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(USA Today)   Okay, I'll get my child vaccinated, you needle-loving doctor man. But only if you let me use my extensive background in not knowing anything about medicine to devise my own alternative vaccination schedule   (yourlife.usatoday.com) divider line 386
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2011-10-03 12:31:36 PM

SchlingFocker: R.A.Danny: If you aren't your Dr.'s boss, you're likely to become their victim.

Now you're just being a retard.


Not at all. It is no different that having a consultant that works for you on a semi-regular basis. Dr.s aren't above the laws of supply and demand, and there are plenty for you to go to if the one you have isn't working out for you. He or she may have other clients, just like the consultant has, but you are within your rights to terminate that relationship anytime you feel that it isn't beneficial for you.
 
2011-10-03 12:33:30 PM

SchlingFocker: Peki: Really? So I can't refuse treatment, ask for a specific test if I think the doctor is missing something, or go get a second opinion? I have to do exactly what my doctor says every time?

You can certainly ask for a test or get a second opinion. You don't have to do exactly what your doctor says.

That's why I said that you can't tell him what to do, and he can't tell you what to do.

You can both make recommendations to each other and either listen to, or disregard, the recommendations.


Yes, but generally it's agreed that you see your doctor for an extended period of time? It's desirable to have a doctor over several years. At some point, the doctor may do something that may cause you to terminate your relationship. We call it "firing"; you can certainly choose to call it something else. *shrug*
 
2011-10-03 12:35:52 PM

SchlingFocker: That's why I said that you can't tell him what to do, and he can't tell you what to do.


Yes you can.*

"I need amoxicillin"

"No, I am going to give you a prescription for bactrim"

"No, I don't like that stuff"

"Ok, here's your scrip"


*No idea if these particular drugs are interchangeable, just used for argument's sake
 
2011-10-03 12:37:17 PM
I feel like you're all arguing over semantics.

Let's get back to the original argument: anti-vaccers are morons.
 
2011-10-03 12:37:51 PM

Winning: I feel like you're all arguing over semantics.

Let's get back to the original argument: anti-vaccers are morons.


Yeah, but someone is wrong on the internet.
 
2011-10-03 12:41:01 PM

R.A.Danny: "I need amoxicillin"

"No, I am going to give you a prescription for bactrim"

"No, I don't like that stuff"

"Ok, here's your scrip"


That's his choice. You made a request, and he chose to honor your request.

He is under no obligation to honor your request. He doesn't have to give it to you.

He's free to say no, just as you're free to seek care elsewhere. It's a partnership.
 
2011-10-03 12:56:47 PM
Why is that these folks don't trust science for anything but faster cars and bigger guns?
 
2011-10-03 01:04:29 PM
When I was in grade school, they pushed vaccinations. Actually, you couldn't go to school without them.

In the following years, I watched as Polio pretty well vanished, Smallpox was no longer a scary threat. Tetanus dropped to the level of being a joke and Whooping Cough faded into obscurity. You never heard anymore about diphtheria.

By the time my niece was ready for school, they had vaccines for measles, Chicken Pox, Yellow Jaundice, mumps and other diseases.

I had the measles, mumps and Chicken Pox as a kid and they were unpleasant. Back then, parents used to expose their kids to other kids who were infected to deliberately get such diseases to develop immunity while they were young.

Now, consider this. Almost all medications will have some percentage of side effects. Most are minor. Plus, some folks will be much more susceptible to side effects than others. Consider that out of a million people vaccinated against disease X, less than 1% will develop a side effect and less than 50% of those will develop a serious one.

That leaves hundreds of thousands of folks who will NEVER get the disease.

I wasn't real crazy as a kid to have the nurse walk into the doctor's treatment room carrying a tray with three or four syringes on it and I usually let them know most loudly. Though I'm glad I got the shots because they've protected me from an assortment of nasty diseases that used to be real common.

I still recall Polio. The massive Iron Lungs. The crippling and deformation of limbs. That was a nasty disease.

Later, measles and/or Chicken Pox were linked to cases of shingles later in life. You rarely come across shingles these days.

Mumps, if caught when you're an adult, goes from annoying to dangerous. It can cause a male to become sterile.

Vaccinate your kids and stop screwing around. If you love them, you'll do this.
 
2011-10-03 01:06:30 PM

hubiestubert: Why is that these folks don't trust science for anything but faster cars and bigger guns?


Insurance should not be required to pay for treatment if these children get the diseases which they could have been inoculated against.

