guy...

5.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com

/hotlink
 
2011-10-06 11:32:14 AM

mr0x: The best games are rated mature, that are recommended for 17 and over. It's very convenient to make the cutoff mark 17. Most games are targeted towards 18-34 males and so maybe that's why they spend more time playing it. Young girls probably spend more time in the mall than older women.


Actually... the average age of a gamer today is 37. Think about that. But to throw a monkey wrench in his argument, gamers are 42% female and their share of the market is gradually increasing as well.
 
2011-10-06 11:36:38 AM
Once upon a time, a handsome Prince asked a beautiful Princess "Will you marry me?"

The Princess said "NO."

And the Prince lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and screwed skinny, big titted broads and hunted and raced cars. He went to naked bars and dated women half his age and drank whiskey, beer and Captain Morgan and never heard biatching and never paid child support or alimony.

He kept his house and guns and never got cheated on and all his friends and family thought he was really cool as hell and he had tons of money in the bank and he left the toilet seat up ..... The End


/If this hasn't been said already, here it is
//If this has been said already, it bears repeating
 
2011-10-06 11:40:41 AM

GalFriday: What if you want them older than 20's? I am in my 30's.


Plenty of guys like that too. I think part of the problem can simply be finding one another. I know that's my major problem when it comes to dating. I'm an introvert, so I don't care for the bar scene or big parties or the like. While not going out randomly is good for the pocketbook, it is not so good for finding someone.

I've had some success with online dating, but some failures with it as well. You could give it a shot, just understand that it isn't perfect. For guys, the problem is that you are 100% expected to make contact with women and frequently your attempt at contact will not generate a response. From talking to women who've tried it the big problem is getting deluged with contacts along the lines of "yo sex girl whut up u wnt fark" or just straight out creeps.

But I can confirm, being one myself, there are men in their 30s who enjoy games, are not interested in "growing up" where "growing up" actually means "having a family", but yet still own a house, have a stable job, and all that jazz.

I would also say don't necessarily make "gamer" a requirement. All you really need is someone who has hobbies of their own and respects your right to have hobbies. My parents are wonderful examples of this. Their hobbies have little overlap, but they both respect what each other like. They'll sit together, each doing their own thing, but talking and enjoying their company. Must be doing something right to still be married over 40 years later.

So if you find a gamer you like, wonderful. I certainly would like to find a gamer girl. However don't make it a requirement. Just make sure it is someone that understands that games are just another hobby, no better or worse than anyone, and no more or less useful. Hobbies are, after all, not useful, they are fun.
 
2011-10-06 11:41:15 AM

Meatzilla: Women in general don't need men anymore. I blame Science and D-cell batteries.


Men in general don't need women anymore. I blame internet pr0n and opposable thumbs.
 
2011-10-06 11:43:36 AM

CornerPocket: Whenever I talk with post-boomer adults, either gender, about relationships and families and all that, I can't help but notice that practically no one speaks about what they can offer to another person or to children in a marriage. It's always about what they want out of life, or a spouse, or a job, or whatever. It's always about what I can get, or my needs, or my happiness and fulfillment, and so on until I just feel a huge facepalm coming on. A mouthful of gimme and a handful of take, as a friend once said.

I've had a great marriage for 30 years now. The life wasn't always great, but the marriage was. Two wonderful kids, the works. I understood that when I asked my wife to marry me that there would be problems, and that the idea was that we would help each other go through this life in the best way we knew. She believed the same thing. If you go into a relationship with the attitude that it is something for your own benefit, and your desires go no further than that, that relationship will change before you wish or expect it to. And while I'm at it, let me tell you this about kids: They can be a tremendous vexation, and yes, they're expensive. But, when one of yours places first in a TaeKwonDo tournament at 8 years old and flashes a smile that lights up the gym (and as far as you're concerned the whole farking universe), you finally understand what's important. (Hint: It ain't video games). You can be talking to a friend one day 40 years from now and say "I've got three grandchildren", or "I once scored 1,000,000 on Star Cruisers". The choice is yours. But make no mistake; you're going to age, and you're going to die. Now, just how are you going to make it count? What will be your legacy?

Now get off my lawn. I've got to mow it. Cause the kids aren't old enough yet. But they're aging, too..........


Yeah, because you can't do both, right? Maybe you can play video games with said kids? Maybe my kid won't want to do TaeKwonDo. Can't I get the same satisfaction if he beats Super Mario Bros. for the first time if that's what he decides he wants to do? Your logic is flawed in that those two things have to be mutually exclusive. Adults are allowed to have fun too. Just because you don't like the way they have fun doesn't make it wrong or mean you can't be a successful person or parent.
 
2011-10-06 11:53:46 AM

Jobber8742: CornerPocket: Whenever I talk with post-boomer adults, either gender, about relationships and families and all that, I can't help but notice that practically no one speaks about what they can offer to another person or to children in a marriage. It's always about what they want out of life, or a spouse, or a job, or whatever. It's always about what I can get, or my needs, or my happiness and fulfillment, and so on until I just feel a huge facepalm coming on. A mouthful of gimme and a handful of take, as a friend once said.

I've had a great marriage for 30 years now. The life wasn't always great, but the marriage was. Two wonderful kids, the works. I understood that when I asked my wife to marry me that there would be problems, and that the idea was that we would help each other go through this life in the best way we knew. She believed the same thing. If you go into a relationship with the attitude that it is something for your own benefit, and your desires go no further than that, that relationship will change before you wish or expect it to. And while I'm at it, let me tell you this about kids: They can be a tremendous vexation, and yes, they're expensive. But, when one of yours places first in a TaeKwonDo tournament at 8 years old and flashes a smile that lights up the gym (and as far as you're concerned the whole farking universe), you finally understand what's important. (Hint: It ain't video games). You can be talking to a friend one day 40 years from now and say "I've got three grandchildren", or "I once scored 1,000,000 on Star Cruisers". The choice is yours. But make no mistake; you're going to age, and you're going to die. Now, just how are you going to make it count? What will be your legacy?

Now get off my lawn. I've got to mow it. Cause the kids aren't old enough yet. But they're aging, too..........

Yeah, because you can't do both, right? Maybe you can play video games with said kids? Maybe my kid won't want to do TaeKwonDo. Can't I get the same satisfaction if he beats Super Mario Bros. for the first time if that's what he decides he wants to do? Your logic is flawed in that those two things have to be mutually exclusive. Adults are allowed to have fun too. Just because you don't like the way they have fun doesn't make it wrong or mean you can't be a successful person or parent.


I think the point of his post was the whooshing sound that went about a mile over your head...
 
2011-10-06 11:54:26 AM

Tomahawk513:
and yeah that 1950s vs 2010s statistic is such bs. The war literally killed off so many men that if you were even half way able bodied in 1950 you had a job in a jump-started, thriving industrial economy. But I'm sure that's just like today, somehow... Which is why 18-34 year-olds play more video games, they can't find work so what else are they gonna do?


Because the video games in 1950 kind of sucked.
 
2011-10-06 11:55:43 AM
If this article was trying to suggest that there are a lot of self centered man-boys out there then the author should have just stepped into this thread. That would have done something...
 
2011-10-06 11:55:47 AM
To be fair, I'd rather have an article about man's decline written by a man than by Hanna Rosin. She is sexist, offensive, and stupid. This article seems more like "doddering old man wishes it was the 50's," which is stupid and banal but relatively harmless.
 
2011-10-06 11:56:55 AM

ihatedumbpeople: Good...women can go earn the money for once, guys can sit at home watching Oprah while eating bon-bons, then when a old high school flame looks him up, he can run off to his fairy tale land and take half HER money instead.


This sounds awesome. I don't know why we didn't think of this before.
 
2011-10-06 11:57:06 AM

rev. dave: lordaction:
Marriage is a guaranteed lose-lose situation for men.

Which is why I want to remove all restrictions for gay marriage and see if they can do it better. Maybe they have some special formula that fixes what society has broken.


As a gay man, you'd think I'd be getting a kick out of these replies, but much to my surprise gay marriage is turning out to be a whole hell of a lot like straight marriage (if you end up being the more butch in the relationship).

/ what the hell do you mean i HAVE to get a better paying job? YOU get a better paying job!
 
2011-10-06 12:02:05 PM
I guess I'll add a bit more.

I don't want to get married. I don't want to have kids.

I want to smoke marijuana and play video games.

Everyone I know with kids is stressed out and angry. They have no time. They yell. They go to crappy little kid softball and soccer games.

I want to play video games. I don't want to take a 5 year old to baseball practice. I personally hate sports. I think they are boring.

So go on out there. Get married. Have kids. Go to church.

I'm gonna get high as shiat and break out Half Life 2 Orange box. Because that's how I roll.

/pass the Diet Mountain Dew
 
2011-10-06 12:02:23 PM

rev. dave: AngryJailhouseFistfark:

As a reformed Christian, I know my resistance to revealed religions comes largely from there being no there there. Not everyone has the need for deeper meaning, though. Some are perfectly satisfied with shallow materialism.


Are you satisfied with shallow materialism? Once a person reaches middle age you should be over that.

I highlighted the interesting part of your comment. Although you may think it is a profound atheist statement, it is very mystical. Heaven is a mental construct because our minds are too simple to understand an existence without form. If you understand the structure of the physical universe, you will understand the structure of the true Cosmology.


Speak in vague riddles and entice me to ask you offline to explain this magic place.

I am not satisfied with shallow materialism but I know plenty who are. But I also know, having reached middle-age and not being just some fresh-outta-the-chute idealist, that the Mystical Realms of Heaven are just as unknowable as you describe, and as such may as well not exist for all the effect they have on our daily lives. It is only the human constructs you mention that drive the Believers. I don't search for what I cannot find. I ate their pie, it was sweet in my mouth but proved bitter in my belly. It left me quite empty and undernourished in the end.

/lunchtime
 
2011-10-06 12:04:40 PM

CornerPocket: But make no mistake; you're going to age, and you're going to die. Now, just how are you going to make it count? What will be your legacy?


