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2011-09-26 02:12:49 PM

PlatinumDragon: Well, at least the banks were recapitalized, and no one on Wall Street had to forgo a bonus, so the TARP bridge loans and the AIG bailout worked. Off to Europe for the next round of hitting the reset button for capitalists!

Can't give the same kind of free money to working-class people, though. They'll probably just spend it on food and paying down debt instead of sinking it into the stock market via investment banks and hoping for big short-term profits. Giving money to non-investors is socialism, and we can't have that.


You're forgetting that the majority of the TARP loans have been paid back, and there remains a decent possibility that the taxpayer makes a direct profit on the program, not counting the billions in tax dollars and millions of jobs saved by not letting the financial system completely implode.

If we just gave it out to individuals we wouldn't get a cent back, at least directly.

TARP was the best investment the US government has made since at least WWII.
 
2011-09-26 02:13:58 PM

sweetmelissa31: hailin: Hell meat is starting to get pricey. Even though I hate the idea of killing anything my husband and I are considering going out with our friends this fall to hunt for wild game and they are going to show us how to butcher ourselves to save the $200 processing fee. If it means us being able to eat and not go over the food budget I've set I'm willing to get a little blood on my hands.

Vegetables exist.


Well yes, that is what food eats.
 
2011-09-26 02:14:05 PM
luckyeddie
The trouble is, the only people who can see what you are saying are intelligent - and they would never vote Republican anyway. The GOP will continue to attract those they always have attracted - the bullies, the thugs, the greedy and the stupid.

They only have power over us because we have a stupid farking political system in which we're forced to give a fark what they think! Are you going to get organized, or sit on the internet biatching about those mean ol' Republicans who took your lunch money?
 
2011-09-26 02:15:40 PM

letrole: I have worn the same clothes for fifteen years.


Me to. The only difference is that I made mine myself.

Protip: You can get THREE years of salary in the bank, if all your meat comes from squirrels that you kill in the park! (with a golf club you got at a garage sale)
 
2011-09-26 02:15:50 PM
What this economy needs is a good war to get it...oh wait...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cox%27s_Army - not the first time the unemployed have gathered en masse to vent their frustrations in America.
 
2011-09-26 02:16:43 PM

Nadie_AZ: Goddess of Atheism: From TFA: Jonathan was thrilled when he found a job doing event security, but the work was sporadic. Other employers turned him down. He thought it might have to do with the tattoos covering his arms, a relic of his music industry days. When a young boy admired them in the hallway, he snapped: "I regret every single one."

Um, y'know, even though you can't afford laser tattoo removal right now, you CAN wear a long-sleeved shirt to hide your tattoos. Have you tried wearing long sleeves to any of these job interviews?

Let me add to this:

I worked as a security guard right before college for a summer. I was the only guy in the lower ranks who did not have tattoos. This was in the early 90s. So I don't buy that reasoning.

But you are right about wearing long sleeves to an interview.


Yeah, from other things in the story I strongly suspect his inability to find a job has far more to do with his attitude than his tattoos; getting kicked out of free housing for "not following the rules" suggests a monstrously entitled attitude.

But even assuming the tats are the problem, as I said, just wear long sleeves. (Which is a good job-interview idea even if you are tattoo-free; long sleeves are generally considered more "professional" than short, however irrational that is.)

And this annoys me because there really ARE lots of people poor through no fault of their own, yet the media keeps its focus on people who are poor because they're irresponsible idiots, which makes it much easier for others to say "Well, this proves ALL poor people got that way because they're idiots, so we need not help poor people at all."
 
2011-09-26 02:16:45 PM

Cortez the Killer: It is easier to be fat these days when you're poor because the cheapest food is the worst thing for your wasteline/health.


Last night I cooked up a stuffed (pinwheel) pork loin with a apple-cherry mix. For $35 I'm going to get a total of 16 meals out of it. 4 dinners and lunches for 2 people. 35/16=$2.19 per meal per person. It's a lot better for you than junk food and fills you up better on less.

