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(CNN)   Google to Congress: "Please sirs. We're not a monopoly, sirs. We're just barely scraping by. Fighting to survive, we are. Don't hurt us, please, sirs"   (money.cnn.com) divider line 73
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2011-09-21 02:56:35 PM
Google booked record sales and earnings in the first half of this year, made a series of splashy acquisitions, and is on a hiring spree.

Yeah. It's hard to figure out why Congress might be upset at them.
 
2011-09-21 03:25:14 PM
F*cking Google monopoly. Maybe I wouldn't be so mad at them if they weren't the only search engine in existence, or if there were some other free email service on the web, or a social networking site other than Google +.
 
2011-09-21 03:45:32 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: F*cking Google monopoly. Maybe I wouldn't be so mad at them if they weren't the only search engine in existence, or if there were some other free email service on the web, or a social networking site other than Google +.


Alta Vista will rise again. Have faith, my brothers.
 
2011-09-21 03:53:36 PM

kid_icarus: Rev. Skarekroe: F*cking Google monopoly. Maybe I wouldn't be so mad at them if they weren't the only search engine in existence, or if there were some other free email service on the web, or a social networking site other than Google +.

Alta Vista will rise again. Have faith, my brothers.


(*sniff*) I miss altavista
esp the graph version

I dont understand how android is required to use google.
doesnt android have a WEB BROWSER??
you open browser, go to a crappy non-google search engine and get your crappy results. what's the problem ??
 
2011-09-21 04:45:26 PM
But the search market is a different story: Google's algorithm is known only to Google. Websites don't always know exactly how to rise to the top of search results, and page rankings significantly influence their clicks and revenue. Yet Google's own products also appear in its search results, often quite highly -- and Google, of course, would know how to cook the rankings.

So when I go to google, it's bad if google tends to unfairly point to google sources so google can make more money than its competitors.

I went to Home Depot yesterday and asked where I could find the snow blowers and they didn't send me to Lowe's. In fact, every time I have gone to Home Depot, they have referred me to a section within Home Depot. I'm thinkin Home Depot is next being brought to the Senate.
 
2011-09-21 04:48:56 PM

lennavan: But the search market is a different story: Google's algorithm is known only to Google. Websites don't always know exactly how to rise to the top of search results, and page rankings significantly influence their clicks and revenue. Yet Google's own products also appear in its search results, often quite highly -- and Google, of course, would know how to cook the rankings.

So when I go to google, it's bad if google tends to unfairly point to google sources so google can make more money than its competitors.

I went to Home Depot yesterday and asked where I could find the snow blowers and they didn't send me to Lowe's. In fact, every time I have gone to Home Depot, they have referred me to a section within Home Depot. I'm thinkin Home Depot is next being brought to the Senate.


Actually, both are breaking the anti-trust act for having multiple hardware and home improvement products available, causing store chains like "Snowblow 'dem Hoes" to suffer.
 
2011-09-21 04:55:23 PM
Yet Google's own products also appear in its search results, often quite highly -- and Google, of course, would know how to cook the rankings.

Google's products also tend to be among the best available. If they were consistently shiat, then I'd see a reason to complain about favoritism. Still, it'd be nice to know which products, specifically, that they're complaining about.
 
2011-09-21 04:58:38 PM
mo·nop·o·ly
noun, plural -lies.
1. exclusive control of a commodity or service in a particular market, or a control that makes possible the manipulation of prices.

Encouraging price competition does not a monopoly make.
 
2011-09-21 05:00:17 PM

namatad: I dont understand how android is required to use google.
doesnt android have a WEB BROWSER??


My default homepage on my Android phone was the home page for my cell phone service provider.
 
2011-09-21 05:01:50 PM
Ask to examine their search algorithms then. I mean, if there's a "ShowGoogleResult()" procedure they seem to think there is, it'd have to be called under the cases they mention - searching for a competitor's product Google competes against.
 
2011-09-21 05:03:26 PM
Yet Google's own products also appear in its search results, often quite highly -- and Google, of course, would know how to cook the rankings.