You're assuming I want a legacy?
 
2011-10-06 12:04:41 PM

Franko: / what the hell do you mean i HAVE to get a better paying job? YOU get a better paying job!


This this this and this. And did I mention this?
 
2011-10-06 12:08:36 PM

rubi_con_man: So you're saying they're like the dudes who ask why chicks date jerks, and why they won't date "nice guys" like themselves?

/hint: you're not that nice a guy.


No, that's not what I said.
Maybe you should try replying to someone who did say that, since you've obviously got an old, tired, formulaic response locked and loaded.

What I did say was that women who constantly complain that there are "no decent single guys out there" have a lot more to do with their circumstances than they want everyone to think, or probably even think themselves.

Hint: when all your friends are getting married or are in relationships, and you can't find any decent single guys, it's not because your friends got the very last ones.

//never said I was that nice a guy
 
2011-10-06 12:09:20 PM

Braindeath: CornerPocket: But make no mistake; you're going to age, and you're going to die. Now, just how are you going to make it count? What will be your legacy?

You're assuming I want a legacy?


I know. When I die I don't care WTF happens. I'll be dead.

People think it's weird I don't want kids.

Why can't my friends just have kids and keep their misery to themselves? They act like it's not 'fair' I chose not to have kids.
 
2011-10-06 12:10:31 PM
Honestly I think its that people like me (who do not WANT families) are realizing that its an option. In the 50's you were a social pariah if you weren't married by 20 and popping out kids shortly thereafter.

I don't WANT kids.
I don't WANT a wife (anymore).

Why then, should I actively seek those things out? Its not a maturity loss or gap; its a realization that doing something that makes you unhappy just because "Everyone else is" is NOT a good reason.

As a nation; we'd be far better off if less people that didn't want children, didn't have them. I work for a school... believe me the lack of parental involvement in these kids lives gets worse and worse every year. (PS: helicopter parenting is even WORSE then neglect)

People that want to be parents and do a bang-up job.. that's what we need more of; not everyone getting hitched to make some statistic happy.
 
2011-10-06 12:10:52 PM
This old guy should read/watch Fight Club.
 
2011-10-06 12:16:07 PM

DaShredda: I guess I'll add a bit more.

I don't want to get married. I don't want to have kids.

I want to smoke marijuana and play video games.

Everyone I know with kids is stressed out and angry. They have no time. They yell. They go to crappy little kid softball and soccer games.

I want to play video games. I don't want to take a 5 year old to baseball practice. I personally hate sports. I think they are boring.

So go on out there. Get married. Have kids. Go to church.

I'm gonna get high as shiat and break out Half Life 2 Orange box. Because that's how I roll.


/pass the Diet Mountain Dew



/FTFA
//Pretty much says it all.
 
2011-10-06 12:19:18 PM

DaShredda: I guess I'll add a bit more.

I don't want to get married. I don't want to have kids.

I want to smoke marijuana and play video games.

Everyone I know with kids is stressed out and angry. They have no time. They yell. They go to crappy little kid softball and soccer games.

I want to play video games. I don't want to take a 5 year old to baseball practice. I personally hate sports. I think they are boring.

So go on out there. Get married. Have kids. Go to church.

I'm gonna get high as shiat and break out Half Life 2 Orange box. Because that's how I roll.

/pass the Diet Mountain Dew


As long as you can afford you lifestyle I'm cool with that. Do what you want, be happy. The second you lifestyle costs me money (via taxes/welfare/unemployment payments) it's your ass.
 
2011-10-06 12:21:47 PM

Fizpez: Jobber8742: CornerPocket: Whenever I talk with post-boomer adults, either gender, about relationships and families and all that, I can't help but notice that practically no one speaks about what they can offer to another person or to children in a marriage. It's always about what they want out of life, or a spouse, or a job, or whatever. It's always about what I can get, or my needs, or my happiness and fulfillment, and so on until I just feel a huge facepalm coming on. A mouthful of gimme and a handful of take, as a friend once said.

I've had a great marriage for 30 years now. The life wasn't always great, but the marriage was. Two wonderful kids, the works. I understood that when I asked my wife to marry me that there would be problems, and that the idea was that we would help each other go through this life in the best way we knew. She believed the same thing. If you go into a relationship with the attitude that it is something for your own benefit, and your desires go no further than that, that relationship will change before you wish or expect it to. And while I'm at it, let me tell you this about kids: They can be a tremendous vexation, and yes, they're expensive. But, when one of yours places first in a TaeKwonDo tournament at 8 years old and flashes a smile that lights up the gym (and as far as you're concerned the whole farking universe), you finally understand what's important. (Hint: It ain't video games). You can be talking to a friend one day 40 years from now and say "I've got three grandchildren", or "I once scored 1,000,000 on Star Cruisers". The choice is yours. But make no mistake; you're going to age, and you're going to die. Now, just how are you going to make it count? What will be your legacy?

Now get off my lawn. I've got to mow it. Cause the kids aren't old enough yet. But they're aging, too..........

Yeah, because you can't do both, right? Maybe you can play video games with said kids? Maybe my kid won't want to do TaeKwonDo. Can't I get the same satisfaction if he beats Super Mario Bros. for the first time if that's what he decides he wants to do? Your logic is flawed in that those two things have to be mutually exclusive. Adults are allowed to have fun too. Just because you don't like the way they have fun doesn't make it wrong or mean you can't be a successful person or parent.

I think the point of his post was the whooshing sound that went about a mile over your head...


No, I understood it, just don't agree with it. His definition of an adult is to give up those things you enjoyed when you were younger and to find happiness in "adult" things like being a parent and your child succeeding. My point is you can do both. Being an adult does not mean giving up what someone else can provide for you, that is and always will be important. So, they should be asking, what's in it for me?

/Married
//1 Toddler
///Great job
////Plays video games
 
2011-10-06 12:21:55 PM

crazytrpr: As long as you can afford you lifestyle I'm cool with that. Do what you want, be happy. The second you lifestyle costs me money (via taxes/welfare/unemployment payments) it's your ass.


I probably pay taxes that go to funding schools for kids I don't know.

But I'm cool with that. Education is important.

I think if people were educated better, we'd have less children running around.
 
2011-10-06 12:24:20 PM
The Rise of Rationality:

not married: check
play games: check
no religion: check
no kids: check

freedom: check
happy: check
 
2011-10-06 12:24:45 PM

ghare: electricjebus: Men are less likely to go to college, but when we do go we are more likely to get useful degrees... engineering vs liberal arts...

You haven't been to college lately


Has it changed that much since I was in undergrad? I just started taking graduate classes and there appears to be one (1) woman in a lecture of 40+. Zero (0) women were admitted to the university during the last admissions opening despite being their largest incoming class to date... and this is a top 10 engineering program.
 
2011-10-06 12:27:21 PM
Subby here, posting in apparently epic thread. This article deeply insulted me, for reasons everyone else has pretty well covered. But the proclamations about marriage and religion were especially galling. Apparently, I have no worth as a man if I don't get married and start a family; no one would dare say that about women in this day and age (and rightfully so), but say it about men and you get published on CNN. And he throws out the church-going statistic as though it's supposed to shock us, but in my opinion, decreased church attendance is a good thing for everyone.

So, yeah, file this one under "Old Man Yells at Cloud". And seriously, what is his obsession with video games? I'd wager he's never played one in his life.
 
2011-10-06 12:28:54 PM

bobbydigital20g: and waitamin...if guys are, en-mass, not getting married...then who are all the girls marrying?!

ALIEMS!


Exactly! Of the two women to whom I proposed marriage, one married a Turk and the other is engaged to an Australian.


/no regrets

Doubletwist-: Geeze, I can't imagine why [Yoyo is] having trouble finding a "worthwhile woman."

[Yoyo] doesn't have time, he has to be at the gym in 26 minutes...


Hey, you've got the wrong guy entirely. It's been weeks since I've been to the gym, and I don't have to be back there until Saturday morning. I'm much more the lecture and museum type of guy. Unfortunately, my current business trip has put a damper on those sorts of things since June. The point of my personal vignette was to answer the questions "What kind of man are you?" and "Where are the decent single men?" With such vague questions that lack any standard of measure, what response would you consider more appropriate regarding the points raised in this editorial?
 
2011-10-06 12:29:27 PM

patternmatch: And seriously, what is his obsession with video games? I'd wager he's never played one in his life.


or maybe he played leisure suit larry and tried those moves on real life ladies.
 
2011-10-06 12:33:52 PM

gmoney101: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".


This! Marriage is nothing more than a contract that says your girlfriend gets half your shiat when you break up! There is nothing in marriage that is good for a man, so why the fark do it? As for god and all that shiat.. where do I start?


What if her shiat is better than yours? You get half of that too, ya know.
What if you've been unemployed for the last two years of the marriage, hanging out collecting unemployment playing vids and flirting with your GF on the new iPhone she bought you because SHE makes decent money? Divorce her and sue for alimony ... it goes both ways.


/it happened to me it can happen to you. but the good way cause you're the man!
//marry gals with better shiat and you'll be cool.
 
2011-10-06 12:35:37 PM

crazytrpr: As long as you can afford you lifestyle I'm cool with that. Do what you want, be happy. The second you lifestyle costs me money (via taxes/welfare/unemployment payments) it's your ass.


LOL.

You know us single, childless folk pay the taxes that support everyone else's families, right?
It's everyone else's lifestyle that costs us money. Families are supported in so many ways. Not that I resent it, I don't know if I'll stay childless, I might get off my arse and meet someone one day. And as the other poster says - an educated population, a population where even the poorest kids can get a decent meal and have a roof over their heads, that's a society I'm willing to pay for.

I find your assumption that a life lived without the responsibility of marriage and kids might cost you money... bizarre.
 
2011-10-06 12:36:45 PM
Today WOULD have been my 11th wedding anniversary. Instead, I'm single, a devout atheist, and picked up RAGE last night. Have to say, I'm pretty damned happy with the way things turned out.

