Do you have adblock enabled?
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(CNN)   Men are in decline because they play too many video games, don't get married, and aren't religious enough   ( cnn.com) divider line
    More: Stupid, secretary of education, social criticism, real dollars, too many men, role reversal, drill sergeants, working age, Claremont Institute  
•       •       •

13455 clicks; posted to Main » on 06 Oct 2011 at 4:30 AM (6 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



450 Comments     (+0 »)
 


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | » | Newest | Show all

 
2011-10-06 08:20:16 AM  

BreezyWheeze: alex10294: /Also applies to anti-vaccinators, anti-fluoridators, and dippy "toxin" cleansers.

I have to work very hard not to be judgmental. I'm an arrogant prick who tends to dismiss people quickly for being dumbasses. But despite my constant and vigilant efforts, there remains one immediate knee-jerk reaction that I don't think I'll ever be able to stamp out - as soon as someone says they "don't believe in vaccines" I immediately dismiss them as a vacuous idiot, and strain mightily against the sudden urge to punch them in the face.


You'd have to be a retard NOT to have that reaction when someone tells you they don't believe in a scientific tool with a very clear, simple and measurable cause and effect. It's like someone saying "I don't believe in anatomy!"
 
2011-10-06 08:20:17 AM  
Men? Men are weak. The race of Men is failing. The unemployment check is all but spent, its value and usefulness forgotten. It is because of men that only porn survives.

/too early
 
2011-10-06 08:20:37 AM  

jaylectricity: So what's wrong with having more women around for a little while? It's not like it's gonna be for eternity. Eventually there will be a demand for men and life will shift back the other way.

Seriously, some of you are freaking out for nothing.


Wanna know how I know you didn't read either the article or the posts that came before yours?
 
2011-10-06 08:24:14 AM  
Just can't win no matter what we do. You're either acting too male or not male enough. Maybe we should have articles about how women are not really women anymore because they don't make meals from scratch anymore....Yeah that would be unfair and insulting. But hey it males being targeted so fire away. Its socially acceptable

A lot of what happens to men is beyond their control these days. The fact that more woman are the bread-winners has to do with companies stripping away the traditional male jobs, or targeting those making more money or with more seniority. Unfortunately many women do not get paid as much as they should.

As for video games. I play them. I'm guessing the writer of the article never came within 20 miles of one. A lot of video games are like interactive movies these days... Its like watching TV, except a lot more interactive. Hardly kid stuff anymore IMO. ...I'm sure back when men were "real men" they must have had some kind of hobbies? Maybe when they were in the bar, or playing poker (real cardboard poker), or shooting pool.... someone was complaining about them not being man enough too. Real men, after-all don't have free-time.... Real men should be painting that hallway, doing yard work or driving the little lady around and waiting in the parking lot while she shops.... You know acting like we were like kings everybody say says we were.

Too many women have to be bread-winners now. Welcome to the club. How does it feel to have all the power supposedly... It sucks doesn't it?

We're all in the same boat now. Its so beyond male vs women. We all got played for fools in one way or the other.
 
2011-10-06 08:24:40 AM  
s3.amazonaws.comView Full Size
 
2011-10-06 08:25:38 AM  

Fizics: This article doesn't surprise me in the least, I had to meet my husband through an exclusive dating service that I paid quite well to weed out the losers that infest the dating scene. The more common services seemed to specialize in the type of "man" that seemed to excel in video games and being unemployed. I finally met my husband through the service, pricey but worth every dollar spent.


Wow, you sound like a complete twunt. I love how you put men into quotes like that. Like your definition of what a man should be is the end all, be all.

Funny how you had to use a dating service to find a husband. Looks not quite up to speed to find a guy on your own, sweetheart?
 
2011-10-06 08:26:51 AM  
In 1950, 5% of men at the prime working age were unemployed. As of last year, 20% were not working

Stopped reading here. Too much stupid.

Two data points do not make a trend. If, instead of 1950 and 2010, he had chosen 1976 and 2007, he could have made the opposite case.