Poor people are fat because they eat crap. Not because good food is more expensive. All you need to do is be smart enough and motivated enough to do some decent cooking. But that means less time for video games and texting so that'll never happen
 
2011-09-26 02:16:55 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: PlatinumDragon: Well, at least the banks were recapitalized, and no one on Wall Street had to forgo a bonus, so the TARP bridge loans and the AIG bailout worked. Off to Europe for the next round of hitting the reset button for capitalists!

Can't give the same kind of free money to working-class people, though. They'll probably just spend it on food and paying down debt instead of sinking it into the stock market via investment banks and hoping for big short-term profits. Giving money to non-investors is socialism, and we can't have that.


You're forgetting that the majority of the TARP loans have been paid back, and there remains a decent possibility that the taxpayer makes a direct profit on the program, not counting the billions in tax dollars and millions of jobs saved by not letting the financial system completely implode.

If we just gave it out to individuals we wouldn't get a cent back, at least directly.

TARP was the best investment the US government has made since at least WWII.


TARP was, not so much the stimulus, sad to say. I wish I could feel we got something substantial out of that. I dunno, hire a million Americans to build a replica of the Great Wall of China along the US/Mexico border. (Its not RACIST, its the awesomest tourist trap you could ever see from space.) Or, I dunno, repair all the shiatty infrastructure like we were promised. Hell, I'd dance if they raised taxes to bury our utility infrastructure. At least that way my wife would stop knocking the side view mirror against the telephone poll at the end of the driveway.
 
2011-09-26 02:17:16 PM
"Well, to be fair the doctors told her she had a medical condition that would keep her from having anymore children. If a doctor told me that I would probably ditch my birth control which costs me $406 a year especially if I was hard up for money."

After my son was born, I got a vasectomy even though the now ex-wife said she went back on the pill. Can't be too safe, ya know. Sorry to hear she got pregnant, but a babby doesn't come out of thin air
 
2011-09-26 02:17:29 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I don't suppose any of these people were CEOs, particularly the CEOs of financial institutions?

(clicks on link)

Close, kinda; one of them "made up to $360,000 a year brokering sales and loans and providing mobile notary services."

Too bad none of the broke people are named Fuld, Mozilo or Blankfein. I'm guessing those names will never appear in a story about economic hardship.


Because those guys knew enough to save some of their income rather than blow it all and go into ridiculous debt. Blankfein, of course, knew enough not to let his firm bet the ranch on mortgage debt.
 
2011-09-26 02:18:56 PM

hailin: It goes without saying though most people having trouble in this economy put themselves in that position with bad choices and frivolous spending.


Too bad you are wrong.

We played by the rules. We worked hard, saved what we could, bought a house that was within our budget. I was fired without cause. Mrs. was fired without cause. When I couldn't find a job, I tried selling cars. I delivered phone books. I took part-time temp jobs. In the meantime, our (previously affordable) expenses piled up. Countrywide fast-tracked our house for foreclosure at the first sign of trouble. We sold everything of value, cashed out all savings and retirement just to survive and lost the house anyway.

Five years later and we still have to worry about having enough gas to get to work until the next paycheck. Never mind the impact the whole episode has had on our children, who are also having trouble finding jobs. No college for them.
 
2011-09-26 02:20:55 PM

atomsmoosher: Debeo Summa Credo: PlatinumDragon: Well, at least the banks were recapitalized, and no one on Wall Street had to forgo a bonus, so the TARP bridge loans and the AIG bailout worked. Off to Europe for the next round of hitting the reset button for capitalists!

Can't give the same kind of free money to working-class people, though. They'll probably just spend it on food and paying down debt instead of sinking it into the stock market via investment banks and hoping for big short-term profits. Giving money to non-investors is socialism, and we can't have that.


You're forgetting that the majority of the TARP loans have been paid back, and there remains a decent possibility that the taxpayer makes a direct profit on the program, not counting the billions in tax dollars and millions of jobs saved by not letting the financial system completely implode.

If we just gave it out to individuals we wouldn't get a cent back, at least directly.

TARP was the best investment the US government has made since at least WWII.

