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(Wall Street Journal)   What you wear can influence how people perceive your race. Obviously, Members Only jackets mean you are Iranian, but the rest?   (blogs.wsj.com) divider line 61
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2011-09-27 09:05:04 AM  
This study would have been more interesting as White/Hispanic or Hispanic/Black - seeing how this is

Though, the US Government categorizes white as: A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as "White" or report entries such as Irish, German, Italian, Lebanese, Near Easterner, Arab, or Polish." Hispanic is an "Ethnicity," outside of race.

Would also be interesting to do this in the "Flyover states," especially one with large swaths of white, black, hispanic poverty. The "XX undergraduates participated.." from major US universities arent very representative for this massive chunk. These people in the experiment represent the educated elites rather than the poor, uneducated flyover people..

Also, seeing how "The economic differences among the country's various religions are strikingly large, much larger than the differences among states and even larger than those among racial groups", maybe we should do some research on this and perception.

i.imgur.com
 
2011-09-27 09:43:35 AM  
Okay, but what the hell is Vin Diesel?
 
2011-09-27 10:25:05 AM  

Sybarite: Okay, but what the hell is Vin Diesel?


A Marble-Mouthed Retardian?
 
2011-09-27 11:17:54 AM  
I try to leave my full head dress and peace pipe at home.
 
2011-09-27 11:44:06 AM  
pants on the ground
pants on the ground
 
2011-09-27 11:47:13 AM  
Wish they had added atheists, agnostics and other non-believers to that chart.
 
2011-09-27 11:48:04 AM  
Ooops, just saw "secular."
 
2011-09-27 11:48:08 AM  
When did nationalities become races? Apparently yet another consequence of the "dumbing down" of the youth.
 
2011-09-27 11:48:33 AM  
You mean when I wear my straw hat with the 6" brim, a wife beater and dirty jeans I'll be seen as a black hick?

/best disguise evar
 
2011-09-27 11:48:55 AM  

chaoswolf: Wish they had added atheists, agnostics and other non-believers to that chart.


Maybe that's "secular"...

/just sayin'; no snark
 
2011-09-27 11:49:52 AM  
chaoswolf: Wish they had added atheists, agnostics and other non-believers to that chart.

There is a secular option, slightly higher than the national average.
 
2011-09-27 11:50:50 AM  
Yea, but in real life mixed-race people are placed in certain categories more on speech and mannerisms and real cultural attributes, and not just clothing. Especially when it's clothing for one's job. Not that I don't see the point the article is trying to make..
 
2011-09-27 11:53:02 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Is that a Member's Only jacket?
Yes.
So what are you, the last member?
 
2011-09-27 11:53:13 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

It's been done.
 
2011-09-27 11:54:09 AM  
www.urbanorleans.com
 
2011-09-27 11:55:06 AM  
Oddly not done by Ric Romero.
 
2011-09-27 11:55:32 AM  
Who gives a shiat what other people think? I'll continue to wear my custom corduroy spandex at the beach!

/that's a horrible image
 
2011-09-27 11:55:41 AM  
So what does putting on my robe and wizard hat say about my race?
 
2011-09-27 11:55:57 AM  
Race is a lie.
 
2011-09-27 11:56:31 AM  
Oooohhhhh!!!
The Fall colors are in!!!
t3.gstatic.com
 
2011-09-27 11:56:37 AM  

Jamrock: Yea, but in real life mixed-race people are placed in certain categories more on speech and mannerisms and real cultural attributes,


I'm black, white, and red all over.
What's a real cultural attribute?
 
2011-09-27 11:56:38 AM  
www.ilounge.com

Button top yo. That's how I roll.
 
2011-09-27 11:56:43 AM  

Party Boy: This study would have been more interesting as White/Hispanic or Hispanic/Black - seeing how this is

Though, the US Government categorizes white as: A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as "White" or report entries such as Irish, German, Italian, Lebanese, Near Easterner, Arab, or Polish." Hispanic is an "Ethnicity," outside of race.

Would also be interesting to do this in the "Flyover states," especially one with large swaths of white, black, hispanic poverty. The "XX undergraduates participated.." from major US universities arent very representative for this massive chunk. These people in the experiment represent the educated elites rather than the poor, uneducated flyover people..

Also, seeing how "The economic differences among the country's various religions are strikingly large, much larger than the differences among states and even larger than those among racial groups", maybe we should do some research on this and perception.

[i.imgur.com image 640x461]


I noticed that Anglican/Episcopalians are the wealthiest Christians, yet those people are most likely to be WASPs which would make them most likely to be in America first.

When we talk about "founding fathers", we're not talking about Baptists.
 
2011-09-27 11:56:58 AM  
OR
farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2011-09-27 11:57:37 AM  
Hey - I had a Members Only jacket. In 1982.
 
2011-09-27 11:57:54 AM  
I find that wife beaters can be found on poor black illiterates just as often as poor white illiterates, so I'll have to think about this one.
 
