Seven Days Grace doesn't exist, but maybe that's the joke.

I don't think *anyone* is in the right here.

What a rebel. I bet his street cred just maxed out, yo.

Frankly, unless his behavior was physically threatening (and there's no mention of that, only swearing and general teen idleness), then the mother should've been booked for wasting police time.

Incidentally, teenfecta in play within the first 30 minutes and two posts of the day?

gweilo8888: Frankly, unless his behavior was physically threatening (and there's no mention of that, only swearing and general teen idleness), then the mother should've been booked for wasting police time.

He is an 18 year old adult who needs to man up, put on his pants, and help his mother who works 12 hours a day to house and feed his sorry ass.

Monkey Jesus always cleans his room sport,.....so you should too..before your mom sees it.

Bathia_Mapes: Sounds like he's a spoiled brat, but it also sounds like his mother is at least partially responsible for his behavior.

That looks about right.

Kudos to the mom for not enabling her freeloading ADULT, crybaby son.

Harry_Seldon: He is an 18 year old adult who needs to man up, put on his pants, and help his mother who works 12 hours a day to house and feed his sorry ass.

Yup.

poe_zlaw: Kudos to the mom for not enabling her freeloading ADULT, crybaby son.

Sorry, I have to disagree. I believe that ship has already sailed.

The time to train up your chirrens doesn't start at 18, folks. It ends at 18.

Harry_Seldon:
He is an 18 year old adult who needs to man up, put on his pants, and help his mother who works 12 hours a day to house and feed his sorry ass.

Agreed, but is this a matter for the police? Should we call the police to handle all our conflicts?

cmb53208: Harry_Seldon:
He is an 18 year old adult who needs to man up, put on his pants, and help his mother who works 12 hours a day to house and feed his sorry ass.

Agreed, but is this a matter for the police? Should we call the police to handle all our conflicts?

Not all need them..

My favorite part of the story is that the kid tried breaking out his GED in law on the cops.

FTFA:

"Perez threatened to speak to his lawyer and told police what they were doing was not right. As he was being escorted out of the house in handcuffs, however he asked police for a second chance and to be released, Blanc said."

I just imagine some douche-nozzle kid (who is actually a legal adult,) just milling around and assuming he has the right to do whatever he wants, then promptly getting his comeuppance, then feeling the harsh remorse of realizing that he actually has to be accountable.

Out of curiosity, for those blaming the mother for his behavior, isn't she clearly doing the right thing by busting her ass for twelve hours a day and not trying to burden the social welfare system? I mean, obviously we don't know the whole family story, but this sounds like the lack of a father figure bringing the smack-down on the juvenile sense of entitlement.

Harry_Seldon: gweilo8888: Frankly, unless his behavior was physically threatening (and there's no mention of that, only swearing and general teen idleness), then the mother should've been booked for wasting police time.
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He is an 18 year old adult who needs to man up, put on his pants, and help his mother who works 12 hours a day to house and feed his sorry ass.

And? If he's an 18 year old that she wants out of the house, she can tell him he's no longer welcome and have him arrested for trespassing. Unless he was making enough noise to disturb the public peace (which is unlikely), the cops were being sympathetic to the will of the mother while disregarding the law and his rights.

It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with someone when it comes to the fair and just enforcement of the law. There's no room for this sort of bullshiat. Inappropriate arrest is an abuse of police power. Charging him with a crime is the police using their legal authority as a blunt instrument in lieu of decent parenting, and it's despicable. This is true even if he is a lazy, shiat-eating little pussy who should get a job or get the fark out.

Bathia_Mapes: Sounds like he's a spoiled brat, but it also sounds like his mother is at least partially responsible for his behavior.

She needs to beat that kid, but she can't start now she shoulda started doin' it 10 years ago.

/dumb broad
//close your f*ckin' legs next time

mchaboud: Harry_Seldon: gweilo8888: Frankly, unless his behavior was physically threatening (and there's no mention of that, only swearing and general teen idleness), then the mother should've been booked for wasting police time.
----
He is an 18 year old adult who needs to man up, put on his pants, and help his mother who works 12 hours a day to house and feed his sorry ass.

