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(Think Progress)   What? Secession? No no no, I was...uh...talking about succession. Like with kings. Yeah, that's the ticket   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 257
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2011-09-22 10:44:19 AM
I believe Texas has a saying that works well here.

"All Hat. No Cattle"
 
2011-09-22 10:57:16 AM
Perry is basically saying "I never used the word 'Secession', I just said that it might be time for Texas to think about leaving the United States."

Cutting the hair pretty thin on this one.
 
2011-09-22 10:59:57 AM
Yeah, that's the ticket. Perry and Todd Palin should get together and go bowling sometime.
 
2011-09-22 11:04:48 AM
vvoice.vo.llnwd.net
 
2011-09-22 11:08:52 AM
This will be one of those interesting experiments where old school political lies meet 21st century campaigning, where everything is recorded and everything you've ever said can come back to haunt you.

We will just have to see what happens.
 
2011-09-22 11:13:03 AM
Where are our favorite Republican trolls try to refudiate that one?

If this guy wins, I hope he doesn't have the bright idea to nuke China to get out of paying our debts to them.
 
2011-09-22 12:06:00 PM
why would someone want to elect a pathological liar? I don't get it.
 
2011-09-22 12:07:44 PM
I'm guessing Rick Perry has often told his wife "I only slept with that stripper to prove to myself how much I love YOU!"
 
2011-09-22 12:09:34 PM
He did this the other day, too, in the debate. "Hell, no, I never supported the TARP bail-out!"

Well, technically, he's right - he never explicitly supported TARP, but when TARP was being debated he wrote a joint-letter (with WV Governor Machin): "We strongly urge Congress to leave partisanship at the door and pass an economic recovery package," they wrote. "It is time for Washington, D.C. to step up, be responsible, an do what's in the best interest of American taxpayers and our economy."

So, my question is this: Do the teabaggers really want a candidate that dissembles like that? Is that what they consider a strong leader?
 
2011-09-22 12:10:34 PM
Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm guessing Rick Perry has often told his wife "I only slept with that male stripper to prove to myself how much I love YOU!"
 
2011-09-22 12:14:04 PM
ignatiusst:

So, my question is this: Do the teabaggers really want a candidate that dissembles like that? Is that what they consider a strong leader?


apparently they do.
 
2011-09-22 12:26:13 PM
I'd laugh my ass of if any one of them in the debates had the sac to call Perry a secessionist traitor and enemy of America.
 
2011-09-22 12:30:54 PM
ignatiusst: So, my question is this: Do the teabaggers really want a candidate that dissembles like that? Is that what they consider a strong leader?

Yes.

Teabaggers: fiscally responsible anti-tax patriots who worship a debt-tripling serial tax hiker as our greatest President, and who love America so much they want to secede.

What a bunch of loons.
 
2011-09-22 12:32:09 PM
Jake Havechek: I'd laugh my ass of if any one of them in the debates had the sac to call Perry a secessionist traitor and enemy of America.

I don't think the GOP is going to actually tear themselves apart for our entertainment.
 
2011-09-22 12:36:31 PM
Weaver95: Jake Havechek: I'd laugh my ass of if any one of them in the debates had the sac to call Perry a secessionist traitor and enemy of America.

I don't think the GOP is going to actually tear themselves apart for our entertainment.


Damn.....
 
2011-09-22 12:38:51 PM
Weaver95: I don't think the GOP is going to actually tear themselves apart for our entertainment.

No, they're going to do it because their "big tent" has morphed into Thunderdome. The entertainment's incidental. And schadenfreude-tacular.
 
2011-09-22 12:39:41 PM
Jake Havechek: Weaver95: Jake Havechek: I'd laugh my ass of if any one of them in the debates had the sac to call Perry a secessionist traitor and enemy of America.

I don't think the GOP is going to actually tear themselves apart for our entertainment.

Damn.....


It'd be great if they would rip into one another, but they're going to play nice while the cameras are rolling. once they get behind closed doors though, all bets are off. 'GOP gone wild' probably sounds better than the reality. Perry strikes me as a 'schoolyard bully' kind of negotiator.
 
2011-09-22 12:42:08 PM
I bet the so-called "liberal media" won't press him on this, either.
 
2011-09-22 12:42:46 PM
Weaver95: why would someone want to elect a pathological liar? I don't get it.

People like making government as ineffective as possible so they can biatch about how terrible government is. That and self-hatred. Only reason I can see to vote Republican. It offers not a single benefit for anyone making less than a couple mil a year.
 
2011-09-22 01:06:22 PM
Jake Havechek: I bet the so-called "liberal media" won't press him on this, either.

well of course not - again, that would be impolite.

there are some VERY weird/strange 'unwritten codes of conduct' regarding how and what we question potential candidates about. take this case for example - Perry has made some really horrifying statements in the past - everything from being a theocrat to wanting to start a civil war in this country. But neither his fellow GOP competition or the major corporate news networks are going to question Perry about his insane statements made to the public. that would considered 'rude'.
 
