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(CBS4Denver - KCNC)   Student forced to drop a class because she had an epileptic seizure. Yeah, that's a lawsuit   (denver.cbslocal.com) divider line 112
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2011-09-30 09:47:53 PM
Reasonable accomodation. If the student cannot perform the basic tasks that the course requires, and there are no reasonable changes that can be made to assist her, then you bet your ass she could be asked to drop.

Besides if she's got uncontrolled grand mal episodes, it's not like she's going to be hired as an EMT.
 
2011-09-30 09:56:03 PM

dahmers love zombie: Reasonable accomodation. If the student cannot perform the basic tasks that the course requires, and there are no reasonable changes that can be made to assist her, then you bet your ass she could be asked to drop.

Besides if she's got uncontrolled grand mal episodes, it's not like she's going to be hired as an EMT.


She would be a great learning aide, though.
 
2011-09-30 10:06:54 PM

dahmers love zombie: Reasonable accomodation. If the student cannot perform the basic tasks that the course requires, and there are no reasonable changes that can be made to assist her, then you bet your ass she could be asked to drop.

Besides if she's got uncontrolled grand mal episodes, it's not like she's going to be hired as an EMT.


She would have a shaky career?
 
2011-09-30 10:13:49 PM
Well, was pottery class really a good class for them to take?
 
2011-09-30 10:21:04 PM

dahmers love zombie: Reasonable accomodation. If the student cannot perform the basic tasks that the course requires, and there are no reasonable changes that can be made to assist her, then you bet your ass she could be asked to drop.


If she had more than one and they're uncontrollable, I can see that. But a single seizure and they kick her out because it might distract the other students? No.

Besides if she's got uncontrolled grand mal episodes, it's not like she's going to be hired as an EMT.

Also this
 
2011-09-30 11:41:11 PM
Done in the boobies.


Fun fact: If you're deaf, mute or blind, most medical schools won't take you and there is nothing you can do about it.

I SAID THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT
 
2011-09-30 11:42:00 PM
What a spaz.
 
2011-09-30 11:42:21 PM
If she flopped out of the chair and pissed herself on the floor, I would imagine the show does not go on so smoothly.
 
2011-09-30 11:43:46 PM

Who knew EMT stood for Epileptic Medical Technician.


/I.B. Banging

 
2011-09-30 11:43:49 PM
She has a seizure, is forced to drop a class, and now the school is suing her? What a shiatty life.
 
2011-09-30 11:43:59 PM

dahmers love zombie: Reasonable accomodation. If the student cannot perform the basic tasks that the course requires, and there are no reasonable changes that can be made to assist her, then you bet your ass she could be asked to drop.

Besides if she's got uncontrolled grand mal episodes, it's not like she's going to be hired as an EMT.


...except that's not what happened here, is it?

She had ONE seizure, it apparently didn't affect the requirements of the course, and she hasn't even asked for any accommodations yet; and they still told her she had to drop the class? And where did it say her seizures are "uncontrolled"?

And anyway, a school can't restrict classes based on whether the student might or might not be hired after graduation. That's not their determination to make. Davis v. Southwest College only applies to the courses, not to what happens afterward.
 
2011-09-30 11:45:36 PM
TFA indicated that faculty members asked her to drop the class.

Is there a reason she couldn't have said "no"?

I think she would have a much stronger case if they had actually kicked her out rather than merely asking.
 
2011-09-30 11:47:24 PM
She is damn cute and therefore I'm on her side.

400 pounds biatches who want to be firefighters and sue after failing to carry a dummy up a ladder piss me off.
 
2011-09-30 11:47:53 PM

susler: TFA indicated that faculty members asked her to drop the class.

Is there a reason she couldn't have said "no"?

I think she would have a much stronger case if they had actually kicked her out rather than merely asking.


Under the ADA and 504, they had no business even asking.
 
2011-09-30 11:48:45 PM
Hey school turds. You are supposed to use the excuse of:
"After a multi-person review of the incidence, of your random epileptic seizures, we feel that you could become a danger to the people you are helping, so here's your money back and try an arts class".
 
2011-09-30 11:48:59 PM
CSB time...

Back in high school (late 70's, early 80's) we had an epileptic classmate. To the teachers' credit they taught us how to move the desks and let him have his seizures in the middle of the classroom, then move everything back and continue the class as if nothing had happened. Taught us all about what was "normal".
 
