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2003-09-24 11:28:41 PM
Confabulat

Don't get me wrong... Canada is not perfect either. We complain about our government just like Americans do, we don't always agree with the powers-that-be, but we don't usually take it outside and openly bash to death our political parties for all the world to see. Maybe that's the problem with the States. I'm starting to think of America as an attention-whore country, always in everybody's face and wanting more!
 
2003-09-24 11:29:11 PM
robotninja
If your standard is verbal acuity then you may have a point but he has accomplished just about everything he has set out to do. He is continually underestimated. Stuff like the Two tax cuts, the patriot act, homeland security, and many other things were success for him. They were also voted yes on by a majority of democrats. Then look at the mid-term election landslide. If he is stupid the what does that make the democrats who cannot beat him?
 
2003-09-24 11:30:17 PM
Democrats have their own message boards? Isn't that redundant? I thought they already had every message board on the Internet.

That guy's original post made my skin crawl. I can just imagine the wild gleam in his eye. Think "Triumph of the Will," or those TV ads for comtemporary Christian music CDs.
 
2003-09-24 11:31:49 PM
Jill Billy is absolutely correct.

Here're are some warning signs that a person involved in a political discussion/flamefest might be a party-line-toeing moron, people:

- He or she uses the terms "conservative" or "liberal" or any slang-mutation of either of these terms as an insult or a compliment.
- He or she uses the terms "Republican" or "Democrat" or any slang-mutation of either of these terms as an insult or a compliment.
- He or she uses some other term for a person's political alignment as an insult or a compliment.

Think for yourselves. Don't let some political party think and make all your decisions for you.
 
2003-09-24 11:33:23 PM
MagnificentBastardRL

I've always thought that about Ann Coulter. She seems to have a look on her face like even she doesn't believe what she's saying.

You know, I was thinking the same thing. Doesn't it seem like she keeps coming up with more over-the-top stuff just to see if it will sell more books?

I, mean seriously. McCarthyism was a good idea? Does anyone believe that?

Next I expect her to dress like a man and then announce she will be marrying herself.
 
2003-09-24 11:33:34 PM
Jill Billy
A good point. We are kinda brash and more than willing to mix it up whether good or bad. It is our style. It is probably why many people are turned off by america (especially europe) but it is also why we get results and are willing to try where other people will not. A plus and a negative.
 
2003-09-24 11:34:07 PM
What's stupid is any and all pandering lies politicians tell to get elected. Sorry to let you down Dems, but when the economy turns around in the next 6 months the average voting american will have a happy life. And thus re-electing the current politicians and not caring one bit about what they do in Washington.
And from robotninja's post, I can already tell that when Bush is re-elected the left is going to cry foul at any expense to the nation.
 
2003-09-24 11:36:50 PM
rrtt22

He was also successful at cutting veteran's benefits, as I mentioned several times above.

Yet the flag-waving, "support your troops" fools still rally around this jackass who doesn't think twice about the hundreds of Americans who have died in support of his ridiculous war. And when they come home, what do you know, he's killed their medical benefits.

My dad was a Nam vet, and he was pretty scarred by the way his government jerked him around.

Bush is just as bad, if not worse.

Yet he wraps himself in the flag, shrieks "Remember 9/11!", and the dittoheads cry and pledge allegience.

Pathetic.
 
2003-09-24 11:37:09 PM
Someone mentioned McCain. From what I can tell, he was too intelligent to fill the post this time around. The Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfe party needed a low-thinking idiot this time, and McCain would never have fit into the plans. In George Bush, they got the perfect puppet. And that is sad. Maybe the first President of the United (?) States who can be controlled. Well anyway good luck on reversing this trend of control. I just wish it didn't effect the rest of the world, but unfortunately it does.
 
2003-09-24 11:39:10 PM
The very fact that we're framing our entire discussion around Dem vs. Rep shows that we're ALL a bunch of f*cking sheep.
 
2003-09-24 11:41:42 PM
Confabulat
Dont get me wrong. I by far do not agree with everything he does. That post I was stating that he was not stupid and he clearly is not. I do however think he is much better than the alternative.
 
2003-09-24 11:44:03 PM
Insert mandatory GEAH reference here


What you say? GEAH was banned?
 
2003-09-24 11:45:48 PM
rrtt22

Fair enough.

But I still am not sure what the alternative is. We'll be finding out in the next 15 months, I'm sure.
 
