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2011-10-06 09:58:04 AM

Doink_Boink: Yoyo: Ok, for all intents and purposes, I am "The Man." (That's right, I'm the one oppressing everybody.) I'm well educated, gainfully employed, own a house and 3 cars, white, heterosexual, voted almost a straight Republican ticket last time at the poles, and attend chruch weekly (even if I am one of those godless Catholics). I'm single, never married, no children. My household income is double the median (~$50k/yr), and my individual income is triple the male median (~$30k/yr). Now, my question is this, where are the worthwhile women? It's a two way street. In my age range and geographic area the vast majority of single women are uneducated with children or divorces. I expect a woman to bring something positive to the altar. If a woman wants me to provide for her and hers like it's 1960, then I expect her to do likewise. Maybe my standards are too high for this day and age, but it seems like women are living in dreamland too.


Geeze, I can't imagine why you're having trouble finding a "worthwhile woman."


He doesn't have time, he has to be at the gym in 26 minutes...
 
2011-10-06 09:59:28 AM

Dadoody: Meh. Enjoy it while they can. Once the oil runs out, the planet's resources are stripped, and the ice sheets return, it'll be up to us again.


Good snakr but not to far off the mark. Resources will shrink as will economies, that means increased competiton. Increased comptetion leads to vilence something men as a group are supreme at no matter what the technology
 
2011-10-06 10:00:09 AM

GalFriday: Domino's Fiend: GalFriday: So, where do you meet these men? I love video games, have no use for marriage, and am not religious at all, but would like companionship for the video game playing and hanging out in bars. Also sex.

Do I need to start looking in basement windows to find them?

As suggested above, doubt you'd have many real problems getting men if you're into anything remotely nerdy. Depends what sort of videogame playing guy you're after. If you're after the socially astute male who just happens to play games, then you have the exact same problem as every other woman, which means the age old haunts and meat markets of doom. I would suggest looking online, but gamers en masse can be resistant to women in their group.

In all seriousness though, most guys in their 20s are gamers to some extent. And yes, some of them even live above ground. (Though they have decorated their rooms to look like basements)

What if you want them older than 20's? I am in my 30's.


Hmm...that's a bit trickier, just because I imagine in my world full of broad brush strokes and easily identifiable stereotypes that the gamers at that age would either be painfully obvious (not in a good way) or almost invisible - maybe you could try and persuade the lapsed gamer that he should not have put away childish things?
 
2011-10-06 10:00:10 AM
I think this (new window) is very apropos given the subject
 
2011-10-06 10:01:08 AM

ph0rk: fatimcgee: Go ahead fellas...keep telling yourself that it's perfectly OK to play video games into your 30's...

\It's not, but, whatever...

Here's where you educate us on what we should be doing with our time...


Be mature. In other words, fake interest in stupid shiat you actually hate. Do things you don't want to do. All to impress a bunch of strangers you really don't care about.

I won't make you live longer but it will SEEM a lot longer. Also, you'll be much happier when it's over.
 
2011-10-06 10:02:41 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".

Women wanted equality, so let 'em have it. They can eat their slice of the shiat sandwich men have had all to themselves for years, and they can like it.



Done in one. I am quite happy to see women in the jobs that men have traditionally had to do. This is equality. Those jobs lead to an early death through stress, accident, or cancer. Enjoy!

On the flip side, there is no need to work myself to death for screaming leeches that hate you when they turn 13, no `significant other` who needs me to earn ever increasing amounts of money to feed their desire for better products. Lots of spare cash to just give to someone in return for sexual favours! Lots of spare time for video games!

win win!

I love equality.
 
2011-10-06 10:02:55 AM

The_Terminator: ITT:

[weknowmemes.com image 640x480]


Pretty sure the foreveralones are all furiously clicking on GalFriday's profile rather than posting, but I can only speak for myself.

It is entirely possible to have an enjoyable long-term relationship while remaining a boy-who-shaves, or whatever demeaning stupid name you wish to give the refusal to become a dronelike wage-slave who has a wife and kids because they're standard issue.

Of course, if you made those choices yourself, you have no option but to defend them with your dying breath; because to do otherwise would be to admit you made a tragic mistake.
 
2011-10-06 10:03:11 AM

Yoyo: debug: Part of the problem is that women have always been told to marry or date up, so as women get more educated and obtain better jobs, their pool of "acceptable" mates shrinks. They see no one as an acceptable match and then complain that all men are lazy and there are no good single men left. What they really mean is that there are no single men left that are good enough for me. They don't want to date or marry down, yet they still expect us to.

