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2011-09-30 07:43:32 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2011-09-30 07:44:17 AM  
Keep the Americans in? Ok. Good luck with your "land of the free" guys.
 
2011-09-30 07:44:33 AM  
You guys know this isn't about immigration, or stopping terra-ists or anything like that, right? It's about the smuggling.

Quite a lot of, erm, undocumented imports and exports* end up going over that border, and not all of it is necessarily "illegal", but it's a consequence of high tax rates and availability. For example, back in 1994, there was a *MAJOR* cigarette smuggling problem: Canadian taxes were significantly higher than US taxes, and that encouraged smuggling of cigarettes across the border until Canada and Quebec lowered the federal and provincial taxes drastically lowered their taxes on them to reduce the smuggling problem.

*Hey, if illegal aliens can be re-branded as "undocumented immigrants", then smuggled goods can be "undocumented imports/exports".
 
2011-09-30 07:46:43 AM  
Hey, Conservative Fear mongering assholes.

The whole "Longest undefended border in the world" is kind of a symbol of what can happen when two countries work together.

It's a symbol of what can be accomplished. It's a real legacy of history that we no longer fear what was once our enemy.

Stop dicking with something that is great. PS, you going to put a fence across the great lakes?
 
2011-09-30 07:47:38 AM  
Laugh if you will, but we'll see who's laughing when our children are drinking litres of milk out of plastic bags.
 
2011-09-30 07:49:04 AM  
To keep Americans from fleeing the country.
 
2011-09-30 07:49:54 AM  
This should be hilarious. The people who proposed it probably own the company that will build the fence. Now all you have to do is build it and MAINTAIN it. Remember the first cost is the LEAST cost. Pardon me while I, politely, fall over laughing at the collective stupidity of amurikans, eh.
 
2011-09-30 07:56:04 AM  
This makes perfect sense. The U.S. *must* be protected from those well mannered
heathens to the north, what with their poutine and homo milk.
 
2011-09-30 08:00:56 AM  

historycat: Hey, Conservative Fear mongering assholes.

The whole "Longest undefended border in the world" is kind of a symbol of what can happen when two countries work together.

It's a symbol of what can be accomplished. It's a real legacy of history that we no longer fear what was once our enemy.

Stop dicking with something that is great. PS, you going to put a fence across the great lakes?


Not for nothing, and I'm sure they support it, but this is being proposed by the Obama administration, and not the Bush administration. So it's not just conservatives who are fear mongering assholes here.
 
2011-09-30 08:07:32 AM  
Department of Homeland Security, I want to buy your rock..
 
2011-09-30 08:16:13 AM  

ignatiusst: We are really going to fence in the whole damn country, aren't we?


if we get to that point I am certain the sheep will realize that the walls are to keep us confined.
 
2011-09-30 08:20:49 AM  
The money would be better spent if they put it around Texas, Florida and New York.
 
2011-09-30 08:24:14 AM  
I would also like to say that as a Canadian I am fine with this.
 
2011-09-30 08:26:56 AM  
In 2008 more than 1 out of 100 American adults was in prison. We can do better.
 
2011-09-30 08:33:44 AM  

number8: historycat: Hey, Conservative Fear mongering assholes.

The whole "Longest undefended border in the world" is kind of a symbol of what can happen when two countries work together.

It's a symbol of what can be accomplished. It's a real legacy of history that we no longer fear what was once our enemy.

Stop dicking with something that is great. PS, you going to put a fence across the great lakes?

Not for nothing, and I'm sure they support it, but this is being proposed by the Obama administration, and not the Bush administration. So it's not just conservatives who are fear mongering assholes here.


Actually it's the bureaucrats. The article points out Customs and Border Agency, and the GAO.

Weber's bureaucratic model of democracy says it doesn't matter who we elect, bureaucrats are independent of elections and always looking to gain a bigger budget.
 
2011-09-30 08:34:47 AM  

elkraf: 54-40 or fight!


I'll take 54-40 please.
 
2011-09-30 08:36:27 AM  
Perry's Victory and INTERNATIONAL PEACE MEMORIAL (new window)

Did You Know?
The Doric Column at Perry's Victory and International Peace Memorial is the only international peace memorial in the National Park Service and stands 47 feet taller than the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor. The upper deck platform is 12 feet taller than the statue of Liberty's torch.

