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2011-09-22 04:43:42 PM
Interestingly enough Texas is the first state to execute a white man for the crime of killing a black man. Your blue state has a more racism in its legal system that Texas.
 
2011-09-22 04:44:18 PM
Won't make a difference to many members of his base. I've seen no shortage of cars with Confederate/Rebel bullshiat and 9-11/America-love-it-or-leave-it propaganda side by side. There's no reasoning with morons.
 
2011-09-22 04:47:11 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Interestingly enough Texas is the first state to execute a white man for the crime of killing a black man. Your blue state has a more racism in its legal system that Texas.


Ohhhhkay. Thanks for sharing that fascinating fact.
 
2011-09-22 04:49:34 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Interestingly enough Texas is the first state to execute a white man for the crime of killing a black man. Your blue state has a more racism in its legal system that Texas.


well, isn't that just precious
 
2011-09-22 04:49:35 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Interestingly enough Texas is the first state to execute a white man for the crime of killing a black man. Your blue state has a more racism in its legal system that Texas.


So in order for My Blue State to not be Racist we have to kill more white people, what do you have against white people?
 
2011-09-22 04:49:55 PM

indylaw: Won't make a difference to many members of his base. I've seen no shortage of cars with Confederate/Rebel bullshiat and 9-11/America-love-it-or-leave-it propaganda side by side. There's no reasoning with morons.


southernone.files.wordpress.com
 
2011-09-22 04:51:30 PM
indylaw:

America-love-it-or-leave-it

i'm actually surprised they haven't scratched that part off.
 
2011-09-22 04:53:25 PM

HotWingConspiracy: coeyagi: HotWingConspiracy: coeyagi: I am not saying we are there or even close, but its something to keep an eye on.

So if we're nowhere close to that, why is it a big deal if he has five kids?

Jesus Christ. Wtf is this? Does nothing in the future matter to you?

Sure it does. I'm just not concerned about your dumb version of it.

Seriously though, if you want to help, you could always kill yourself.


So could you. You realize this is the same crap Republicans say about the environment right, but then piss and moan about the debt. I am glad you have selective future planning like those tards.
 
2011-09-22 04:53:26 PM

Aarontology: I believe Texas has a saying that works well here.

"All Hat. No Cattle"


I thought the saying was something about steers, queers, and a lack of horned appendages.
 
2011-09-22 04:53:48 PM

ignatiusst: He did this the other day, too, in the debate. "Hell, no, I never supported the TARP bail-out!"

Well, technically, he's right - he never explicitly supported TARP, but when TARP was being debated he wrote a joint-letter (with WV Governor Machin): "We strongly urge Congress to leave partisanship at the door and pass an economic recovery package," they wrote. "It is time for Washington, D.C. to step up, be responsible, an do what's in the best interest of American taxpayers and our economy."

So, my question is this: Do the teabaggers really want a candidate that dissembles like that? Is that what they consider a strong leader?


Well at least he isn't one of those Democratic flip-floppers we heard so much about.
 
2011-09-22 04:55:42 PM

Jake Havechek: I bet the so-called "liberal media" won't press him on this, either.


Hopefully not until after he gets the nomination.
 
2011-09-22 04:57:37 PM

sprawl15: This supposed to be our Perry outrage for the day? Really? Couldn't find anything substantial on the guy?


The Republican in me wants to hang the traitor, actually. Then i want to hang all the rednecks who think it is funny to do this to Lincoln's party.
 
2011-09-22 04:58:33 PM

TheBigJerk: And then Sean Hannity with his exceptionally punchable face cranks his smirk up a little higher and agrees.


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I know I kept this for a reason.
 
2011-09-22 04:59:52 PM

sprawl15: This supposed to be our Perry outrage for the day? Really? Couldn't find anything substantial on the guy?


This is supposed to be our thread troll for the day?
Really?
 
2011-09-22 05:01:08 PM

baggins2000: Jake Havechek: I bet the so-called "liberal media" won't press him on this, either.

Hopefully not until after he gets the nomination.


before..after....won't matter. Perry is the front runner and I think he's probably gonna get the GOP nomination.
 
2011-09-22 05:02:59 PM

Weaver95: why would someone want to elect a pathological liar? I don't get it.


"The candidate didn't lie, he just misspoke."

Worked before, will work again.
 
2011-09-22 05:03:56 PM

Jake Havechek: I'd laugh my ass of if any one of them in the debates had the sac to call Perry a secessionist traitor and enemy of America.


I could see RON PAUL throwing that one out there as things get dirtier...
 
2011-09-22 05:05:02 PM

Jackpot777: indylaw: Won't make a difference to many members of his base. I've seen no shortage of cars with Confederate/Rebel bullshiat and 9-11/America-love-it-or-leave-it propaganda side by side. There's no reasoning with morons.