Google's own products? Like what? you mean services?
Go to Bing and type Maps. Whose comes up first? Search engines are supposed to provide the best/most relevant results first.

Just on "Google Product Search" unless Google sells their own line of Fall cardigans, I'm not really sure I'm seeing any favoritism here...
 
2011-09-21 05:04:31 PM

Accent: Go to Bing and type Maps. Whose comes up first? Search engines are supposed to provide the best/most relevant results first.


I get Google maps

/Not sure if that was the point or not
 
2011-09-21 05:04:35 PM

Arkanaut: namatad: I dont understand how android is required to use google.
doesnt android have a WEB BROWSER??

My default homepage on my Android phone was the home page for my cell phone service provider.


My cat's breath smells like cat food.
 
2011-09-21 05:06:24 PM
it's not like they ran all other search engines out of business, it's just that all other search engines sucked in the past and have continued to suck
 
2011-09-21 05:06:41 PM

tinyarena: My cat's breath smells like cat food.


Tuesday is coming, did you bring your coat?
 
2011-09-21 05:07:18 PM

the_sidewinder: Accent: Go to Bing and type Maps. Whose comes up first? Search engines are supposed to provide the best/most relevant results first.

I get Google maps

/Not sure if that was the point or not


Yes, that was the point.
They don't have to manipulate search in order for their products to be the most relevant/used.
 
2011-09-21 05:07:51 PM
"We have never sought to become a monopoly; our products are simply so good, that no one feels the need to compete with us."
- CEO Morgan
 
2011-09-21 05:08:08 PM
Yes it's Google that really needs investigating. I guess someone at google didn't grease the right palms.
 
2011-09-21 05:10:33 PM
Anyone can choose any search engine they want at any time they wish. How is Google twisting anyone's arm?

Noobs everywhere use the Yahoo or AOL front page's search engine, and anyone at any time can choose Bing or Ask or any other search engine anywhere. I fail to see how Google is exerting a monopoly simply by being the #1 choice that most people prefer.
 
2011-09-21 05:18:51 PM
Google is NOT a monopoly.

/2L
//Currently sitting with an Antitrust Casebook in front of me
///Getting a kick...
 
2011-09-21 05:24:52 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
MONOPOLIES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!
 
2011-09-21 05:25:38 PM

GreenAdder: Google booked record sales and earnings in the first half of this year, made a series of splashy acquisitions, and is on a hiring spree.

Yeah. It's hard to figure out why Congress might be upset at them.


Done in one.
 
2011-09-21 05:29:51 PM

King Something: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x307]
MONOPOLIES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!


Yes, they do.

Look at Microsoft.
 
2011-09-21 05:30:00 PM
Google is so buddy buddy with the white house it's not even funny. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/03/AR2009 060303143.html I love google + though.
 
2011-09-21 05:30:08 PM
All Google has to do is donate to the politicians initiating these hearings and suddenly everything will be ok. They broke the "you have a lot of money but aren't giving us as much as we want" law.
 
2011-09-21 05:32:56 PM
Yeah Google is using its market position to overcharge for its services.

This is retarded, can we get back to fixing unemployment please?
 
2011-09-21 05:34:41 PM
A quote from a game always makes me think of Google:

"Of course the new MorganNet software will be bundled with the new network nodes. Our customers would expect no less of us. We have never sought to become a monopoly; our products are simply so good, that no one feels the need to compete with us."
-CEO Morgan, Alpha Centauri
 
2011-09-21 05:35:31 PM

Sim Tree: "We have never sought to become a monopoly; our products are simply so good, that no one feels the need to compete with us."
- CEO Morgan


Damnit, that's what I get for not reading the thread.
 
2011-09-21 05:37:42 PM

TsukasaK: A quote from a game always makes me think of Google:

"Of course the new MorganNet software will be bundled with the new network nodes. Our customers would expect no less of us. We have never sought to become a monopoly; our products are simply so good, that no one feels the need to compete with us."
-CEO Morgan, Alpha Centauri


Might want to read the thread first next time.