Also, "unemployed" and "not working" do not mean the same thing; the 20% figure includes men who voluntarily chose not to work. So it's an apples-to-oranges comparison that exaggerates the truth. By that same measure, as of last year 30% of women were not working. Whereas actual unemployment was 9.6%.
 
2011-10-06 08:27:44 AM  

Sgt Otter: If playing video games with my girlfriend and sleeping in on Sunday morning is wrong, then I don't want to be right.


Ha! Sounds like something my boyfriend would write :)
 
2011-10-06 08:32:25 AM  

Doink_Boink: Geeze, I can't imagine why you're having trouble finding a "worthwhile woman."


It goes the other way too. The "women" in this article are looking for somebody to pay for a McMansion with twin SUVs and all the clothes, handbags and salon time they can consume.

In return for what? The days when pussy could pay for that are long gone.
 
2011-10-06 08:32:49 AM  

The Hammer Is My Penis: Women are less likely to get useful degrees, so it all balances out. Anything engineering? Sausage fest. Women's studies? English? Earth sciences? Something to do while hunting for a college educated husband.


When I went to college there were tons of hot chicks walking around, then i would go into my engineering class and out of 40 there was like 1 hot chick.

Now I work at MSU and see hot chicks walking around everywhere, then I go into the cyclotron building and still see them.. But then I go past the receptionist and past the health and safety types to where engineers are, then no more hot chicks ;(
 
2011-10-06 08:36:21 AM  

ShawnDoc: So there's no more glass ceiling? Women now make more then men do? CEO's of large corporations are now dominated by women? No? Then shut the fark up.


Go be stupid somewhere else.

Women, when other variables are accounted for make about what men make. The pay equity myth has been busted over and over.

Women, by and large, are not interested in being CEOs. Those women who do want to be CEOs are NOT being held back by anything. 20 years ago, maybe, but not today. Today it is only an individual woman's CHOICES that prevents her from rising to whatever level she wants.

Women, in general, are less likely to burn the midnight oil, they tend to take more days off, they don't work themselves to death and sometimes take months or years out of their careers to have and raise children. These are individual choices that WOMEN need to learn to accept each other making, and accept the results.

Is being a CEO really the height of achievement and measure of equality

Equality != Sameness.

No amount of equality will change the fact that women have uterusi.
 
2011-10-06 08:38:12 AM  
I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?"

When they meet one. they always dump him for the bad boy.
 
2011-10-06 08:38:58 AM  

Olympus Mons: You know acting like we were like kings everybody say says we were slaves.


I know that was your point, but FTFM.
 
2011-10-06 08:40:44 AM  
Each time a woman complains that she cannot find a worthwhile man, I always want to ask them : "so, what will YOU bring to the relationship?"
 
2011-10-06 08:41:01 AM  
So, where do you meet these men? I love video games, have no use for marriage, and am not religious at all, but would like companionship for the video game playing and hanging out in bars. Also sex.

Do I need to start looking in basement windows to find them?
 
2011-10-06 08:42:01 AM  

GalFriday: So, where do you meet these men? I love video games, have no use for marriage, and am not religious at all, but would like companionship for the video game playing and hanging out in bars. Also sex.

Do I need to start looking in basement windows to find them?


*sound of a million profile clicks*

Seriously, toots, it isn't that hard - as I am sure you well know.
 
2011-10-06 08:42:05 AM  

GalFriday: So, where do you meet these men?


fark.com
 
2011-10-06 08:43:10 AM  

BreezyWheeze: adamgreeney: After a while, even the best pussy gets boring. And then you're trapped. Terrible idea if your motivated by pussy.

I think it was Artie Lange who said, "You could be banging Supermodel Asian Triplets and even that would get dull after six months."

At a certain point it become pretty pathetic to be so mindlessly motivated by chasing pussy, though. Sure, its expected in your teens, accepted in your 20's and understandable in your 30's. But if you're a solidly middle-aged man (late thirties or older) who can't balance life's other rewards with mindless rutting, there's something kind of sad and undeveloped about you.