Ok, for all intents and purposes, I am "The Man." (That's right, I'm the one oppressing everybody.) I'm well educated, gainfully employed, own a house and 3 cars, white, heterosexual, voted almost a straight Republican ticket last time at the poles, and attend chruch weekly (even if I am one of those godless Catholics). I'm single, never married, no children. My household income is double the median (~$50k/yr), and my individual income is triple the male median (~$30k/yr). Now, my question is this, where are the worthwhile women? It's a two way street. In my age range and geographic area the vast majority of single women are uneducated with children or divorces. I expect a woman to bring something positive to the altar. If a woman wants me to provide for her and hers like it's 1960, then I expect her to do likewise. Maybe my standards are too high for this day and age, but it seems like women are living in dreamland too.


Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?

It makes me a better man (than I would be otherwise) because I get a weekly reminder to be more charitable, less selfish, nicer to people around me, and a living example of my expectations of others. I often forget those things, because when I'm surrounded by idiots (which is quite often), I stoop to their level when I should take the high road and not resort to pettiness and laziness in retaliation.


Do you have to be at the gym in 26 minutes?
 
2011-10-06 10:03:31 AM
This whole article reads like:

hikkyz.net

/ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO GET MARRIED AND PROVIDE FOR YOUR WIFE?
 
2011-10-06 10:04:42 AM

Fark You Buddy: Fizics: This article doesn't surprise me in the least, I had to meet my husband through an exclusive dating service that I paid quite well to weed out the losers that infest the dating scene. The more common services seemed to specialize in the type of "man" that seemed to excel in video games and being unemployed. I finally met my husband through the service, pricey but worth every dollar spent.

Haha, you had to pay for a man. Bet he's cheating on you on the side.


That is just mean! Why not let her lie to herself that she got a good deal? Maybe she is into the femdom thing and had a harder time finding a submissive partner.
 
2011-10-06 10:06:05 AM

rev. dave: That is just mean! Why not let her lie to herself that she got a good deal? Maybe she is into the femdom thing and had a harder time finding a submissive partner.


The only women that have trouble finding partners are 6's who think they're 9's.
 
2011-10-06 10:06:26 AM

fatimcgee: Go ahead fellas...keep telling yourself that it's perfectly OK to play video games into your 30's...

\It's not, but, whatever...


ah sure it is. people can do what they want with their spare time, go take your moral judgements and shove em. :)

i quit playing games at about 35. i am a PC purist, i cant stand console controllers and hate stupid shooters. for me its all about the mouse and keyboard. I loved myth 2, the origanl EQ, operation flashpoint, and bought most of the RTS genre over the years.

and you know what? games just got boring. when command and conquer came out in 1995-ish i was talking on the phone to my lover at the time who wanted to hang out that night...and i said i wasnt feeling well because i wanted to play this game it was so new to me, the RTS idea. man it was cool. (on a side note, i wanted to play a video game more than bang a hot 19yr old...man i would not have those priorities these days but i digress...)

and now 15 years later? the RTS genre hasnt fundamentally changed AT ALL. ooh look the units are all 3d and shoot neat lasers which make glows and the graphics look great...but f it its still the same rock paper scissors arsebiscuitry its been for years! units engaging at 50yards, the pervasive concept of "hitpoints"... LAME! cant anyone design a NEW, truly NEW ground breaking RTS? the napoleon game was pretty good...but we've seen that too since the era of Caesar II.

and shooters are just retarded these days. all the faux middle east war stuff where guys run and gun thru burnt out towns and shoot hajis at point blank range while taking 10rds from an ak then retreating to heal up.... LAME.

red orchestra is the only shooter that even vaguely scratches the realism itch.

(although as an amateur miltary historian and war nerd who has a safe full of ww2 and ww1 era weapons i admit my requirements for realism are slightly higher than the average basement dweller with a bag a cheetos at his desk)

arrgh these games today, get them off my lawn.
 
2011-10-06 10:06:59 AM

bobbydigital20g: This whole article reads like:

[hikkyz.net image 383x336]

/ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO GET MARRIED AND PROVIDE FOR YOUR WIFE?


HAHAHAHAH That picture is awesome!!!
 
2011-10-06 10:08:51 AM

lordaction:
Marriage is a guaranteed lose-lose situation for men.


Which is why I want to remove all restrictions for gay marriage and see if they can do it better. Maybe they have some special formula that fixes what society has broken.
 