2011-09-30 11:50:08 PM

Gyrfalcon: dahmers love zombie: Reasonable accomodation. If the student cannot perform the basic tasks that the course requires, and there are no reasonable changes that can be made to assist her, then you bet your ass she could be asked to drop.

Besides if she's got uncontrolled grand mal episodes, it's not like she's going to be hired as an EMT.

...except that's not what happened here, is it?

She had ONE seizure,.


If she's claiming she has epilepsy as a disability, then she's probably had more than one seizure. It takes more than one seizure just for the diagnosis, or so I've been told by one of the top epilepsy docs in the U.S.
 
2011-09-30 11:52:49 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum:


Fun fact: If you're deaf, mute or blind, most medical schools won't take you and there is nothing you can do about it.

I SAID THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT


Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Link (new window)
 
2011-09-30 11:53:14 PM
middle of an emergency medical technician class

seeing how the ADA has been completely stretched beyond it's original goal, means we'll be reading a story about a paramedic needing an ambulance while on a call. or just another car accident story where the ambulance plowed into someone...
 
2011-09-30 11:59:28 PM
Science and medical hocus pocus. It's obvious she was just just possessed.

As long as she puts her faith in Jesus I don't see how this can be a problem in future.
 
2011-10-01 12:01:08 AM

namegoeshere: Britney Spear's Speculum:


Fun fact: If you're deaf, mute or blind, most medical schools won't take you and there is nothing you can do about it.

I SAID THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Link (new window)


Cool, now give me 63 more unique examples
 
2011-10-01 12:01:23 AM

dahmers love zombie: Reasonable accomodation. If the student cannot perform the basic tasks that the course requires, and there are no reasonable changes that can be made to assist her, then you bet your ass she could be asked to drop.

Besides if she's got uncontrolled grand mal episodes, it's not like she's going to be hired as an EMT.


I'm going to assume that it was her first and potentially only one. In such a case, it's unreasonable to expect her to cancel. She'll be put on meds to control it.

If they are in truth uncontrollable, she's farked.

/Childhood Epileptic
//Seizure @ 5, controlled by meds until 20, "normal" EEG at that point.
 
2011-10-01 12:04:01 AM
So, I guess She Lost Control (new window)
 
2011-10-01 12:04:02 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: namegoeshere: Britney Spear's Speculum:


Fun fact: If you're deaf, mute or blind, most medical schools won't take you and there is nothing you can do about it.

I SAID THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Cool, now give me 63 more unique examples


"Most" is such a handy word, isn't it?
 
2011-10-01 12:04:45 AM
I would appreciate my EMT NOT having a seizure when they come to pick me up. It's like that deaf idiot who's suing to join the Army. I know mommy and daddy have told you you can do anything everyone else can, and how special you were, but face facts... there are some jobs that your disability makes you a liability for.
 
2011-10-01 12:07:18 AM
She picked a good place to have it. Instead of say... Going down a highway doing 80.

Also fun fact if you have a siezure you can't drive for X months.
 
2011-10-01 12:10:00 AM
Everybody always rushing to the lawyers. She should just sit down with the administration and see if they can thrash something out.
 
2011-10-01 12:10:22 AM

namegoeshere: "Most" is such a handy word, isn't it?


Less than 100% and greater than 50%
 
2011-10-01 12:12:55 AM
hey baby, got any fries to go with that shake?
 
2011-10-01 12:13:06 AM
Remember, these regulations help prevent Colleges from turning the United States into Somalia.
 
2011-10-01 12:14:31 AM

Skraeling: She picked a good place to have it. Instead of say... Going down a highway doing 80.

Also fun fact if you have a siezure you can't drive for X months.


Depends on the state.

6 months in Georgia. 5 years in Pennsylvania.
 
2011-10-01 12:14:42 AM

Gyrfalcon: dahmers love zombie: Reasonable accomodation. If the student cannot perform the basic tasks that the course requires, and there are no reasonable changes that can be made to assist her, then you bet your ass she could be asked to drop.

Besides if she's got uncontrolled grand mal episodes, it's not like she's going to be hired as an EMT.

...except that's not what happened here, is it?

She had ONE seizure, it apparently didn't affect the requirements of the course, and she hasn't even asked for any accommodations yet; and they still told her she had to drop the class? And where did it say her seizures are "uncontrolled"?

And anyway, a school can't restrict classes based on whether the student might or might not be hired after graduation. That's not their determination to make. Davis v. Southwest College only applies to the courses, not to what happens afterward.