// not a basement dweller either
 
2011-10-06 12:36:59 PM

Fizics: This article doesn't surprise me in the least, I had to meet my husband through an exclusive dating service that I paid quite well to weed out the losers that infest the dating scene. The more common services seemed to specialize in the type of "man" that seemed to excel in video games and being unemployed. I finally met my husband through the service, pricey but worth every dollar spent.


You must be some looker to have to pay to find a decent guy...
 
2011-10-06 12:38:54 PM

Greymalkin: Greymalkin:

/ If your Weeners to a broken washing machine is to call for help or buy a new one, you have failed the species.

DAMN YOU FARK FILTER!!

F I R S T - R E S P O N S E.

If you are weenering your washing machine you are also doing something wrong.


Why will I fail the speicies if I don't want to take apart a washing machine? I'll call a repair guy or get a new one.
 
2011-10-06 12:38:59 PM
So more men are deciding to change society's standards to meet their own by rejecting previously established behavioral norms.

imokwiththis.jpg
 
2011-10-06 12:42:15 PM

BreezyWheeze: adamgreeney: After a while, even the best pussy gets boring. And then you're trapped. Terrible idea if your motivated by pussy.

I think it was Artie Lange who said, "You could be banging Supermodel Asian Triplets and even that would get dull after six months."

At a certain point it become pretty pathetic to be so mindlessly motivated by chasing pussy, though. Sure, its expected in your teens, accepted in your 20's and understandable in your 30's. But if you're a solidly middle-aged man (late thirties or older) who can't balance life's other rewards with mindless rutting, there's something kind of sad and undeveloped about you.


chud.com
Dan Fielding Frowns On Your Statement
 
2011-10-06 12:47:42 PM
Hahahahahahahahahaha! HA HA HA HA!!! Ow my sides.... I almost laughed up my spleen. No William J. Bennett, men are not on decline. Just the men you know.

Most of us are billions of years ahead in our thinking but cannot find an unmedicated non-psychopath for a girlfriend because they spend too much time in church lying to themselves about how reality works.

I'll stick to my games where we work as a team or we don't. No loss of house, children, money, furniture, sanity or physical violence over what religion I should believe to be popular.
 
2011-10-06 12:57:43 PM

aspAddict: I'm a good(ish...?) Christian guy, don't really play video games all the much, would like to settle down, have a decent education, solid work ethic and a stable job.

I'd like to settle down and get married some day, but the gf is dead set against it for some reason. Probably a case of "why buy the pig when you get the sausage for free." *shrug* I'll most likely be getting the boot soon enough. :)

(Hey, I said goodISH...)


Ever tried asking her? Communication is a part of a relationship which i think is the real reason women aren't finding alot of men.
Men don't talk as much as women, and women like me talk like it's goin' out of style.
 
2011-10-06 01:00:34 PM

apeiron242: Go be stupid somewhere else.

Women, when other variables are accounted for make about what men make. The pay equity myth has been busted over and over.


I never said anything about this. I quoted FTFA where they said women are being catapulted to the top of the work force and are leaving men in their dust, and pointed out that is not what is happening. I never once addressed the reasons why that might be so, which is what your rant was about. Who is the one being stupid?
 
2011-10-06 01:03:32 PM

Nick Spiceyweiner: Why will I fail the speicies if I don't want to take apart a washing machine? I'll call a repair guy or get a new one.


Indeed. Being able to fix a few things is fine, but expecting one to be able to (or desire to) fix everything they own is asinine. Chances are, their time is worth more than the cost of paying someone else to do it. That is sort of the point.
 
2011-10-06 01:05:44 PM

Burr: manimal2878: Yoyo: manimal2878: Men of a certain age have seen the hollow promise of religion, the failed marriages of their parents, and that when it comes down to it they will be laid off from their job.

Why bother with any of that?

What failed marriage of my parents? My parents and their parents as well were married until the days my father and grandfathers died. In fact, I have a pretty good suspicion that my parents still had an active romantic relation up to the week my dad died. Additionally, none of them were ever laid off. (Of course, my parents weren't boomers, and their parents weren't the "greatest" generation.)

Congrats, you sound old.

Hmm, is 29 old?

Cause my parents have been married to each other for about 33 years now...and are happy with each other.


They are cheating on each other and will eventually get divorced.
 
2011-10-06 01:07:26 PM

CornerPocket: Whenever I talk with post-boomer adults, either gender, about relationships and families and all that, I can't help but notice that practically no one speaks about what they can offer to another person or to children in a marriage. It's always about what they want out of life, or a spouse, or a job, or whatever. It's always about what I can get, or my needs, or my happiness and fulfillment, and so on until I just feel a huge facepalm coming on. A mouthful of gimme and a handful of take, as a friend once said.


I don't know what I can offer a wife, because I haven't ever been in a serious relationship. I might have one, but my job situation is pretty jacked up. Will I have a job in a year? If I do, then where is it going to be?

Maybe in my case it's probably better that I haven't found someone yet.

I've had a great marriage for 30 years now. The life wasn't always great, but the marriage was. Two wonderful kids, the works. I understood that when I asked my wife to marry me that there would be problems, and that the idea was that we would help each other go through this life in the best way we knew. She believed the same thing. If you go into a relationship with the attitude that it is something for your own benefit, and your desires go no further than that, that relationship will change before you wish or expect it to. And while I'm at it, let me tell you this about kids: They can be a tremendous vexation, and yes, they're expensive. But, when one of yours places first in a TaeKwonDo tournament at 8 years old and flashes a smile that lights up the gym (and as far as you're concerned the whole farking universe), you finally understand what's important. (Hint: It ain't video games). You can be talking to a friend one day 40 years from now and say "I've got three grandchildren", or "I once scored 1,000,000 on Star Cruisers". The choice is yours. But make no mistake; you're going to age, and you're going to die. Now, just how are you going to make it count? What will be your legacy?

You made your choices, so you can enjoy them. Guess what, not everyone thinks the same way as you do. A lot of people nowadays don't want to have kids, because they're not seeing a future for them.
 
2011-10-06 01:08:28 PM

panda: ghare: electricjebus: Men are less likely to go to college, but when we do go we are more likely to get useful degrees... engineering vs liberal arts...

You haven't been to college lately

Has it changed that much since I was in undergrad? I just started taking graduate classes and there appears to be one (1) woman in a lecture of 40+. Zero (0) women were admitted to the university during the last admissions opening despite being their largest incoming class to date... and this is a top 10 engineering program.


Here is some complimentary anecdotal evidence to you.
My wife works in the office of a "Liberal arts" university department. I think they graduated one (non-gay) male student about three years ago... I haven't seen one since.
 
2011-10-06 01:15:46 PM
as for the aricle itself, I can only respond in one song...

"I'm a 21st century digital boy,
I don't know how to live,
but I got a lot of toys,
My dady's a lazy middle class intelectual,
my mommy's on vallium,
it's all ineffectual"

/only sad if it's obscure.
 
2011-10-06 01:19:38 PM

ph0rk: Nick Spiceyweiner: Why will I fail the speicies if I don't want to take apart a washing machine? I'll call a repair guy or get a new one.

Indeed. Being able to fix a few things is fine, but expecting one to be able to (or desire to) fix everything they own is asinine. Chances are, their time is worth more than the cost of paying someone else to do it. That is sort of the point.


Not sure what you are arguing about but, does this mean I get to "contract" out my wife's "duties" as well?
Wow I never thought of it THAT way.
"It's OK baby. So you have a headache, I'll just call in a professional to take care of this."
I'm sure she would love that. Too tired? no problem. Not in the mood? just call for delivery
:-)
 
2011-10-06 01:23:13 PM

Braindeath: CornerPocket: But make no mistake; you're going to age, and you're going to die. Now, just how are you going to make it count? What will be your legacy?

You're assuming I want a legacy?


Don't have to assume. If you've got a life, you will leave a legacy. It's just like being born - you have no say in the matter. The only question is what sort of one you'll leave. May we all choose as wisely as we can.
 
2011-10-06 01:26:39 PM

MonoChango: ph0rk: Nick Spiceyweiner: Why will I fail the speicies if I don't want to take apart a washing machine? I'll call a repair guy or get a new one.

Indeed. Being able to fix a few things is fine, but expecting one to be able to (or desire to) fix everything they own is asinine. Chances are, their time is worth more than the cost of paying someone else to do it. That is sort of the point.

Not sure what you are arguing about but, does this mean I get to "contract" out my wife's "duties" as well?
Wow I never thought of it THAT way.
"It's OK baby. So you have a headache, I'll just call in a professional to take care of this."
I'm sure she would love that. Too tired? no problem. Not in the mood? just call for delivery
:-)


Well, in an ideal world - yes.

Might be a sensitive issue, though. Suggest at your own risk.
 
2011-10-06 01:31:53 PM
Men are in trouble because women stopped making them sandwiches...
 
2011-10-06 01:35:13 PM

BreezyWheeze: bighairyguy: Not necessarily. My mom was quite proud of the fact she could change a tire when she was 14. Her dad made that a condition of her getting a drivers licence, also at age 14.

Yeah I've made it clear to my girlfriend that if we have kids and she fails to produce a manchild for me, then I will still raise my daughter to be able to change a tire, calculate a slugging percentage, write in at least one programming language, and make fart-noises with her armpit.


Why wouldn't you do that regardless of whether or not you had a boy? Seriously...
the less prissy idiot chicks out there the better! :)

/chick
 
2011-10-06 01:41:10 PM
Isn't Bill Bennett one of the guys who's been pretty consistently against women's rights and working women for pretty much the exact same reason?
 
2011-10-06 01:42:59 PM

Crunch61: ihatedumbpeople: I say go back to the 50s, when all women valued their men and didn't treat them like man slaves.

[bookbuilder.cast.org image 640x415]

/oblig


There is nothing wrong with this unless you think this is the only side. There must be an equal "The good husband's guide".

There is nothing wrong with having and understanding a role

If you do not want to play the role - don't get married.