Cool, so it's totally acceptable to chase steady pussy at my age. I'll be progressing to "understandable" in a couple of years. And a decade after that, I might as well just kill myself, although I guess MNF might be an acceptable alternative as long Hank Jr. is dead by then.
 
2011-10-06 08:43:17 AM  

kingflower: The women that are usually asking "Where are the decent single men?", are the ones that think Brad Pitt and George Clooney are going to swoop in out of the blue and fight to the death over the privilege of sexing them up, impregnating them, and pampering them on a bed of freshly picked rose petals each and every night until they die. Good luck with that PRINCESS.


Also sounds like the type of girl who would make a big deal, in a negative way, about going on a blind date with a Magic The Gathering champion.
 
2011-10-06 08:44:51 AM  
What a stupid farking article.

Men of a certain age have seen the hollow promise of religion, the failed marriages of their parents, and that when it comes down to it they will be laid off from their job.

Why bother with any of that?
 
2011-10-06 08:46:25 AM  

mitEj: where do I sign up for a sugar mama ?

As someone who has been working since he was 13 I am fine with a woman making $ to.


Heh. Same here. Got my first summer job when I was 14 (had been babysitting for a year or two before that) and have had a job, whether I was in school or not, ever since. Longest unemployed stint was about 4 months a decade ago.

Having said that, if I'm going to have kids, I'd rather stay home and raise them. I'm old-fashioned enough to believe that children need a parent at home for the first dozen years or so. But I'm not so old-fashioned to think that it has to be the mother. In my case, I'm definitely the more attentive, patient and thoughtful person in the household. My girlfriend, although I love her to bits, would be a much worse Mommy than I would. So if we're having kids, I'm gonna pull a Mr. Mom.
 
2011-10-06 08:46:36 AM  

Yoyo:
Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?

It makes me a better man (than I would be otherwise) because I get a weekly reminder to be more charitable, less selfish, nicer to people around me, and a living example of my expectations of others. I often forget those things, because when I'm surrounded by idiots (which is quite often), I stoop to their level when I should take the high road and not resort to pettiness and laziness in retaliation.


You need a weekly reminder to not be an a-hole? May god have mercy on your soul. Maybe you need to go every day.
 
2011-10-06 08:47:55 AM  

Olympus Mons: Just can't win no matter what we do. You're either acting too male or not male enough. Maybe we should have articles about how women are not really women anymore because they don't make meals from scratch anymore....Yeah that would be unfair and insulting. But hey it males being targeted so fire away. Its socially acceptable

A lot of what happens to men is beyond their control these days. The fact that more woman are the bread-winners has to do with companies stripping away the traditional male jobs, or targeting those making more money or with more seniority. Unfortunately many women do not get paid as much as they should.

As for video games. I play them. I'm guessing the writer of the article never came within 20 miles of one. A lot of video games are like interactive movies these days... Its like watching TV, except a lot more interactive. Hardly kid stuff anymore IMO. ...I'm sure back when men were "real men" they must have had some kind of hobbies? Maybe when they were in the bar, or playing poker (real cardboard poker), or shooting pool.... someone was complaining about them not being man enough too. Real men, after-all don't have free-time.... Real men should be painting that hallway, doing yard work or driving the little lady around and waiting in the parking lot while she shops.... You know acting like we were like kings everybody say says we were.

Too many women have to be bread-winners now. Welcome to the club. How does it feel to have all the power supposedly... It sucks doesn't it?

We're all in the same boat now. Its so beyond male vs women. We all got played for fools in one way or the other.


who says? "the media"? who gives a feck.

wanna date sara palin types? work out get a pick up and be "manly"
wanna date goth girls? lose a ton of weight, pierce your nipples, get a tattoo or three and go for the androgynous "non manly" look.

both getcha the tang yer after, just depends what you gravitate towards and what gravitates towards you. both of things are about getting women to want to take off their clothes for you.

my dad is all obsessed with what it means to be "A Real Man". he grew up in the late 50s and to him, from what i can tell, the character "biff" from back to the future seems to sum it up nicely. well, yknow, if thats what you wanna be i guess...

for me, id say its pretty much however you define it to be, and what makes you happy with your appearance, body, and lifestyle.
 