2011-10-06 10:08:56 AM

squidgod2000: Men? Men are weak. The race of Men is failing. The unemployment check is all but spent, its value and usefulness forgotten. It is because of men that only porn survives.

/too early


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2011-10-06 10:12:26 AM

fatimcgee: Go ahead fellas...keep telling yourself that it's perfectly OK to play video games into your 30's...

\It's not, but, whatever...


I did not play video games while I was dating to be respectful of my current GF. Even the geeky one who although was a bit too fat, has been the best chance I had for growing old with someone. Anyway its all over now and I like my video games.
(39 yrs old and catching up on missing video games in my late 20's though mid 30's)
 
2011-10-06 10:14:56 AM
Well, the stupid government took astronaut away from us as a viable job, also moon dune-buggying away from us. What's left to do when you realize the long-term future prospects for you do not include living in space?
 
2011-10-06 10:15:34 AM

Yoyo: Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?

It makes me a better man (than I would be otherwise) because I get a weekly reminder to be more charitable, less selfish, nicer to people around me, and a living example of my expectations of others. I often forget those things, because when I'm surrounded by idiots (which is quite often), I stoop to their level when I should take the high road and not resort to pettiness and laziness in retaliation.


You need church for that? At my house we just call that "not being a douche."
 
2011-10-06 10:15:58 AM

Father_Jack: red orchestra is the only shooter that even vaguely scratches the realism itch.


I hate realistic shooters. Give me team deathmatch, CTF, or whatever all day long. (I enjoy Bad Company 2, but I like Left 4 Dead 2 more. Arma 2 got played once.)

To each their own, of course. I can understand getting into a realistic sim, I just like fast muscle twitch games and realistic sims trend away from that.
 
2011-10-06 10:16:59 AM
I'm 30 and I friggin' love playing video games.

When I was a kid, I wanted to grow up and play video games as much as I want. And I do.

XBOX, PC, whatever. More so XBOX. But then again my XBOX is my entertainment center. Movies, Music, Video Games. It's all right there.
 
2011-10-06 10:17:01 AM
Well, except in China, where they kill a significant percent more girl babies than boy babies. Here we kill both equally.
 
2011-10-06 10:18:17 AM
So can I assume this Bennett is another rich right wing dufus trolling around to blame some one or group for the fact he and his tax dodging shiatbag mates have right royally fecked it to the West.
 
2011-10-06 10:18:21 AM
Not like there aren't any double standards in this world.

I found this ad on another site. content.yieldmanager.edgesuite.net
 
2011-10-06 10:19:44 AM
I do agree that if you are going to spawn, both parents need to raise the kid. And as for his religiosity claims....well lets just say going to church and believing aren't the same thing. That having been said, it would be nice if people who believe in the literal truth of a mystic book actually knew what was in it.
 
2011-10-06 10:20:59 AM

Father_Jack: and shooters are just retarded these days. all the faux middle east war stuff where guys run and gun thru burnt out towns and shoot hajis at point blank range while taking 10rds from an ak then retreating to heal up.... LAME.


Check out the Onion's satirical take on "Modern Warfare 3"

Besides, if you took a round from an AK-47 and had to wait 2-6 months with multiple surgeries before you could continue playing, it wouldn't be much fun at all.
 
2011-10-06 10:22:33 AM

Yoyo:
It makes me a better man (than I would be otherwise) because I get a weekly reminder to be more charitable, less selfish, nicer to people around me, and a living example of my expectations of others. I often forget those things, because when I'm surrounded by idiots (which is quite often), I stoop to their level when I should take the high road and not resort to pettiness and laziness in retaliation.


only weekly! Couldn't you just put it in your outlook calendar? I set mine to remind me daily and it's way more interactive then God.
 
2011-10-06 10:22:49 AM

ph0rk: Here's where you educate us on what we should be doing with our time...


Reading...perhaps a hobby that is, you know, productive...

hitlersbrain: Be mature. In other words, fake interest in stupid shiat you actually hate. Do things you don't want to do. All to impress a bunch of strangers you really don't care about.




I don't do any of that. No one is saying that's what you HAVE to do. I'm just saying find something productive and positive to do with your time, that's all...

rev. dave: I did not play video games while I was dating to be respectful of my current GF. Even the geeky one who although was a bit too fat, has been the best chance I had for growing old with someone. Anyway its all over now and I like my video games.
(39 yrs old and catching up on missing video games in my late 20's though mid 30's)


\csb.
 
2011-10-06 10:24:21 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".

