dickfreckle: Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?

It's a socially accepted schizophrenic thing. You wouldn't understand.

One of the funniest things I learned in my Psychiatry rotation is that "religion (etc)" has to be specifically excluded from the definition of delusional disorder. You know...cuz it's not OK to call religious people delusional in the DSM.

"according to the Diagnostic Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR).[1] It defines delusions as false beliefs based on incorrect inference about external reality that persist despite the evidence to the contrary and these beliefs are not ordinarily accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture."

/Also applies to anti-vaccinators, anti-fluoridators, and dippy "toxin" cleansers.

Fuzzy Cheese: Now we have affirmative action, which is nothing more than accepted racism against white men.

That's not even remotely true.

The misunderstanding about what "affirmative action" means is staggering. And as pervasive as the non-problems that Billy Bennett is complaining about in the article.

bighairyguy: Women will always be dependent on men as long as there are spiders.

And flat tires.

omgwtfetc: gmoney101: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".


This! Marriage is nothing more than a contract that says your girlfriend gets half your shiat when you break up! There is nothing in marriage that is good for a man, so why the fark do it? As for god and all that shiat.. where do I start?

PUSSY! On a consistent basis.

Being controlled by a pussy is being controlled and being a pussy.

/fark it

If you don't believe the numbers, just ask young women about men today. You will find them talking about prolonged adolescence and men who refuse to grow up. I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?" There is a maturity deficit among men out there, and men are falling behind.

uhm, don't ask me. i'm 30, female and totally immature.

feminism: a bunch of self-absorbed female chauvinist pigs thinking they have the right to tell men AND women what is 'the right way to behave'.
guys, i understand you're more than fed up with their nonsense, but please realize these biatches are just as haughty, self-serving and unfair towards their fellow women.

I fit that definition of a declining man quite well.

Im not married. My girlfriend of 7 years doesn't care about that crap and neither do I, we can think of better things to spend 1000s of dollars on and the defacto laws in Australia mean we have the same legal rights as a married couple anyhow because we have been living together for 5 years.

I play too many computer games. Yep, 400+ games on Steam alone and its a toss up each week to whether I read or play games more in my lesuire time. The best bit about disposable income is I can spend it on whatever the hell I like and don't care about what some guy born in the 40s thinks.

I am not religious. Because when I was 12 I turned around to my parents and told them I didn't want to go to church anymore because I didn't believe in the invisible sky wizard, and in what is hands down the best moment of parenting they ever did they respected my decision and let me stay home whilst they went churching with my other siblings.

I have no degree. Yet I have been university educated (got bored with it) and now work in an executive role at a University. In the latest of constant and continuous employment in a range of jobs for the last 20 years which has me all but an easily managable mortgage debt free.

If my life is the "decline of man" well decline away cause I'm clearly a lot happier about it than that geriatric.

Though it could be a generational difference, after all my definition of (hu)manliness is as follows and doesnt have any of Bill's ideals.

"A real human knows how to and could build the the house they live in and can make an intelligent educated attempt to fix any appliance inside it."

/ If your Weeners to a broken washing machine is to call for help or buy a new one, you have failed the species.
// Human rather than man because if you use the bits between your legs to justify why you can or cannot do anything besides giving birth you also have failed the species.

Fizics: This article doesn't surprise me in the least, I had to meet my husband through an exclusive dating service that I paid quite well to weed out the losers that infest the dating scene. The more common services seemed to specialize in the type of "man" that seemed to excel in video games and being unemployed. I finally met my husband through the service, pricey but worth every dollar spent.

9/10

There's something slightly off, stylistically, but I can't quite put my finger on it. You should get a ton of bites.

Well done.

Aar1012: If you don't believe the numbers, just ask young women about men today. You will find them talking about prolonged adolescence and men who refuse to grow up. I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?"

Most women will ask that to the guy they friend zoned

Oh, I know.

Here's what I've learned about the friend zone: you can get out of it, but biatches ain't worth it. A lady will straight up tell you yes or no. But a biatch, she'll say maybe. And maybe means "Never gonna love you." so it's best to just move on and hope you never see her again.

Greymalkin:

/ If your Weeners to a broken washing machine is to call for help or buy a new one, you have failed the species.

DAMN YOU FARK FILTER!!

F I R S T - R E S P O N S E.

If you are weenering your washing machine you are also doing something wrong.

tallguywithglasseson: Snarfangel: I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?"

Lol, he wrote that?

The kind of women who keep asking this question usually have quite a lot more to do with their own relationship problems than they would like everyone to believe.


So you're saying they're like the dudes who ask why chicks date jerks, and why they won't date "nice guys" like themselves?

/hint: you're not that nice a guy.

alex10294: /Also applies to anti-vaccinators, anti-fluoridators, and dippy "toxin" cleansers.