2003-09-24 11:53:16 PM
Stuff like the Two tax cuts,

Mostly for the rich. After more or less letting a bunch of rich corporate thieves and liars (his buddies, in other words) off the hook for screwing over/stealing from millions of middle-class investors and smaller businesses.

Personally, I wish there was less focus on Bush's dimwitted Iraq/9-11 related blunders and more on the corporate fraud stuff that just kind of magically disappeared as soon as he had wars to distract everyone with. Call me crazy, but I think the Enron/Worldcom/Microsoft/insertcriminalcorporationhere executives have yet to have all their assets seized and their asses tossed in medium-security, no-perks tent prisons in the middle of the desert where the meals are water and baloney sandwiches 365 days a year and there's no television/smoking/radio/etc. These crooks live better than our soldiers, and that's just plain wrong.

the patriot act, homeland security,

Yeah. Bringing 1984 one step closer to reality. A resounding success, all right. *golf applause*

and many other things were success for him.

Unlike the oil companies/baseball teams/and many other things his dad gave hime that, er... didn't fare quite so well. I'll let Family Guy once again do the explaining for that:

*cue "America the Beautiful"*

"Did George W. Bush quit after losin' the popular vote? NO! Did he quit after losing millions of dollars of his fathers' friends' money in failed oil companies? NO! Did he quit after getting that DUI? NO! Did he quit after he knocked that girl up? NO! Did he quit after getting arrested for drunk and disorderly conduct at a football game? NO! Did he quit--"

They were also voted yes on by a majority of democrats. Then look at the mid-term election landslide. If he is stupid the what does that make the democrats who cannot beat him?

Creeps and liars on an order of magnitude high enough to counterbalance Bush's less-than-stellar mental prowess, maybe? (Note, by the way, an attack on Bush is not necessarily an attack on all Republicans, including those in Congress, which I already stated... but apparently, you need a reminder.)

There's probably a lot more to it than that, to tell you the truth. You forget that while a person may be smart, people are stupid. Welcome to one of democracy's chief problems.
 
2003-09-24 11:54:44 PM
Elysium26
What's stupid is any and all pandering lies politicians tell to get elected. Sorry to let you down Dems, but when the economy turns around in the next 6 months the average voting american will have a happy life. And thus re-electing the current politicians and not caring one bit about what they do in Washington.
And from robotninja's post, I can already tell that when Bush is re-elected the left is going to cry foul at any expense to the nation.


Here we go again. The "left" is just going to be hysterical. Does it occur to you, Elysium or even cross your mind that your current leadership is undermining your efforts at a happy life? That maybe there is more to their plans than making everything good for the average American? I think you should do some research. Your country is in the hands of flaming religious war-mongers - not one of their actions so far has helped the average American to attain a happy life. The Bush administration is stomping on myriad countries and communities. Did you read the latest on how the administration's take on abortion has managed to wipe out a few thousand clinics in third-world nations? If there is any opposition to birth control or abortion, then the religious US government will cut them off? Yes I know what you are going to say -- "they don't deserve or merit our aid". Well okay, but then stop offering it. Leave the rest of the world alone to cope without the preaching and empty offers of support. Just for once, stick to yourselves and strive for that happy life that will be guaranteed in six months or so.
 
2003-09-24 11:58:51 PM
I can already tell that when Bush is re-elected the left is going to cry foul at any expense to the nation.

Sort of like how the right spent millions of taxpayer dollars investigating a BLOW JOB???
 
2003-09-25 12:06:07 AM
I'm just thinking I'd like to try some of whatever drugs Elysium26 is having... seems to be making him have some very happy, happy delusions....
 
2003-09-25 12:07:33 AM
MyrnaMinkoff

At the time the pic of Rummy was taken Saddam was busy killing Iranians.

Confabulat

The plywood shortage is real. Some retailers are having problems re-stocking and prices have gone up. An article about it was posted on Fark a few days back. The reason why I mentioned the military's purchase (1/10th of 1%) is because leftists are already trying to pin it on Bush -- "Can't find plywood? It's Bush's fault. Can't fix your school? It's Bush's fault". BTW, from what you have written, you don't sound very conservative at all and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if you fall for this line of bullshiat.

As for the French, I probably should have included Chirac in the equation. He's quite corrupt and up to his elbows with Fina, France's "big oil" and a major purchaser of pre-war Iraqi oil. Fina is in court right now over a huge corruption scandal.

And not all French hate us, either. I remember seeing a French protest against Chirac about the time the war started. The WSJ had a great pic of some French hottie at the protest holding a sign reading "Chirac is a worm". So not even all of France, let alone "the world" hates us. Leftists around the world do. And I can't make it any clearer than that. If you still don't understand I suggest some reading comprehension classes.

