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2011-09-26 06:49:55 AM
So, we have cops with sound cannons, tanks, and now anti aircraft missiles!

I guess the Posse Comitatus becomes pretty moot when the cops are as well armed as the farking army. Let's just give every cop a suitcase nuke while we're at it, just to be super safe!

/it's for your protection, citizen, move along, and don't even think about taking our picture!
 
2011-09-26 06:52:08 AM
It's the geese. Don't you remember the "Miracle on the Hudson"? That was a test.

They have a crack team of highly trained suicide geese.

They tried pigeons, but they aren't large enough. So they tried two pigeons taped together. They couldn't fly fast enough. So geese it is.
 
2011-09-26 06:54:58 AM

CeroX: If i remember correctly, wasn't there an article here on fark a while back about NY and LA getting reaper drones, and everyone flipping out about them spying on citizens?

Seems to me an MQ-9 might have the capability to bring down an airliner. It's not like an airliner has the dexterity of an f-16 or anything... I'm sure the "pilots" could get a missile lock on a 747...


or they could just scrabble some F-16's. I assure you they can do that much quicker than they can get a drone in the air
 
2011-09-26 06:55:35 AM

stolenlogin: CeroX: If i remember correctly, wasn't there an article here on fark a while back about NY and LA getting reaper drones, and everyone flipping out about them spying on citizens?

Seems to me an MQ-9 might have the capability to bring down an airliner. It's not like an airliner has the dexterity of an f-16 or anything... I'm sure the "pilots" could get a missile lock on a 747...

or they could just scrabble some F-16's. I assure you they can do that much quicker than they can get a drone in the air


scramble*
 
2011-09-26 06:56:39 AM

stolenlogin: or they could just scrabble some F-16's. I assure you they can do that much quicker than they can get a drone in the air


They could probably loiter drones in the airspace for a long time for the cost of keeping F-16's ready to scramble on the ground.
 
2011-09-26 06:58:46 AM

Sid_6.7: They tried pigeons, but they aren't large enough. So they tried two pigeons taped together. They couldn't fly fast enough. So geese it is.


I'm grinning WAY too much over that...
 
2011-09-26 06:59:49 AM
Most police departments have been spending their Homeland Security money on armored vehicles and machine guns, If New York bought SAMs, at least they're reacting to an actual past crime and not just scared of their citizens.
 
2011-09-26 07:05:22 AM
I had to scrabble some F-16's once.

My opponent said there's no such thing as number tiles.

He thought he had me beat, until they leveled the building.
 
2011-09-26 07:08:51 AM

HAMMERTOE: I had to scrabble some F-16's once.

My opponent said there's no such thing as number tiles.

He thought he had me beat, until they leveled the building.


I consider Scrabble: Total War to really be the definitive edition of the game.
 
2011-09-26 07:13:57 AM
How is their sub fleet coming along?
 
2011-09-26 07:17:06 AM
All levity aside, what did you expect?

When they declared war on poverty, who did they wage this war against?

When they declared war on drugs, who did they wage this war against?

In the wake of 9-11, who have they treated like the enemy? A TSA agent pretty much has to overtly and egregiously feel up a toddler before attention is given to the gross overreaction of the system. Meanwhile, those who make the rules create special exemptions for their selves.

Local police departments have found it necessary to arm their selves to the point where they now have enough firepower to completely wipe out the population.

Is the fact that they now invest in weapons of mass destruction on a local level really a surprise? If Barney's only gonna get one bullet, he's damn well gonna make sure it's the most lethal one he can get.
 
2011-09-26 07:22:32 AM
I saw that segment on 60 minutes. New York City is so proud of it's incredible security systems. All I could think was that New York City has become an Orwellian nightmare.
 
2011-09-26 07:23:42 AM
Omni Consumer Products, peace through superior firepower
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2011-09-26 07:24:45 AM

HAMMERTOE: In the wake of 9-11, who have they treated like the enemy? A TSA agent pretty much has to overtly and egregiously feel up a toddler before attention is given to the gross overreaction of the system. Meanwhile, those who make the rules create special exemptions for their selves.