And? If he's an 18 year old that she wants out of the house, she can tell him he's no longer welcome and have him arrested for trespassing. Unless he was making enough noise to disturb the public peace (which is unlikely), the cops were being sympathetic to the will of the mother while disregarding the law and his rights.

It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with someone when it comes to the fair and just enforcement of the law. There's no room for this sort of bullshiat. Inappropriate arrest is an abuse of police power. Charging him with a crime is the police using their legal authority as a blunt instrument in lieu of decent parenting, and it's despicable. This is true even if he is a lazy, shiat-eating little pussy who should get a job or get the fark out.

She said she felt endangered by him. Seems like an adequate reason to call the cops. Speculation as to whether or not she was being untruthful should remain among those involved in the incident - if someone feels threatened, they have every right to call the police.

cmb53208: Harry_Seldon:
He is an 18 year old adult who needs to man up, put on his pants, and help his mother who works 12 hours a day to house and feed his sorry ass.

Agreed, but is this a matter for the police? Should we call the police to handle all our conflicts?

In some states, the police are *required* to make an arrest if certain allegations are made in disputes. Please, please, please, do not call the police unless you believe that a crime a) has been committed, b) is being committed, or c) is about to be committed.

Harry_Seldon: gweilo8888: Frankly, unless his behavior was physically threatening (and there's no mention of that, only swearing and general teen idleness), then the mother should've been booked for wasting police time.

He is an 18 year old adult who needs to man up, put on his pants, and help his mother who works 12 hours a day to house and feed his sorry ass.

And how does that change the fact that his mother needs to learn basic parenting, rather than relying on the cops to do it for her?

He's 18. He has a choice. Abide by her rules, or get out. The cops are not required to be present for her to make that clear.

He just wanted some meatloaf for his friends!

mchaboud: Harry_Seldon: gweilo8888: Frankly, unless his behavior was physically threatening (and there's no mention of that, only swearing and general teen idleness), then the mother should've been booked for wasting police time.
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He is an 18 year old adult who needs to man up, put on his pants, and help his mother who works 12 hours a day to house and feed his sorry ass.

And? If he's an 18 year old that she wants out of the house, she can tell him he's no longer welcome and have him arrested for trespassing. Unless he was making enough noise to disturb the public peace (which is unlikely), the cops were being sympathetic to the will of the mother while disregarding the law and his rights.

I believe you still need to serve a 30 day eviction notice in these circumstances. Although no written contract was drawn up, an agreement for tenancy was essentially reached when the parent allowed the child to live there for an extended period of time.

A different deadbeat child issue from Connecticut (new window)

mchaboud: It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with someone when it comes to the fair and just enforcement of the law. There's no room for this sort of bullshiat. Inappropriate arrest is an abuse of police power. Charging him with a crime is the police using their legal authority as a blunt instrument in lieu of decent parenting, and it's despicable. This is true even if he is a lazy, shiat-eating little pussy who should get a job or get the fark out.

Um, this, although while keeping this

A Wild Snorlax: She said she felt endangered by him

in mind, I suppose.

IIRC, if someone has come to expect residency in your house (long term girlfriend or boyfriend, your son or daughter) you have to give them appropriate warning time before kicking them out to the curb just as a landlord would when evicting someone. But I could be mistaken.

In any case, on first glance this seems like the last act of a desperate woman. Who should've had a few acts before it came to this but meh.

Never heard of Stamford before, but judging by the other headlines on the page, it sounds like a helluva town:

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A Wild Snorlax:
She said she felt endangered by him. Seems like an adequate reason to call the cops. Speculation as to whether or not she was being untruthful should remain among those involved in the incident - if someone feels threatened, they have every right to call the police.