Sure, you get the shots and then get the disease? this happens. fine you are covered.
You didnt get the shots and then you get sick? GOOD. This is how science works. Call the anti-vaccine people and ask them to pay for your medical now.
 
2011-10-03 01:08:06 PM

Rik01: Vaccinate your kids and stop screwing around. If you love them, you'll do this.


this this and more this
 
2011-10-03 01:13:06 PM

namatad: Rik01: Vaccinate your kids and stop screwing around. If you love them, you'll do this.

this this and more this


I wonder if the 'baggers do get their kids vaccinated and are just talking shiat to pander to the dumasses that support them or if they practice what they preach.
 
2011-10-03 01:19:15 PM

I wonder if the 'baggers do get their kids vaccinated and are just talking shiat to pander to the dumasses that support them or if they practice what they preach.


It all depends.

You're genuine tardbagger who actually buys into all the ridiculousness, the ones who daily make the decision to fark themselves, probably don't get them vaccinated.

I'm one hundred percent confident that the people who will tell the tardbaggers what they want to hear in order to gain political power, irrespective of whether it causes the deaths of thousands of women, all get their kids vacccinated. They're evil, not stupid.
 
2011-10-03 01:19:37 PM
My pediatrician told me it's perfectly fine to space them out a bit. I don't, though, because I don't need the poor kids getting shots every damned time they go to the doc.
 
2011-10-03 01:24:49 PM

Tigger: They're evil, not stupid.


Pretty much my point, and they aren't even just raping our economy, our schools, and our Constitution, they are willing to kill children for financial gain.
 
2011-10-03 01:44:24 PM

Rik01: Vaccinate your kids and stop screwing around. If you love them, you'll do this.


Well put. Unfortunately for the kids of these parents, this line common sense is an elusive beast...
 
2011-10-03 01:53:21 PM
just took the boy for 3 innocs in 2 needles, getting a kick, etc
 
2011-10-03 01:54:54 PM

mr_a: I wonder if there will ever be a vaccine for stupidity?


Evolution is for stupidity.

Health officials are concerned about the trend. Unvaccinated people have fueled an outbreak of measles, which sickened nearly 200 people in the first eight months of this year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The USA also has battled outbreaks of whooping cough and mumps in the past two years.

I seriously lol'd. Measles? Who the hell gets measles anymore? Sad part is it's kids of retards that suffer, not the retards themselves.
 
2011-10-03 01:56:31 PM
Had the little boy vaccinated for the first time saturday. Dad had to take him to the appointment because I didn't want to watch. Little guy screamed all day, ran a fever all day yesterday, and is still grumpy as all hell this morning. I tried to explain that he's sick now so he won't be sick later, but being a two month old, he doesn't give a flying fark and screams at mommy just the same. That horrible, ear piercing, angry, omg can't you see I hurt you dumb biatch scream. Don't shake the baby. Don't shake the baby.

Its for your own good. Scream at mommy now from her arms or from an iron lung later.
 
2011-10-03 01:57:34 PM

hubiestubert: Why is that these folks don't trust science for anything but faster cars and bigger guns?


Pfft. What's science ever done for us?

*sent by blackberry*
 
2011-10-03 01:57:37 PM

AbbeySomeone: Parents have the right to make decisions that they feel are best for their children.


And what if a parent decided that holding a childs hand to the stove is in their childs best interest? Would that be acceptable or should CPS step in?
 
2011-10-03 01:58:45 PM
mr_a: I wonder if there will ever be a vaccine for stupidity?
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A few milligrams of ricin injected into the arm should do the trick.

Or sodium thiopental might do the trick.
 
2011-10-03 01:58:46 PM

AbbeySomeone: Parents have the right to make decisions that they feel are best for their children.


Maximum trolling.
 
2011-10-03 01:58:50 PM
Not this crap again.

Look, most Doctors will offer safe alternaive schedules if you ask them. So no, you don't HAVE to have 5 vaccinations at once, but you can if you are cheap with your co-pays.
 
2011-10-03 01:59:45 PM
[...] which spaces out vaccines to avoid giving several shots at once.

Which makes the vaccines not work. The doctors didn't just throw darts at a calendar to decide the current vaccination schedule. Science damn it, people are retarded.
 
2011-10-03 02:00:54 PM
Mods, can we merge this thread with the anti-circumcision one and get all the nutjobs in one place?
 