As for the "bleeding heart" comment -- that was just plain stupid. From reading the press you'd think the overwhelming majority of Iraqis hate us. I was just pointing out that that is not the case. Does it dissapoint you that they don't all hate us? It sure sounds like it does.

As for the WMDs, Iraq had years to comply with UN agreements to prove he had none. The chose not to. The Blix/weapons inspectors circle-jerk was nothing more than a fool's parade. If the war hadn't happened they would still be driving madly around Iraq and there still wouldn't be any proof that Saddam had destroyed all of his WMDs. Bush knew that if he had them (and everybody thought he had them) the US would be a prime target. Bush said he would not let the threat become imminent and he kept his word on it. Bush also said he was going to remove an evil dictator and provide for the people of Iraq the opportunity for a democratic government. And he's keeping to that promise. Bush laid out these reasons before the war quite clearly and hasn't changed them every week. If he was wrong about the WMDs he was wrong, but all the Iraqis had to do was prove they had destroyed all of their WMDs. They didn't, all they did was yank the world's chain. Bush wasn't going to let that go on indefinitely, which it would have if the UN had had its way. He judged the possible threat too great.

You can fault Bush's judgement -- that it wasn't prudent to leave Saddam in power with the high probability he had WMDs -- if you wish. But the rest of your comments are nothing more than brain-dead leftist quips. And that's really about the best any of you on the the left can do.
 
2003-09-25 12:08:13 AM
oh and I must add, it is very difficult to accept the self-righteousness of a country that condones handing over its airwaves to run programs like "COPS" and "Big Brother" and "So You Want a Millionaire" and "Temptation Island". The hypocrisy is amazing and saddening.

I won't even get into the absolute weight of the average American citizen. Please please just wake up someday and stop counting on the turn-around of the future. You are NOT blessed with better times ahead. With the rate that things are going, you are doomed to a hell of a lot of misery.
 
2003-09-25 12:08:23 AM
hey RobDownSouth, what exactly makes Clark the "Real Deal?"

he hasn't stated a single position that I have heard yet
until last week he couldn't say what party he belonged to
BUT, he would have been a republican if Karl Rove had asked him
he's already been caught in a lie
he almost started WWIV by ordering an attack on Russian soldiers
General Shelton told an audience discussing 9/11 and it's aftermath that Clark was brought back early from Europe because of integrity issues

yeah, he's the real deal alright.
 
2003-09-25 12:13:41 AM
Jill Billy & Confabulat I'd love to play, but the Simpsons are on right now, and that makes me happy. Homer eats the Guatemalan Chili peppers - classic.
 
2003-09-25 12:16:11 AM
Tinian

You must listen to Limbaugh.

Conservatism is about personal freedom, individualism, less government.

Bush is about empire-building. That's not conservatism.

Your arguments are pretty weak. Saying that UN inspectors would still be driving around looking for WMDs...well duh. THERE AREN'T ANY.

Maybe about 300 Americans would still be alive if those UN inspectors were still driving around, huh?

Is that a liberal comment? Because to me, it's just the comment of a guy whose dad was sent off to VietNam by the same sort of jackasses that are in power now. They don't support the troops, they KILL the troops.

And as far as "brain-dead leftist quips" go, tell me where I'm wrong exactly.

Because you can't. Because let's face it, this war was a lie from day one.
 
2003-09-25 12:16:31 AM
Look past the words. Using a naughty word is not sinking to Limbaugh's level, mmkay? There ya's goes.
 
2003-09-25 12:17:56 AM
rrtt22

General Fark has just announced a "$100 billion ecomomic plan to create jobs". Sort of like the Peanut Farmer's dismal CETA program.

Kerry says "I see your $100 billion and raise you $100 billion". Dean says "I see that and raise $200 billion".

The tax and spend auction has just begun.
 
2003-09-25 12:18:22 AM
Scanning through all these comments, I'd have to say YOU'RE ALL FULL OF shiat!

Go to bed now.
 
2003-09-25 12:18:28 AM
Robotninja
The tax cuts for the rich is a bad argument.

How do you boost the economy? Tax cut of course.
What is considered rich? A family earning around $50,000 per year. A family that makes $30,000 or below do not pay federal taxes. The top ten percent pay something like 50% of the taxes for the nation. To create jobs you have to have capitol(money) to do it. The people who have money start businesses and hire a bunch of people who then can feed their families and get their own capitol. It is called capitalism and it works better than any other type of economy.
Are their examples of abuse? Of course, but income redistribution is not the answer. What is income redistribution you ask. It is taking away from societies most successful and giving it to the least successful. While necessary you should not base your entire economy on this. Just look at California.

