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2003-09-23 01:56:47 PM
And they deserve every penny of it!
 
2003-09-23 01:56:52 PM
In other news, teachers remain underpaid.
 
2003-09-23 02:00:37 PM
Gee, I wish I got a random 11% pay hike. Bastards should get only minimum wage, with travel fees covered. Can't expect them to relate to the common man if they're living it up.
 
2003-09-23 02:00:43 PM
Here's a plan: All elected officials get gov't-run housing and facilities (as their job dictates, i.e. if you need net access, you get it) during their term. After they finish office, they get paid based on voter approval ratings.

Howzat?
 
2003-09-23 02:01:06 PM
I don't know why everyone begrudges politicians making good money. Maybe if they make a sizeable sum they won't be so tempted to take an unmarked envelope full of 100's to agree to bulldoze an ecological preserve. Overall the cost is negligable compared to the ridiculous spending we do everyday.
 
2003-09-23 02:02:50 PM
Somehow, I don't think having a lot of money makes anyone adverse to getting more, even if through underhanded means.
 
2003-09-23 02:03:06 PM
...aaaand this is news, how?
 
2003-09-23 02:03:27 PM
Maybe if they make a sizeable sum they won't be so tempted to take an unmarked envelope full of 100's to agree to bulldoze an ecological preserve.

Yeah, because we all know that it's human nature to say "nah, I'm making six figures a year, I don't need more money..."
 
j0n
2003-09-23 02:05:54 PM
Teachers aren't underpaid. They only work 180 days out of the year. Most make extra money with summer jobs.

Also, have you talked to any recent highschool graduates? Most of them are dumb as dirt. I don't think the teachers are doing their jobs. Maybe give them some more money if they actually start teaching the kids instead of just helping them memorize answers for standardized tests.
 
2003-09-23 02:06:23 PM
I haven't gotten so much as 'cost of living' in over three years.

Poopy heads.
 
2003-09-23 02:09:19 PM
And yet Richmond Avenue is still one giant continuous pothole.
 
2003-09-23 02:12:36 PM
I don't know why everyone begrudges politicians making good money.

When was the last time you got to decide for yourself how much money you make? I wouldn't begrudge the politicians either if I could just decide one day that I should be making more money, and then be able to make it happen before eating a free lunch.
 
2003-09-23 02:13:38 PM
j0n


Teachers aren't underpaid. They only work 180 days out of the year. Most make extra money with summer jobs.

Also, have you talked to any recent highschool graduates? Most of them are dumb as dirt. I don't think the teachers are doing their jobs. Maybe give them some more money if they actually start teaching the kids instead of just helping them memorize answers for standardized tests.


Supposedly, it's laughably easy to become qualified to teach. There are a million problems with the education system, lack of pay being only one of them. Parents are another, legal issues (our principal in high school had no balls whatsoever because he never wanted anyone to sue or anything). I don't think it's really bad teachers so much as lazy teachers. They complain about teaching to the test, but it's the best way we have so far to tell whether they're actually teaching the students or not.
 
2003-09-23 02:13:54 PM
It's because the voters are stupid.
 
2003-09-23 02:15:54 PM
WayToBlue

for me I begrudge them making so much money because I don't think being a politician should be a JOB. You shouldn't be able to sit in office for years collecting a salary, you should be there because you want to make a difference no matter how much you make. I don't think bribes come into the equasion at all - a politician with scruples would turn it down regardless of the size of their bank account; likewise the corrupt politician would take it no matter what.
I don't see why they need anymore money than is needed to get by - many, many people survive on way less than the average person in office...
 
2003-09-23 02:20:12 PM
Get rid of the teacher's unions and then I'll consider whether or not they need more money. I only had two teachers in all my years of schooling that actually deserved what they were already paid and actually did deserve a raise.

The most overpaid teachers on the planet are the ones in colleges. 80% of these people are no better than leeches.

It would be nice to make they money they make and still have aids teach all my classes for me for next to nothing.
 
2003-09-23 02:20:40 PM
i think there needs to be a new tag... asinine just doesnt cover this,


/"Do you smell something?"
 
2003-09-23 02:20:58 PM
11% is far too conservative, why not 20%? It just doesn't pay to be a civil servant these days.. :/
 
2003-09-23 02:22:01 PM
2003-09-23 02:05:54 PM j0n


Teachers aren't underpaid. They only work 180 days out of the year. Most make extra money with summer jobs.

Also, have you talked to any recent highschool graduates? Most of them are dumb as dirt. I don't think the teachers are doing their jobs. Maybe give them some more money if they actually start teaching the kids instead of just helping them memorize answers for standardized tests.


I think the educational system is to blame. I suggest you read "lies my teacher told me." If you can get past the thinly veiled liberalism, there's some really great commentary on the educational system as a whole.