2011-10-03 02:02:08 PM

gadian: Had the little boy vaccinated for the first time saturday. Dad had to take him to the appointment because I didn't want to watch. Little guy screamed all day, ran a fever all day yesterday, and is still grumpy as all hell this morning. I tried to explain that he's sick now so he won't be sick later, but being a two month old, he doesn't give a flying fark and screams at mommy just the same. That horrible, ear piercing, angry, omg can't you see I hurt you dumb biatch scream. Don't shake the baby. Don't shake the baby.

Its for your own good. Scream at mommy now from her arms or from an iron lung later.



You'll both be fine; not sure about dad though.
 
2011-10-03 02:02:12 PM

Winning: I feel like you're all arguing over semantics.


No they aren't. If they were Tatsuma would be here.
 
2011-10-03 02:03:02 PM

Honest Bender: [...] which spaces out vaccines to avoid giving several shots at once.

Which makes the vaccines not work. The doctors didn't just throw darts at a calendar to decide the current vaccination schedule. Science damn it, people are retarded.


Probably due to all the vaccinations!

Got the flu vaccine a couple of days ago and then i got the flu :(
But at least i didn't get autism.
 
2011-10-03 02:03:18 PM

jchic: AbbeySomeone: Parents have the right to make decisions that they feel are best for their children.

Just like those parents whose children die when they try to 'pray' away disease.


They don't have that right in Oregon any more.

Religion is no longer a cover for the negligent homicide of children.

I can only hope it soon expands to religious refusals to vaccinate.

Given the spread of whooping cough through the country because of poor vaccination rates and the efficacy of the chosen vaccination(it's in the 59-89% range because of concerns regarding the more effective vaccine), it is only a matter of time before a group of these children die because their parents object to vaccination AND try to pray away the disease.

//I now have a serious sad :(
 
2011-10-03 02:04:00 PM
Blarg, and reading through the paper work he had the DTaP, Hep B, Polio, Hib, Pneumococcal, and Rotovirus. I didn't even get the polio vaccine as a kid. I wonder when that started to make a come back. I sort of want the vaccine myself.
 
2011-10-03 02:04:14 PM
HOTY candidate!
 
2011-10-03 02:04:32 PM
That was a hell of a troll by AbbeySomeone. Really well done - short and sweet, and it got tons of bites.
 
2011-10-03 02:05:07 PM

hubiestubert: "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."
--RAH

Learn it, love it, live it.


Indeed. Allow me to add the following:

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein

"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot- proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning."
Rich Cook

The people described in TFA embody these quotes. I pity them, but I fear for their children.
 
2011-10-03 02:05:17 PM
My Baby Don't Want No Medicine (new window)

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I hate them doctors. They always talking a bunch of shiat like they know so much, always trying to act all big and important, like they a movie star or something. That biatch Dr. Ennis be telling me I got to give Rywanda some stupid medicine when she ain't even sick. Fark that shiat. My baby don't want no medicine....
 
2011-10-03 02:05:26 PM

R.A.Danny: SchlingFocker: You can't tell him what to do, and he can't tell you what to do. It's not an employer/employee relationship.

I can't tell any of my employees to do anything I don't want them to, but I can get rid of them if they don't see things my way.

Relationship terminated = Fired.



Excellent.
I'm not divorced, I simply fired my first wife.
 
2011-10-03 02:06:08 PM

EdNortonsTwin: gadian:

You'll both be fine; not sure about dad though.


Dad's fine :-D. The bastard (mean that affectionately) took himself to a hotspring after the appointment and left mom with the screaming little one. All in all, he got the best end of the deal, I think.
 
2011-10-03 02:06:27 PM

NuttierThanEver: See that's the problem with the world right there. Too many decisions based on what feels right as opposed to making decisions on the basis of what the facts show.


I feel ya.

I had to have all my vaccinations over again when I went back to college in my 30s because I'd lost my record. My son couldn't enroll in school without his shot record. How are these kids going to school? If your religion insists that you put other kids in danger because your kid didn't get his shots, maybe you need to homeschool. Kid doesn't have a chance anyway, being raised like that. Might as well keep him home and get an arranged marriage to one of the other religious loonies.
 
2011-10-03 02:06:36 PM

Honest Bender: [...] which spaces out vaccines to avoid giving several shots at once.

Which makes the vaccines not work. The doctors didn't just throw darts at a calendar to decide the current vaccination schedule. Science damn it, people are retarded.


I doubt they are spacing boosters. They can't be that stupid. I'd like to think the parents are at only spacing out the different vaccines. I don't see two different vaccines having a direct effect on each other's effectiveness.
 