If you get married, don't get upset when your partner wants you to play the role of their spouse.
 
2011-10-06 01:43:00 PM

raygundan: mr0x: The best games are rated mature, that are recommended for 17 and over. It's very convenient to make the cutoff mark 17. Most games are targeted towards 18-34 males and so maybe that's why they spend more time playing it. Young girls probably spend more time in the mall than older women.

Actually... the average age of a gamer today is 37. Think about that. But to throw a monkey wrench in his argument, gamers are 42% female and their share of the market is gradually increasing as well.



Actually, it doesn't. Remember the original argument was, "18-to- 34-year-old men spend more time playing video games a day than 12-to- 17-year-old boys"

First, defining a gamer. You're probably basing your opinion on this paper.
Video-game players were distinguished from nonplayers depending on how participants rated the importance of playing video games. Reponses were recorded as either I don't use (0) or ranked on a scale ranging from not at all
important (1) to extremely important (9). A dichotomous video-game-playing variable was created by collapsing all responses 1 as video-game players and all responses equal to 0 as nonplayers.

I think calling anyone a gamer who gave more than 1 on a scale of 10 of how important they feel video games are in lives probably messes with the average age.

Second, the average age of the gamer doesn't have any relation to how many hours they spend playing video games. From the same paper,
The estimated time participants spent during a typical week playing video games either hooked up to a TV, handheld player (such as Game Boy, cell phone, or PDA), or online (M=0.87 hours/week, SD=2.57) was also assessed.

Average gamers spent about an hour a week gaming and look at the standard deviation on that. (I'm assuming M in these kinds of journals signify the mean and not something else).

Also, my argument was the comparison between two different age groups in men and thus women gamers don't factor into it.
 
2011-10-06 01:46:28 PM
Guys, look, feminists wanted equality. We kind of assumed you'd step up to the plate and say, "Okay, so we're all equal, we have to change how things work now--how do we do that fairly?".

You have yet to do this.

So I have no sympathy until you figure out what you want and start asking for it. Complaining on the internet doesn't count.

/And don't worry, it could be worse. In Saudi Arabia, you're allowed to drive.
 
2011-10-06 01:52:52 PM

bobbydigital20g: This whole article reads like:

[hikkyz.net image 383x336]

/ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO GET MARRIED AND PROVIDE FOR YOUR WIFE FAMILY (wife+kids+baggage)?


FTFY
 
2011-10-06 01:54:19 PM

PsiChick: Guys, look, feminists wanted equality. We kind of assumed you'd step up to the plate and say, "Okay, so we're all equal, we have to change how things work now--how do we do that fairly?".

You have yet to do this.

So I have no sympathy until you figure out what you want and start asking for it. Complaining on the internet doesn't count.

/And don't worry, it could be worse. In Saudi Arabia, you're allowed to drive.


Of course, maybe guys figured that once women had equality, they wouldn't still expect to be catered to and be a special class in the eyes of the law. Turns out, women didn't want equality... they just wanted all the good shiat, while still being coddled and treated special.
 
2011-10-06 01:54:53 PM
PsiChick [TotalFark] Quote 2011-10-06 01:46:28 PM
Guys, look, feminists wanted equality. We kind of assumed you'd step up to the plate and say, "Okay, so we're all equal, we have to change how things work now--how do we do that fairly?".

You have yet to do this.

So I have no sympathy until you figure out what you want and start asking for it. Complaining on the internet doesn't count.

/And don't worry, it could be worse. In Saudi Arabia, you're allowed to drive.




1/10
 
2011-10-06 01:56:23 PM

mr0x: Also, my argument was the comparison between two different age groups in men and thus women gamers don't factor into it.


I probably should have been clearer. I was disagreeing with the curmudgeon in the article, not really with you. My primary point is "gamers are older than people think, and about half women." The flip side of that is that most "gam3rz" would probably consider the amount and type of gaming a lot of these people are doing to not be hardcore enough to qualify them for the title.

An awful lot of "gaming" is facebook farming, regardless of whether Captain Quake wants to admit it.
 
2011-10-06 01:59:32 PM
William Bennett is an unamerican nazi who should go fark himself. That is all.

Now, I'm off to play Left For Dead 2!
 
2011-10-06 02:12:20 PM
Benni K Rok:

You made your choices, so you can enjoy them. Guess what, not everyone thinks the same way as you do. A lot of people nowadays don't want to have kids, because they're not seeing a future for them.


I don't see that logic. If a person decides not to kill himself each morning, then he believes in at least a decent future for himself. If he believes in at least a decent future for himself, why would he not believe the same for his kids?
 
2011-10-06 02:18:23 PM

CornerPocket: Benni K Rok:

You made your choices, so you can enjoy them. Guess what, not everyone thinks the same way as you do. A lot of people nowadays don't want to have kids, because they're not seeing a future for them.


I don't see that logic. If a person decides not to kill himself each morning, then he believes in at least a decent future for himself. If he believes in at least a decent future for himself, why would he not believe the same for his kids?


There's a big difference between decient and good. Right now I don't see a good enough reason to bring any number of children into the world, but it may change, because it's decient enough for me.
 
2011-10-06 02:23:21 PM

Benni K Rok: CornerPocket: Benni K Rok:

You made your choices, so you can enjoy them. Guess what, not everyone thinks the same way as you do. A lot of people nowadays don't want to have kids, because they're not seeing a future for them.


I don't see that logic. If a person decides not to kill himself each morning, then he believes in at least a decent future for himself. If he believes in at least a decent future for himself, why would he not believe the same for his kids?

There's a big difference between decient and good. Right now I don't see a good enough reason to bring any number of children into the world, but it may change, because it's decient enough for me.


Sorry, I must go do something and it can't wait any longer. I wish I could stay. Later, everybody
 
2011-10-06 02:29:54 PM

BreezyWheeze: Yoyo: Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?

It makes me a better man (than I would be otherwise) because I get a weekly reminder to be more charitable, less selfish, nicer to people around me, and a living example of my expectations of others.

One of the things the Catholics do right is tithing. Except the first 10% of your income shouldn't necessarily go to support the Catholic Church, it should go to a charity of your choice (I choose my local animal shelter and NPR affiliate). Doing this makes you think carefully about money, about what is and is not a worthwhile expenditure, and reminds you, every payday, to think about those who don't have the benefit of a regular paycheck.

While I may not agree with Catholics on a huge number of issues, the fundamentally progressive social mission they do (you know actually attempting to live out Jesus's command to care for the poor) always gets an appreciative nod from me.

Now if I could just convince these six old f*ckers down the street to stop picketing in front of the women's health clinic and spend their time at our local Catholic Charities soup kitchen instead, I'd be a happy camper.


Headso: whatever on the religion and the marriage thing but in my experience more traditional hobbies like wood working or metal working or doing some work on your house is more fulfilling than playing video games.


No its not.
 
2011-10-06 02:52:30 PM
Representin!

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-10-06 02:53:22 PM
Another thing. If there's anybody out there who does not need to work for a living? Keep yourself the fark to yourself.

I don't care if you're independently wealthy, fun, talented and a real kick to be around - you do not belong in this society. Unless you're willing - and able - to put on a top hat and morning coat and toss bags of cash at total strangers all day, you have no role in humanity.

Working people have no use for you as a human being, or indeed, as anything more than a meal ticket. Why not? Human beings do regular work for money. Those who do not are not human. The circumstances truly do not matter.

/Forget about friendship. You cannot be honest or understanding or relatable, because you don't work for money.
//Forget about being sexually attractive. You cannot be ambitious or goal-oriented or supportive, because you don't work for money.
///Forget about sharing basically anything with the rest of us, unless you manage to be some reclusive creative genius we don't have to get to know.
 
2011-10-06 02:53:56 PM

PsiChick: Guys, look, feminists wanted equality. We kind of assumed you'd step up to the plate and say, "Okay, so we're all equal, we have to change how things work now--how do we do that fairly?".

You have yet to do this.

So I have no sympathy until you figure out what you want and start asking for it. Complaining on the internet doesn't count.

/And don't worry, it could be worse. In Saudi Arabia, you're allowed to drive.


I could give a rats a$$ what women want. I make plenty of money, have my own house, play video games all I want, get laid when I want, and got no kids or child support.

/Livin the dream

DaShredda: Nick Spiceyweiner: And "play too many video games, don't get married, and aren't religious enough"

Thats me - not changing either biatches.

Word up son.

My dad told me the point of life is to be happy.

I'm pretty happy playing video games.


/high five
 
2011-10-06 02:54:36 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".

Women wanted equality, so let 'em have it. They can eat their slice of the shiat sandwich men have had all to themselves for years, and they can like it.


Wow, this thread was over quick. Why all the responses after this one?

/salute
 
2011-10-06 02:57:53 PM

Nick Spiceyweiner: Headso: whatever on the religion and the marriage thing but in my experience more traditional hobbies like wood working or metal working or doing some work on your house is more fulfilling than playing video games.

No its not.


Here to back that up!

I don't understand this 'fulfilling' thing people talk about. Something is fun, or something is not fun. Normally, we do fun things. Video games are fun, so I play them.

I don't understand this 'fulfillment'. What does that mean? People are all like, "I find building bird houses is fullfilling." What does that mean? is it a clever way of saying it's fun?
 
2011-10-06 02:59:58 PM

HereComesTheScience: free pussy


That is a myth, it has NEVER existed.
 
2011-10-06 03:03:06 PM

hitlersbrain: Read what? I used to read science fiction until it became infested with lame, terrible females writers and a few male writers whose one and only fantasy seems to be women in bikinis with bazookas acting like men.


Fiction is shiat. Read something you might be able to learn from...

Father_Jack: ah sure it is. people can do what they want with their spare time, go take your moral judgements and shove em. :)


Keep telling yourself it's OK and productive...repeat a lie enough and it becomes the truth, right?

hitlersbrain: Why do you feel the need to judge people for their way of living if it's not affecting you?