You forget that while a person may be smart, people are stupid. Welcome to one of democracy's chief problems.

You are absolutely right. Which is why the dumbing down of education is so bad. It produces sheep.
Another reason I like Bush.
 
daz
2003-09-25 12:19:28 AM
Hrm, ok guys, let's keep our head in the game...

Radio Talk Show Host/Entertainer possibly or possibly not lying or being wrong

VS.

Former head of NATO command in the Bosnia Campaign and running for President of the United States and leader of the free world possibly or possibly not lying or being wrong.

The Wesley Clark "White house called me and told me to blame 9/11 on Iraq" is well document. I mean, geez, it was ON MEET THE PRESS and Tim Russert asked him about it!

Also, the Carl Rove thing is well documented and in the major press.

These aren't things that Rush just made up. Clark said these things. He's looney and if you Democrats are basing your hopes on him, I have bad news for you.
 
2003-09-25 12:21:31 AM
That post I was stating that he was not stupid and he clearly is not.

What part of "No, you're completely wrong," don't you understand? Present some evidence that at least suggests Bush has the intelligence becoming of a good political officer, or kindly shut up, mmkay?

This isn't just a case of being a bad public speaker. Sorry,
 
2003-09-25 12:22:22 AM
. If he was wrong about the WMDs he was wrong, but all the Iraqis had to do was prove they had destroyed all of their WMDs.

As I recall, Saddam told Dan Rather that he had no WMDs, and asked anyone to see if they could find any. He opened the country up for UN inspection. He said he had nothing to hide, and it appears he wasn't lying.

So how were they supposed to prove it exactly? Saddam may have been a jackass, but he did EVERYTHING asked of him to avert this war.
 
2003-09-25 12:23:00 AM
Wes Clark (in answer to policy questions fielded by reporters): I don't know... (to his policy advisor) help!

This was televised, you know. It's really too bad he hasn't come up with a platform yet, he doen't know what he wants to say because nobody's given him a platform yet.

I'm sure he's a good soldier and a generally good guy, but come on, buddy.
 
2003-09-25 12:23:29 AM
Tinian

No the softwood timber dispute is not a direct policy of the Bush administration. It's been going on for years. In a nutshell, here is the truth of that matter:

Canada has historically spent billions to improve production of softwood. And, we have a LOT of softwood. The sawmills in the States are still operating at early 1900's standards. Poor safety standards and even worse producing systems makes for very expensive wood. The US lumber barons refuse to spend money on improvements in technology and production. And so, Canada has an edge in the industry for obvious reasons. But what does the US do? Well Canada is hit with unreasonable and ridiculous tariffs and duties. After awhile and a few billions paid out, the Canadian lumbermills just give up and stop production. A few thousands of families lose their jobs. I think it is happening in the steel industry too. The US believes in free trade, but only when the "free" is to its benefit. A few hundred thousand out-of-work Canadians just don't work into the equation, and your increased housing costs don't really matter to the lumber-barons who contribute to re-election campaigns either.

And it has nothing to do with dems or libs or cons or reps. It's just plain american assholeness, which seemingly has no bounds anymore. The decency of America is non-existent anymore.
 
2003-09-25 12:27:11 AM
As a republican, I can not stand Rush. He is an embarassment to the republicans. I think I'll be voting for Clark now if it is an option.
 
2003-09-25 12:27:37 AM
Confabulat

And as far as "brain-dead leftist quips" go, tell me where I'm wrong exactly.

Easy

What farkin' empire?

Where?

Bosnia? (We're still there, BTW)

Kosovo? (We're still there, BTW)

Japan? (We're still there, BTW)

Germany (We're still there, BTW)

We'll probably be out of Iraq before we're out of three of the aforementioned countries.

Empire? That's crazy talk. That's right up there with "it's all about oil". You're too nuts to recognize how wrong you are and stupid you sound. Too bad Bush didn't have the same tiny voices in his head that you do, telling him there were no WMDs. Demanding proof was just too much, eh?
 
2003-09-25 12:33:19 AM
2003-09-25 12:08:13 AM Jill Billy

oh and I must add, it is very difficult to accept the self-righteousness of a country that condones handing over its airwaves to run programs like "COPS" and "Big Brother" and "So You Want a Millionaire" and "Temptation Island". The hypocrisy is amazing and saddening.