TARP was, not so much the stimulus, sad to say. I wish I could feel we got something substantial out of that. I dunno, hire a million Americans to build a replica of the Great Wall of China along the US/Mexico border. (Its not RACIST, its the awesomest tourist trap you could ever see from space.) Or, I dunno, repair all the shiatty infrastructure like we were promised. Hell, I'd dance if they raised taxes to bury our utility infrastructure. At least that way my wife would stop knocking the side view mirror against the telephone poll at the end of the driveway.


Personally, I think the stimulus was worthwhile. Simple keynesian economcs dictates that increased governmental spending is the prescription when we're in a demand caused recession, like right now. I agree that it wasn't the clear cut self financing home run that TARP was.
 
2011-09-26 02:22:04 PM

Pick: Boy, for "poor people" those folks sure are fat. If you look at pictures during the Great Depression, you could tell folks really really had a hard time finding a meal. They were ALL quite skinny. Not in this day and age. Look at all the tub 'o lards in the checkout line with food stamps and WIC cards. Going hungry for a couple of months might do them some good.


You can be fat and still malnourished. In fact being fat is more linked with poverty than being underweight. Cheap foods are often high in fat and low in nutritional density.
 
2011-09-26 02:22:28 PM

Pocket Ninja: And yet there remain those soulless bastards among us who still wish to deny the rich a tax cut.


Are they the same soulless bastards that bring a baby into the world when they are already homeless and think it is the responsibility of others to take care of and provide for it?
 
2011-09-26 02:22:57 PM

I Said: I do not have any sympathy for someone who loses everything as a result of a poor economy and massive fraud by major corporations, but continues to vote republican. We can't help you if you refuse to help yourself.


Because the Democrat that was voted in is doing such a bang up job.

Head/Out of ass/rinse/repeat.

/you're an idiot
 
2011-09-26 02:25:00 PM

green4mice: I was laid off for 15 months, so I'm getting a kick...
/Really, 15 months. First 13 i had NO interviews, calls, interests, etc.
//after month 6 I was already applying for jobs I never saw myself doing
///went from a drafting desk job to a "water mitigation technician"


I hope you got sorted.

Last year, I was totally disabled and housebound. Naturally, I was unemployed and pretty well unemployable, so for the best part of 9 months I existed on around £100 a week (which included my disability living allowance - previously I had been used to earning £1,000 a week, and had the normal outgoings you would associate with such an income). I did a tiny bit of consultancy work from home, but that soon dried up. Who wants to take advice from a cripple? The disabled can't think for themselves, you know.

Eventually, I got my hip replacement operation and three weeks later (onj crutches) I returned to work as a business analyst. Yes, it was my body that was disabled, not my farking mind.

I really feel for the poor bastards who get the carpet pulled from underneath them, because I've been there. It's no fun being ignored.
 
2011-09-26 02:25:37 PM

RanDomino: manimal2878
... or does not vote at all.

"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."


Maybe you haven't noticed all the new laws since the last election to disenfranchise certain types of voter, but that is exactly what they are doing.
 
2011-09-26 02:29:03 PM

I Said: I do not have any sympathy for someone who loses everything as a result of a poor economy and massive fraud by major corporations, but continues to vote republican. We can't help you if you refuse to help yourself.


Why don't you help them with your own money? There is no law against it. Better yet you can use the governments monopoly power of force the make them allow you to help them.
 
2011-09-26 02:29:08 PM
Keep hating on the poors, you fools.

The millionaires are counting on you.
 
2011-09-26 02:29:30 PM
Supposedly men are, in general, better at logic and rational thinking than women.

Yet, how many stories have we heard where they "fail to provide" for a family and "feel like failures". And the first thing they do is ditch the family and leave them to starve. Since obviously having failed to provide (well, at least half the bills, right?) they should make sure that the family is stuck will *all* of the bills. That will make the family successful somehow.

Any adult (man or woman) who honestly believes that, needs to be punched in the head. Then they'll have a reason for their stupidity.
 
2011-09-26 02:30:54 PM

cryinoutloud: namatad: oh yes, and my favorite part, why do you still have a dog?
sorry, but pets are luxury items.
sucks to be you and your pet ...