I graduated highschool a year ago, and there are some crappy teachers, but most of them are incredibly dedicated educators who simply chose that job based on the false idea that they could make a difference in a flawed system.
 
2003-09-23 02:24:12 PM
Typical farking politicians. Here in Tennessee, we shelled out a record amount of money for a UT president that spent money like a drunken sailor during a time of so-called "budget cuts".



Just goes to show you, forking out more money to these asshat politicians does not necessarily improve the quality of what we get in office, nor does it prevent them from "take an unmarked envelope full of 100's to agree to bulldoze an ecological preserve."


Face it, until we get some good political ethics law into place that actually have teeth (big, big fines and federal pounding-in-the-ass prison time), we'll get more of the same asshats.
 
2003-09-23 02:25:36 PM
if anyone read the article they would notice that all the city officials decided NOT to take the raise.

wow what a non-story

/jus' sayin'
 
2003-09-23 02:25:54 PM
On politicians, their jobs should only be part-time anyway, if that. I don't much like the idea of paying them all day to meddle in my life or be dreaming up new ways to meddle. Go in, cast your votes on the pressing issue at hand and go home. I see no reason why we need them beyond that.

I would rather have elected officials make no money at all and just pay their expenses. I think we would have a better chance of getting people who aren't doing it for alterior motives. The people who really care and are deserving of the job are the ones who would do it for free.
 
2003-09-23 02:26:10 PM
who here didnt know that each year the senate meets and they decide on how big of a raise to give themselves..

yet another topic that will be touched upon in my book.. keep your eyes on the newstand for my masterpiece!
 
2003-09-23 02:32:32 PM
<i>2003-09-23 02:25:36 PM <b>TPerrin</b>

if anyone read the article they would notice that all the city officials decided NOT to take the raise.

wow what a non-story

/jus' sayin'</i>

Maybe <b>you</b> should RTFA, it is some, not all.

Individual officials can refuse the increase or forego a salary altogether, as some City Council members now do, but no vote at the council table is needed to get the bigger paychecks.

/emphasis would be better if I was allowed to do html
 
2003-09-23 02:33:32 PM
Again;

Stop voting. It only makes it worse.

*This notice will appear in every thread about politics until you become enlightened.*
 
2003-09-23 02:35:34 PM
AMENDMENT XXVII

Originally proposed Sept. 25, 1789. Ratified May 7, 1992.

"No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of representatives shall have intervened."


Unless you meant the state senate, but of course the article address neither.
 
2003-09-23 02:38:00 PM
DrunkenLimeyBastard

your are right I should have stated that MOST not all the city officals refused a salary at all let alone a raise.

/can still do html nyanya
 
2003-09-23 02:39:03 PM
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

/were you saying "boo" or "boo-urns"?
 
2003-09-23 02:40:18 PM
your are=you are

/argh
 
2003-09-23 02:41:42 PM
still a non-story though cause this happens everywhere
 
2003-09-23 02:44:03 PM
Yeah, don't mess with Texas.
 
2003-09-23 02:44:04 PM
Githerax


Again;

Stop voting. It only makes it worse.

*This notice will appear in every thread about politics until you become enlightened.*

Yeah, great idea. You do sound enlightened. Let's not do anything!

The problem is that people don't know how to rectify their own actions. That's why this recall in California is a bad idea. If the people of California don't have to live with the consequences of their decision, then maybe they won't think thigns through as thoroughly when the election comes around.
 
2003-09-23 02:44:35 PM
This is more reason why judical compensation should be separated from the executive and legislative branches. Read some commentary by state and federal judges. These men and women are some of the best legal minds out there and they are getting paid half to two-thirds less than they would in the private sector. We've experienced shortages of judges because of their pay scale. And the President still gets paid almost twice as much as the VP, Chief Justice, President Pro-Tempore, and Speaker of the House. Of course, that's at the federal level.


I was saying "boo-urns."
 
2003-09-23 02:45:16 PM
hm, forgot to close my tag. Public education wurked four mi!
 
2003-09-23 02:47:34 PM
hm, forgot to close my tag. Public education wurked four mi!

Yea, but you were educated in the South. Us Yankees have gooder public skools.
 
2003-09-23 02:47:34 PM
"Teachers aren't underpaid. They only work 180 days out of the year. Most make extra money with summer jobs."

Right. And they get to go home and do NOTHING else related to their job just like you do. Like grade tests, read student papers, prepare lesson plans. Such slackers.

"Also, have you talked to any recent highschool graduates? Most of them are dumb as dirt. I don't think the teachers are doing their jobs. Maybe give them some more money if they actually start teaching the kids instead of just helping them memorize answers for standardized tests."