Seems if you have one seizure, that's kinda the definition of "uncontrolled".
I mean, there's no case for a "controlled seizure", as in "I feel like I should be jerking around, but choose not to".

Seizures can be controlled with medication, but if you have one, then obviously it's not "controlled".
 
2011-10-01 12:15:49 AM

zzrhardy: Science and medical hocus pocus. It's obvious she was just just possessed.

As long as she puts her faith in Jesus I don't see how this can be a problem in future.


You left off the \sarc.
 
2011-10-01 12:17:23 AM
Wow this reminds me of a class in economics I had once. It was taught by a crotchety old veteran who was every bit NOT what you'd expect an economics lecturer to look like, and it showed.

He had a practical example non-interchangeable goods with just this scenario.

Except his story, the "guy with seizures that the politically-correct boss insists be made part of the team..."

Was allowed to become an ordnance handler.

Yup, as in BOMB TECHNICIAN.

That worked up until the first grand mal seizure while in the middle of assembling a weapon with enough explosives in it to turn everybody in the room into gazpacho.

Of course, it takes an even more special kind of overconfidence to know you have epilepsy, then insist on chasing a job where you're riding in a vehicle with many randomly flashing lights, surrounded by other vehicles with randomly flashing lights.
 
2011-10-01 12:18:13 AM

Gyrfalcon: dahmers love zombie: Reasonable accomodation. If the student cannot perform the basic tasks that the course requires, and there are no reasonable changes that can be made to assist her, then you bet your ass she could be asked to drop.

Besides if she's got uncontrolled grand mal episodes, it's not like she's going to be hired as an EMT.

...except that's not what happened here, is it?

She had ONE seizure, it apparently didn't affect the requirements of the course, and she hasn't even asked for any accommodations yet; and they still told her she had to drop the class? And where did it say her seizures are "uncontrolled"?

And anyway, a school can't restrict classes based on whether the student might or might not be hired after graduation. That's not their determination to make. Davis v. Southwest College only applies to the courses, not to what happens afterward.


My fiance is an epileptic and if you have ever seen a Tonic-Clonic seizure then you know they are scary as fark especially if the person that is seizing has gone into status epilepticus. Add in the myoclonic & absence seizures you get a person who is liable to having a life threatening seizure,uncontrollable movements of the arms/legs/neck or just completely blank out randomly at any time. No one seizure doesn't automatically count a person as epileptic but there's this

Channing Seideman was in the middle of an emergency medical technician class when she had an epileptic seizure. She said faculty members asked her to drop the class, saying the episode was too distracting to other students and there could be more.

Seideman said it was a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act and she's filed a complaint against the school.

She doesn't want other people to experience the same thing.

"They're allowed to have a seizure in class. They don't have to get kicked out. It's kind of just paving the way for other people with disabilities or epileptics," Seideman told CBS4.



I could very well see that being a bit of an issue if you want to be an EMT but it depends on how well it's controlled or what specifically brought this one on. A photosensitive epileptic would just be asking for it wanting to be an EMT. At the very least she should be seeing a neurologist to see why she had a breakthrough seizure if it had been previously well controlled.

/My fiance's neurologist is giving him an MRI,EEG and changing his medicine because Dr.Khan was appalled at how long he had been on phenobarbital and phenytoin considering how uncontrolled his epilepsy was.
 
2011-10-01 12:18:24 AM

UsikFark: If she flopped out of the chair and pissed herself on the floor, I would imagine the show does not go on so smoothly.


It doesn't.

A quick end to pretty much anything.
 
2011-10-01 12:18:29 AM

dahmers love zombie: Reasonable accomodation. If the student cannot perform the basic tasks that the course requires, and there are no reasonable changes that can be made to assist her, then you bet your ass she could be asked to drop.

Besides if she's got uncontrolled grand mal episodes, it's not like she's going to be hired as an EMT.


Being someone with epilepsy who is about to get surgery to get it cured, I'm very happy that i was allowed to study BEFORE my condition is bettered. My illness may make you feel uncomfortable for 30 seconds or so every few months but it does NOT mean I don't deserve to educate myself and further my career.
 
2011-10-01 12:18:33 AM

Oznog: Seems if you have one seizure, that's kinda the definition of "uncontrolled".
I mean, there's no case for a "controlled seizure", as in "I feel like I should be jerking around, but choose not to".

Seizures can be controlled with medication, but if you have one, then obviously it's not "controlled".