I have to work very hard not to be judgmental. I'm an arrogant prick who tends to dismiss people quickly for being dumbasses. But despite my constant and vigilant efforts, there remains one immediate knee-jerk reaction that I don't think I'll ever be able to stamp out - as soon as someone says they "don't believe in vaccines" I immediately dismiss them as a vacuous idiot, and strain mightily against the sudden urge to punch them in the face.

Uncle Wiggly: tallguywithglasseson: Alternative title: Why Nobody Gives a shiat What Bill Bennett Thinks Anymore

succinct. He's another intellectually and morally bankrupt member of the Right, calling for sacrifice for everyone but himself and those he knows well. He is not worthy of a measured, coherent dialog because there is no reason to think he would listen. He is a silly old man straining to be relevant in a world that no longer trusts anything he says, where the only men listening to him are other silly old men. So, Bill: shush.

THIS. When I saw it was an article by Bennett, I closed the browser window.

If you give a shiat about 'manliness', you've already failed at life.

Snarfangel:
"I've heard too many young men asking, 'Where are the decent single women?

not in my bed

F*ck that noise.

/Church is for losers, marriage is for suckers, and video games are awesome.

As a one time young man who got married, quit playing video games, started going to church more and is now getting divorced I'm calling bullskeet on this "men today are to immature to be useful nonsense."

Aar1012: If you don't believe the numbers, just ask young women about men today. You will find them talking about prolonged adolescence and men who refuse to grow up. I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?"

Most women will ask that to the guy they friend zoned after he asked them out and they went back to their cheating ex.


/But but but confidence!

whoa that really happens? I don't feel like such an ass now.

BreezyWheeze:

I have to work very hard not to be judgmental. I'm an arrogant prick who tends to dismiss people quickly for being dumbasses. But despite my constant and vigilant efforts, there remains one immediate knee-jerk reaction that I don't think I'll ever be able to stamp out - as soon as someone says they "don't believe in vaccines" I immediately dismiss them as a vacuous idiot, and strain mightily against the sudden urge to punch them in the face.

Oh thank god I'm not alone. Though I add creationists to the list and I prefer to punch them.

doglover: Here's what I've learned about the friend zone: you can get out of it, but biatches ain't worth it. A lady will straight up tell you yes or no. But a biatch, she'll say maybe. And maybe means "Never gonna love you." so it's best to just move on and hope you never see her again.

No way. She shoots you down, make a point of being seen occasionally, in the company of younger or more attractive women. If she ever changes her mind, then you get to turn her down. Then wait a few weeks and say, "hey wanna go get lunch?" You'll be knocking booties before the day is over.

Greymalkin: "A real human knows how to and could build the the house they live in and can make an intelligent educated attempt to fix any appliance inside it." If your Weeners to a broken washing machine is to call for help or buy a new one, you have failed the species.

That calls to mind the Heinlien quote about how how humans should be able to do a million different things.

Nice in theory, but I've gotta disagree in practice. I'm a huge fan of the fundamental tenet of civilization -- specialization of labor. I don't expect my doctor to be able to build his own house. I don't expect my contractor to be able to figure out what to prescribe for a rash.

I'm (mostly) a science teacher. I don't expect my barista to know how to explain the Fluid Mosaic Model of the cell membrane or Le Chatalier Equilibrium problems, and I would think my barista wouldn't expect me to know how to make the perfect latte.

I would suggest a different test for "failing the species" that doesn't hinge on mechanical engineering: "A real human continues learning throughout their whole life. If you hold any important opinions that you have not challenged, deepened, or explored critically within the past few years then you have failed the species."

Fluorescent Testicle: What about videogame-playing, unmarried, non-religious women?

Where do they fit into his little narrative?

Yeah, I'd like to know. 36 year old, college degree holder, never been married, no kids, bowed out of church antics almost 10 years ago. All I want is someone to raid with. Strong stomach a must...I'm a nurse and I talk about work. Is that too much to ask??

/For the Horde!

So as I see it, the only thing that's really changed from the past until now is that, in the olden days, women wouldn't reward loutish, loser men with sex and attention, and nowadays, they do. So basically this is all women's fault. Men can't be blamed for doing what is natural and advantageous to them. If a woman wants to let you sit at home all day working on your "music career" while she's out earning your food and drug money, then she really has no right to complain about the situation. Men will only work as hard as they have to. If you don't provide them with an incentive to work, they won't.

Granted, Men (and women) really shouldn't have to work all that hard to have a decent life. You don't need to live in a castle and have 8 screen TV's. And women, I know you think you deserve a rich millionaire after spending 4 years on your Mrs. Communications Degree, but you'll probably be a lot happier with a poorer, pudgier man with a decent work ethic and an appreciation for the simpler things in life.