Perry's Victory and International Peace Memorial was established to honor those who fought in the Battle of Lake Erie, during the War of 1812, and to celebrate the long-lasting peace between Britain, Canada and the U.S. The Memorial, a Doric column, rising 352 feet over Lake Erie is situated 5 miles from the longest undefended border in the world.
 
2011-09-30 08:38:42 AM  
He's trying to escape!
i527.photobucket.com
 
2011-09-30 08:38:52 AM  
timujin 2011-09-30 02:00:03 AM
To keep them out or us in?

gizmanjr 2011-09-30 07:49:04 AM
To keep Americans from fleeing the country.

Kirk's_Toupee 2011-09-30 08:16:13 AM
ignatiusst: We are really going to fence in the whole damn country, aren't we?

if we get to that point I am certain the sheep will realize that the walls are to keep us confined.


Oh my... god.... facepalm on the utter stupidity. Yeah, the fence is going up to keep you in.

America is becoming a big concentration camp run by the Dear Leader Hitler Obama-Pol-Pot

Welcome to Year Farking Zero.
 
2011-09-30 08:44:41 AM  

furterfan: The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.


WE MUST PROTECT OURSELVES FROM THE DREADED MAPLE LEAF!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2011-09-30 08:44:51 AM  
Show me a 20 foot fence and I'll show you a 21 foot ladder.
 
2011-09-30 08:48:26 AM  
They totally should build that fence. Cattle usually have to be fenced for their own protection.

/giggles
 
2011-09-30 08:50:31 AM  

The Onanist: ignatiusst: We are really going to fence in the whole damn country, aren't we?

It's a "shovel ready" project.

/And possibly the DUMBEST damn idea I've heard in a while.


Obviously you aren't Canadian and/or haven't been paying attention to President Prime Minister Pedosmile McSweatervest lately, who's essentially a diet George W. Bush with aspartame, as he may seem like he's lighter in calories, but deadlier in the long run.

Thanks, my fellow countrymen, for allowing this cockmonkey to get elected.
 
2011-09-30 08:51:18 AM  
What a great idea! There might even be some leftover sections of the Berlin Wall we could use to get the project started.
 
2011-09-30 08:53:31 AM  
Always funny to hear other Americans referring to fleeing their own country. Apparently they think that other countries have as lax an attitude to illegal immigration as America does. So it makes me chuckle when the assorted celebrity twits talk about emigrating if so-and-so is elected. I wonder where they think they'll go? For most countries the most you can hope for is to overstay a tourist visa and spend a few years working semi-legitimate jobs before you get stopped on something trivial, discovered, and sent home. There are ads right now on craigslist by Americans willing to marry just to get a European passport. So re: the fence "keeping you in", Canada is too busy importing third-worlders and doesn't need you. If you overstay and are discovered the police will simply arrest you and deport you. Thinking of illegally emigrating to Mexico? Have a read on how seriously they treat illegal immigration. The truth is, only in the US is the idea of protecting your border against people who have no right to be in the country somehow controversial.
 
2011-09-30 08:59:29 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Oh my... god.... facepalm on the utter stupidity. Yeah, the fence is going up to keep you in.

America is becoming a big concentration camp run by the Dear Leader Hitler Obama-Pol-Pot

Welcome to Year Farking Zero.


Apparently my high school students know things you don't.

Biopower (new window)
 
2011-09-30 09:00:49 AM  
Let's start with a giant wall around Point Roberts, WA (new window).
 
2011-09-30 09:03:30 AM  

historycat: The whole "Longest undefended border in the world" is kind of a symbol of what can happen when two countries work together.


I would think the remaining undefended Alaskan-Canadian border, on its own, would also hold that title. That's a huge border.
 
2011-09-30 09:04:55 AM  

BohemianGraham: The Onanist: ignatiusst: We are really going to fence in the whole damn country, aren't we?

It's a "shovel ready" project.

/And possibly the DUMBEST damn idea I've heard in a while.

Obviously you aren't Canadian and/or haven't been paying attention to President Prime Minister Pedosmile McSweatervest lately, who's essentially a diet George W. Bush with aspartame, as he may seem like he's lighter in calories, but deadlier in the long run.

Thanks, my fellow countrymen, for allowing this cockmonkey to get elected.


I agree with this post.

/lives in Toronto.
//the premier Ontario is about to elect supports forced labour for prisoners and our new 300 pound mayor got elected by talking about gravy a lot (seriously).
///my quest to stop drinking isn't going well.
 