[southernone.files.wordpress.com image 500x375]


Exactly.

/please tell me that's not Tampa. But if it is, I'm not terribly surprised.
 
2011-09-22 05:05:16 PM

Minus1Kelvin: Jake Havechek: I'd laugh my ass of if any one of them in the debates had the sac to call Perry a secessionist traitor and enemy of America.

I could see RON PAUL throwing that one out there as things get dirtier...


RON PAUL is more likely to praise him for his support for secession than to criticize him for it.
 
2011-09-22 05:07:39 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: EWreckedSean: Perry's stupidity aside, I love the fact that people keep trying to prove that you can't leave the union, when in fact the right for people to leave a union is the fundamental right this country was created upon. I mean:

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. - That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, - That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Oh look, a moron who has no idea that the Declaration of Independence has no legal force.


Hey Hey Hey Hey. Don't correct them, please. I was hoping if Perry got elected we could use this to our benefit as long as they stilled believed it.
Kind of an escape pod plan.
 
2011-09-22 05:08:23 PM
If you only get your news from one source, history is easily rewritten.
 
2011-09-22 05:16:50 PM

Code_Archeologist: Weaver95: why would someone want to elect a pathological liar? I don't get it.

Stockholm syndrome, force of habit, don't want to vote for the darkie?


Ummm... the "darkie" is a pathological liar, too. Or have you forgotten all of his campaign promises?
 
2011-09-22 05:18:19 PM

Corvus: Last I checked Texas has Representation dumbass!


You're being obtuse, is it deliberate?

It is not necessary to believe either that Obama's election was not legitimate, or that Texas does not have representation, to conclude that Texas has a right to secede under the Declaration of Independence.

Let's look at the text:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. - That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, - That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Right there in the text "whenever anyForm of Government becomes destructive of these ends." And what are the "ends" the document speaks of? Those are "certain unalienable Rights." The means to achieve those ends are "Governments instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." When the means (in any form) are no longer serving the ends they were established to serve then it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it.

In other words, according to the Declaration of Independence, the people have a right to secede when they believe the government is no longer protecting their rights.

You can agree with this or disagree with this, but what you can't do is change what it says. No where does it say that just because you have representation in the government you can't dissolve it. The Declaration goes on to list roughly 27 offenses that led them to declare independence. Only a small number of them relate directly to representation issues. None of them claim the King George was not the legitimate ruler. Those two things are not dispositive to the issue of whether one has a right to secede so far as the Declaration of Independence is concerned.

Of course, the Declaration isn't law. But the statement you're mocking "the right for people to leave a union is the fundamental right this country was created upon" is in fact supported by the document cited. Your arguments to the contrary seem to ignore the actual text of the Declaration.
 
2011-09-22 05:19:11 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I remember being taught, in a public high school in Texas, that Texas had the right of succession still. Guess that was crap.


I remember that also and that we also had the right to create our own navy.

I guess the part about the Supreme court deciding differently after the civil war was left out of the text books.
I'm shocked, so very shocked that a textbook in Texas could have half truths in it.
I just found out that the UT fight song isn't our State song. Something called "Texas, Our Texas".
 
2011-09-22 05:20:37 PM

DrPainMD: Code_Archeologist: Weaver95: why would someone want to elect a pathological liar? I don't get it.

Stockholm syndrome, force of habit, don't want to vote for the darkie?

Ummm... the "darkie" is a pathological liar, too. Or have you forgotten all of his campaign promises?


Well, in his defense, there is a difference between saying what you will do in the future (which it turns out, you might NOT be able to accomplish), and saying what you did in the past (when you actually said something different). Obama has at least a potential response of ignorance or circumstances beyond his control. Perry saying he wasn't talking about succession is just flat out lying.
 
2011-09-22 05:22:15 PM

DrPainMD: Code_Archeologist: Weaver95: why would someone want to elect a pathological liar? I don't get it.

Stockholm syndrome, force of habit, don't want to vote for the darkie?

Ummm... the "darkie" is a pathological liar, too. Or have you forgotten all of his campaign promises?


Doesn't really reach the level of "pathological liar" in my book, but maybe I'm more of a pragmatist.

The Obameter Scorecard

* Promise Kept 145

* Compromise 43

* Promise Broken 47

* Stalled 69

* In the Works 202
 
2011-09-22 05:23:56 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Interestingly enough Texas is the first state to execute a white man for the crime of killing a black man. Your blue state has a more racism in its legal system that Texas.


Isn't Texas also the place where you can shoot someone for whacking a mirror off your car with a baseball bat? (or something like that. I'll have to google to see if I can find the exact details of the incident I have in mind)

I suppose it's just that most states aren't progressively pro-mirror like Texas.
 