Sim Tree beat you by half an hour with the exact same quote... without the /csb.
 
2011-09-21 05:38:55 PM

DORMAMU: TsukasaK: A quote from a game always makes me think of Google:

"Of course the new MorganNet software will be bundled with the new network nodes. Our customers would expect no less of us. We have never sought to become a monopoly; our products are simply so good, that no one feels the need to compete with us."
-CEO Morgan, Alpha Centauri

Might want to read the thread first next time.

Sim Tree beat you by half an hour with the exact same quote... without the /csb.


Darnit.

You caught it before I could mock.

/hopefully I have caught mine before you mock me
 
2011-09-21 05:45:32 PM

DORMAMU: DORMAMU: TsukasaK: A quote from a game always makes me think of Google:

"Of course the new MorganNet software will be bundled with the new network nodes. Our customers would expect no less of us. We have never sought to become a monopoly; our products are simply so good, that no one feels the need to compete with us."
-CEO Morgan, Alpha Centauri

Might want to read the thread first next time.

Sim Tree beat you by half an hour with the exact same quote... without the /csb.

Darnit.

You caught it before I could mock.

/hopefully I have caught mine before you mock me


I can still mock you! Observe!

cdn2.holytaco.com
 
2011-09-21 05:45:58 PM
I did a side by side with yahoo vs google: Snowblowers

I think we may be arguing something like who has beter (worse) news coverage MSNBC or CNN.

Not a big difference in quality, but yes google seems to be a bit better.

But...

Really though, who gives a shiat.
 
2011-09-21 05:46:55 PM

Kevin Martin: Google is so buddy buddy with the white house it's not even funny. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/03/AR2009 060303143.html I love google + though.


Just like EA, right?.

/It's funny how the oil companies don't want their tax breaks to benefit gaming companies.
 
2011-09-21 05:47:19 PM

namatad: kid_icarus: Rev. Skarekroe: F*cking Google monopoly. Maybe I wouldn't be so mad at them if they weren't the only search engine in existence, or if there were some other free email service on the web, or a social networking site other than Google +.

Alta Vista will rise again. Have faith, my brothers.

(*sniff*) I miss altavista
esp the graph version

I dont understand how android is required to use google.
doesnt android have a WEB BROWSER??
you open browser, go to a crappy non-google search engine and get your crappy results. what's the problem ??


Android had gmail, contacts, calendar, and maps integrated with google. But of course you can download apps to use other services, some apps can even change your dialing contacts to sync with something else.
 
2011-09-21 05:50:38 PM
Maybe the Senate should be picking his brain on how to be successful, rather than simply trying to pick him apart.

Seriously though, what does it cost to support the Congress critters? Avg $250k a year or some such? What a waste.
 
2011-09-21 05:52:48 PM

namatad: kid_icarus: Rev. Skarekroe: F*cking Google monopoly. Maybe I wouldn't be so mad at them if they weren't the only search engine in existence, or if there were some other free email service on the web, or a social networking site other than Google +.

Alta Vista will rise again. Have faith, my brothers.

(*sniff*) I miss altavista
esp the graph version

I dont understand how android is required to use google.
doesnt android have a WEB BROWSER??
you open browser, go to a crappy non-google search engine and get your crappy results. what's the problem ??


My Blackberry had Bing replaced as its quick search provider with no way to change it back to Google.

I had to go to a web browser everytime I wanted to do a search, which on a Blackberry was painful.

So if anyone would like to use this case to prosecute Microsoft too, that would be grand.
 
2011-09-21 05:54:00 PM

Accent: Search engines are supposed to provide the best/most relevant results first.


That may be what users expect them to do, but by law there are no requirements for what a search engine is obligated to include in its results, or the order in which they appear.

This is not an issue meriting Congressional intervention.
 
2011-09-21 06:02:03 PM

tinyarena: Arkanaut: namatad: I dont understand how android is required to use google.
doesnt android have a WEB BROWSER??