It's affecting society (re: dumbification) so, yes, it affects all of us. Seriously...when did it become OK to waste time doing useless shiat that produces 0 results. No one cares what level your character is...especially women, jackass. (foreveralone.jpg)

And...why does everyone feel the need to attack me today? Oh, that's right...cause I'm going to call you out for your laziness and adolescent hobbies. You. Are. Men. Stop being children and grow up.

I won't enable you. I won't say it's OK, because it's not. That's why you're ganging up on me...because I'm not going to say it's OK and enable your little kid games.

But, fark it, I don't care. Waste your life in a video game you useless, nothing shiats. See where it takes you in life....
 
2011-10-06 03:04:42 PM

OwnTheRide: HereComesTheScience: free pussy

That is a myth, it has NEVER existed.


It does exist, you just have to take it. It's not something that's handed out.
 
2011-10-06 03:08:08 PM

fatimcgee: And...why does everyone feel the need to attack me today? Oh, that's right...cause I'm going to call you out for your laziness and adolescent hobbies. You. Are. Men. Stop being children and grow up.

I won't enable you. I won't say it's OK, because it's not. That's why you're ganging up on me...because I'm not going to say it's OK and enable your little kid games.

But, fark it, I don't care. Waste your life in a video game you useless, nothing shiats. See where it takes you in life....


shiat, for being productive you sound kind of angry.

Maybe you should chill out and play video games with the rest of us. They are fun as hell.

You're pretty stressed out and upset for an 'adult'. Like you're not really in control of things.

Maybe instead of trying to impress strangers, you should level a character in WarCraft. I know nobody cares about it. But it's fun.

But then again I enjoy my sex life so I'm not entering a dick swinging contest.

30.media.tumblr.com
 
2011-10-06 03:10:40 PM

fatimcgee: hitlersbrain: Read what? I used to read science fiction until it became infested with lame, terrible females writers and a few male writers whose one and only fantasy seems to be women in bikinis with bazookas acting like men.

Fiction is shiat. Read something you might be able to learn from...

Father_Jack: ah sure it is. people can do what they want with their spare time, go take your moral judgements and shove em. :)

Keep telling yourself it's OK and productive...repeat a lie enough and it becomes the truth, right?
hitlersbrain: Why do you feel the need to judge people for their way of living if it's not affecting you?

It's affecting society (re: dumbification) so, yes, it affects all of us. Seriously...when did it become OK to waste time doing useless shiat that produces 0 results. No one cares what level your character is...especially women, jackass. (foreveralone.jpg)

And...why does everyone feel the need to attack me today? Oh, that's right...cause I'm going to call you out for your laziness and adolescent hobbies. You. Are. Men. Stop being children and grow up.

I won't enable you. I won't say it's OK, because it's not. That's why you're ganging up on me...because I'm not going to say it's OK and enable your little kid games.

But, fark it, I don't care. Waste your life in a video game you useless, nothing shiats. See where it takes you in life....


but posting on fark is super mature and very productive. as is arguing on the internet.
 
2011-10-06 03:31:39 PM
Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a farking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suit on hire purchase in a range of farking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fark you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing farking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, farked up brats you spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that?
 
2011-10-06 03:40:52 PM

fatimcgee: hitlersbrain: Read what? I used to read science fiction until it became infested with lame, terrible females writers and a few male writers whose one and only fantasy seems to be women in bikinis with bazookas acting like men.

Fiction is shiat. Read something you might be able to learn from...

Father_Jack: ah sure it is. people can do what they want with their spare time, go take your moral judgements and shove em. :)

Keep telling yourself it's OK and productive...repeat a lie enough and it becomes the truth, right?
hitlersbrain: Why do you feel the need to judge people for their way of living if it's not affecting you?

It's affecting society (re: dumbification) so, yes, it affects all of us. Seriously...when did it become OK to waste time doing useless shiat that produces 0 results. No one cares what level your character is...especially women, jackass. (foreveralone.jpg)

And...why does everyone feel the need to attack me today? Oh, that's right...cause I'm going to call you out for your laziness and adolescent hobbies. You. Are. Men. Stop being children and grow up.

I won't enable you. I won't say it's OK, because it's not. That's why you're ganging up on me...because I'm not going to say it's OK and enable your little kid games.

But, fark it, I don't care. Waste your life in a video game you useless, nothing shiats. See where it takes you in life....


You know, I think there's a medical procedure to pull that stick out of your ass.
 
2011-10-06 03:41:45 PM
I'm a man who is married, has a kid, has a college degree and is the sole provider for his house-hold so I am getting a kick out of these replies...

I do work in the video game industry though and I think religion is a bunch of hooey, so I guess I'm a hybrid.

The whole argument comes down to long term fulfillment versus short term fulfillment. In my day to day life I can be frustrated and I rarely do things for my own enjoyment (I haven't played a video game in months). I have buddies who sit around and smoke weed all day and play all the games they want. Are they having more fun than me on a given day? Yes probably.

The real question is how will they feel about it in 20 years? Still probably single, no family, and still playing games? That sounds pretty depressing to me. What was a fun diversion has become a life style. In a way it is no different than drug abuse. Stunted emotional growth, little to no life experience.
 
2011-10-06 03:42:55 PM
hitlersbrain: Read what? I used to read science fiction until it became infested with lame, terrible females writers and a few male writers whose one and only fantasy seems to be women in bikinis with bazookas acting like men.

Fiction is shiat. Read something you might be able to learn from...

Father_Jack: ah sure it is. people can do what they want with their spare time, go take your moral judgements and shove em. :)

Keep telling yourself it's OK and productive...repeat a lie enough and it becomes the truth, right?
hitlersbrain: Why do you feel the need to judge people for their way of living if it's not affecting you?

It's affecting society (re: dumbification) so, yes, it affects all of us. Seriously...when did it become OK to waste time doing useless shiat that produces 0 results. No one cares what level your character is...especially women, jackass. (foreveralone.jpg)

And...why does everyone feel the need to attack me today? Oh, that's right...cause I'm going to call you out for your laziness and adolescent hobbies. You. Are. Men. Stop being children and grow up.

I won't enable you. I won't say it's OK, because it's not. That's why you're ganging up on me...because I'm not going to say it's OK and enable your little kid games.

But, fark it, I don't care. Waste your life in a video game you useless, nothing shiats. See where it takes you in life....


I had a point I was going to attempt to make but screw it. You are an ignorant self important douchebag who isn't even worth the 2 seconds I took to type the insult. Get the fark over yourself. Who farking cares how you spend your days? What, exactly, do you do in your spare time to better humanity? So go back to reading important books so you can feel superior and maybe arm yourself for your next round of interweb arguments. Douche.
 
2011-10-06 03:47:39 PM

FirstNationalBastard: PsiChick: Guys, look, feminists wanted equality. We kind of assumed you'd step up to the plate and say, "Okay, so we're all equal, we have to change how things work now--how do we do that fairly?".

You have yet to do this.

So I have no sympathy until you figure out what you want and start asking for it. Complaining on the internet doesn't count.

/And don't worry, it could be worse. In Saudi Arabia, you're allowed to drive.

Of course, maybe guys figured that once women had equality, they wouldn't still expect to be catered to and be a special class in the eyes of the law. Turns out, women didn't want equality... they just wanted all the good shiat, while still being coddled and treated special.


Uh, no, we wanted equality. When you were stupid enough to keep thinking that special favors = sex, we laughed and went along with it. It's not really our fault if you're idiots.
 
2011-10-06 03:56:37 PM

fatimcgee: hitlersbrain: Read what? I used to read science fiction until it became infested with lame, terrible females writers and a few male writers whose one and only fantasy seems to be women in bikinis with bazookas acting like men.

Fiction is shiat. Read something you might be able to learn from...

Father_Jack: ah sure it is. people can do what they want with their spare time, go take your moral judgements and shove em. :)

Keep telling yourself it's OK and productive...repeat a lie enough and it becomes the truth, right?
hitlersbrain: Why do you feel the need to judge people for their way of living if it's not affecting you?

It's affecting society (re: dumbification) so, yes, it affects all of us. Seriously...when did it become OK to waste time doing useless shiat that produces 0 results. No one cares what level your character is...especially women, jackass. (foreveralone.jpg)

And...why does everyone feel the need to attack me today? Oh, that's right...cause I'm going to call you out for your laziness and adolescent hobbies. You. Are. Men. Stop being children and grow up.

I won't enable you. I won't say it's OK, because it's not. That's why you're ganging up on me...because I'm not going to say it's OK and enable your little kid games.

But, fark it, I don't care. Waste your life in a video game you useless, nothing shiats. See where it takes you in life....


I'm betting a lot further than you buddy, as I said above, great job, my own house, trim whenever I want, and in my free time I play video games, don't go to church, and do NOT plan on ever getting married. It's ok for me to do whateva the fark I like. And its gonna stay that way you moron shiat.

How bout getting off that high horse douche, and stop trying to act morally and mentally superior to anyone you talk to, mkay?
 
2011-10-06 04:00:26 PM

Barry McCackiner: The real question is how will they feel about it in 20 years? Still probably single, no family, and still playing games? That sounds pretty depressing to me. What was a fun diversion has become a life style. In a way it is no different than drug abuse. Stunted emotional growth, little to no life experience.


When people find something they really like to do, everyone else gets all pissy.

I like playing video games. It's what I choose to do.

I don't like traveling. I don't like sports (but I do enjoy running and going on walks). I like cooking, but that really isn't all that hard.

I find when people say "growing", "maturing", and "developing" they mean making lots of money so you can buy things to replace the free time you no longer have.

I'm sure it's awesome to sit in a plane and then sit on a bus and then look at the Eiffel Tower... actually I don't think that's awesome.
 
2011-10-06 04:00:29 PM

PsiChick: FirstNationalBastard: PsiChick: Guys, look, feminists wanted equality. We kind of assumed you'd step up to the plate and say, "Okay, so we're all equal, we have to change how things work now--how do we do that fairly?".

You have yet to do this.

So I have no sympathy until you figure out what you want and start asking for it. Complaining on the internet doesn't count.