Given that the police were there (and probably displeased with the kid for not following their orders to talk with his mom), I suspect that they were looking for any reason to just bust the kid to teach him a lesson. I know my share of cops. Some of them have kids, and some of them would *love* to bust their own kids some of the time. If there was no evidence of violence or the threat of violence, and the mother merely said she "felt endangered," then there is no reason under CT statutes to bust the kid. If being a dick were illegal, our streets would be empty and.. well, okay, our jails are actually already full.


When I was a teen, my family went to counselling because we argued (not fought, just argued) a fair amount. Our family counselor instructed my parents to call the police to end arguments, even non-heated ones, if they weren't getting the resolution they wanted. Turns out that there was a state law requiring arrest in domestic disturbance calls. Only after creating a huge legal mess did the psychologist/counselor who suggested this admit that he didn't know about that law and apologize to my parents.

The cops are there to enforce the law and keep the public. They are not a rolled-up-newspaper for angry parents. It may be tiring, but try resolving your conflicts without calling in the heavies. If you can't live with and can't effectively punish your adult child, try tossing him out of the nest.

bighasbeen:
I believe you still need to serve a 30 day eviction notice in these circumstances. Although no written contract was drawn up, an agreement for tenancy was essentially reached when the parent allowed the child to live there for an extended period of time.


Oh, absolutely. You can't just decide in the night to toss someone out and enforce it immediately. She'd need to notify him, and 30 days is pretty standard (I think it's 28 in some areas). If he does legitimate damage to property in that time, she could have reason to call the police, but merely being messy? Unlikely.

In short, I think the mom likely sobbed to the cops and got them to do something they really shouldn't have. In the mean time, the kid, who, frankly, is still a kid at 18, was probably freaked out and confused by the inappropriate use of power. He likely yelled down from his room a few times and got hauled off by hair trigger frustration.

Bad news all around.

WTF is Seven Days Grace?

mchaboud: A Wild Snorlax:
She said she felt endangered by him. Seems like an adequate reason to call the cops. Speculation as to whether or not she was being untruthful should remain among those involved in the incident - if someone feels threatened, they have every right to call the police.

Given that the police were there (and probably displeased with the kid for not following their orders to talk with his mom), I suspect that they were looking for any reason to just bust the kid to teach him a lesson. I know my share of cops. Some of them have kids, and some of them would *love* to bust their own kids some of the time. If there was no evidence of violence or the threat of violence, and the mother merely said she "felt endangered," then there is no reason under CT statutes to bust the kid. If being a dick were illegal, our streets would be empty and.. well, okay, our jails are actually already full.


When I was a teen, my family went to counselling because we argued (not fought, just argued) a fair amount. Our family counselor instructed my parents to call the police to end arguments, even non-heated ones, if they weren't getting the resolution they wanted. Turns out that there was a state law requiring arrest in domestic disturbance calls. Only after creating a huge legal mess did the psychologist/counselor who suggested this admit that he didn't know about that law and apologize to my parents.

The cops are there to enforce the law and keep the public. They are not a rolled-up-newspaper for angry parents. It may be tiring, but try resolving your conflicts without calling in the heavies. If you can't live with and can't effectively punish your adult child, try tossing him out of the nest.

This all may be true, but it's still speculatory at best, and you have conveniently forgotten to address the point that if he really was a potential threat (and it is impossible to glean from the article), then kicking him out would have been foolish and potentially disastrous.

mchaboud: bighasbeen:
I believe you still need to serve a 30 day eviction notice in these circumstances. Although no written contract was drawn up, an agreement for tenancy was essentially reached when the parent allowed the child to live there for an extended period of time.


Oh, absolutely. You can't just decide in the night to toss someone out and enforce it immediately. She'd need to notify him, and 30 days is pretty standard (I think it's 28 in some areas). If he does legitimate damage to property in that time, she could have reason to call the police, but merely being messy? Unlikely.

In short, I think the mom likely sobbed to the cops and got them to do something they really shouldn't have. In the mean time, the kid, who, frankly, is still a kid at 18, was probably freaked out and confused by the inappropriate use of power. He likely yelled down from his room a few times and got hauled off by hair trigger frustration.

Bad news all around.