I'd keep my dog. I spend about $10 a month to feed my dog, and it is well worth it. My dog has been my friend during all kinds of trouble, and if I have to sleep in my car, my dog will stay right there with me, no complaints. Dog food is a small price to pay for keeping my mental shiat together.


crap
10$ a month feeding your dog.
even I cant complain about that.

you KNOW that that biatch with the husband lost his job but I am not going to work dog, is feeding her dog iams or better and spending 2-500 a month on dog food and grooming.

but yah
the REAL point is that people complain but dont actually cut back ...
cable? dont need it.
internet? yah you really need it, I guess if things got REALLY bad you could use starbucks internet to submit resumes
wife and sons smartphones with data plans? I am sure they cant live without them ...
the list goes on to include the other 7000$ a month expenses which they did not need.
 
2011-09-26 02:31:01 PM
theinfosphere.org
The only poor people I want to hear about are the people who tend to my pores at the spa.
 
2011-09-26 02:31:07 PM

Bob16: If you really believed in "family values" you would never be in favor of market fundamentalism.

But cons really don't give a shiat about family values.


Which family value is that not having children you cannot personally afford?
 
2011-09-26 02:31:59 PM

rudemix: I Said: Nice thread. Only people with money should have babies. Good to know.

-Abortion is wrong
-Medical care is a privilege, not a right, and you need to pay for it
-Don't have babies if you're poor because you can't afford it

Basically: Poor people should abstain from sex and quite frankly if they'd have the good sense to just die we wouldn't have all these pesky taxes that keep society afloat.

That should be the new GOP slogan.

Poor people should abstain from unprotected sex.


Poor people should be neutered.
 
2011-09-26 02:32:17 PM

rudemix: FTA:Staring resolutely ahead, a heavily pregnant Veronica Long

Had to stop reading there, which was good because it was the first sentence. When you're homeless having a baby (unless you are doing so to eat it) is never good planning. Not to say the imploding economy didn't hurt, but bank some money, don't spend a lot of it on tattoos and when you're broke, don't get pregnant.


FTFA: (She thought she couldn't have more children because of a medical condition.)

/it's like being sterilized and then having one more anyway.
 
2011-09-26 02:33:32 PM

RanDomino: luckyeddie
The trouble is, the only people who can see what you are saying are intelligent - and they would never vote Republican anyway. The GOP will continue to attract those they always have attracted - the bullies, the thugs, the greedy and the stupid.

They only have power over us because we have a stupid farking political system in which we're forced to give a fark what they think! Are you going to get organized, or sit on the internet biatching about those mean ol' Republicans who took your lunch money?


I'm in the UK, and don't actually give much thought about the Republicans until I log on to Fark. I have, however, been a card-carrying member of the Liberal party over here - but I'm a little disillusioned now they've got into bed with our own right-wingers.

Saying that, many of our right-wingers (the Conservatives) are still to the left of many of your Democrats. I don't think I could live in America without getting involved politically. You'd probably call me a Commie, but really my politics are centre-left by European standards. I don't consider myself to be a socialist really.
 
2011-09-26 02:33:46 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Personally, I think the stimulus was worthwhile. Simple keynesian economcs dictates that increased governmental spending is the prescription when we're in a demand caused recession, like right now. I agree that it wasn't the clear cut self financing home run that TARP was.


Perhaps if it were enacted in a reasonable, cautious manner and not a wild-rush money grab as it seems to have been. I could be certainly wrong, and I hope I am, but ARRA doesn't seem as straightforward and as transparent as they want us to believe. Not to get all conspiracy-y. I spoiled on it after hearing that Recovery.org (which isn't a gov't website, but a political one) was misreporting data, which necessitated at $9.5 million overhaul. That doesn't inspire me.
 
2011-09-26 02:34:27 PM

chiefsfaninkc: Which family value is that not having children you cannot personally afford?


What if you could afford them before, but circumstances have changed through no fault of your own? Drop them off at the pound?

Idiot.
 