2011-09-30 09:11:45 AM  

inclemency: BohemianGraham: The Onanist: ignatiusst: We are really going to fence in the whole damn country, aren't we?

It's a "shovel ready" project.

/And possibly the DUMBEST damn idea I've heard in a while.

Obviously you aren't Canadian and/or haven't been paying attention to President Prime Minister Pedosmile McSweatervest lately, who's essentially a diet George W. Bush with aspartame, as he may seem like he's lighter in calories, but deadlier in the long run.

Thanks, my fellow countrymen, for allowing this cockmonkey to get elected.

I agree with this post.

/lives in Toronto.
//the premier Ontario is about to elect supports forced labour for prisoners and our new 300 pound mayor got elected by talking about gravy a lot (seriously).
///my quest to stop drinking isn't going well.


I do not envy you, and I live in Dipper-Land, which is run by Comrade Dexter. Only a couple more years with him though. He's managed to muck things up worse than the Tories (real Tories still exist in NS and aren't the damn reform party in sheep's clothing) and the Liberals.

/I started making my own booze, it's cheaper
 
2011-09-30 09:15:18 AM  

dittybopper: You guys know this isn't about immigration, or stopping terra-ists or anything like that, right? It's about the smuggling.

Quite a lot of, erm, undocumented imports and exports* end up going over that border, and not all of it is necessarily "illegal", but it's a consequence of high tax rates and availability. For example, back in 1994, there was a *MAJOR* cigarette smuggling problem: Canadian taxes were significantly higher than US taxes, and that encouraged smuggling of cigarettes across the border until Canada and Quebec lowered the federal and provincial taxes drastically lowered their taxes on them to reduce the smuggling problem.

*Hey, if illegal aliens can be re-branded as "undocumented immigrants", then smuggled goods can be "undocumented imports/exports".


Smuggling is indeed a serious problem, especially in Québec and Ontario, as Native American lands encompass territory on both the Canadian and U.S. side of the border. Usually, illegal cigarettes are smuggled to the U.S. in exchange for pot or other contraband goods, and since all of this happens on NA lands, where the Canadian government is skittish to act, it goes on unabated. Fencing these areas off would be quite a challenge, as most of the traffic happens over waterways.

As for tobacco taxes dropping in the mid-90s, that did indeed happen, but as it hurt the government's tax intake on both the provincial and federal level, prices went back up and people went back to buying "Indian cigarettes" at $6 for a bag of 200 (the equivalent of a full legal carton). Now, 1 in 3 cigarettes bought in Canada is illegally made, as most of the country's population is concentrated in, you guessed it, Québec and Ontario.
 
2011-09-30 09:15:28 AM  
In a completely unrelated news article, Americans flee north to Canada for economic opportunity (new window)

/I know, it's just 1 article...
 
2011-09-30 09:25:50 AM  

Christopher_Awesome: I'm Canadian and I think this is a good idea. It'll keep the americans from flooding across the border after some tea party wacko gets elected next year.


Abandon all hope he who lives here.
This country is competely losing it. Stop wasting my money!
I myself would consider moving north
I like Red Green.
 
2011-09-30 09:25:56 AM  
Can't we compromise and just put up some magic mesh?
 
2011-09-30 09:28:46 AM  
Why not build a moat instead?
 
2011-09-30 09:30:25 AM  
See the animal in his cage that you built?
Are you sure what side you're on?
Better not look him too closely in the eye...
Are you sure what side of the glass you're on?

See the safety of the life you have built?
Everything where it belongs...
Feel the hollowness inside of your heart
And it's all right where it belongs...
 
2011-09-30 09:33:12 AM  

Christopher_Awesome: I'm Canadian and I think this is a good idea. It'll keep the americans from flooding across the border after some tea party wacko gets elected next year.


Too late, we have the wacko Teabagger in charge of Canada.
 
2011-09-30 09:38:31 AM  

historycat: Hey, Conservative Fear mongering assholes.

The whole "Longest undefended border in the world" is kind of a symbol of what can happen when two countries work together.

It's a symbol of what can be accomplished. It's a real legacy of history that we no longer fear what was once our enemy.

Stop dicking with something that is great. PS, you going to put a fence across the great lakes?


I was wondering about Alaska and Hawaii.
 
2011-09-30 09:40:16 AM  
Is this like the Berlin wall, to keep our citizens from escaping to Canada as the US gets constantly shiattier?
 