2011-10-06 08:48:21 AM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark:

PUSSY! On a consistent basis.

Not for this married guy! :(

You married the wrong woman. It's no goddamn good, because the one's who fark to marry look pretty much the same as the ones who fark because they like to fark. It's only after the ring's on, kids spawned, house bought, etc. that you really find out which one you chose.

The first time I chose poorly. The second, much, much better.


Thanks for the advice. I definitely see that now.
I'm getting out of my first after 35 years and raising six great kids to adulthood.

I don't think there will ever be a second. Cheers!
 
2011-10-06 08:48:36 AM  
This guy's got all that covered.
img828.imageshack.usView Full Size
 
2011-10-06 08:48:47 AM  
SnarfAngel: //"Make me a sandwich" is sexist, but "Support me while I have babies" is not?

"Please make me a sammich" is not sexist if the woman (or the man) is staying home. "Support me while I have babies" is not sexist, because having babies is a job in and of itself. If you want to raise decent human beings - and you might as well raise decent ones if you're going to raise them at all - then someone, either the man or the woman, should make that their focus.

Of course, that is the ideal, where one person can support the other while s/he raises the children. But today's world is far from ideal. That's part of the problem, I think. Men today look around, as I've seen communicated here, and don't think getting into gear is worth it, because of the severe challenges involved, with apparently no guarantee of good outcomes.

/That's where religion comes in.
//God is watching us act, listening to us think and speak - from a distance and up close and personal, every single minute of the day - and you'll get what you give.
\\\To put it bluntly, if you give half-assed, you'll get half-assed, and that applies to every area of your life.
 
2011-10-06 08:49:42 AM  

EleventyOne: You guys have it all wrong. yes games are fun, yea women can ask too much. but a wife can also fill that vacant piece of your life that only she can fill. you cant just take everything they say as fact and never expect them to say what they really mean. it's not too hard to play her game if you think of her as standing there with an icon over her head wanting to give you a quest.


Fark Favorites... how do they work?

\ welcome
\\ Entertain Me.
 
2011-10-06 08:50:00 AM  

Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?


It doesn't, but chicks seem to like it. Church is a GREAT place to get women, especially if you have little in the way of a conscience.
 
2011-10-06 08:50:14 AM  

Fizics: This article doesn't surprise me in the least, I had to meet my husband through an exclusive dating service that I paid quite well to weed out the losers that infest the dating scene. The more common services seemed to specialize in the type of "man" that seemed to excel in video games and being unemployed. I finally met my husband through the service, pricey but worth every dollar spent.


Who wants to give her the "only common denominator" tip? I'd do it but I have stuff to do.
 
2011-10-06 08:50:29 AM  
img851.imageshack.usView Full Size
 
2011-10-06 08:50:34 AM  

manimal2878: What a stupid farking article.

Men of a certain age have seen the hollow promise of religion, the failed marriages of their parents, and that when it comes down to it they will be laid off from their job.

Why bother with any of that?


What still pisses me off is few of those men will interrupt friends and relatives who are trying to dissuade a younger man (18-28 or so) who has come to the same conclusion.

It wouldn't take much, just a few quick comments when no one is listening, if they aren't in to the whole conflict thing.

/Got very sick of hearing people trying to convince me I'd change my mind
//I didn't, farkers.
 
2011-10-06 08:51:55 AM  

enforcerpsu: Fizics: This article doesn't surprise me in the least, I had to meet my husband through an exclusive dating service that I paid quite well to weed out the losers that infest the dating scene. The more common services seemed to specialize in the type of "man" that seemed to excel in video games and being unemployed. I finally met my husband through the service, pricey but worth every dollar spent.

Who wants to give her the "only common denominator" tip? I'd do it but I have stuff to do.


gotta be at the gym in 26 minutes?
 