So women, stop having unrealistic expectations of men, and if you want them to meet your (realistic) expectations, then stop rewarding them for behavior which doesn't meet those expectations. If you're not willing to do this, then STFU about the quality of available men.

BreezyWheeze: No way. She shoots you down, make a point of being seen occasionally, in the company of younger or more attractive women. If she ever changes her mind, then you get to turn her down. Then wait a few weeks and say, "hey wanna go get lunch?" You'll be knocking booties before the day is over.

I did this. I got the girl. The sex was awesome. But, she never did it again. So I got friend zoned TWICE. Totally not worths its.

Just avoid the biatch, man. A classy lady is probably right down the street.

I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent rich single men?"

fixed for the author

Seth'n'Spectrum: If you give a shiat about 'manliness', you've already failed at life.

QFT

So yeah.... any you guys want to play some starcraft 2 later? My tag is "Secare 964"

headhurt: Yeah, I'd like to know. 36 33 year old, college degree holder, never been married, no kids, bowed out of church antics almost 10 17 years ago. All I want is someone to raid with. Strong stomach a must...I'm a nurse law student with a sick sense of humor and I talk about work. Is that too much to ask??

/For the Horde!

That's me.

Well, I bowed out of WoW about two years ago, but while there, Forsaken Priest and Belfadin who had "The Insane" title :)

debug: Part of the problem is that women have always been told to marry or date up, so as women get more educated and obtain better jobs, their pool of "acceptable" mates shrinks. They see no one as an acceptable match and then complain that all men are lazy and there are no good single men left. What they really mean is that there are no single men left that are good enough for me. They don't want to date or marry down, yet they still expect us to.

Ok, for all intents and purposes, I am "The Man." (That's right, I'm the one oppressing everybody.) I'm well educated, gainfully employed, own a house and 3 cars, white, heterosexual, voted almost a straight Republican ticket last time at the poles, and attend chruch weekly (even if I am one of those godless Catholics). I'm single, never married, no children. My household income is double the median (~$50k/yr), and my individual income is triple the male median (~$30k/yr). Now, my question is this, where are the worthwhile women? It's a two way street. In my age range and geographic area the vast majority of single women are uneducated with children or divorces. I expect a woman to bring something positive to the altar. If a woman wants me to provide for her and hers like it's 1960, then I expect her to do likewise. Maybe my standards are too high for this day and age, but it seems like women are living in dreamland too.


Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?

It makes me a better man (than I would be otherwise) because I get a weekly reminder to be more charitable, less selfish, nicer to people around me, and a living example of my expectations of others. I often forget those things, because when I'm surrounded by idiots (which is quite often), I stoop to their level when I should take the high road and not resort to pettiness and laziness in retaliation.

bighairyguy: Not necessarily. My mom was quite proud of the fact she could change a tire when she was 14. Her dad made that a condition of her getting a drivers licence, also at age 14.

Yeah I've made it clear to my girlfriend that if we have kids and she fails to produce a manchild for me, then I will still raise my daughter to be able to change a tire, calculate a slugging percentage, write in at least one programming language, and make fart-noises with her armpit.

omgwtfetc: gmoney101: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, because Marriage is such a good deal for men, and belief in an invisible sky wizard is the answer to everything.

This is what happens when men realize that the system is against them, and say "fark it".


This! Marriage is nothing more than a contract that says your girlfriend gets half your shiat when you break up! There is nothing in marriage that is good for a man, so why the fark do it? As for god and all that shiat.. where do I start?

PUSSY! On a consistent basis.

This is the argument of someone that couldn't get laid in high school.

After a while, even the best pussy gets boring. And then you're trapped. Terrible idea if your motivated by pussy.

3 out of 3

/declining

BreezyWheeze:
That's me.

Well, I bowed out of WoW about two years ago, but while there, Forsaken Priest and Belfadin who had "The Insane" title :)

Friend of mine has that title. Best I could come up with is Warlord and Server first 85.

Yoyo: Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?

It makes me a better man (than I would be otherwise) because I get a weekly reminder to be more charitable, less selfish, nicer to people around me, and a living example of my expectations of others.

One of the things the Catholics do right is tithing. Except the first 10% of your income shouldn't necessarily go to support the Catholic Church, it should go to a charity of your choice (I choose my local animal shelter and NPR affiliate). Doing this makes you think carefully about money, about what is and is not a worthwhile expenditure, and reminds you, every payday, to think about those who don't have the benefit of a regular paycheck.

While I may not agree with Catholics on a huge number of issues, the fundamentally progressive social mission they do (you know actually attempting to live out Jesus's command to care for the poor) always gets an appreciative nod from me.