Yes, but epilepsy has a rather sudden onset. One day you are fine, the next you have it. This assumes that the seizure wasn't triggered by something else - even something as simple as hypoglycemia can cause them.

If it was in fact her first one, it could very easily be her only one.
 
2011-10-01 12:20:04 AM
To those saying, "wtf are you going to be an EMT for you can't drive an ambulance!!1" Does she have to drive the ambulance, guys?

I mean, I can't think of any time that I've seen an ambulance with just one person in it.
 
2011-10-01 12:20:34 AM
mc6809e: Remember, these regulations help prevent Colleges from turning the United States into Somalia.

Except for colleges pretty solid effort at bankrupting an entire generation. Other than that, golden.
 
2011-10-01 12:20:44 AM

TehNacho: To those saying, "wtf are you going to be an EMT for you can't drive an ambulance!!1" Does she have to drive the ambulance, guys?

I mean, I can't think of any time that I've seen an ambulance with just one person in it.


Well she's a woman so we already know there's going to be a problem.
 
2011-10-01 12:21:52 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: TehNacho: To those saying, "wtf are you going to be an EMT for you can't drive an ambulance!!1" Does she have to drive the ambulance, guys?

I mean, I can't think of any time that I've seen an ambulance with just one person in it.

Well she's a woman so we already know there's going to be a problem.


Lulz.
 
2011-10-01 12:22:07 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Everybody always rushing to the lawyers. She should just sit down with the administration and see if they can thrash something out.


Have you ever tried to get a college's administration to sit down with you?

It's pretty easy if you show up with a lawyer.
 
2011-10-01 12:24:24 AM
Just because she is taking an EMT course does not mean she will want to work in an ambulance. Maybe she wants the skills to increase her desirability as a candidate for another job - a counselor in a residential setting, perhaps. Like having first aid training but moreso. The point is, it is not the college's place to deny her the course after previously accepting her based on her potential hirability as an ambulance medic.
 
2011-10-01 12:26:01 AM
While I have no issues with epileptics in most jobs.. an EMT? No. Granted (and I'm by no means an expert), most seizures I've been involved with have been in low stress but mind-numbing desk atmospheres.. but still, it would seem to pose too much of a risk.
 
2011-10-01 12:27:43 AM

TehNacho: To those saying, "wtf are you going to be an EMT for you can't drive an ambulance!!1" Does she have to drive the ambulance, guys?

I mean, I can't think of any time that I've seen an ambulance with just one person in it.




Uhmm... In a Life and Death situation; wouldn't it be a little bit better to have someone you can count on? I know modern PC bullshiat requires people to ignore the obvious; but is it really helpful for the ambulance to be delivering MORE incapacitated people to the scene of an emergency?
 
2011-10-01 12:32:18 AM

namegoeshere: Just because she is taking an EMT course does not mean she will want to work in an ambulance. Maybe she wants the skills to increase her desirability as a candidate for another job - a counselor in a residential setting, perhaps. Like having first aid training but moreso. The point is, it is not the college's place to deny her the course after previously accepting her based on her potential hirability as an ambulance medic.



Yeah. Maybe she wants to become a cardiac surgeon or an airline pilot.
 
2011-10-01 12:35:17 AM

Little.Alex: namegoeshere: Just because she is taking an EMT course does not mean she will want to work in an ambulance. Maybe she wants the skills to increase her desirability as a candidate for another job - a counselor in a residential setting, perhaps. Like having first aid training but moreso. The point is, it is not the college's place to deny her the course after previously accepting her based on her potential hirability as an ambulance medic.


Yeah. Maybe she wants to become a cardiac surgeon or an airline pilot.


Or, you know, work at a summer camp. Same thing, really.
 
2011-10-01 12:36:31 AM

Little.Alex: cardiac surgeon


She'd have a job at leastat least
 
2011-10-01 12:37:45 AM
Unfortunately there are certain conditions which have to be taken in to account for high risk/high stress jobs. Being an EMT with grand mal seizures is one of them. It's still pretty sad, though, because it's not like she knew before. I'd be ditching EMT classes for nursing school. (Kicking her out of a CLASS seems a bit extreme.) Before any farkers jump on my case: I'm in the same boat. I've always thought law enforcement was an attractive career path and am a model candidate, but am automatically disqualified because of a relatively minor mental illness diagnoses, which is completely controlled but nevertheless too great of a liability for a job in law enforcement. And I accept that because that's the way life is and am adjusting my career path accordingly (and probably for the better).
 
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