2011-10-03 02:06:47 PM

namatad: hubiestubert: Why is that these folks don't trust science for anything but faster cars and bigger guns?

Insurance should not be required to pay for treatment if these children get the diseases which they could have been inoculated against.

Sure, you get the shots and then get the disease? this happens. fine you are covered.
You didnt get the shots and then you get sick? GOOD. This is how science works. Call the anti-vaccine people and ask them to pay for your medical now.


So the child should suffer and die because of the parents' decision? You need to remember who needs to be punished here, the child is in fact an innocent victim of the parents cruelty. The child should be treated and the parents should be jailed.
 
2011-10-03 02:07:01 PM
Abbey Someone and Amos Quito, that is some fine trolling
 
2011-10-03 02:07:07 PM

mryoop789: My pediatrician told me it's perfectly fine to space them out a bit. I don't, though, because I don't need the poor kids getting shots every damned time they go to the doc.



I think this article does a terrific job of conflating spacing vaccines out with not getting vaccines at all. It's almost like they want you to conclude the wrong things from it.

Unvaccinated people have fueled... Skipping or spacing out vaccines dramatically increases the risk of illness, the study says. Children whose parents opt out of one or more vaccines are 22 times more likely to contract measles... Unvaccinated babies are particulary vulnerable

Reading the abstract, it seems the study doesnt specify and is kinda crappy anyways.

"Methods: We performed a cross-sectional, Internet-based survey"

"Results: Of the 13% of parents who reported following an alternative vaccination schedule, most refused only certain vaccines (53%)"


The internet based survey saw that people following an "alternative vaccine schedule" are refusing some vaccines.

Link (new window)

Putting the two together, common sense seems to suggest here that your pediatrician is right, you can space them out if you like, so long as you actually get them. This study seems to say the people who space them out also tend not to actually get some of them.
 
2011-10-03 02:07:42 PM

Winning: I feel like you're all arguing over semantics.

Let's get back to the original argument: anti-vaccers are morons.


Isn't that the same thing, though? They're arguing semantics with a 9/11 truther. Stupidity abounds either way.
 
2011-10-03 02:08:00 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: My Baby Don't Want No Medicine (new window)

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I hate them doctors. They always talking a bunch of shiat like they know so much, always trying to act all big and important, like they a movie star or something. That biatch Dr. Ennis be telling me I got to give Rywanda some stupid medicine when she ain't even sick. Fark that shiat. My baby don't want no medicine....


I think she lives next door to my ex-wife...
 
2011-10-03 02:08:39 PM
abbey ain't trolling, folks.
 
2011-10-03 02:08:47 PM
I'd be a lot more outraged if I didn't know that doctors and Big Pharm had their own agendas about what to give people and when to give it to them.

Yeah, you can't believe the Jenny McCarthy of the world, but I'm skeptical that a bunch of different drugs for a bunch of different things is 'better' given all at one time.

/Of course, my snowflake was treated according to the book, but that's different.
 
2011-10-03 02:08:51 PM

Rik01:
Vaccinate your kids and stop screwing around. If you love them, you'll do this.


I love my kids, which is why I get them vaccinated, but then I tell everyone else not to get THEIR kids vaccinated because it'll give them autism.

That way my kids will be going to Harvard while everyone else's kids will still be stuck in their hometown in a wheelchair, iron lung, or coffin.

Part of making sure that your kid has EVERY OPPORTUNITY is denying said opportunities to other kids.
 
2011-10-03 02:09:54 PM

AbbeySomeone: Parents have the right to make decisions that they feel are best for their children.


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2011-10-03 02:10:47 PM
We had our child vaccinated fully but we did spread out a couple shots if we knew we were coming back anyway. It was less about a concern for vaccine safety and more about "once the kid gets stabbed twice, it's time to give him a break." We were always within the recommended window so no one really noticed. Was this an alternative? I've no idea. All I know is that in order to keep the kicks to my face to a minimum, I was willing to go back a few extra times.

\Now if they could just vaccinate them against that farking peanut allergy, I'd sleep a lot easier at night.
 
2011-10-03 02:11:08 PM

AbbeySomeone: Parents have the right to make decisions that they feel are best for their children.


And the government has a right to take those kids away.
 
2011-10-03 02:11:27 PM

AbbeySomeone: Parents have the right to make decisions that they feel are best for their children.


Simple troll is simple, and WILDLY effective.

10/10
 
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