2011-09-30 09:45:37 AM  
historycat Quote 2011-09-30 08:59:29 AM
SirEattonHogg: Oh my... god.... facepalm on the utter stupidity. Yeah, the fence is going up to keep you in.

America is becoming a big concentration camp run by the Dear Leader Hitler Obama-Pol-Pot

Welcome to Year Farking Zero.

Apparently my high school students know things you don't.

Biopower (new window)


Fine. I'll pick up the Cliff Notes.

Want to enlighten me? Or am I too much of a sheeple?
 
2011-09-30 09:49:58 AM  

planes: I think I remember this ... The U.S. President, low in the opinion polls, gets talked into raising his popularity by trying to start a cold war against Canada.

This is the plot for the 1995 movie "Canadian Bacon" (new window)

"It's déjà vu all over again." Yogi Berra


"We have ways of making you pronounce the letter O, pal."
 
2011-09-30 10:07:43 AM  
This fence is necessary to protect us from the scourge of affordable prescription drugs.
 
PJ-
2011-09-30 10:13:06 AM  

Savage Bacon: dittybopper: You guys know this isn't about immigration, or stopping terra-ists or anything like that, right? It's about the smuggling.

Quite a lot of, erm, undocumented imports and exports* end up going over that border, and not all of it is necessarily "illegal", but it's a consequence of high tax rates and availability. For example, back in 1994, there was a *MAJOR* cigarette smuggling problem: Canadian taxes were significantly higher than US taxes, and that encouraged smuggling of cigarettes across the border until Canada and Quebec lowered the federal and provincial taxes drastically lowered their taxes on them to reduce the smuggling problem.

*Hey, if illegal aliens can be re-branded as "undocumented immigrants", then smuggled goods can be "undocumented imports/exports".

Smuggling is indeed a serious problem, especially in Québec and Ontario, as Native American lands encompass territory on both the Canadian and U.S. side of the border. Usually, illegal cigarettes are smuggled to the U.S. in exchange for pot or other contraband goods, and since all of this happens on NA lands, where the Canadian government is skittish to act, it goes on unabated. Fencing these areas off would be quite a challenge, as most of the traffic happens over waterways.

As for tobacco taxes dropping in the mid-90s, that did indeed happen, but as it hurt the government's tax intake on both the provincial and federal level, prices went back up and people went back to buying "Indian cigarettes" at $6 for a bag of 200 (the equivalent of a full legal carton). Now, 1 in 3 cigarettes bought in Canada is illegally made, as most of the country's population is concentrated in, you guessed it, Québec and Ontario.


Too bad those smokes you are talking about are hideous, and the only people that do smoke them are poor people who can't afford real smokes. Asked a guy on a job site for a smoke, he pulled out some natives, I refused and said I would rather not smoke then touch one of those things.
 
2011-09-30 10:15:52 AM  
As an american citizen who just found out that he can't legally get into canada without the help of a lawyer.....


....I am NOT ok with this.

/Just wanna come play in the purty mountains
 
2011-09-30 10:16:18 AM  

timujin: To keep them out or us in?


Someone must be afraid all the Real Americans* are going to escape.

*The people who'd actually like to do things that help this country.
 
2011-09-30 10:23:53 AM  
I doubt they'll do that. We all know the effectiveness of the Mexico border fence. No-flight lists that had names but no birthdate until last year, maknig sure toddlers were labeled as terrorists. Flawed too, a Canadian had his legal name changed by reversing his first and second name and never got bothered again when flying.

Canadians would never pay for a fence in the middle of the Maine woodlands. In some parts just having a van full of dark-skinned people would make police suspicious.

(And the american border patrol has started using unmanned drones by the border, often crossing into canadian airspace, but that's not a problem, right?)
 
2011-09-30 10:27:25 AM  

timujin: To keep them out or us in?


THIS. Take this sign:

i51.tinypic.com

Put a briefcase in the guy's hand and a tie flapping in the wind, and post them along highways on the Canadian side of the border.
 
2011-09-30 10:28:29 AM  
Once we've put up fences at both land borders and then put steel slabs going 5 meters deep both fences (because people dig tunnels!). Are we going to have some sort of system for shooting down airplanes that come into our air space? The cartels are using aircrafts now. Pretty soon we'll have sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads guarding the water perimeter. How dumb is this going to get?
 
2011-09-30 10:31:47 AM  
It's about time we did something to keep those Icebacks out of the US.
 
2011-09-30 10:40:03 AM  
The important thing is a fence will help us feel superior to our neighbors.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
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