2011-09-27 11:59:40 AM  
What if you wear a Nehru jacket with moon boots and a T shirt that says "No Fat Chicks".
 
2011-09-27 12:00:56 PM  

hatelabs: I find that wife beaters can be found on poor black illiterates just as often as poor white illiterates, so I'll have to think about this one.


True, but it just doesn't seem as bad on blacks. On blacks, a wife-beater looks like "Dude has no style." On whites, you start looking for the pile of beer cans on the floor of the pickup truck.
 
2011-09-27 12:03:57 PM  
I don't get all the hate on Members Only...it's totally rad to the max!
 
2011-09-27 12:04:45 PM  

Jake Havechek: What if you wear a Nehru jacket with moon boots and a T shirt that says "No Fat Chicks".


papua new guinean?
 
2011-09-27 12:07:59 PM  
In Scarborough, Ontario you can find pink, brown and tan folk dressing in the exact same manner, speaking in the exact same manner and listening to music that is almost exactly the same - sometimes in Tamil or Caribbean Patois or your average American accents.
It's like the "Gay" accent/style... made up to belong to a particular tribe. As a South Scarberian native, I can adopt or drop a homie accent at will depending on the job. Construction? Homie. Writing? CBC English.

Some Farkers see my photo and think "White". Some think "Black". Both think they're right, and both think everyone would agree with them. "Race" is a team-building construct, an Us Or Them stratification designed to build an orthodoxy that people with poor self-esteem can rally around.

If you have nothing else in life, at least you have your "race", right? RIGHT?
 
2011-09-27 12:10:04 PM  
Feverishly looking for his Members Only jacket, Max Headroom begins to sweat.
 
2011-09-27 12:10:21 PM  

Jake Havechek: What if you wear a Nehru jacket with moon boots and a T shirt that says "No Fat Chicks".


You still live in your mom's basement.
 
2011-09-27 12:14:36 PM  

funmonger: Some Farkers see my photo and think "White". Some think "Black".


I saw a picture of some dude. Am I doin it right?
 
2011-09-27 12:17:31 PM  

mightybaldking: So what does putting on my robe and wizard hat say about my race?


That it's full of genetic defects. Or you're Canadianese.
 
2011-09-27 12:17:58 PM  

chaoswolf: funmonger: Some Farkers see my photo and think "White". Some think "Black".

I saw a picture of some dude. Am I doin it right?


I saw a reverse trap.
I am probably doing it wrong.
 
2011-09-27 12:20:27 PM  
+11 subby. Greatest headline evar.
 
2011-09-27 12:26:52 PM  

Headso: Jake Havechek: What if you wear a Nehru jacket with moon boots and a T shirt that says "No Fat Chicks".

papua new guinean?


N'guinna please!
 
2011-09-27 12:41:21 PM  
abagond.files.wordpress.com


/ wigga, pleeze!
 
2011-09-27 12:49:17 PM  
mightybaldking


hatelabs: I find that wife beaters can be found on poor black illiterates just as often as poor white illiterates, so I'll have to think about this one.

True, but it just doesn't seem as bad on blacks. On blacks, a wife-beater looks like "Dude has no style." On whites, you start looking for the pile of beer cans on the floor of the pickup truck.


That cracked me up!

Race? Hmmm. I saw this kid walking down the road the other day, in 90+ degree heat, wearing a black 'vampire' coat that reached nearly to his feet, black boots, black jeans and a black shirt. He was white -- I think.

Now, whenever I spot folks wearing parachute pants, those baggy, below the knee shorts or the baggy, draggy jeans I instantly think of blacks.

Guys wearing the old style undershirt tend to remind me of Hispanics. Even though, back in the 40's and 50's, white folks of the inner city sported them mainly.

Big, gaudy sneakers remind me of blacks. Big, gaudy sneakers that look like they were designed by the guy who did the set for Alien remind me of white yuppies. Sandals, shorts and polo shorts remind me of yuppies also.

Now, I grew up when movies showed women from India dressed in colorful, wrap around dresses and the ladies were portrayed as being beautiful and exotic. When I worked around a neighborhood that had a high incidence of folks from India, I discovered it to be true -- aside from the beautiful and exotic part. They leaned more towards the homely and ugly.

During the same time period, I grew up seeing beautiful and exotic Mexican women dressed in flowing skirts of many colors. In real life I found them dressed like white trash, in odd colored shorts and blouses, short of stature and usually kinda fat and plain looking.

There's an advertisement on TV for a roll out canvass sunshade where the overly cheerful lady is dressed in pink and green. Her husband wears dress pants and a high end pull-over shirt. I instantly think of white 'preppies'.

I haven't decided what to classify the short, usually very hairy, dark skinned, balding, older man with a huge pot belly, wearing plumb-smugglers and flip flops on the beaches as he smoked cigars and spoke loudly. White New Yorker comes to mind.

Anyone wearing kind of baggy, out of style clothing, with olive skin usually brings 'terrorist' to mind.

Shorts, baseball cap, sneakers and an oversized jersey remind me of a white something. Usually a red neck.