Yeah, I can't wait for that glorious day when we'll only be exposed to Party Approved programming. Who cares what's popular - the government knows what's best for you!
 
2003-09-25 12:35:40 AM
PapalMonkey

Let's see... Rush has been on for 15 years. He broadcasts 52 weeks of the year, for a total of 780 broadcast weeks. To account for vacations, let's say he broadcasts 4 days of every week. That's 3120 days that he's broadcasted. His show is 3 hours long, so that's 9360 broadcast-hours. And that paltry list is the best they could come up with? Farking hell, he's doing incredibly well. Better, I would say, than what one would normally expect from simple human error. Go Rush!!!
 
2003-09-25 12:35:55 AM
So where are they then? Where are those WMDs?

Of Saddam and Bush, only one had business with Osama Bin Laden. And it wasn't Saddam.

As far as using examples of Japan & Germany, well, that's just great. You know, the USA used to be pretty great. We helped Japan & Germany. We were pretty good guys, and the world really liked us, for the most part.

That was a long, long time ago.

Now we invade countries for specious reasons. You seem to think the USA of 2003 is somehow the same as the USA of 1945, or heck, even 1993.

Those days are over, until we get the crazies out of office.

As far as "it's all about oil" well heck, I wish it was SOMETHING about oil. Gas prices keep rising, and those promised oil profits from Iraq haven't occurred. Geez, I bet Bush didn't expect that.

Crazy liberal talk, I know.

Except I'm not a liberal, and this is just the damn truth.

As far as empire-building goes...why doesn't G.W. want to let the UN have a say in Iraq?

hmmmmmm...the first war the US has ever fought without provocation, now we tell the UN that we have to control the government...

what is your definition of imperialism?
 
2003-09-25 12:37:43 AM
General Washington, Revolutionary war
General Grant, Civil war
General Ike, WW2
General Clark, war on terror et;al

It sounds logical to have an actual COMMANDER as a COMMANDER IN CHIEF, especially in times of conflict.
 
2003-09-25 12:38:23 AM
Are their examples of abuse? Of course, but income redistribution is not the answer. What is income redistribution you ask. It is taking away from societies most successful and giving it to the least successful. While necessary you should not base your entire economy on this.

I'm tired of hearing this pseudo-Gates "why should we be punished just because we're successful?" garbage. How about we JUST punish the repeat-offending crooks who are also super-wealthy or the ones who bring ruin to millions by committing crimes, rather than the ones who became super-wealthy by being honest and working hard? Is that okay?

You are absolutely right. Which is why the dumbing down of education is so bad. It produces sheep.
Another reason I like Bush


You should talk to my parents, who are educators, or many of my friends who are educators, and see what they think of Bush's education program and policies.

Not that a truly left-aligned program would be any better, of course. Too much censorship and political correctness is just as bad as the Bush Administration's favored forms of oppression, too.
 
2003-09-25 12:40:10 AM
Jill Billy

I don't know where you get your "facts", but lots of American sawmills are highly automated, computer controlled operations. X-ray machines scan the logs for spikes from enviro-nuts. The logs are then scanned by lasers and a computer determines the optimal cut. A CNC saw then cuts the wood. People don't handle the wood until final inspection and grading. I'm sure there's plenty of small mills that aren't so advanced, but all of the major timber producers are.

Really.

As for the tarrifs, I haven't kept up with that. I know there have been some requests to raise tarrifs on Canadian softwood but I don't think it's been done. There was such a huge ruckus raised (by conservatives, mainly) when Bush did it with steel, that if he did it with wood I think I would have heard about it.
 
2003-09-25 12:41:09 AM
Tinian

yes the US military is just all over the place. Except that you forgot to mention the pull-out of Saudi Arabia. And Germany? Please give me a break.

Do you remember the US aid to the Taliban, in early 2001? The US was sending millions to the cause of religion (or something). Then, do you remember how the press started picking up stories of how the Taliban were running rampant and destroying age-old buddhist temples? Do you remember how it hit the airwaves out of nowhere? And then suddenly the US pulled their support. Do you remember how just about that same time the Taliban pulled out of UNICOL and reneged on their support of a pipeline being built? The pipleline was crucial to moving oil. Do you remember how less than six months later the Taliban was the US's arch-enemy? The rest of the world went into that and supported it - yes Canada and a lot of other countries are still in there. Do you remember how a few months later Iraq became the US's biggest threat? Do you know how the Afghanistan pipeline fits into it? Have you looked at a map of the middle east lately?