/And don't worry, it could be worse. In Saudi Arabia, you're allowed to drive.

Of course, maybe guys figured that once women had equality, they wouldn't still expect to be catered to and be a special class in the eyes of the law. Turns out, women didn't want equality... they just wanted all the good shiat, while still being coddled and treated special.

Uh, no, we wanted equality. When you were stupid enough to keep thinking that special favors = sex, we laughed and went along with it. It's not really our fault if you're idiots.


This chick sounds like she's angry cause she never got a call back after some guy slept with her and bolted in the morning.
 
2011-10-06 04:06:33 PM

Nick Spiceyweiner: PsiChick: FirstNationalBastard: PsiChick: Guys, look, feminists wanted equality. We kind of assumed you'd step up to the plate and say, "Okay, so we're all equal, we have to change how things work now--how do we do that fairly?".

You have yet to do this.

So I have no sympathy until you figure out what you want and start asking for it. Complaining on the internet doesn't count.

/And don't worry, it could be worse. In Saudi Arabia, you're allowed to drive.

Of course, maybe guys figured that once women had equality, they wouldn't still expect to be catered to and be a special class in the eyes of the law. Turns out, women didn't want equality... they just wanted all the good shiat, while still being coddled and treated special.

Uh, no, we wanted equality. When you were stupid enough to keep thinking that special favors = sex, we laughed and went along with it. It's not really our fault if you're idiots.

This chick sounds like she's angry cause she never got a call back after some guy slept with her and bolted in the morning.


Try 'annoyed because my brother whines about this 24/7'. Believe it or not, you can grow up, even with teh evilz wimmins holding you back.
 
2011-10-06 04:08:15 PM

DaShredda: Barry McCackiner: The real question is how will they feel about it in 20 years? Still probably single, no family, and still playing games? That sounds pretty depressing to me. What was a fun diversion has become a life style. In a way it is no different than drug abuse. Stunted emotional growth, little to no life experience.

When people find something they really like to do, everyone else gets all pissy.

I like playing video games. It's what I choose to do.

I don't like traveling. I don't like sports (but I do enjoy running and going on walks). I like cooking, but that really isn't all that hard.

I find when people say "growing", "maturing", and "developing" they mean making lots of money so you can buy things to replace the free time you no longer have.

I'm sure it's awesome to sit in a plane and then sit on a bus and then look at the Eiffel Tower... actually I don't think that's awesome.


I hear what you are saying. I guess the line for most people is if they are doing something fun all of the time at the expense of other things. I get it. I used to play games all day everyday. It is an addiction similar to drugs at some point. You are replacing a balanced life with one of instant gratification. I don't know if there is any inherent good or bad associated with that. But you have to assume at some point your priorities will change. When they do, how old will you be and how much time did you waste? This may not apply to you. Maybe you are very measured in your game play. I'm just postulating.
 
2011-10-06 04:08:33 PM

PsiChick: Try 'annoyed because my brother whines about this 24/7'. Believe it or not, you can grow up, even with teh evilz wimmins holding you back.


Women. Can't live with them, can't lock them in your rape dungeon.
 
2011-10-06 04:11:02 PM

Barry McCackiner: I hear what you are saying. I guess the line for most people is if they are doing something fun all of the time at the expense of other things. I get it. I used to play games all day everyday. It is an addiction similar to drugs at some point. You are replacing a balanced life with one of instant gratification. I don't know if there is any inherent good or bad associated with that. But you have to assume at some point your priorities will change. When they do, how old will you be and how much time did you waste? This may not apply to you. Maybe you are very measured in your game play. I'm just postulating.


I go through phases. If I game, I want to sit down and game for 8 hours. I'm not the kind of person who would want to sit down and play a game for 30 minutes before I have to do something.

I don't do it that often, but when I do, I make it an event. I make sure I have a case of soda (Yeah, soda. I don't mix booze and games) and snacks.

I can't be like, "Oh, I have to be somewhere in 30 minutes. Let me play a game real quick." I don't find that fun. It's all or nothing.
 
2011-10-06 04:15:55 PM

PsiChick: Nick Spiceyweiner: PsiChick: FirstNationalBastard: PsiChick: Guys, look, feminists wanted equality. We kind of assumed you'd step up to the plate and say, "Okay, so we're all equal, we have to change how things work now--how do we do that fairly?".

You have yet to do this.

So I have no sympathy until you figure out what you want and start asking for it. Complaining on the internet doesn't count.

/And don't worry, it could be worse. In Saudi Arabia, you're allowed to drive.

Of course, maybe guys figured that once women had equality, they wouldn't still expect to be catered to and be a special class in the eyes of the law. Turns out, women didn't want equality... they just wanted all the good shiat, while still being coddled and treated special.

Uh, no, we wanted equality. When you were stupid enough to keep thinking that special favors = sex, we laughed and went along with it. It's not really our fault if you're idiots.

This chick sounds like she's angry cause she never got a call back after some guy slept with her and bolted in the morning.

Try 'annoyed because my brother whines about this 24/7'. Believe it or not, you can grow up, even with teh evilz wimmins holding you back.


FYI, your brother is not the all encompassing definition of what all men are like.

Barry McCackiner: DaShredda: Barry McCackiner: The real question is how will they feel about it in 20 years? Still probably single, no family, and still playing games? That sounds pretty depressing to me. What was a fun diversion has become a life style. In a way it is no different than drug abuse. Stunted emotional growth, little to no life experience.

When people find something they really like to do, everyone else gets all pissy.

I like playing video games. It's what I choose to do.

I don't like traveling. I don't like sports (but I do enjoy running and going on walks). I like cooking, but that really isn't all that hard.

I find when people say "growing", "maturing", and "developing" they mean making lots of money so you can buy things to replace the free time you no longer have.

I'm sure it's awesome to sit in a plane and then sit on a bus and then look at the Eiffel Tower... actually I don't think that's awesome.

I hear what you are saying. I guess the line for most people is if they are doing something fun all of the time at the expense of other things. I get it. I used to play games all day everyday. It is an addiction similar to drugs at some point. You are replacing a balanced life with one of instant gratification. I don't know if there is any inherent good or bad associated with that. But you have to assume at some point your priorities will change. When they do, how old will you be and how much time did you waste? This may not apply to you. Maybe you are very measured in your game play. I'm just postulating.


Ever heard the saying "different strokes, for different folks"? Just cause you cannot accomplish things in life and have fun while doing it, does not mean it is that way for everyone. Maybe you need to stop playing video games to be able to focus on the things you need to get done. Maybe it is not that hard for other people to accomplish the same or more, and they also can find the time to have fun. Maybe.
 
2011-10-06 04:18:44 PM

DaShredda: Women. Can't live with them, can't lock them in your rape dungeon.


Sure you can. It's all in the technique.
 
2011-10-06 04:19:39 PM

fatimcgee: It's affecting society (re: dumbification) so, yes, it affects all of us. Seriously...when did it become OK to waste time doing useless shiat that produces 0 results. No one cares what level your character is...especially women, jackass. (foreveralone.jpg)


"Take Me Out to the Ball Game" was written in 1908, so at least since then.
 
2011-10-06 04:21:13 PM

PsiChick: Try 'annoyed because my brother whines about this 24/7'. Believe it or not, you can grow up, even with teh evilz wimmins holding you back.


The two of you need to see other people.
 
2011-10-06 04:23:25 PM

Nick Spiceyweiner: Ever heard the saying "different strokes, for different folks"? Just cause you cannot accomplish things in life and have fun while doing it, does not mean it is that way for everyone. Maybe you need to stop playing video games to be able to focus on the things you need to get done. Maybe it is not that hard for other people to accomplish the same or more, and they also can find the time to have fun. Maybe.


Sure. I'm not saying it is all or nothing. There are plenty of people who can balance both. I just had a new baby so I'm hosed for awhile but I expect to be able to game again. I work in the game industry so I am surrounded with people who play and have lives with multiple components. I am more speaking to the type of person that works, goes home and plays Gears for 7 hours in a cloud of smoke and then repeats that all over again every day. Many of my guy friends are this way. They would say they are happy and that they enjoy it and my position is that eventually you will wake up from the haze and realize how much time has been wasted. Maybe there are plenty of people who are happy that way? I guess they will find out later when they hit 50.
 
2011-10-06 04:31:36 PM

Barry McCackiner: But you have to assume at some point your priorities will change. When they do, how old will you be and how much time did you waste? This may not apply to you. Maybe you are very measured in your game play. I'm just postulating.


You say waste; but how can you waste time you spend doing something you enjoy immensely?

My "video game time" it spent with 9 or 10 other people and the game is almost secondary to socializing with a diverse demographic. (world of warcraft here); There are people in my guild from all over the US, and at an amazingly wide range of ages (youngest=9; oldest is 60-something; he won't say for sure heh)

We all have differing political viewpoints as well as religious ones; but guess what; we talk about stuff, we debate, we argue, we call each other names; and then tomorrow we do it all over again. Its fun, its social, and is still a far better use of my time then alot of "leisure time" activities. (TV, Movies, Golf to name a few)

I'm 35 now; I started playing MMO's in collage (~19) so 16 years of gaming and I've improved every aspect of my life during that time. (Moved up in my field to a supervisor position; bought a house; taken several trips with other single friends; and generally enjoyed the shiat out of my life); in 20 more years if this keeps up I'll be looking back on a successful career; a paid off house; and still be just as happy.

I'm not in any way trying to belittle raising a family; or make it look bad or whatever. I get that not everyone finds joy in the same places. Not everyone wants the same things out of life or has the same goals.
 
2011-10-06 04:32:00 PM

GalFriday: So, where do you meet these men? I love video games, have no use for marriage, and am not religious at all, but would like companionship for the video game playing and hanging out in bars. Also sex.

Do I need to start looking in basement windows to find them?



How you doin'?

/Ha ha .... always wanted to say that.
//Also lives in Indianapolis
 
2011-10-06 04:33:47 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: DaShredda: Women. Can't live with them, can't lock them in your rape dungeon.