2011-09-22 01:37:40 PM
Weaver95: why would someone want to elect a pathological liar? I don't get it.

Stockholm syndrome, force of habit, don't want to vote for the darkie?
 
2011-09-22 01:44:11 PM
He just thought he was signing up for a seminar on SEC football, to help adjust himself to the new conference landscape.
 
2011-09-22 01:45:51 PM
When voters demonstrate to politicians that there are consequences to lying, we will find ourselves without quite so many politicians that lie.

Also Rick Perry is a sack of shiat.
 
2011-09-22 01:52:30 PM
Tigger: When voters demonstrate to politicians that there are consequences to lying, we will find ourselves without quite so many politicians that lie.

.


that will never happen. Look - we KNOW Perry is a lying scumbag. It's on tape, hell its on YOUTUBE. the entire world can see the unedited clip of Perry advocating civil war. you can even watch clips of him commenting about biblical principals and good governance. Scary stuff and Perry later on denied ever saying any of it. And you know what? the GOP rank and file do. not. care. Thats the only conclusion I can reach - the GOP rank and file just don't give a shiat about being lied too by their leaders. they KNOW they're being lied to, they KNOW they're being abused. They know they cant trust their own leaders....but they're ok with it.

what happens to a democracy when people deliberately elect scumbags to high office? I guess we're going to find out...
 
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2011-09-22 02:06:40 PM
This isn't going to matter much to right wingers because they are not really interested in policy or ideology.

People who feel like losers want to feel like winners and if they can't be successful themselves they can win vicariously. That is why so many people love Bachman and Palin and Perry. They prove that people like themselves can succeed. That's why they like to identify with wealthy people despite being poor working class people.

It is similar to people who riot after their team looses a game, like in Vancouver. They aren't angry about a game, they are angry because they took a blow to their fragile self esteem.
 
2011-09-22 02:28:52 PM
So he will literally say anything, and lie about lying.

/Saaaay, shouldn't the Teabaggers be hating on big business monopolies too?
 
2011-09-22 02:34:57 PM
Perry 2012: No High Falutin Education for Me!
 
2011-09-22 02:59:26 PM
Weaver95: Tigger: When voters demonstrate to politicians that there are consequences to lying, we will find ourselves without quite so many politicians that lie.

.

that will never happen. Look - we KNOW Perry is a lying scumbag. It's on tape, hell its on YOUTUBE. the entire world can see the unedited clip of Perry advocating civil war. you can even watch clips of him commenting about biblical principals and good governance. Scary stuff and Perry later on denied ever saying any of it. And you know what? the GOP rank and file do. not. care. Thats the only conclusion I can reach - the GOP rank and file just don't give a shiat about being lied too by their leaders. they KNOW they're being lied to, they KNOW they're being abused. They know they cant trust their own leaders....but they're ok with it.

what happens to a democracy when people deliberately elect scumbags to high office? I guess we're going to find out...




I doubt likely Perry voters even know how to use the the youtubes outside of Facebook.
 
2011-09-22 02:59:48 PM
I was in favor of secession before I was against it?
 
2011-09-22 03:00:20 PM
Tigger: Also Rick Perry is a sack of shiat.

You are being unfair to sacks and shiat.
 
2011-09-22 03:00:52 PM
Rick Perry is technically correct that he never uttered the word "secession"!!!!111eleventy-one!

/Think Progress uses a case that agrees that Texas can depart the union with consent of the states
 
2011-09-22 03:00:55 PM
This supposed to be our Perry outrage for the day? Really? Couldn't find anything substantial on the guy?
 
2011-09-22 03:01:09 PM
Rick Perry: King of the Israelis
 
2011-09-22 03:02:04 PM
"I want to set the record straight. I thought the cop was a prostitute!"

/smug look of satisfaction
 
2011-09-22 03:03:47 PM
Look what happened here:

HANNITY: Some people said, well, you used the term once "secession." That's not anything-is that something you believe?

PERRY: No, and I never used that term, at all.

HANNITY: Then why was it reported so heavily?

PERRY: I have no idea to be real honest with you, because it was never a really factual piece of reporting. It was shouted out by an individual at an event-at a Tea Party, actually-and I said "listen, America is a great country. We have no reason why we would ever dissolve this union."


This is what Fox News does: at once bury the truth under their own twisted, propagandic version of it, and preemptively strike out at anyone who would try to tell the world what really happened. There is no truth but that which advances the Republican party; all else is falsehood.
 
2011-09-22 03:05:47 PM
gilgigamesh: This will be one of those interesting experiments where old school political lies meet 21st century campaigning, where everything is recorded and everything you've ever said can come back to haunt you.

We will just have to see what happens.


Except that you have a segment of society that have "media tunnelvision" on... only getting information from Fox News, Rush, Hannity, etc.... so, they won't ever hear these clips of Perry. They just hear things like Rush respond to a caller saying how Reagan raised taxes 17 times... "That is the craziest thing I've ever heard", and nod accordingly.
 
2011-09-22 03:06:01 PM
Ixnay on the yinglay, libs.