The real problem is that people love complaining. If you don't have a police force equipped to take down a suspect who has body armor and an assault rifle (new window), while all they have are handguns and shotguns, then they're incompetent and stupid.

If they invest in the required tools, training, etc. to be able to respond to extreme threats, then suddenly they're an evil military force.

And people will whine and biatch and moan either way. Even if you go out of your way to try and find a happy medium, people will complain.
 
2011-09-26 07:24:58 AM
According to MSNBC, the NYPD also has "operatives" stationed in Abu Dhabi, Amman, Montreal, Toronto, Singapore, Paris, and other cities.

This isn't your grandpa's NYPD, with the batons and paddy wagons. They've turned into a CIA offshoot.
 
2011-09-26 07:25:27 AM

badhatharry: I saw that segment on 60 minutes. New York City is so proud of it's incredible security systems. All I could think was that New York City has become an Orwellian nightmare.


Right, i suppose you have another way to deal with terrorists? They do hate us for our freedom after all.
 
2011-09-26 07:26:34 AM

labman: Fly a police helicopter into it?


Came to say this also a small plane as well. Also Fark Fails me really no one rememebers this come on people we have the technology:

www.rotaryaction.com
 
2011-09-26 07:27:48 AM

MickeyRaptor: According to MSNBC, the NYPD also has "operatives" stationed in Abu Dhabi, Amman, Montreal, Toronto, Singapore, Paris, and other cities.


Get those farkers out of my country! We have enough trouble with our own cops, let alone foreign ones that don't have to answer to our public (not that it stops the RCMP or anything)
 
2011-09-26 07:29:27 AM

2wolves: Relatively Obscure: Spike strips attached to balloons.

That got a snort.

+1


Don't laugh. Barrage balloons can be very effective against low-flying aircraft.
 
2011-09-26 07:30:45 AM
Hell Santrini air has to be somewhere around there?

www.helicopterpicture.org
 
2011-09-26 07:31:44 AM
Reminds me of the actions of Idi Amin and Hitler. As long as a government was abusively controlling its own citizens, the rest of the world did not concern themselves.
 
2011-09-26 07:36:08 AM
6655321: Reminds me of the actions of Idi Amin and Hitler. As long as a government was abusively controlling its own citizens, the rest of the world did not concern themselves.

Except the Gestapo is not going out randomly rounding up the Jews, gays, and people who dissent from the party lines.

Well, among other things that are not similar in anyway.

But, yeah. Discounting those flaws in your analogy, the United States is totally like NAADP-run Nazi Germany.
 
2011-09-26 07:37:41 AM

LoneDoggie: How is their sub fleet coming along?


Pretty good: USS Growler Just came out of refit a year or so ago.
 
2011-09-26 07:38:47 AM

hardinparamedic: Discounting those flaws in your analogy, the United States is totally like NAADP-run Nazi Germany.


Black Nazis?
 
2011-09-26 07:39:10 AM
The military for when we want to declare war on others.
The police for when we want to declare war *on ourselves*.

Brb - Swat team in full military gear is now storming my house with a 'no-knock' warrant that was intended for another house.
Bang! There goes the family dog. Or was it my son? I don't know. Let's hope the cop doesn't plant drugs or beat me, otherwise I'll spend the next five years spending my life savings on court fees trying to prove my innocence.

I gotta say, one of the few (very few) positive things I can say about Europe compared to America (as a US citizen, I admit I'm biased); but there is far less tension between police and citizens here. They don't carry guns, much less rocket launchers. And they manage to do a better job of preventing crime.
 
2011-09-26 07:41:33 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: And they manage to do a better job of preventing crime.


You're thinking of the vastly superior social safety net, not the police.
 
2011-09-26 07:41:42 AM
Fark_Guy_Rob: The military for when we want to declare war on others.
The police for when we want to declare war *on ourselves*.

Brb - Swat team in full military gear is now storming my house with a 'no-knock' warrant that was intended for another house.
Bang! There goes the family dog. Or was it my son? I don't know. Let's hope the cop doesn't plant drugs or beat me, otherwise I'll spend the next five years spending my life savings on court fees trying to prove my innocence.

I gotta say, one of the few (very few) positive things I can say about Europe compared to America (as a US citizen, I admit I'm biased); but there is far less tension between police and citizens here. They don't carry guns, much less rocket launchers. And they manage to do a better job of preventing crime.