My default homepage on my Android phone was the home page for my cell phone service provider.

My cat's breath smells like cat food.


Lol'd for days. Thanks.
 
2011-09-21 06:05:44 PM

kid_icarus: Rev. Skarekroe: F*cking Google monopoly. Maybe I wouldn't be so mad at them if they weren't the only search engine in existence, or if there were some other free email service on the web, or a social networking site other than Google +.

Alta Vista will rise again. Have faith, my brothers.


It's the number one search engine in Pawnee.
 
2011-09-21 06:09:52 PM
"Please sirs. We're not a monopoly, sirs. We're just barely scraping by. Fighting to survive, we are. Don't hurt us, please, sirs"

i18.tinypic.com
 
2011-09-21 06:18:32 PM

lennavan: So when I go to google, it's bad if google tends to unfairly point to google sources so google can make more money than its competitors.


Thing is, Google doesn't actually do that. It applies the same algorithms to its own sites that it applies to every other site.

If Google promoted their own stuff above everyone else's, it would be good for those bits of Google's business, but would harm the reputation of their search engine. If you keep giving people the "wrong" results, the bits that people aren't generally expecting then they'll soon be looking for another search engine.

Google don't have the sort of lock-in or long term commitment of Microsoft in the 90s.
 
2011-09-21 06:23:13 PM

Ringtailed79: Lol'd for days. Thanks.


You are very welcome.
 
2011-09-21 06:27:51 PM
Dogpile.
 
2011-09-21 06:39:07 PM
Let's crack down on Google so Microsoft and Facebook can be the only tech monopolies! Yayyyyy.
 
2011-09-21 06:57:53 PM
Being a monopoly is not illegal. Using a monopoly to secure business in other markets is illegal. I don't see evidence that google has done that. Unlike Microsoft, who used their consumer operating system monopoly to block competition in office products (word processing, spreadsheets), browsers (IE), and to keep a stranglehold on their existing operating system monopoly by charging a much much higher license fee if a retailer offered the consumers any choice. The higher license fee was typically more than the profit margin for an entire system.
 
2011-09-21 07:00:09 PM
But the search market is a different story: Google's algorithm is known only to Google. Websites don't always know exactly how to rise to the top of search results, and page rankings significantly influence their clicks and revenue.

"Trade secret", motherfarkers, have you heard of it?

It doesn't really matter anyway; if Google had to make their algorithm public, we'd just end up with the internet equivalent of "AAAAAAAA Plumbing".
 
2011-09-21 07:25:57 PM

lennavan: But the search market is a different story: Google's algorithm is known only to Google. Websites don't always know exactly how to rise to the top of search results, and page rankings significantly influence their clicks and revenue. Yet Google's own products also appear in its search results, often quite highly -- and Google, of course, would know how to cook the rankings.


Guess what happens when I search for "free email"

1. Yahoo! Mail: The best web-based email!

2. Get free Email accounts: Web based and secure Email - mail.com

3. Sign In (hotmail.com)

4. Free Webmail and Email by GMX | Sign Up Now!

5. Top 16 Free Email Services - Updated August 2011 - About Email (about.com)

6. Gmail: Email from Google


...so, no.
 
2011-09-21 07:32:06 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: F*cking Google monopoly. Maybe I wouldn't be so mad at them if they weren't the only search engine in existence, or if there were some other free email service on the web, or a social networking site other than Google +.


Excite is still around, and it looks like it hasn't changed since 1998.
 
2011-09-21 07:33:39 PM

Accent: the_sidewinder: Accent: Go to Bing and type Maps. Whose comes up first? Search engines are supposed to provide the best/most relevant results first.

I get Google maps

/Not sure if that was the point or not

Yes, that was the point.
They don't have to manipulate search in order for their products to be the most relevant/used.


Ah, but you see that search on Bing might still be biased since they just copy Google's search results.^

MONOPOLY!
 
2011-09-21 07:34:20 PM
i.imgur.com
/Google user who set others homepage to Bing
 
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