2011-10-06 08:53:31 AM  

omgwtfetc: At a certain point it become pretty pathetic to be so mindlessly motivated by chasing pussy, though. . . there's something kind of sad and undeveloped about you.

Cool, so it's totally acceptable to chase steady pussy at my age. I'll be progressing to "understandable" in a couple of years. And a decade after that, I might as well just kill myself, although I guess MNF might be an acceptable alternative as long Hank Jr. is dead by then.


There's a difference between wanting to get laid (or even chasing it) and being "mindlessly motivated" by it. I'm in my mid 30's. I want to f*ck every hot 20-something that walks by. I don't plan on that changing. But there's a difference between that being one of life's pursuits and those guys who seem to lose all rationality and judgment as soon as pussy comes into the picture (e.g. Andrew Weiner, Mark Foley, etc).

I'd also suggest that there's no need to kill yourself simply because I find you sad and undeveloped. By that metric, the entire roster for the Cubs should have killed themselves many times over.
 
2011-10-06 08:54:25 AM  
Good post from comments section:

Wait, so im not a real man because im not married and i play video games? Im sorry but this is offensive to me. Saying men arnt real men if they dont do certain traditional things is like saying women arnt real women if they arnt in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant.

OH. SNAP.

and yeah that 1950s vs 2010s statistic is such bs. The war literally killed off so many men that if you were even half way able bodied in 1950 you had a job in a jump-started, thriving industrial economy. But I'm sure that's just like today, somehow... Which is why 18-34 year-olds play more video games, they can't find work so what else are they gonna do?
 
2011-10-06 08:54:45 AM  
whatever on the religion and the marriage thing but in my experience more traditional hobbies like wood working or metal working or doing some work on your house is more fulfilling than playing video games.
 
2011-10-06 08:55:16 AM  
I'll just leave this here for all guys here with the Peter Pan syndrome:

The world is filled with boys who can shave. (new window)
 
2011-10-06 08:55:29 AM  

Father_Jack: enforcerpsu: Fizics: This article doesn't surprise me in the least, I had to meet my husband through an exclusive dating service that I paid quite well to weed out the losers that infest the dating scene. The more common services seemed to specialize in the type of "man" that seemed to excel in video games and being unemployed. I finally met my husband through the service, pricey but worth every dollar spent.

Who wants to give her the "only common denominator" tip? I'd do it but I have stuff to do.

gotta be at the gym in 26 minutes?


I meet the description of the "failed" man in the article and haven't been single for much longer than a couple months since age 18 or so.

In general, any woman complaining about an inability to find suitable men is either:

a: crazy
b: has standards too high
c: some combination of the above


Sympathy? farking none. You hold all the cards in the of sex, so if you can't manage to win with that hand, tough shiat.

/I'll continue to bluff my way to victory with a pair of 3's.
 
2011-10-06 08:55:59 AM  
I'm a good(ish...?) Christian guy, don't really play video games all the much, would like to settle down, have a decent education, solid work ethic and a stable job.

I'd like to settle down and get married some day, but the gf is dead set against it for some reason. Probably a case of "why buy the pig when you get the sausage for free." *shrug* I'll most likely be getting the boot soon enough. :)

(Hey, I said goodISH...)
 
2011-10-06 08:56:52 AM  

Headso: whatever on the religion and the marriage thing but in my experience more traditional hobbies like wood working or metal working or doing some work on your house is more fulfilling than playing video games.


Presumably you are enlightened enough to realize that tastes differ, though.
 
2011-10-06 08:59:55 AM  

ph0rk: Men of a certain age have seen the hollow promise of religion, the failed marriages of their parents, and that when it comes down to it they will be laid off from their job.

What still pisses me off is few of those men will interrupt friends and relatives who are trying to dissuade a younger man (18-28 or so) who has come to the same conclusion.

It wouldn't take much, just a few quick comments when no one is listening, if they aren't in to the whole conflict thing.