Lots of questions that will be unanswered for about 50 years I guess.
 
2003-09-25 12:42:09 AM
As far as I remember from college, Conservatives value security over Freedom and Liberals value Freedom over Security. I could dig up old notes and review them but they probably don't mean much to the right because college is all left wing propaganda anyway.

If you are not getting your opinions, ideals and views from Rush Limbaugh you are being brainwashed by the left. Yeah, that makes sense.
 
2003-09-25 12:43:51 AM
Lewis
2003-09-25 12:08:13 AM Jill Billy
oh and I must add, it is very difficult to accept the self-righteousness of a country that condones handing over its airwaves to run programs like "COPS" and "Big Brother" and "So You Want a Millionaire" and "Temptation Island". The hypocrisy is amazing and saddening.

Yeah, I can't wait for that glorious day when we'll only be exposed to Party Approved programming. Who cares what's popular - the government knows what's best for you


I was simply commenting on what the American public seems to be enthralled with these days. Mindless, brain-numbing drivel. Takes the average mind off more important things
 
2003-09-25 12:44:10 AM
Sorry Xtremehkr, conservative value freedom above all the others choices.
 
2003-09-25 12:44:52 AM
he hasn't stated a single position that I have heard yet
Translation: I don't know what he stands for, therefore he must not have said it.

until last week he couldn't say what party he belonged to
BUT, he would have been a republican if Karl Rove had asked him

That was a joke, it's already been brought up and put down.

he's already been caught in a lie
Name one politician who hasn't.

he almost started WWIV by ordering an attack on Russian soldiers
WWIV? Did I miss III somewhere? Besides, buddy, that was ONE British general's opinion of Clark's actions. Would you like to take a poll of British generals' opinions of Bush and base your political stance on that?

General Shelton told an audience discussing 9/11 and it's aftermath that Clark was brought back early from Europe because of integrity issues
General Shelton is a pretty staunch conservative. I have no doubts that he has less than positive things to say about Clark. Again, one guy's opinion. Some people will endorse Clark, some will not.
 
2003-09-25 12:46:33 AM
Not that we Americans have a monopoly on brainless media, hell, look at the British press, it's literally half tabloid.
 
2003-09-25 12:48:18 AM
Just to clarify an earlier comment (if anyone is actually reading this entire thread at this point) the 'listening to rush is an exercise in critical thinking' comment refered to the need to take what he says and say 'hmm. Now why is this maybe true', or 'hmmm. How is he making that look true when it's not', or even 'hmm. that kind of sounds true, I never thought about it that way before.'

The point is, if you only listen to people you NEVER disagree with your mind goes to mush.

And you should always say Hmmm before thinking critically.
 
2003-09-25 12:48:23 AM
Xtremehkr

As far as I remember from college, Conservatives value security over Freedom and Liberals value Freedom over Security.

I thought it was the other way around. At least, I always thought Conservatism was about freedom from government, while liberalism was about humans acting as cogs in a society.

Which is why it's so ironic that the current administration acts so frickin' liberal. Maybe I have this all backwards, heck, everyone's a hypocrite anyway.
 
2003-09-25 12:49:15 AM
Jill Billy, you wrote too many things for me to comment on. I'll go with the first. How are they undermining my happiness?

And Confabulat, "...spent millions of taxpayer dollars investigating a BLOW JOB???" It's not the bj, it's the wag the dog scenario that happened after. What is the definition of 'is'. Plus Hillary on the morning show before the story broke about the vast right-wing conspiracy.
 
2003-09-25 12:49:17 AM
2003-09-25 12:22:22 AM Confabulat

As I recall, Saddam told Dan Rather that he had no WMDs, and asked anyone to see if they could find any. He opened the country up for UN inspection. He said he had nothing to hide, and it appears he wasn't lying.

So how were they supposed to prove it exactly? Saddam may have been a jackass, but he did EVERYTHING asked of him to avert this war.


One time, my mom told me to get rid of all my weed. So I kicked her out of my room, and locked her out for an hour.

Then I let her back in and she couldn't find shiat.

So I must have been in compliance with her wishes, right?

Like, dude man, I did EVERYTHING asked of me.

/and if you believe that, I've totally got some weed to sell you
 
2003-09-25 12:49:41 AM
MyrnaMinkoff writes: Name one politician who hasn't.

I know you're trying to defend General Clark. But, he hasn't actually been caught in a lie. Those who are determined to destroy his credibility have been forced to lie in order to make Clark look like a liar. Don't fall for it.
 
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