2011-09-26 02:35:15 PM

Flatulent_Flea:

We played by the rules. We worked hard, saved what we could, bought a house that was within our budget. I was fired without cause. Mrs. was fired without cause. When I couldn't find a job, I tried selling cars. I delivered phone books. I took part-time temp jobs. In the meantime, our (previously affordable) expenses piled up. Countrywide fast-tracked our house for foreclosure at the first sign of trouble. We sold everything of value, cashed out all savings and retirement just to survive and lost the house anyway.

Five years later and we still have to worry about having enough gas to get to work until the next paycheck. Never mind the impact the whole episode has had on our children, who are also having trouble finding jobs. No college for them.


Not to make light of your troubles, but that's what you get for playing by the rules. You expected jobs to take care of you. When you take a job, you are signing up to become a tool for someone else. When a tool loses it's usefulness, you throw it out.

Your relationship with your employer is the exact same relationship your car has with you.

The basic philosophy behind those "rich dad poor dad" books is that jobs are a means to a financial end, not the end itself. No matter how highly paid you are, your life can be upended with 2 little words "you're fired." Investments are the only way to quit being a wage slave.

Yes, its hard to invest when times are tough. But it has to be done. It's literally the only way.
 
2011-09-26 02:35:41 PM
just when I think I have had all I can take with my job I am reminded just how fortunate I, my wife and baby boy are. Thanks for this, sorry for those who are without right now.
 
2011-09-26 02:35:44 PM

Death_Poot: "Well, to be fair the doctors told her she had a medical condition that would keep her from having anymore children. If a doctor told me that I would probably ditch my birth control which costs me $406 a year especially if I was hard up for money."

After my son was born, I got a vasectomy even though the now ex-wife said she went back on the pill. Can't be too safe, ya know. Sorry to hear she got pregnant, but a babby doesn't come out of thin air


after I read that the tard got pregnant I just stopped reading. did she abort because they couldnt afford yet another kid or did they have the kid making matters even worse?

/excuse me, but if you are having sex but not responsible enough to take care of BC, you certainly are not responsible enough to be having children. shudder
 
2011-09-26 02:38:01 PM

Magnanimous_J:
Yes, its hard to invest when times are tough. But it has to be done. It's literally the only way.


You are a fool who reads poorly. We had investments. You can't eat them.

Self-righteous and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
 
2011-09-26 02:38:11 PM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: just when I think I have had all I can take with my job I am reminded just how fortunate I, my wife and baby boy are. Thanks for this, sorry for those who are without right now.


THIS

while I am lucky enough to LOVE my job and am not WORRIED about losing it, I still can not imagine being unemployed.

/the plan is: if I lose my job I am moving to asia to teach ESL. but then again, no wife and no kids ...
 
2011-09-26 02:38:42 PM

Flatulent_Flea: chiefsfaninkc: Which family value is that not having children you cannot personally afford?

What if you could afford them before, but circumstances have changed through no fault of your own? Drop them off at the pound?

Idiot.


Sorry you are wrong there a plenty of jobs to be had I had four jobs at one point in the last year only working 2 now. to many idiots think that the should only need to have one job to survive. When in fact you have as many as it takes for you to provide for yourself and your family. Why because I feel it is my responsibility to provide for my family not someone else's.

Others feel it is better to be a mooch which one are you?

DA
 
2011-09-26 02:41:00 PM

chiefsfaninkc: Sorry you are wrong there a plenty of jobs to be had I had four jobs at one point in the last year only working 2 now. to many idiots think that the should only need to have one job to survive. When in fact you have as many as it takes for you to provide for yourself and your family. Why because I feel it is my responsibility to provide for my family not someone else's.

Others feel it is better to be a mooch which one are you?

DA



How does one find four simultaneous jobs that don't require functional knowledge of the rules of written grammar for the English language?
 
2011-09-26 02:41:37 PM

calm like a bomb: You should've checked her profile. She's in Montana, where the cost of living is quite low and "entertainment" is "watching buffaloes fark on a Friday night."


it isn't quite that bad. And if you're broke, it doesn't really matter how much entertainment is out there, does it? You can't afford it.