Sure you can. It's all in the technique.


A notarized consent form helps too...

/I know, it's not really rape when they sign the form.
 
2011-10-06 04:34:40 PM

Barry McCackiner: Nick Spiceyweiner: Ever heard the saying "different strokes, for different folks"? Just cause you cannot accomplish things in life and have fun while doing it, does not mean it is that way for everyone. Maybe you need to stop playing video games to be able to focus on the things you need to get done. Maybe it is not that hard for other people to accomplish the same or more, and they also can find the time to have fun. Maybe.

Sure. I'm not saying it is all or nothing. There are plenty of people who can balance both. I just had a new baby so I'm hosed for awhile but I expect to be able to game again. I work in the game industry so I am surrounded with people who play and have lives with multiple components. I am more speaking to the type of person that works, goes home and plays Gears for 7 hours in a cloud of smoke and then repeats that all over again every day. Many of my guy friends are this way. They would say they are happy and that they enjoy it and my position is that eventually you will wake up from the haze and realize how much time has been wasted. Maybe there are plenty of people who are happy that way? I guess they will find out later when they hit 50.


50's gonna be great, think of how badass games will be by then dude. Gonna be sweet.
 
2011-10-06 04:48:18 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: GalFriday: So, where do you meet these men? I love video games, have no use for marriage, and am not religious at all, but would like companionship for the video game playing and hanging out in bars. Also sex.

Do I need to start looking in basement windows to find them?


How you doin'?

/Ha ha .... always wanted to say that.
//Also lives in Indianapolis


Tee Hee!
 
2011-10-06 04:49:40 PM

Barry McCackiner: I'm a man who is married, has a kid, has a college degree and is the sole provider for his house-hold so I am getting a kick out of these replies...

I do work in the video game industry though and I think religion is a bunch of hooey, so I guess I'm a hybrid.

The whole argument comes down to long term fulfillment versus short term fulfillment. In my day to day life I can be frustrated and I rarely do things for my own enjoyment (I haven't played a video game in months). I have buddies who sit around and smoke weed all day and play all the games they want. Are they having more fun than me on a given day? Yes probably.

The real question is how will they feel about it in 20 years? Still probably single, no family, and still playing games? That sounds pretty depressing to me. What was a fun diversion has become a life style. In a way it is no different than drug abuse. Stunted emotional growth, little to no life experience.


Its not just about fun, it is about peace of mind.
No matter what you do, you need to enjoy as much of your life as possible.
You made commitments, so enjoy fulfilling them until they are unbearable, and then change what you can and accept what you cannot change....

People like me are not emotionally stunted, I just found that I cannot be in a relationship with a woman and be happy because it is too much work. I learned the hard way that being alone is the most peace I will have. After accepting that, it even got easier.

Not everyone is like me. I cannot smoke weed because it keeps me from getting a job, so I play video games or whatever I want with the time I have.
 
2011-10-06 04:51:25 PM

cyferhax: Barry McCackiner: But you have to assume at some point your priorities will change. When they do, how old will you be and how much time did you waste? This may not apply to you. Maybe you are very measured in your game play. I'm just postulating.

You say waste; but how can you waste time you spend doing something you enjoy immensely?

My "video game time" it spent with 9 or 10 other people and the game is almost secondary to socializing with a diverse demographic. (world of warcraft here); There are people in my guild from all over the US, and at an amazingly wide range of ages (youngest=9; oldest is 60-something; he won't say for sure heh)

We all have differing political viewpoints as well as religious ones; but guess what; we talk about stuff, we debate, we argue, we call each other names; and then tomorrow we do it all over again. Its fun, its social, and is still a far better use of my time then alot of "leisure time" activities. (TV, Movies, Golf to name a few)

I'm 35 now; I started playing MMO's in collage (~19) so 16 years of gaming and I've improved every aspect of my life during that time. (Moved up in my field to a supervisor position; bought a house; taken several trips with other single friends; and generally enjoyed the shiat out of my life); in 20 more years if this keeps up I'll be looking back on a successful career; a paid off house; and still be just as happy.

I'm not in any way trying to belittle raising a family; or make it look bad or whatever. I get that not everyone finds joy in the same places. Not everyone wants the same things out of life or has the same goals.


Lone wolf style. I get that. I used to play Wow too and I know how social it is (and UO, EQ, DAOC, SWG, AO, etc). I guess for me I always had this internal desire to be married and have kids. No one ever really pushed me to do it. I just felt like it was what I had to do. I sometimes miss the idea of gaming like I used to. But when I was gaming hard core I wasn't happier than I am now minute to minute. I guess if you really do not have the desire for a traditional family then you aren't missing anything.

I would still state though that having kids is what you were meant to do. Modern life has just allowed you to not do it. If you believe that a happy organism is a successful organism then from the point of view of evolutionary biology, nothing you could do will make you happier than reproducing. As some one who has reproduced recently I can say that I am not necessarily happier in a "fun" sort of way, but I definitely feel more purpose than I used to and I definitely feel like I am building something. Time will tell if that means I am happier in the long run or not. I have quite a few friends like you in my life so I guess I'll find out in a decade or so how they feel about it.

Everyone should live the life they want to though. It is your right. I'm just philosophizing.
 
2011-10-06 05:02:19 PM

Somacandra: Bill Bennett is a certainly dubious voice for ethics, given his own gambling addiction. Nevertheless, I don't think he's entirely misguided on this point. I have witnessed this more and more over the years among my own friends and neighbors--men who are increasingly unable to fulfill basic reciprocal responsibilities to their partners and their children. Yes, of course the system screws everyone. Yes, women behave badly too and have suffered from a lack of parenting themselves. That's been the case in different ways and measures. However, that is not an excuse for bad behavior on the part of men either. Any boy can be a sperm donor, but a man helps raise and guide his children, as well as helping support his spouse(s), whether male or female. Not that there are too many all male harems or polyfamilies out there, but if they have authentic men those responsibilities are getting addressed there as well.


If a woman has a child with one of these men, it's their fault just as much as the man-children they might complain about.
 
2011-10-06 05:21:27 PM
I'm conflicted, because I've been married 16 years, I've held a job continuously for the last 13 years without any breaks in employment, and I love video games.

I play HALO against my sons all the time. I'm counting the days until Skyrim comes out.

Am I a man-child or not?
 
rpm
2011-10-06 05:22:25 PM

fatimcgee: Seriously...when did it become OK to waste time doing useless shiat that produces 0 results.


Bread and Circuses ring a bell?

So, a few millenia. Where have you been?
 
2011-10-06 05:35:04 PM
Yeah Id rather be alone than marry the ladies I have been dating. Plus my roomate has hot friends that are always over yeeeeah Ill stick with that for now
 
2011-10-06 06:00:47 PM

JNowe: Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a farking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suit on hire purchase in a range of farking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fark you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing farking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, farked up brats you spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that?


There is an alternative. For anyone with half a brain, it's called New York. Go, find a tiny smelly apartment, smoke like a fiend, and be an art- and literature-loving cynic.

If neither appeals to you, trust me - you're farked beyond all understanding.
 
2011-10-06 06:36:46 PM
How else does this man think I should live my life that is not impacting him at all? I think video games are a complete waste of time, and I personally don't play them because I prefer to get things done with my life, but I don't see anything wrong with people letting their brains go to slop as they're hold up in their mom's basement. That's their decision.
 
2011-10-06 07:21:23 PM

DaShredda: I guess I'll add a bit more.

I don't want to get married. I don't want to have kids.

I want to smoke marijuana and play video games.

Everyone I know with kids is stressed out and angry. They have no time. They yell. They go to crappy little kid softball and soccer games.

I want to play video games. I don't want to take a 5 year old to baseball practice. I personally hate sports. I think they are boring.

So go on out there. Get married. Have kids. Go to church.

I'm gonna get high as shiat and break out Half Life 2 Orange box. Because that's how I roll.

/pass the Diet Mountain Dew


you are now fav'ed and farkied as, "bachelor extraordinaire"
 
2011-10-06 07:42:29 PM

fatimcgee: And...why does everyone feel the need to attack me today? Oh, that's right...cause I'm going to call you out for your laziness and adolescent hobbies. You. Are. Men. Stop being children and grow up.

I won't enable you. I won't say it's OK, because it's not. That's why you're ganging up on me...because I'm not going to say it's OK and enable your little kid games.

But, fark it, I don't care. Waste your life in a video game you useless, nothing shiats. See where it takes you in life....



fark you.
 
rpm
2011-10-06 07:46:12 PM

fatimcgee: And...why does everyone feel the need to attack me today? Oh, that's right...cause I'm going to call you out for your laziness and adolescent hobbies. You. Are. Men. Stop being children and grow up.


Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.


- CS Lewis
 
2011-10-06 08:00:20 PM

This text is now purple: If it gets you down from your high horse, homosexuality and transgendering had to be explicitly excluded [from the DSM], too.


No; homosexuality at least (not sure about transsexuality yet) was not specifically excluded from being otherwise lumped in with delusional disorders. It was straight-up removed from the DSM because there was no evidence to show that it was a disorder at all. Further, homosexuality is concerned only with an individual's perception of their own self, and unlike religion, makes no claims about the world at large.

Religion, by comparison, meets all the criteria for a delusion, but the language specifically gives it a pass with the "ordinarily accepted by others" phrasing.
 
2011-10-06 08:18:26 PM

BreezyWheeze: Fuzzy Cheese: Now we have affirmative action, which is nothing more than accepted racism against white men.

That's not even remotely true.

The misunderstanding about what "affirmative action" means is staggering. And as pervasive as the non-problems that Billy Bennett is complaining about in the article.


That's what I tried saying when people started complaining about my seperate-but-equal water fountains. I'm not trying to deny blacks water, just trying to help whites get a cleaner sip.
 
2011-10-06 09:20:50 PM

GalFriday: HellRaisingHoosier: GalFriday: So, where do you meet these men? I love video games, have no use for marriage, and am not religious at all, but would like companionship for the video game playing and hanging out in bars. Also sex.