It's also entirely possible that a person was brought up in a stable, happy family where they saw the successful marriages of those around them, and would like to emulate them. Saw one or both of their parents working and understood that to support oneself means working. So they went out and got a job. Saw that their faith community brought people together and encouraged them to be better, and wanted to participate in that.
 
2011-10-06 09:00:42 AM  
In other words they want to have fun and don't want to be bothered?

Sounds good.
 
2011-10-06 09:00:43 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".

Women wanted equality, so let 'em have it. They can eat their slice of the shiat sandwich men have had all to themselves for years, and they can like it.


late to the thread, but...

/thread
 
2011-10-06 09:03:19 AM  

GalFriday: So, where do you meet these men? I love video games, have no use for marriage, and am not religious at all, but would like companionship for the video game playing and hanging out in bars. Also sex.

Do I need to start looking in basement windows to find them?


As suggested above, doubt you'd have many real problems getting men if you're into anything remotely nerdy. Depends what sort of videogame playing guy you're after. If you're after the socially astute male who just happens to play games, then you have the exact same problem as every other woman, which means the age old haunts and meat markets of doom. I would suggest looking online, but gamers en masse can be resistant to women in their group.

In all seriousness though, most guys in their 20s are gamers to some extent. And yes, some of them even live above ground. (Though they have decorated their rooms to look like basements)
 
2011-10-06 09:04:00 AM  
I'm married, I work 40 hours a week (at the paying job) and probably double that around the house and yard keeping our house going. My wife makes 3x what I do, and because she's basically developed a superiority complex, hasn't felt the need to get down and dirty (IYKWIM) for damn near a decade.

I say go back to the 50s, when all women valued their men and didn't treat them like man slaves.
 
2011-10-06 09:04:09 AM  

BreezyWheeze: ph0rk: Men of a certain age have seen the hollow promise of religion, the failed marriages of their parents, and that when it comes down to it they will be laid off from their job.

What still pisses me off is few of those men will interrupt friends and relatives who are trying to dissuade a younger man (18-28 or so) who has come to the same conclusion.

It wouldn't take much, just a few quick comments when no one is listening, if they aren't in to the whole conflict thing.

It's also entirely possible that a person was brought up in a stable, happy family where they saw the successful marriages of those around them, and would like to emulate them. Saw one or both of their parents working and understood that to support oneself means working. So they went out and got a job. Saw that their faith community brought people together and encouraged them to be better, and wanted to participate in that.


Okay, but that doesn't really address my point.
 
2011-10-06 09:04:13 AM  

BreezyWheeze: ph0rk: Men of a certain age have seen the hollow promise of religion, the failed marriages of their parents, and that when it comes down to it they will be laid off from their job.

What still pisses me off is few of those men will interrupt friends and relatives who are trying to dissuade a younger man (18-28 or so) who has come to the same conclusion.

It wouldn't take much, just a few quick comments when no one is listening, if they aren't in to the whole conflict thing.

It's also entirely possible that a person was brought up in a stable, happy family where they saw the successful marriages of those around them, and would like to emulate them. Saw one or both of their parents working and understood that to support oneself means working. So they went out and got a job. Saw that their faith community brought people together and encouraged them to be better, and wanted to participate in that.


i was raised with two parents and three other siblings. my parents were together until mom died back in 2000. they were very religious.

i got married and it didn't work out and completely eschewed religion. no idea where i'm going with this...
 
2011-10-06 09:04:32 AM  

alex10294: One of the funniest things I learned in my Psychiatry rotation is that "religion (etc)" has to be specifically excluded from the definition of delusional disorder. You know...cuz it's not OK to call religious people delusional in the DSM.

"according to the Diagnostic Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR).[1] It defines delusions as false beliefs based on incorrect inference about external reality that persist despite the evidence to the contrary and these beliefs are not ordinarily accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture."


If it gets you down from your high horse, homosexuality and transgendering had to be explicitly excluded, too.
 
2011-10-06 09:05:41 AM  

ph0rk: /I'll continue to bluff my way to victory with a pair of 3's.