I think she was probably hoping the cops would catch him with some dope and take him down to be scared straight. What mom didn't count on was that her kid is a broke, scavenger smoker loser and all the cops caught him doing was jacking it. And if jacking it is illegal, lock us all up.

gweilo8888: Harry_Seldon: gweilo8888: Frankly, unless his behavior was physically threatening (and there's no mention of that, only swearing and general teen idleness), then the mother should've been booked for wasting police time.

He is an 18 year old adult who needs to man up, put on his pants, and help his mother who works 12 hours a day to house and feed his sorry ass.

And how does that change the fact that his mother needs to learn basic parenting, rather than relying on the cops to do it for her?

He's 18. He has a choice. Abide by her rules, or get out. The cops are not required to be present for her to make that clear.

As mentioned before, in TFA it says she was afraid of her son and he was hostile toward her in front of the police. Should the police have left while she tried to toss him out on her own and returned once the son had smacked her around some? Not knowing the relative sizes of the two its difficult to say whether or not the police were needed. But from his actions there's a good chance he might be a bit physically intimidating to her.

Maybe the police who were there have a better grasp of the situation than you, who got your information from an article based on information the author received from the department's Public Information Officer, who got his information from a police report.

/information

We ended up having to call the police on our neighbours' 19 year old kid, a massive, sullen steroidal hulk who would pace around the backyard, yelling on his cell, fighting with his girlfriend and blasting terrible top 40 music. Yeah, he annoyed us, but the day his girlfriend crawled out of a window and he dragged her back into the house, it was time to dial 911.

We felt pretty bad because we like our neighbours, but they said they were glad we called the cops on him. They then went on to call the cops on him once more before kicking him out for good.

/they're not speaking to us now because we asked them to keep their cat from spraying our doorstep

The spin on this article is obvious.
FTA: "Perez threatened to speak to his lawyer"

Regardless of any circumstances, speaking to a lawyer IS NOT A THREAT, it's a RIGHT.
PERIOD.

I wonder if the ADULT has enough sense to actually talk to a lawyer.
Sounds like a major suit in the works, I hope there's a follow-up.
I'm pretty sure if the kid stayed under the covers and shut up and the cops extracted him, this would be a HUGE lawsuit. Too bad the kid has no idea.

Get out. And take this temporary restraining order with you.

Sounds like Stamford can save some money by laying off police officers who are so starved for crime that they have time to meddle in nonviolent domestic annoyances.

That's 4 too many day graces...

/i hate everything about tfa

mchaboud: Turns out that there was a state law requiring arrest in domestic disturbance calls.

I can't see how that's legally acceptable given the presumption of innocence case law at the federal level.

Oh, Three Days Grace. Ensuring that Canadians have to apologize for their musical exports in the case Nickelback breaks up.

He's 18.
He's in his underwear.
Therefore the question can and must be posed, which will help resolve several other issues in this thread (as it does in the teacher threads):

IS HE HOT?

Attention, media:
Stop calling 18, 19, and especially 20 year-olds "teenagers".
Just because the number ends in "teen"... a 19 year-old is quite different than a 13 year-old.
15 = teenager
18+ = adult

I feel bad for the mom, but how is it even legal for the police to arrest him for yelling/being upset in his own damn house? Yeah, he lives with his mom, but he's 18 and until his mom files the paperwork to have him kicked out, he's still a "tenant".

He sounds like a douche, but this also sounds like a waste of tax payer money as well as unconstitutional.

Robert1966: Sounds like Stamford can save some money by laying off police officers who are so starved for crime that they have time to meddle in nonviolent domestic annoyances.

So you are in favor of adult children sponging off their mother, being an ass about it, and totally disrespecting her?

Begoggle: Attention, media:
Stop calling 18, 19, and especially 20 year-olds "teenagers".
Just because the number ends in "teen"... a 19 year-old is quite different than a 13 year-old.
15 = teenager
18+ = adult

Because you hold a definition that differs from the dictionary definition, does not make it correct. The terms preadolescent, adolescent and adult are less numerically defined, unlike teenager.