2011-09-22 05:25:49 PM

coeyagi: HotWingConspiracy: coeyagi: HotWingConspiracy: coeyagi: I am not saying we are there or even close, but its something to keep an eye on.

So if we're nowhere close to that, why is it a big deal if he has five kids?

Jesus Christ. Wtf is this? Does nothing in the future matter to you?

Sure it does. I'm just not concerned about your dumb version of it.

Seriously though, if you want to help, you could always kill yourself.

So could you.


I don't want to help.
 
2011-09-22 05:27:49 PM

Weaver95: why would someone want to elect a pathological liar? I don't get it.



To prevent Sharia Law from taking over the country and forcing you to live in a global caliphate!
 
2011-09-22 05:28:10 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Interestingly enough Texas is the first state to execute a white man for the crime of killing a black man. Your blue state has a more racism in its legal system that Texas.


Uh, yeah, that's what it is. It's not that Illinois abolished our death penalty because we believe that the death penalty is too error-prone. It's just that we just don't want to kill white racists like Texans do.

Go, Texas! Kill those white racists! Kill 'em dead! Yee haaa!
 
2011-09-22 05:29:04 PM

Goodfella: Weaver95: why would someone want to elect a pathological liar? I don't get it.


To prevent Sharia Law from taking over the country and forcing you to live in a global caliphate!


Someone who wont raise taxes on people making less than 250k for example?
 
2011-09-22 05:30:18 PM

Goodfella: Weaver95: why would someone want to elect a pathological liar? I don't get it.


To prevent Sharia Law from taking over the country and forcing you to live in a global caliphate!


so the Republicans want to fight against Sharia law by implementing a Christian version of those exact same principals? that's like fighting the legalization of cannabis by getting everyone hooked on meth.
 
2011-09-22 05:32:09 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: EWreckedSean: when in fact the right for people to leave a union is the fundamental right this country was created upon.

[thechive.files.wordpress.com image 250x242]



Its actually a funny catch-22. The Declaration of Independence outlines that it is the right of people to seceede and create their own country when their current country becomes too corrupt. But if you tried to do that today you would be blown to pieces by lots of guys with lots of guns.

So is it ok to create your own country when the current one is hopelessly corrupt? Or is it not?

This is one question they should propose in every high school civics class in America just to get people thinking about the hypocrisy.

/does not support secession
//does support crushing corrupt regimes
 
2011-09-22 05:33:21 PM

Goodfella: Weaver95: why would someone want to elect a pathological liar? I don't get it.


To prevent Sharia Law from taking over the country and forcing you to live in a global caliphate!


Well, hell. I could do that with a pack of Juicy Fruit gum.
 
2011-09-22 05:33:53 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Goodfella: Weaver95: why would someone want to elect a pathological liar? I don't get it.


To prevent Sharia Law from taking over the country and forcing you to live in a global caliphate!

Someone who wont raise taxes on people making less than 250k for example?


Oddly, it seems that tax rates for all brackets are at a historic low. What an odd way to 'raise taxes'.
 
2011-09-22 05:35:53 PM

wmoonfox: Why would anyone watch a show where a slobbering lapdog spends the entire time slot trying to figure out how to suck off an empty suit?


Agreed! I never watch any MSNBC interviews with Obama.
 
2011-09-22 05:38:57 PM

Aye Vaughan Dobbs Keye: Tube: At the risk of accidentally sounding like I agreed with Perry's original statement, there's at least the hypothetical possibility that secession (more appropriately, splitting the US into two or three regions) would be economically efficient. The US may not be an optimal currency area (new window), meaning it might be better for certain regions to split away and institute their own monetary policy because those regions are affected by economic disturbances differently and would therefore need their own, tailored responses. Those regions (new window) tend to match up with the red-state blue-state divide: New England, Great Lakes, Rockies, Far West, and Mideast in one region, with the South, non-CA Southwest, and Plains off on their own in one form or another. With that kind of a matchup, you could either control monetary policy regionally and social policy federally (no secession), or control both regionally (secession), and be more economically efficient.

But in order to organize the secession along those lines, you'd need:

1) more than one guy's word that the US isn't an OCA (peer review of his methodology) AND

2) a state-by-state analysis instead of region-by-region, because the matchup of OCAs to red/blue states isn't perfect (and you could conceivably even go city-by-city or county-by-county, but that's subject to a lot of statistical noise) AND

3) democratic approval from all of America (Congressional approval to leave the union is required per Texas v. White).

Something tells me Perry didn't consider any of that when he opened his mouth, though, and would've been right only through dumb luck.