My mortgage is $250 a month, and that's how I keep a roof over my head. I will gladly put up with the lack of good jobs here for the advantage of living in a place where I'm not being driven bat-shiat insane by living in a rat maze. Every time I read Fark, I thank somebody that I don't live where you all live.
 
2011-09-26 02:41:47 PM

Magnanimous_J: You expected jobs to take care of you.


I need to explain my anger. This is where you are a farktard. I was pushed out because I was considered "old" at FORTY-SIX.
 
2011-09-26 02:42:14 PM

calm like a bomb: chiefsfaninkc: Sorry you are wrong there a plenty of jobs to be had I had four jobs at one point in the last year only working 2 now. to many idiots think that the should only need to have one job to survive. When in fact you have as many as it takes for you to provide for yourself and your family. Why because I feel it is my responsibility to provide for my family not someone else's.

Others feel it is better to be a mooch which one are you?

DA


How does one find four simultaneous jobs that don't require functional knowledge of the rules of written grammar for the English language?


Hand, blow, rim and foot, I believe, but to be honest, you can only do three of those at the same time.
 
2011-09-26 02:42:32 PM

luckyeddie: green4mice: I was laid off for 15 months, so I'm getting a kick...
/Really, 15 months. First 13 i had NO interviews, calls, interests, etc.
//after month 6 I was already applying for jobs I never saw myself doing
///went from a drafting desk job to a "water mitigation technician"

I hope you got sorted.

Last year, I was totally disabled and housebound. Naturally, I was unemployed and pretty well unemployable, so for the best part of 9 months I existed on around £100 a week (which included my disability living allowance - previously I had been used to earning £1,000 a week, and had the normal outgoings you would associate with such an income). I did a tiny bit of consultancy work from home, but that soon dried up. Who wants to take advice from a cripple? The disabled can't think for themselves, you know.

Eventually, I got my hip replacement operation and three weeks later (onj crutches) I returned to work as a business analyst. Yes, it was my body that was disabled, not my farking mind.

I really feel for the poor bastards who get the carpet pulled from underneath them, because I've been there. It's no fun being ignored.


Eventually? Why so long?

/I am waiting for the right doc to do both of mine, have not found one that I trust yet.
//will continue to walk funny and munch ibuprofen (with lots of water...) until then.
 
2011-09-26 02:43:36 PM

cryinoutloud: calm like a bomb: You should've checked her profile. She's in Montana, where the cost of living is quite low and "entertainment" is "watching buffaloes fark on a Friday night."

it isn't quite that bad. And if you're broke, it doesn't really matter how much entertainment is out there, does it? You can't afford it.

My mortgage is $250 a month, and that's how I keep a roof over my head. I will gladly put up with the lack of good jobs here for the advantage of living in a place where I'm not being driven bat-shiat insane by living in a rat maze. Every time I read Fark, I thank somebody that I don't live where you all live.


Actually, I'd love to live in MT. I could find work, but wifey's job can't be found out there. As soon as I figure out how to kill her and still collect the insurance, I'm calling Uhaul.
 
2011-09-26 02:44:22 PM

chiefsfaninkc: Sorry you are wrong there a plenty of jobs to be had I had four jobs at one point in the last year only working 2 now.


Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

Handjobs, blowjobs and taking it up the ass doesn't count as four different jobs.
 
2011-09-26 02:44:42 PM

atomsmoosher: calm like a bomb: chiefsfaninkc: Sorry you are wrong there a plenty of jobs to be had I had four jobs at one point in the last year only working 2 now. to many idiots think that the should only need to have one job to survive. When in fact you have as many as it takes for you to provide for yourself and your family. Why because I feel it is my responsibility to provide for my family not someone else's.

Others feel it is better to be a mooch which one are you?

DA


How does one find four simultaneous jobs that don't require functional knowledge of the rules of written grammar for the English language?

Hand, blow, rim and foot, I believe, but to be honest, you can only do three of those at the same time.


I think the Rusty Trombone counts as 2.5, so you could at least come close.
 