Now if I could just convince these six old f*ckers down the street to stop picketing in front of the women's health clinic and spend their time at our local Catholic Charities soup kitchen instead, I'd be a happy camper.

this shiat gets on my nerves. saying men need to do certain things to be "men" is like saying women arnt being real women because they arnt in the kitchen making sandwiches. Yes, there are more and more single moms, but thats because women sleep with douche bags they meet at a bar 1 night and wonder why he doesnt wanna stick around and build a faimly when she calls saying "hey remember me?"

So basically he calls out all the liberals basement lurkers on fark?

Yoyo:

Zenith: why does believing in a great big sky fairy make you more of a man?

It makes me a better man (than I would be otherwise) because I get a weekly reminder to be more charitable, less selfish, nicer to people around me, and a living example of my expectations of others. I often forget those things, because when I'm surrounded by idiots (which is quite often), I stoop to their level when I should take the high road and not resort to pettiness and laziness in retaliation.

What if i don't need weekly guilt trips to remind me to be a good person and to help my fellow man? If you need church for that, you're a lost cause already.

adamgreeney: After a while, even the best pussy gets boring. And then you're trapped. Terrible idea if your motivated by pussy.

I think it was Artie Lange who said, "You could be banging Supermodel Asian Triplets and even that would get dull after six months."

At a certain point it become pretty pathetic to be so mindlessly motivated by chasing pussy, though. Sure, its expected in your teens, accepted in your 20's and understandable in your 30's. But if you're a solidly middle-aged man (late thirties or older) who can't balance life's other rewards with mindless rutting, there's something kind of sad and undeveloped about you.

You guys have it all wrong. yes games are fun, yea women can ask too much. but a wife can also fill that vacant piece of your life that only she can fill. you cant just take everything they say as fact and never expect them to say what they really mean. it's not too hard to play her game if you think of her as standing there with an icon over her head wanting to give you a quest.

ShawnDoc: "The End of Men," Hanna Rosin unearthed the unprecedented role reversal that is taking place today. "Man has been the dominant sex since, well, the dawn of mankind. But for the first time in human history, that is changing-and with shocking speed," writes Rosin. The changes in modern labor -- from backs to brains -- have catapulted women to the top of the work force, leaving men in their dust.

So there's no more glass ceiling? Women now make more then men do? CEO's of large corporations are now dominated by women? No? Then shut the fark up.


Well said. Another one from the playbook - invent a problem that isn't a: a problem or b: even real ... and the only answer to this problem is Jesus.

headhurt: Fluorescent Testicle: What about videogame-playing, unmarried, non-religious women?

Where do they fit into his little narrative?

Yeah, I'd like to know. 36 year old, college degree holder, never been married, no kids, bowed out of church antics almost 10 years ago. All I want is someone to raid with. Strong stomach a must...I'm a nurse and I talk about work. Is that too much to ask??

/For the Horde!

clytamnestra: If you don't believe the numbers, just ask young women about men today. You will find them talking about prolonged adolescence and men who refuse to grow up. I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?" There is a maturity deficit among men out there, and men are falling behind.

uhm, don't ask me. i'm 30, female and totally immature.

How yous doing?

/difficulty: must have an appreciation for fine arts

Men are in decline because they play too many video games, don't get married, and aren't religious enough

"In decline" sure is an odd way to misspell "awesome"

Yoyo: Ok, for all intents and purposes, I am "The Man." (That's right, I'm the one oppressing everybody.) I'm well educated, gainfully employed, own a house and 3 cars, white, heterosexual, voted almost a straight Republican ticket last time at the poles, and attend chruch weekly (even if I am one of those godless Catholics). I'm single, never married, no children. My household income is double the median (~$50k/yr), and my individual income is triple the male median (~$30k/yr). Now, my question is this, where are the worthwhile women? It's a two way street. In my age range and geographic area the vast majority of single women are uneducated with children or divorces. I expect a woman to bring something positive to the altar. If a woman wants me to provide for her and hers like it's 1960, then I expect her to do likewise. Maybe my standards are too high for this day and age, but it seems like women are living in dreamland too.


Geeze, I can't imagine why you're having trouble finding a "worthwhile woman."

I found that the women can't be trusted.
After years of failed relationships where I had taken on the appropriate amount of responsibility, the women acted like they wanted to remain teenagers and sleep around with the bad boys they always wanted. Enough of that crap. I gave up women. I have only recently found a religious home that I never expected or wanted, but it works for me.
The video games are great, and its nice to know that all my spare money is now my own.

Men have realized that women, children, and all that bullshiat aren't worth it, and try to enjoy life as much as they can until they die.

News at 11.

Good...women can go earn the money for once, guys can sit at home watching Oprah while eating bon-bons, then when a old high school flame looks him up, he can run off to his fairy tale land and take half HER money instead.