They also don't generally have an armed populace with military grade assault weaponry.
 
2011-09-26 07:42:11 AM

Sid_6.7: It's the geese. Don't you remember the "Miracle on the Hudson"? That was a test.

They have a crack team of highly trained suicide geese.

They tried pigeons, but they aren't large enough. So they tried two pigeons taped together. They couldn't fly fast enough. So geese it is.


It's been tried with pigeons. (new window)
 
2011-09-26 07:43:24 AM
Well, I feel safer already. Don't you?
 
2011-09-26 07:46:50 AM
Listen to the ostriches in this thread, man.

"Maybe he means X"

Where X = some innocuous thing

Wake up, kiddies, we're living in a police state
 
2011-09-26 07:49:02 AM
This article only contains two references to 9/11 and Sept, 11. It's an outrage that would never have happened on Giuliani's watch.

/needs to be in there at least 5 times
 
2011-09-26 07:58:09 AM

Tymast: badhatharry: I saw that segment on 60 minutes. New York City is so proud of it's incredible security systems. All I could think was that New York City has become an Orwellian nightmare.

Right, i suppose you have another way to deal with terrorists? They do hate us for our freedom after all.


This is not the right way. The US has 15,000 non-terrorist related murders a year. The Joker was right. We have lost our freaking minds.
 
2011-09-26 07:58:40 AM

NewportBarGuy: Also... "take down a plane" could also refer to a traditional takeover of an airplane on the tarmac that is held hostage. I'm assuming this is what he will say to clarify this. Or, we're now giving AA to police departments and that should terrify everyone.


I don't think you understand the term 'take down an airplane' as how it's mean to be understood as...

But, standing police militias? This should end well. It's already bad enough most of these large departments have SWAT units; what's next? Police departments buying Army/ Navy surplus Apache helicopters and F/A-18 Hornets?
 
2011-09-26 07:59:56 AM
I'd guess they must have RPGs, and think they can take down a plane with those...
 
2011-09-26 08:00:54 AM
lh5.ggpht.com

Anti-terrorism is no laughing matter.
 
2011-09-26 08:02:38 AM

hardinparamedic: Fark_Guy_Rob: The military for when we want to declare war on others.
The police for when we want to declare war *on ourselves*.

Brb - Swat team in full military gear is now storming my house with a 'no-knock' warrant that was intended for another house.
Bang! There goes the family dog. Or was it my son? I don't know. Let's hope the cop doesn't plant drugs or beat me, otherwise I'll spend the next five years spending my life savings on court fees trying to prove my innocence.

I gotta say, one of the few (very few) positive things I can say about Europe compared to America (as a US citizen, I admit I'm biased); but there is far less tension between police and citizens here. They don't carry guns, much less rocket launchers. And they manage to do a better job of preventing crime.

They also don't generally have an armed populace with military grade assault weaponry.


Actually, they probably have just about as many actual military grade assault weaponry (ie., fully automatic for-real submachine guns, assault rifles, and machine guns) per person as in the US, especially when you consider that both WWI and WWII were fought there, guns would have been very easy to get, and since a well-made gun tends to stay operational for decades, if not centuries*, I'd bet that there are more of them in Europe in private hands then you might guess. It is estimated that in Germany, there are at least as many unregistered guns as there are legally registered ones, and that most of them are military in origin, especially 'leakage' from the former East Germany. That means actual fully automatic AK's, not semi-auto only.

*I'm 44 years old. I've fired an original Civil War era Remington 1858 New Army revolver. My father had bought it back in the 1950's back when there were no reproductions being made. If you do the math, it was at least 120 years old when I shot it.
 
2011-09-26 08:03:27 AM
NYC is just getting ready for American balkanization and the return of the city-state.
 
2011-09-26 08:05:02 AM
If you're all wondering, it's a machine-gun based, medium-caliber, high RoF weapon. It's not a guided missile.

/FYI: They're fun.
 
2011-09-26 08:07:40 AM
I don't think America spends enough protecting itself from extremely unlikely threats.

/ Bear Patrol?
 