Women wanted equality, so let 'em have it. They can eat their slice of the shiat sandwich men have had all to themselves for years, and they can like it.


Ya, it's probably good your girlfriend lives in Canada also, huh?

Sorry, but I know 3 guys who are exactly like this. They're wastes of skin and have no redeeming quality as a "regular" person. Lately, they can't even hold a conversation that doesn't have game terminology in it.
Idiocracy, here we come.
I like games....
 
2011-10-06 10:25:03 AM

trolltimusprime: I do agree that if you are going to spawn, both parents need to raise the kid. And as for his religiosity claims....well lets just say going to church and believing aren't the same thing. That having been said, it would be nice if people who believe in the literal truth of a mystic book actually knew what was in it.


Way back in my early 20's, I used to turn down 'relations' from women that claimed they wouldn't abort if birth control failed (I asked). I used protection as a rule of course, but the risk was (imho) great enough that it wasn't worth it, so I passed.

You would not believe how batshiat crazy pissed off they got about this. How dare I?

/I say "used to" because I've been in a stable relationship for quite some time and issues like that are generally already hashed out.
 
2011-10-06 10:25:20 AM
The world could stand a few less births each year. If the dude isn't eager to have kids, don't pressure him, find one who is, or adopt one of your own, or get a donor and raise one by yourself or with your other female friends who give in to the ticking of the clock and think babies fix everything.
 
2011-10-06 10:25:21 AM

AngryJailhouseFistfark:
You need church for that? At my house we just call that "not being a douche."


As a reformed atheist, I know now that my resistance to religion was because I hated the hypocrisy. IMHO everyone has a need for a deeper meaning, the rules are what gets in the way. They should have used the concept of leveling with religion where they don't impose all the stupid restrictions until long after you understand the basics of being nice to one another. A good place for hard core atheists to start is non-religious philosophy and ethics, if that satisfies your inner needs then good. Buddhism and Taoism are also a good way to start for people who don't want a religious CEO.
 
2011-10-06 10:26:35 AM
I like video games.
I hate religion.
And I've gotten laid consistantly thoughout my entire adult life, except those 2 years that I was married.

Being in decline just works for me, I guess.
 
2011-10-06 10:27:48 AM
FTFA: "This decline in founding virtues -- work, marriage, and religion"

Uh, of those three, only work is a virtue. I suspect many (most?) of the men who don't work, don't work because they can't find work.

As for marriage, that's an antiquated ritual that serves no purpose in today's world. If you find somebody you like, live together until you get tired of each other and then split up. No need to complicate things by getting stuck in a legal contract created for a time when single women couldn't support themselves.

Religion ... well, the world would be a better place without that BS "virtue."

Today, 18-to- 34-year-old men spend more time playing video games a day than 12-to- 17-year-old boys.

In what way is that worse than spending that time watching sports on TV or getting drunk?

IMO TFA can be summed up as "git offa mah lawn."
 
2011-10-06 10:28:37 AM

fatimcgee: ph0rk: Here's where you educate us on what we should be doing with our time...

Reading...perhaps a hobby that is, you know, productive...


I bet I play more hours of video games than you watch TV and I've read more books this week than you have, in addition to the professional reading I must do for my vocation. I get to sharpen my problem solving skills and hand-eye coordination, both things that are very damned productive, and I still enjoy many books, to the point where I have to limit how much I spend on them. (Yes, library, but instant ebook now is very nice)

Never mind that to put one form of intellectual entertainment on some sort of pedestal relative to others is stupid and short-sighted.

I'm sure you're merely trolling, but try and do so with an argument that isn't fatuous.
 
2011-10-06 10:30:20 AM
I was going to come in here to say how he's right, because I'm none of the things in TFH. Then I read TFA. You farkin' kidding me, Bill? So, what you're saying (in a nutshell) is that the younger generation isn't pulling its weight? This is a repeat from every generation since at least Aristotle.

You're old. Get younger!!
 
2011-10-06 10:30:47 AM
Playing video games is a symptom, not a cause. When you have a generation of young men growing up with a single mother household, no strong male role models at school (eg: no male teachers), and zero tolerance policies against school "violence" (eg: bring a butterknife to school, get a 2 week suspension), you have a world that young men don't relate to. So why the heck not? Fire up the ole PS3 and find a world that does pander to your needs.

/citation needed
 
2011-10-06 10:32:56 AM

rev. dave: AngryJailhouseFistfark:
You need church for that? At my house we just call that "not being a douche."