Chances are, those students went in as dumb as dirt. Why weren't they flunked? Because the administration often make teachers change grades to passing ones so their school doesn't look bad or loose funding. Also, parents aren't even teaching their kids basic knowledge before sending their kids to school, much less teaching them how to behave. Now, they expect the schools to not only teach their kids, but to raise them as well.

And if you think teachers aren't underpaid, look at how much education it takes to become a certified teacher (not a non-certified "we'll hire you if you're breathing because no one seems to want this shiat job teaching" teacher) and how much they make as compared to their similarly-educated peers in other vocations.

As for the comments about college teachers being "leeches," I suspect you went to a school where an instructor is required to teach over 300 students at once. I'm related to three college professors (two math, one history), and they work their butts off at a small midwestern college that often ranks in the top ten for schools its size.

I often wonder if those making comments condemning educators would favor a Maoist "cultural revolution." Jeeze.
 
2003-09-23 02:49:09 PM
Bravo, Henchman!!
 
2003-09-23 02:52:02 PM
Henchman

I think it depends entirely on the situation. There are many good teachers out there. There are also a lot of shiate for brains teachers, too. I had two good teachers in high school. Two. That's farking pathetic, and I feel gypped.
 
2003-09-23 02:53:37 PM
Henchman, is "loose funding" anything like the loose change in my pocket, or did I lose you with that comment?
 
2003-09-23 02:56:53 PM
j0n Since it is a widely help belief that teachers are overpaid, please tell me another career where you go to university for 6 years, have a master's degree, and get paid USD $23,000/yr.

/Took a $2,000/year pay cut to be a teacher.
 
2003-09-23 02:56:58 PM
It's hard to take Henchman's views on education seriously when he somehow made it through school without learning the difference between "lose" and "loose"...
 
2003-09-23 02:56:58 PM
I also had very few good teachers in high school. But the few I did, they changed my life. I know they changed others' too.

We need a system that figures out who the good ones are, are reward them appropriately.
 
2003-09-23 02:57:23 PM
AcadianSidhe
Supposedly, it's laughably easy to become qualified to teach.

That would depend on what state you're in. My g/f is doing her student teaching this year here in NY to become an art teacher. There's no way in hell you can convince me the amount of work she has to do is easy, let alone "laughably easy." As of next year to teach in NYS you need a masters degree within three (used to be five) years after getting your bachelors. Factor in new certification standards etc, and it is FAR from easy to become a teacher in NY.

That being said, I hear an NYS teaching diploma is like gold anywhere else in the country. So, maybe if you live in Louisiana or something, then you have a case.

There are a million problems with the education system, lack of pay being only one of them. Parents are another, legal issues (our principal in high school had no balls whatsoever because he never wanted anyone to sue or anything). I don't think it's really bad teachers so much as lazy teachers. They complain about teaching to the test, but it's the best way we have so far to tell whether they're actually teaching the students or not.


I do, however, agree with this. I suggest everyone read The Language Police by Diane Ravitch, for some info on why are kids are so dumb these days. And hey, who'd have guessed, both the "left" and the "right" are equally to blame.
 
2003-09-23 02:58:50 PM
Ax:

before you got him he was working here a UofL. I remember everybody being sorry to see him go. Now there auditing the books for the entire time he was here.
 
2003-09-23 02:59:26 PM
Ah, sorry. "Loose" = "lose."

Sorry to hear that you had only two good teachers in high school, Acadian, but as I've maintianed, if you hold out a job that pays poorly, you'll only get the following kind of applicants:

- Poorly qualified ones.
- Ones with other sources of income (mostly via a spouse).
- The highly dedicated, for whom the low pay is worth the opportunity to teach.

I've often found others are more understanding if they're shown that what often makes an officeplace hard to work (idiots in charge) is what often makes schools bad (idiots in administration). My wife, for example, put up with a loon for a principal who (among other policies) thought pre-school teachers should come to school in formal businesswear (i.e. slacks, blouses, etc.). I saw how they had to interact with the kids. They should have been issued haz-mat suits. But, the idiots were in charge, so...
 
2003-09-23 03:01:21 PM
How dare Henchman make a spelling error when talking about education?! Build a bridge out of 'im!
 
2003-09-23 03:02:21 PM
It's a fair cop.
 
2003-09-23 03:02:45 PM
I suggest everyone read The Language Police by Diane Ravitch

I second that suggestion. Good call!
 
2003-09-23 03:03:26 PM
I think Houston's City Gov't shouldn't get pay raises..those funds should go to the city.

Houston, TX is my favorite city in the US, but regardless, it still needs lots of work. I'd take the funds for the pay raise and put them into something to encourage fat bastards to lose weight.
 
2003-09-23 03:03:31 PM
EnderPerez:

Try broadcasting. I know a lot of anchors, reporters and producers that would kill for $25k.
 
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