2011-09-26 02:46:19 PM

calm like a bomb:

How does one find four simultaneous jobs that don't require functional knowledge of the rules of written grammar for the English language?

Hand, blow, rim and foot, I believe, but to be honest, you can only do three of those at the same time.

I think the Rusty Trombone counts as 2.5, so you could at least come close.


Hell, someone did that to me I'd come far.
 
2011-09-26 02:47:36 PM

Flatulent_Flea: Magnanimous_J: You expected jobs to take care of you.

I need to explain my anger. This is where you are a farktard. I was pushed out because I was considered "old" at FORTY-SIX.


It's unfortunate, man, it really is. However, if you were 46 when this happened and you cashed out your retirement funds and still couldn't pay off your "affordable" mortgage, then it wasn't affordable. Or your priorities were out of whack. But, hey, no one is perfect and it does sound like a perfect shiat-storm you went through. I hope things turn around.
 
2011-09-26 02:48:07 PM

atomsmoosher: calm like a bomb:

How does one find four simultaneous jobs that don't require functional knowledge of the rules of written grammar for the English language?

Hand, blow, rim and foot, I believe, but to be honest, you can only do three of those at the same time.

I think the Rusty Trombone counts as 2.5, so you could at least come close.

Hell, someone did that to me I'd come far.


Realized I'd punned after I hit post. Was wondering how that would play out. Nicely done.
 
2011-09-26 02:49:16 PM

I Said: Contrabulous Flabtraption: I Said: Nice thread. Only people with money should have babies. Good to know.


Only people with enough money to care for themselves and their children without government assistance should have babies. Is that better?

No. It isn't. Especially when the right wants to outright ban abortion as well.


And especially since it takes 20yrs to raise a kid (on average).

When you're deciding to start a family (and have the funds to do so, like these people did before the recession) What crystal ball do you have that *guarantees* you 20 years of prosperity?

/same goes for the idiots who say you shouldn't get a dog or cat if you can't provide for it for it's entire life
//sure I can right *now*
///but with all the shiat that's happened in the past couple years the only people who should have pets and kids (according to these people) are the Gates family and others of their ilk.
// ::loads hunting rifle:: Okay, who's dog is up first? It's the only responsible thing to do after all.
 
2011-09-26 02:50:26 PM

Flatulent_Flea: Magnanimous_J: You expected jobs to take care of you.

I need to explain my anger. This is where you are a farktard. I was pushed out because I was considered "old" at FORTY-SIX.


Maybe you were pushed out because of your obvious anger issues, and tendency to lash out at people.

Anyway, your just proving my point. You expected that your employer would consider you valuable forever. You were clearly mistaken. Instead of using the income from your job to build a secure future for yourself, you relied on the job to be a permanent source of income. You were clearly mistaken.

I'm pretty liberal, and would love to see some heads roll down Wall Street, but you are responsible for your own life. Is it fair what happened to you? No. But the only one can make your situation better is you. Get used to that idea.
 
2011-09-26 02:50:50 PM

frankencj: Eventually? Why so long?

/I am waiting for the right doc to do both of mine, have not found one that I trust yet.
//will continue to walk funny and munch ibuprofen (with lots of water...) until then.


I had swine flu which nearly killed me, then as soon as I was recovering from that, I went down with deep vein thrombosis. They wouldn't operate until I had finished my heparin/warfarin treatment.

Best of luck - it will change your life. I'm just over a year now since having a meccano hip, and I'm thinking of taking up tenpin bowling again. I doubt I'll average 200+ again, but just to be able to compete in a league will be a great boost to my psyche.
 
2011-09-26 02:51:29 PM
The Longs are the definition of white trash. The Petersons are simply clueless suburbanites who had never known hardship before. The Tuckers are just working class poor.

Nothing to see here, move along.
 
2011-09-26 02:53:46 PM

Flatulent_Flea: Five years later and we still have to worry about having enough gas to get to work until the next paycheck. Never mind the impact the whole episode has had on our children, who are also having trouble finding jobs. No college for them.



how about the military? worked out great for me.
 
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