As a reformed atheist, I know now that my resistance to religion was because I hated the hypocrisy. IMHO everyone has a need for a deeper meaning, the rules are what gets in the way. They should have used the concept of leveling with religion where they don't impose all the stupid restrictions until long after you understand the basics of being nice to one another. A good place for hard core atheists to start is non-religious philosophy and ethics, if that satisfies your inner needs then good. Buddhism and Taoism are also a good way to start for people who don't want a religious CEO.


As a reformed Christian, I know my resistance to revealed religions comes largely from there being no there there. Not everyone has the need for deeper meaning, though. Some are perfectly satisfied with shallow materialism.
 
2011-10-06 10:33:12 AM
Reading fiction is no better than watching television.

Unless it's more productive to do something the slowest way possible, like reading.

"Hey guys I just spent two hours reading The Shining. I think Jack might get a job to work at some hotel!"
 
2011-10-06 10:33:30 AM
FTFA: "William J. Bennett,"

Stopped reading right there.
 
2011-10-06 10:35:27 AM

Yoyo: It makes me a better man (than I would be otherwise) because I get a weekly reminder to be more charitable, less selfish, nicer to people around me, and a living example of my expectations of others.


Why do you theists need those reminders? Not that those reminders seem to take very well, judging by the way so many of you behave.
 
2011-10-06 10:35:51 AM
I feel the opinions on this site will inherently be skewed. But that said, video games really are a huge damn waste of time. Take it from someone who has gone from gaming to trying to master actual real world skills and having real world achievements, the satisfaction one gets from maxing their character, or having an awesome round of COD, pales in comparison to learning an instrument, second language, or working on a car.

One skill set comes with real world benefits, the other comes with little icons that will be forgotten when the next console comes out.

/Reformed gamer.

As for marriage, the laws need to be adjusted for the new reality of women being capable of supporting themselves post divorce. Children do still require stable family relationships for the best chances of successful emotional and personal development, marriage is still a necessary institution. Our culture is aware that remaining in abusive relationships is counter-productive, so there should be no stigma. That said, it seems there are far more divorces occurring because either both or one of the partners are too stupid to understand/accept that marriage requires shared sacrifices.

/ Haven't tried marriage yet.

Religion argument is silly. Religion provides the foundation or common cultural values (important), but there are other less made up ways to accomplish the same.
 
2011-10-06 10:37:19 AM
I remember back in my dating years not too long ago, I would always ask my female friends if they had any friends that they could set me up with. I had a good career, wanted to settle down, and yeah, played video games in my free time. But as an "acceptable man" by these standards, I couldn't find any nibbles on my line in the sea. So...these women asking for "acceptable men" don't exist.

\\happily married
\\\two kids
\\\\wife approves of my video game playing.
 
2011-10-06 10:37:25 AM

Toquinha: Playing video games is a symptom, not a cause. When you have a generation of young men growing up with a single mother household, no strong male role models at school (eg: no male teachers), and zero tolerance policies against school "violence" (eg: bring a butterknife to school, get a 2 week suspension), you have a world that young men don't relate to. So why the heck not? Fire up the ole PS3 and find a world that does pander to your needs.

/citation needed


I grew up in a single parent household.

I grew up raised by my dad. My mom left us.

I saw my dad work hard. I saw my dad struggle. I saw him with ZERO time for himself as he worked a job, came home and did house work.

I grew up helping him with house work. I went to school, came home, and did housework.

I saw first hand how absolutely horrible his life was, and I am determined to spend all my time as an adult having fun, playing video games, drinking, running, doing Yoga, and other shiat.

Just because you grow up with a hard working father doesn't mean your magically going to be a hard working person.

/pass the weed
 
2011-10-06 10:39:09 AM

TheTeethoftheTiger: I feel the opinions on this site will inherently be skewed. But that said, video games really are a huge damn waste of time...the satisfaction one gets from maxing their character, or having an awesome round of COD, pales in comparison to learning an instrument, second language, or working on a car.


Correction: Spending too much time on any hobby is a waste of time - including learning an instrument. if you can't figure out how to do all those things (assuming you have an interest, something naysayers magically seem to forget) that is your problem.


/Speaking as one who has missed class while reading a book, watching tv, practicing an instrument, and playing video games, back in undergrad.
//Balance.
 
2011-10-06 10:41:10 AM

TheTeethoftheTiger: Take it from someone who has gone from gaming to trying to master actual real world skills and having real world achievements, the satisfaction one gets from maxing their character, or having an awesome round of COD, pales in comparison to learning an instrument, second language, or working on a car.