2011-09-26 08:09:07 AM
That could solve the congestion problem at the three New York airports. Falling airplanes are an unintended consquence I'm sure.
 
2011-09-26 08:12:47 AM

Claude Ballse: [lh5.ggpht.com image 600x336]

Anti-terrorism is no laughing matter.


For the win!
 
2011-09-26 08:13:34 AM

Bomb Head Mohammed: I don't think America spends enough protecting itself from extremely unlikely threats.

/ Bear Patrol?


Guess we found Mr. Colbert's Fark handle.
 
2011-09-26 08:16:07 AM
I'm reasonably certain that the NYPD using a SAM to take down a plane, without getting authorization from the Feds would itself be an illegal act of terrorism
 
2011-09-26 08:17:57 AM

badhatharry: Tymast: badhatharry: I saw that segment on 60 minutes. New York City is so proud of it's incredible security systems. All I could think was that New York City has become an Orwellian nightmare.

Right, i suppose you have another way to deal with terrorists? They do hate us for our freedom after all.

This is not the right way. The US has 15,000 non-terrorist related murders a year. The Joker was right. We have lost our freaking minds.


If you compare like to like, though, it's not that bad. First you have to look at rates per 100,000 to get an accurate comparison.

In the US, the homicide rate is about 6.1 per 100,000 overall. If you just include "European Americans", who by the way are the most likely to legally own guns, the rate is actually just 2.7 per 100,000*. Source: CDC WISQARS Injury Mortality Report.

Europe as a whole has a homicide rate of about 5.4 per 100,000, with Western Europe being very low (1.5 per 100,000), and Eastern Europe being very high (15.7 per 100,000).

So, "European Americans", who mostly came from Western Europe, with a smaller yet still very significant number from Eastern Europe, have a homicide rate somewhere between that of Western Europe and Europe overall, despite generally having much better access to firearms than most of Europe.

Conclusion: It isn't the guns, it's the culture. You learn your values from your parents, who learned their values from their parents, and so on back into time. Is it any wonder that the descendants of people from region X have a similar homicide rate to those who still live in region X?

*White non-Hispanics.
 
2011-09-26 08:18:09 AM

NewportBarGuy: Also... "take down a plane" could also refer to a traditional takeover of an airplane on the tarmac that is held hostage. I'm assuming this is what he will say to clarify this. Or, we're now giving AA to police departments and that should terrify everyone.


I saw the interview. He meant shooting down a plane.

Our police have become a virtual branch of the military. What a convenient way to get around the Constitutional prohibition of using the military against the populous.
 
2011-09-26 08:18:21 AM

eas81: Hell Santrini air has to be somewhere around there?

[www.helicopterpicture.org image 640x379]


*fap fap fap*
 
2011-09-26 08:18:50 AM

Magorn: I'm reasonably certain that the NYPD using a SAM to take down a plane, without getting authorization from the Feds would itself be an illegal act of terrorism


Probably not. I'd say they're allowed to use deadly force to prevent what they feel to be a crime (especially when the life and/or limbs of bystanders are at risk). This is a logical extension of that.

I'm not saying I necessarily support this, just pointing out that it's not that much different than shooting at a car trying to run a cop/civilian down, etc.
 
2011-09-26 08:19:30 AM

SharkTrager: Our police have become a virtual branch of the military. What a convenient way to get around the Constitutional prohibition of using the military against the populous.


...they wouldn't - would they? Why, that would be unconst-***CARRIER LOST***
 
2011-09-26 08:20:54 AM
Any NIKE sites left around Manhattan? Bring them back on line. Maybe bring G Gordon Liddy in to run them. He has experience. I think he actually served in one of the batteries that covered New York. I remember him writing about using the optics to watch women undress.
 
2011-09-26 08:21:09 AM

Tymast: badhatharry: I saw that segment on 60 minutes. New York City is so proud of it's incredible security systems. All I could think was that New York City has become an Orwellian nightmare.

Right, i suppose you have another way to deal with terrorists? They do hate us for our freedom after all.


I'm curious. Do you really believe we are seriously threatened by terrorists to a degree that justifies tracking the movements of every citizen of the largest city in the nation, which is precisely what they showed they are capable of doing.
 
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