This is the guy we want to run against Obama, not the Pixar character from MA.
 
2011-09-22 03:06:35 PM
Weaver95: Jake Havechek: I'd laugh my ass of if any one of them in the debates had the sac to call Perry a secessionist traitor and enemy of America.

I don't think the GOP is going to actually tear themselves apart for our entertainment.


the scuttlebutt is that the "mainstream" GOP is going to shut down perry and the other tea baggers early and get behind romney in order to limit collateral damage. there's a chance they may piss off the tea party so much they'll run a third party candidate.

PERRY/PALIN '12! has a nice ring to it...
 
2011-09-22 03:08:08 PM
FlashHarry: PERRYPALIN/PERRYPALIN '12! has a nice ring to it...

FTFY..
 
2011-09-22 03:08:21 PM
Crusader: Perry is basically saying "I never used the word 'Secession', I just said that it might be time for Texas to think about leaving the United States."

Cutting the hair pretty thin on this one.


Maybe he was talking about Texas physically leaving the United States. If you got enough people together and they prayed hard enough, God would surely make Texas an island nation; just kind of give it a nudge out into the Gulf. Beachfront property creates a lot of jobs, don't you know.
 
2011-09-22 03:09:44 PM
He definitely threatened with secession
 
2011-09-22 03:10:18 PM
Perry's stupidity aside, I love the fact that people keep trying to prove that you can't leave the union, when in fact the right for people to leave a union is the fundamental right this country was created upon. I mean:

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. - That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, - That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
 
2011-09-22 03:12:07 PM
Weaver95: why would someone want to elect a pathological liar? I don't get it.

It used to be said, when Nixon was president, that if he shook your hand, you always checked afterwards to make sure you still had your watch.

They said this was the type of person you wanted leading the US, that it would always keep other leaders on their toes.
 
2011-09-22 03:13:09 PM
gilgigamesh

This will be one of those interesting experiments where old school political lies meet 21st century campaigning, where everything is recorded and everything you've ever said can come back to haunt you.

We will just have to see what happens.


I'm sure that some people will learn that becoming POTUS is a long game, and learn to plan for it and keep their nose clean and bury the hookers deep (eg Obama, Romney) instead of jumping on opportunities (eg Perry, Bachmann.)

Of course the latter just turn the populist wharrgarbl of the moment up to 11 and hope that the election comes before people figure out they're full of it.

Unfortunately both can be winning strategies.
 
2011-09-22 03:13:13 PM
EWreckedSean: Perry's stupidity aside, I love the fact that people keep trying to prove that you can't leave the union, when in fact the right for people to leave a union is the fundamental right this country was created upon. I mean:

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. - That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, - That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."


Oh look, a moron who has no idea that the Declaration of Independence has no legal force.
 
2011-09-22 03:13:13 PM
AMonkey'sUncle: It used to be said, when Nixon was president, that if he shook your hand, you always checked afterwards to make sure you still had your watch.

They said this was the type of person you wanted leading the US, that it would always keep other leaders on their toes.


What could possibly go wrong?
 
2011-09-22 03:14:04 PM
ignatiusst: He did this the other day, too, in the debate. "Hell, no, I never supported the TARP bail-out!"

Well, technically, he's right - he never explicitly supported TARP, but when TARP was being debated he wrote a joint-letter (with WV Governor Machin): "We strongly urge Congress to leave partisanship at the door and pass an economic recovery package," they wrote. "It is time for Washington, D.C. to step up, be responsible, an do what's in the best interest of American taxpayers and our economy."

So, my question is this: Do the teabaggers really want a candidate that dissembles like that? Is that what they consider a strong leader?


Sorry, too easy to refudiate.

What Presid- um, Governor Perry meant was that Congress should have enacted tax cuts and bootstrap subsidies. Those would have fixed America's economic problems, unlike the big government socialist bailouts, welfare, and regulations that continue to bleed Real America dry in order to feed unions, illegals, and lazy minorities.
 
2011-09-22 03:14:44 PM
So, like most hypocritical teabaggers, he doesn't have the strength of his convictions...

Own it, Ricky, or do you just like playing dress up and pretending you're a rugged frontiersman of old?
 
2011-09-22 03:15:33 PM
Weaver95: Jake Havechek: I bet the so-called "liberal media" won't press him on this, either.

well of course not - again, that would be impolite.

there are some VERY weird/strange 'unwritten codes of conduct' regarding how and what we question potential candidates about. take this case for example - Perry has made some really horrifying statements in the past - everything from being a theocrat to wanting to start a civil war in this country. But neither his fellow GOP competition or the major corporate news networks are going to question Perry about his insane statements made to the public. that would considered 'rude'.


That is where the internet should come in. Make a video of his past positions, hope it goes viral if it does the MSM will have to report on it.
 
2011-09-22 03:16:14 PM
keylock71: So, like most hypocritical teabaggers, he doesn't have the strength of his convictions...

How can you say that? It's not like he switched parties for electoral gain or anything like that.
 
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