That's just your opinion.

I was in all Honor classes in high school. Graduated Cum Laude from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute.

I've made Flash animations, I've written songs, I've worked on SAP systems getting paid madd loot.

NONE of these things are as fun or as awesome as playing video games. If I didn't have to worry about money, I'd play World of WarCraft 24-7. That shiat is fun. So is Oblivion. Hell, I'd play Plants vs Zombies all day if I could.

Working sucks. That's how I feel. I try to write music, but I fail to see the point in it. I try to draw and make animations, but there is no reward. The work is the reward? That's bullshiat.

I love gaming.
 
2011-10-06 10:44:22 AM

fatimcgee: ph0rk: Here's where you educate us on what we should be doing with our time...

Reading...perhaps a hobby that is, you know, productive...

hitlersbrain: Be mature. In other words, fake interest in stupid shiat you actually hate. Do things you don't want to do. All to impress a bunch of strangers you really don't care about.

I don't do any of that. No one is saying that's what you HAVE to do. I'm just saying find something productive and positive to do with your time, that's all...


Read what? I used to read science fiction until it became infested with lame, terrible females writers and a few male writers whose one and only fantasy seems to be women in bikinis with bazookas acting like men.

Productive and positive for who? I work, make a good amount of money, donate to causes I like and play a crapload of video games.

Why do you feel the need to judge people for their way of living if it's not affecting you?
 
2011-10-06 10:45:15 AM

ph0rk: TheTeethoftheTiger: I feel the opinions on this site will inherently be skewed. But that said, video games really are a huge damn waste of time...the satisfaction one gets from maxing their character, or having an awesome round of COD, pales in comparison to learning an instrument, second language, or working on a car.

Correction: Spending too much time on any hobby is a waste of time - including learning an instrument. if you can't figure out how to do all those things (assuming you have an interest, something naysayers magically seem to forget) that is your problem.


/Speaking as one who has missed class while reading a book, watching tv, practicing an instrument, and playing video games, back in undergrad.
//Balance.


That's really the key. Balance. I know I couldn't find that when playing video games, I was easily addicted to them, but I have seen plenty of other friends get consumed by them too. So maybe I'm the one with the skewed view of them, regardless I still stand by elevating hobbies/ pursuits that have real world benefits. At least reading is an outlet for creative stimulation/ potentially learning (depending on the subject matter).
 
2011-10-06 10:45:35 AM

DaShredda: I love gaming.


I like making levels for games more than I like playing the games. Models, textures, sounds, music, maps ... and then seeing it all come together.
 
2011-10-06 10:45:47 AM

Uncle Tractor: FTFA: "This decline in founding virtues -- work, marriage, and religion"

Uh, of those three, only work is a virtue. I suspect many (most?) of the men who don't work, don't work because they can't find work.

As for marriage, that's an antiquated ritual that serves no purpose in today's world. If you find somebody you like, live together until you get tired of each other and then split up. No need to complicate things by getting stuck in a legal contract created for a time when single women couldn't support themselves.

Religion ... well, the world would be a better place without that BS "virtue."

Today, 18-to- 34-year-old men spend more time playing video games a day than 12-to- 17-year-old boys.

In what way is that worse than spending that time watching sports on TV or getting drunk?

IMO TFA can be summed up as "git offa mah lawn."


Serious, the Average senior spent no more than 8 hours a day at work. They have no business telling anyone what they do with their free time.
 
2011-10-06 10:46:54 AM

DaShredda: TheTeethoftheTiger: Take it from someone who has gone from gaming to trying to master actual real world skills and having real world achievements, the satisfaction one gets from maxing their character, or having an awesome round of COD, pales in comparison to learning an instrument, second language, or working on a car.

That's just your opinion.

I was in all Honor classes in high school. Graduated Cum Laude from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute.

I've made Flash animations, I've written songs, I've worked on SAP systems getting paid madd loot.

NONE of these things are as fun or as awesome as playing video games. If I didn't have to worry about money, I'd play World of WarCraft 24-7. That shiat is fun. So is Oblivion. Hell, I'd play Plants vs Zombies all day if I could.

Working sucks. That's how I feel. I try to write music, but I fail to see the point in it. I try to draw and make animations, but there is no reward. The work is the reward? That's bullshiat.

I love gaming.


Sounds like you need a new career. You're right, if you go to work everyday and see no point in what you accomplish then what is the point?
 
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