[www.thepatriotaxe.com image 582x456]


Map is FAIL. SC is too 'deep south' to go with the rest of the Northern States. NC is an odd case because while they enjoy their Southerness, they dont let it bog them down. KY and TN are right out, Thats some hardcore solid Red State Retardedness right there.
 
2011-09-22 05:40:34 PM

baggins2000: I guess the part about the Supreme court deciding differently after the civil war was left out of the text books.
I'm shocked, so very shocked that a textbook in Texas could have half truths in it.


What bugs me most about it, is how deliberate it all was. I didn't even know Texas was a slave state. They just kinda left that part out.
 
2011-09-22 05:43:31 PM

jso2897: If I may speak on behalf of my fellow Californians:


Where will California get the bailout cash it needs if Texas secedes?
 
2011-09-22 05:46:35 PM

Goodfella: Captain_Ballbeard: EWreckedSean: when in fact the right for people to leave a union is the fundamental right this country was created upon.

[thechive.files.wordpress.com image 250x242]


Its actually a funny catch-22. The Declaration of Independence outlines that it is the right of people to seceede and create their own country when their current country becomes too corrupt. But if you tried to do that today you would be blown to pieces by lots of guys with lots of guns.

So is it ok to create your own country when the current one is hopelessly corrupt? Or is it not?

This is one question they should propose in every high school civics class in America just to get people thinking about the hypocrisy.

/does not support secession
//does support crushing corrupt regimes


The debate was settled 146 years ago.
 
2011-09-22 05:46:56 PM

soy_bomb: jso2897: If I may speak on behalf of my fellow Californians:

Where will California get the bailout cash it needs if Texas secedes?


Both Texas and California contribute more than they take.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

i359.photobucket.com
 
2011-09-22 05:49:08 PM

tcan: wmoonfox: Why would anyone watch a show where a slobbering lapdog spends the entire time slot trying to figure out how to suck off an empty suit?

Agreed! I never watch any MSNBC interviews with Obama.


What MSNBC interviews?

Citation?

He spends more time with O Reilly.
 
2011-09-22 05:50:19 PM

tinyarena: Do you ever get tired of being wrong?



Oh like he's ever going to admit to letting lose a mouth-fart...
 
2011-09-22 05:50:45 PM

soy_bomb: jso2897: If I may speak on behalf of my fellow Californians:

Where will California get the bailout cash it needs if Texas secedes?


Hate to break the news - but we're an even bigger donor state than Texas. California could thrive and prosper as a separate country. To be fair, Texas could too, although it's not as well situated geographically. But seriously, both states are better off within the Union, and the Union is better off for having California and Texas within it. Both states pay a lot of other state's bills.
 
2011-09-22 05:50:57 PM
loose loose


godammit
 
2011-09-22 05:53:53 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: baggins2000: I guess the part about the Supreme court deciding differently after the civil war was left out of the text books.
I'm shocked, so very shocked that a textbook in Texas could have half truths in it.

What bugs me most about it, is how deliberate it all was. I didn't even know Texas was a slave state. They just kinda left that part out.


Not only was Texas a slave state, slavery was pretty much the entire reason for Texas in the first place. The was of Texan Independence was a war to preserve the institution of slavery.

I'm from Texas originally (born there but didn't spend long in the state). As a kid reading about Texas I enjoyed the notion that I came from a place that broke free of an evil oppressive government. As an adult my love of history led me to read extensively on the war. After that, I no longer took pride in it. It is a plain and undeniable fact that the war's primary impetus was the preservation of slavery. There was also the attempt to preserve unrestricted illegal immigration of Americans into the area, but slavery was still the primary motivation.
 
2011-09-22 05:58:47 PM
people.virginia.edu
www.tutorialhero.com
 
2011-09-22 06:01:23 PM

soy_bomb: jso2897: If I may speak on behalf of my fellow Californians:

Where will California get the bailout cash it needs if Texas secedes?


Are teabaggers ever right about anything or are they purposely stupid?
Link (new window)
 
2011-09-22 06:01:26 PM
Secession-talk is a great marketing strategy for Southern Republicans.

"Your magazine also helps set the record straight. You've got a heritage of doing that, of defending Southern patriots like [Robert E.] Lee, [Stonewall] Jackson and [Confederate President Jefferson] Davis. Traditionalists must do more. I've got to do more. We've all got to stand up and speak in this respect, or else we'll be taught that these people were giving their lives, subscribing their sacred fortunes and their honor to some perverted agenda."

--John Ashcroft, Southern Partisan magazine interview
 
2011-09-22 06:13:26 PM

soy_bomb: jso2897: If I may speak on behalf of my fellow Californians:

Where will California get the bailout cash it needs if Texas secedes?


They can use the next TARP-like thing that Texas won't be needing to balance its state budget like last time ( and yet still fired firefighters that hindsight showed as a bad idea)
 
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