Someone dressed in 'traditional, foreign clothing' tends to remind me of a racist. Especially any style from Africa.

Camouflaged or military style clothing usually, to me, equals white survivalists, separatists or hunters.

Oversized T-shirts remind me of Hispanic or Black gang members.

Note, though, I've noticed that the styles and stereotypes are pretty well generated by the entertainment media.

The fat white guy, dressed in a pull over shirt, wearing a plaid button down, open, jeans or baggy short pants and sneakers reminds me of a dumb, car loving, beer loving sports fanatic redneck who gets obsessive about BBQing on an outdoor grill. Usually a HUGE one. He'll also probably have a bass boat that cost nearly as much as his SUV.

Wearing a 'do' rag reminds me of bikers and gang members.
 
2011-09-27 01:00:23 PM  
An even bigger factor than clothing is who you are with.
 
2011-09-27 01:08:29 PM  
I misread that chart as a graph of various religion's favourite colour.

Oddly enough, my favourite religions matched my favourite colours: yellow and pale green--Buddhists and Unitarians.

I can't stand Magenta or Microsoft (Cobalt) Blue but fortunately, no religions match those.
 
2011-09-27 01:09:49 PM  

Devil's Playground: OR
[farm4.static.flickr.com image 500x375]


Whiggers not clear on the concept.

*Probably not clear on a lot of concepts.
 
2011-09-27 01:12:07 PM  

Jake Havechek: What if you wear a Nehru jacket with moon boots and a T shirt that says "No Fat Chicks".


Lunch at the Sheperds of Good Hope Mission on Tuesdays?
 
2011-09-27 01:22:16 PM  
Slippers, leather: Muslim, possibly African

Slippers, Chinese: Chinese, elderly; weirdo, young.

White leather shoes: Muslim, African, Italian

Grey leather shoes: Above, plus French

Brown leather shoes with blue suit: Suit, most likely not WASP unless he knows that the Prince of Wales, later King Edward VIII made this acceptable in the 1930s. In which case his bottom waistcoat button will be unbuttoned because the Prince of Wales, later Edward VII was too fat to button all of his waistcoat buttons.

Black or oxblood shoes: WASP, a suit of any race.

Blue suede shoes: Elvis fan, infra dig

Pale green tassel loafers: I have never seen or heard of pale green tassel loafers. But if you can pull it off, let me know.
 
2011-09-27 01:27:33 PM  

Sybarite: Okay, but what the hell is Vin Diesel?


New Yorker, Black, Irish, Italian. Born to play Bender B. Rodriquez in the live action version of Futurama. Wooooooooooooo!


According to a BET article on him, "He doesn't like to get too specific about his background. He's Italian and a lot of other things" One of his fan clubs says, "His father is black. His mother is Irish, and he's also got some Dominican, Mexican, German and Italian thrown in." It seems that nobody knows for sure. He does admit that he is multiracial though. He has acted in movies such as Saving Private Ryan, Boiler Room and Pitch Black.

http://www.mixedfolks.com/actors.htm


Scary fan site: The Many Eyes of Vin Diesel:

http://members.tripod.com/Gracie_D/index.htm
 
2011-09-27 01:31:37 PM  

brantgoose: Pale green tassel loafers: I have never seen or heard of pale green tassel loafers. But if you can pull it off, let me know.


There's much worse looking footwear out there. Trust me. (^)
 
2011-09-27 01:32:38 PM  
I can see this.

If I see a dark skinned guy with black hair who is wearing black jeans sagging down to his knees, a baseball cap that floats on top of his head and is turned to the side, and one of those t-shirts showing a popular cartoon character dressed up in bling (say, Daffy Duck as a gangsta), I'd probably assume he was Hispanic, even though he may very well be of Asian descent.

Man, I can't wait for gangsta to go out of style...
 
2011-09-27 01:34:46 PM  
I'm mixed race, but I guess I dress white enough not to scare folk.
 
2011-09-27 01:48:35 PM  
When I lived in Spain, I got this a lot. If I wore my usual clothes (nice blouse, jeans or a skirt, and sneakers or flats) people would address me/treat me as a native, and since I was in a university town, either student or TA. On weekends, when I traveled and wore t-shirts, hiking sneakers, and carried my backpack, people would think "tourist from within Spain" or "geeky tourist". But I usually got pegged as being either from Spain or of Hispanic descent, and got compliments from random old ladies (as well as my host family) on how nice and pale I was.

Here in the US, I still get that TA/geek distinction, but when I speak Spanish, I still get classified as 'Spanish, possibly a foreign student". When I speak English I'm "nerd, probably white but not sure". It's also weird how 'pale' in Spain makes me darker than a lot of the Anglo/Nordic people I know, including my girlfriend.

\olive-skinned, brown eyes, short/curvy, auburn hair
\\Not Hispanic at all, afaik. Mom's Irish/Dutch/German/British, biological father was....probably mostly Anglo but could pass for Spaniard or pale Cuban
\\\ My name is 100% Anglo, though.
 
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