Holy sh^t this might be my favorite line ever. It perfectly sums up my entire life - work, school, sex, family, everything.

"Bluffing my way to victory when I'm holding nothing better than a pair of 6's" is absolutely perfect.

Thank you :)
 
2011-10-06 09:05:55 AM  

BreezyWheeze:
Greymalkin: "A real human knows how to and could build the the house they live in and can make an intelligent educated attempt to fix any appliance inside it." If your Weeners to a broken washing machine is to call for help or buy a new one, you have failed the species.

That calls to mind the Heinlien quote about how how humans should be able to do a million different things.

Nice in theory, but I've gotta disagree in practice. I'm a huge fan of the fundamental tenet of civilization -- specialization of labor. I don't expect my doctor to be able to build his own house. I don't expect my contractor to be able to figure out what to prescribe for a rash.

I'm (mostly) a science teacher. I don't expect my barista to know how to explain the Fluid Mosaic Model of the cell membrane or Le Chatalier Equilibrium problems, and I would think my barista wouldn't expect me to know how to make the perfect latte.

I would suggest a different test for "failing the species" that doesn't hinge on mechanical engineering: "A real human continues learning throughout their whole life. If you hold any important opinions that you have not challenged, deepened, or explored critically within the past few years then you have failed the species."


This is the problem with short slogans they always need expansion :-)

I don't expect people to be experts in everything, but having basic knowledge in a broad variety of things is more important than specialisation. Taking the washing machine example, it is perfectly ok for someone to not be able to fix it themselves, but to have no idea what is even wrong or be able to give it a check over (power on, water flowing, no bolts fallen out, nothing jammed in it etc) before calling for help or replacement is terrible no matter what your field of expertise is.

For your example with the barista, he doesnt need to know about cell structure beyond why we dont fill up with water like a sponge when in the rain, and you can probably make yourself a basic coffee.

To my house example, I without a doubt know a professional builder could do a better job than me, and indeed paid a professional to build the house im in, but given enough time and the right tools I could do it myself. As a science teacher, I would say it is better than likely you could too, you probably just never thought about it because you didn't (and yes probably never will) need to.

Why I think this broad knowledge is more important than specialisation is because at several points in my life i have been stuck in situations where there was no-one else to rely on but myself and I was required to deal with situations outside my field of expertise. If you haven't well that is your good luck and I don't begrudge you that luck but I have learnt I cannot rely on it.

I would also disagree that civilisation is about specialisation; every day you use more tools, skills, knowledges etc than any caveman or animal ever did/does.
 
2011-10-06 09:07:34 AM  

pxlboy: BreezyWheeze: ph0rk: Men of a certain age have seen the hollow promise of religion, the failed marriages of their parents, and that when it comes down to it they will be laid off from their job.

What still pisses me off is few of those men will interrupt friends and relatives who are trying to dissuade a younger man (18-28 or so) who has come to the same conclusion.

It wouldn't take much, just a few quick comments when no one is listening, if they aren't in to the whole conflict thing.

It's also entirely possible that a person was brought up in a stable, happy family where they saw the successful marriages of those around them, and would like to emulate them. Saw one or both of their parents working and understood that to support oneself means working. So they went out and got a job. Saw that their faith community brought people together and encouraged them to be better, and wanted to participate in that.

i was raised with two parents and three other siblings. my parents were together until mom died back in 2000. they were very religious.

i got married and it didn't work out and completely eschewed religion. no idea where i'm going with this...


Presumably you weren't at the point of questioning marriage, religion, and so on in your early 20's. There are plenty of men that are, and their relatives all give them shiat for it, sometimes enough to coax them into some dipshiat marriage or congregation that just makes them angry and bitter by 40.

It would be nice if someone who's already walked that road (or the one sans-god and wife) could tell them that it's okay to ignore all their screeching relatives and do what they actually want with their lives.

/Blah blah get a job too of course
//But don't work too much.
 
Displayed 50 of 450 comments


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | » | Newest | Show all



This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking

On Twitter





Top Commented
Javascript is required to view headlines in widget.
  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report