Do I need to start looking in basement windows to find them?


How you doin'?

/Ha ha .... always wanted to say that.
//Also lives in Indianapolis

Tee Hee!


Strike Another Indy "Loser" from what ol' stick in the mud said up there.

What has this loser accomplished?

Long term Health Care IT career. Guitarist. Gamer. Exerciser. Metal Head. Ad Nauseum.

I'm 30. I figured out a couple years ago that unless I meet a woman who enjoys some of the stuff I do, that its not going to work. Because god knows I've tried. But Try explaining to a gal that you took the two days after Fallout 3 came out off of work SPECIFICALLY because you planned on getting knee deep in the experience, and you're a failure? Why not do things in my life that I enjoy? I sure work hard enough to enjoy the fruits...

Like some others have noted. I've seen failed relationships, I've seen failed marriages. The good ones are out there, but I've just gotten just a little tired of not living up to expectations and looked at like a man child, because I do things that I like. Love me, Love my Music and my Gaming and my horrible sense of humor, join in or accept these parts of my life just like you'd accept my nice salary and vacations and house big enough for both of us.

I don't like the idea of being alone for god knows how long, but I'm through with digging and digging and digging to find my personal match.

/End Rant
 
2011-10-06 09:37:05 PM
So, if I said something like the following, would it be sexist?

"Pick up a controller, or GTFO woman"
 
2011-10-06 09:42:24 PM

Benni K Rok: So, if I said something like the following, would it be sexist?

"Pick up a controller, or GTFO woman"


My girlfriend holds controller two while I shoot her with controller one. She gets vibration, I get violence. Is that wrong?
 
2011-10-06 10:21:14 PM

DaShredda: My girlfriend holds controller two while I shoot her with controller one. She gets vibration, I get violence. Is that wrong?


Depending on what game you're playing I have to imagine you're giving her about 5 seconds of pleasure before her character dies. How long til respawn?
 
2011-10-06 10:26:58 PM
"I play games, not girls."
 
2011-10-06 11:01:46 PM

DaShredda: Benni K Rok: So, if I said something like the following, would it be sexist?

"Pick up a controller, or GTFO woman"

My girlfriend holds controller two while I shoot her with controller one. She gets vibration, I get violence. Is that wrong?


You do know there's a massage program on XBLA that will only set you back a dollar.
 
2011-10-07 12:13:14 AM

DaShredda: PsiChick: Try 'annoyed because my brother whines about this 24/7'. Believe it or not, you can grow up, even with teh evilz wimmins holding you back.

Women. Can't live with them, can't lock them in your rape dungeon.


If you do it right, they'll walk in on their own like Otis from Mayberry.

/ and choose their favorite punishment
// I
 
2011-10-07 03:36:41 AM

ghare: electricjebus: Men are less likely to go to college, but when we do go we are more likely to get useful degrees... engineering vs liberal arts...

You haven't been to college lately


Yeah, I have.
 
2011-10-07 03:46:10 AM
Job security is nonexistent, hard work goes unrecognized and it ultimately gets you nowhere. (Lying, cheating, and backstabbing, on the other hand...) Video games are great entertainment, and cheap, which is very important in an economy where work doesn't pay. Marriage and children are too expensive for the working class, and religion (at least organized religion, as opposed to spirituality) is just there to get people to drink the right wing kool-aid. The "traditional male role" may have worked in the past, but in today's world (shaped mostly by the political right) is a dead end path, which any guy with half a brain doesn't want to go down.
 
2011-10-07 05:54:26 AM

Franko: rev. dave: lordaction:
Marriage is a guaranteed lose-lose situation for men.

Which is why I want to remove all restrictions for gay marriage and see if they can do it better. Maybe they have some special formula that fixes what society has broken.

As a gay man, you'd think I'd be getting a kick out of these replies, but much to my surprise gay marriage is turning out to be a whole hell of a lot like straight marriage (if you end up being the more butch in the relationship).

/ what the hell do you mean i HAVE to get a better paying job? YOU get a better paying job!


I approve of gay marriage, you all deserve the right to be miserable like the rest of us.
 
2011-10-07 08:48:31 AM
But, on the other hand, women be shoppin'.
 
2011-10-07 10:32:10 AM
It's not that guys are irreligious, gamers, and marriage-averse that's the problem. None of those things are bad. All of those things together are not bad. Cynicism isn't even bad--it's pretty much justified because there's a lot about the world that sucks right now.

There's a problem among men and women both of people being emotionally isolated and self-absorbed. It's not just a distance in our sexual relationships, it's a distance in our social and family relationships. We interface with each other through electronic intermediaries and spend little face time socializing, compared to the amount people used to.

I think it makes for more assholish behavior from everybody, male and female both. Women lamenting that more men are becoming immature assholes and fark men lamenting that more women are becoming immature, selfish biatches---both sides may be right.

/have a sammich
 
2011-10-07 10:39:11 AM
I'm not sure why marriage is getting such hate here. Living with somebody you love. I imagine it's terrific.
 
2011-10-07 11:03:01 AM
Meh, Maybe it's just me but I don't date men that don't play video games.

/Gamer girl
//DNRTFA
///Yes I'm hot and yes I'll kick your ass
 
2011-10-07 11:15:41 AM

RadicalEryn82: ///Yes I'm hot


Location: Sandusky, Ohio

i call bullshiat.
 
2011-10-07 11:18:50 AM

Andrew Wiggin: RadicalEryn82: ///Yes I'm hot

Location: Sandusky, Ohio

i call bullshiat.


That's nice.
 
2011-10-07 11:23:45 AM

Andrew Wiggin: RadicalEryn82: ///Yes I'm hot

Location: Sandusky, Ohio

i call bullshiat.


Oh, not to mention I'm not from here...and you know that. Because I know who you are so I'm assuming you know who I am.
 
2011-10-07 11:24:49 AM

RadicalEryn82: Andrew Wiggin: RadicalEryn82: ///Yes I'm hot

Location: Sandusky, Ohio

i call bullshiat.

Oh, not to mention I'm not from here...and you know that. Because I know who you are so I'm assuming you know who I am.


lighten up francis, i was joking

/lives in ohio
 
2011-10-07 01:17:25 PM

Andrew Wiggin: RadicalEryn82: Andrew Wiggin: RadicalEryn82: ///Yes I'm hot

Location: Sandusky, Ohio

i call bullshiat.

Oh, not to mention I'm not from here...and you know that. Because I know who you are so I'm assuming you know who I am.

lighten up francis, i was joking

/lives in ohio


NP. Wanna play battlefield 3 beta with me? ^.~
 
2011-10-07 01:42:38 PM

Zik-Zak: FirstNationalBastard: Sgt Otter: If playing video games with my girlfriend and sleeping in on Sunday morning is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

It seems to be a pet project of the religious and republicans... control, control, control.

Control a person by shackling them in a marriage, control a person by making them feel guilty for things by using religion, control control control.

It really pisses them off that the current generation isn't taking to being shackled and controlled in the traditional ways.

My wife's fine with my video game addiction (hell, she bought me GT5 and a wheel this past Winter Solstice Holiday Season, FFS), as long as it doesn't interfere with quality time (she's not the needy type that demands attention all the time) and that she can jump in at any time (and whip my ass in Tekken 6).

She draws the line at MMORPGs, though.


Tekken represent! My only addiction...
 
2011-10-07 01:44:30 PM

RadicalEryn82: Andrew Wiggin: RadicalEryn82: Andrew Wiggin: RadicalEryn82: ///Yes I'm hot

Location: Sandusky, Ohio

i call bullshiat.

Oh, not to mention I'm not from here...and you know that. Because I know who you are so I'm assuming you know who I am.

lighten up francis, i was joking

/lives in ohio

NP. Wanna play battlefield 3 beta with me? ^.~


bring it, newb! :)
 
2011-10-07 02:33:22 PM

DaShredda: I guess I'll add a bit more.

I don't want to get married. I don't want to have kids.

I want to smoke marijuana and play video games.

Everyone I know with kids is stressed out and angry. They have no time. They yell. They go to crappy little kid softball and soccer games.

I want to play video games. I don't want to take a 5 year old to baseball practice. I personally hate sports. I think they are boring.

So go on out there. Get married. Have kids. Go to church.

I'm gonna get high as shiat and break out Half Life 2 Orange box. Because that's how I roll.

/pass the Diet Mountain Dew


I thought you were me for a minute, but I'd never live in Philly...

/diet Mt Dew
 
2011-10-07 03:04:04 PM

Andrew Wiggin: RadicalEryn82: Andrew Wiggin: RadicalEryn82: Andrew Wiggin: RadicalEryn82: ///Yes I'm hot

Location: Sandusky, Ohio

i call bullshiat.

Oh, not to mention I'm not from here...and you know that. Because I know who you are so I'm assuming you know who I am.

lighten up francis, i was joking

/lives in ohio

NP. Wanna play battlefield 3 beta with me? ^.~

bring it, newb! :)


woot
 
2011-10-07 04:40:57 PM

Bagelox-99: JNowe: Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a farking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suit on hire purchase in a range of farking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fark you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing farking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, farked up brats you spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that?

There is an alternative. For anyone with half a brain, it's called New York. Go, find a tiny smelly apartment, smoke like a fiend, and be an art- and literature-loving cynic.

If neither appeals to you, trust me - you're farked beyond all understanding.


Why the hell would anyone sensible want to live in NYC?

Crime, high unemployment, corrupt cops, high cost of living, private transportation is expensive and slow, and it is stressful to hell and back.

If I had to chose a larger city, KCMO or maybe Seattle. Screw moving to NYC.

/no offense to anyone living in NYC, I just don't see the percentage in moving to the city at this point in time.
 
2011-10-07 06:43:47 PM
NYC is the only place left where you can get away from the mass culture and not end up in some dumbass, faddish, pseudo-counter-culture.

People who opt out anywhere are sad. But at least NYC has a place for sad people.
 
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