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(Daily Kos)   Stephen Colbert completely destroys the GOP's "class warfare" talking point. Of course, that's pretty easy, but he does it in humorous way, so it's still worth watching   (dailykos.com ) divider line
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2011-09-21 09:43:23 AM  
Legendary graph.
 
2011-09-21 09:54:35 AM  
i188.photobucket.com

This pie chart alone should shut down 99% of the right's talking points re: taxes.
 
2011-09-21 10:24:12 AM  
I missed it last night, but I totally read that whole article in Colbert's voice and emphasis.
 
2011-09-21 10:26:23 AM  
This is why I am likely to vote for Obama over these wingnuts. I am fairly conservative, but seriously? I agree that there should be a "minimum tax" of $1 as a token way of saying the poor contribute, but the way they are pressing it is stupid.

Here's a good compromise: Lower the tax rates on all brackets and have deductions count against the lowest brackets first. The reason the uberwealthy pay lower than their "fair share" is that deductions can drop them into a lower bracket if managed right. How about this: Take as manay deductions as you want, but you still have to pay the higher tax rate. Make enough money to take 20K in deductions, for example, then you eliminate the 12% tax on the first 20K, but you pay the proper tax on the rest.
 
2011-09-21 11:18:34 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Legendary graph.


Haha, yes. I didn't get it as a jpg, it only makes sense as a video.
 
2011-09-21 11:39:04 AM  
Of course, Obama's new "class warfare" offensive is just empty rhetoric to fire up his far-left base. But there's a real danger to stirring up anger and discontent in the lower classes like that. If social unrest and riots come to America, we'll have Obama's "class warfare" offensive to thank for it.
 
2011-09-21 11:51:35 AM  

SkinnyHead: Of course, Obama's new "class warfare" offensive is just empty rhetoric to fire up his far-left base. But there's a real danger to stirring up anger and discontent in the lower classes like that. If social unrest and riots come to America, we'll have Obama's "class warfare" offensive to thank for it.


Hear hear, dear sir! If those dastardly poor fellows who are ungrateful for all of the job creation us .3% of the country showers down on them, we must make sure they no one ever tells them they are in the bottom! No need to stir up the dreadful unwashed masses by stirring them up. Why, even the poorest of us millionaires makes over twenty times what they make on average! If they knew that fact, our natural hegemony over the poor critters would be tarnished and they may riot. I say we crush those ungrateful sots.
 
2011-09-21 11:51:41 AM  

SkinnyHead: Of course, Obama's new "class warfare" offensive is just empty rhetoric to fire up his far-left base. But there's a real danger to stirring up anger and discontent in the lower classes like that. If social unrest and riots come to America, we'll have Obama's "class warfare" offensive to thank for it.


Yes... making people realize reality is "bad"... like such....

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america- c hart-graph

Go down to the "Out of Balance" graph......

So, most people think our wealth distribution is much more equitable than it really is.... and they don't even think what THEY think it is is equitable enough.

So, according to you, we need people to be stupid, otherwise, they'll revolt. That sounds like something Quadaffi would say.

/probably feeding the troll, oh well
 
2011-09-21 11:58:11 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: [i188.photobucket.com image 512x357]

This pie chart alone should shut down 99% of the right's talking points re: taxes.


We know that 40+% of the people don't pay income taxes. According to the chart, 50% make less than $20K*; 15% are low wage earners with children, 13% other and 22% are seniors.

Doesn't this scare anybody that our economy is so suxars that the population is this poor? Will the democrats do anything about it other than blame Republicans and Bush?

*will assume most of these are students that are making minimum wage working part time jobs.
 
2011-09-21 12:00:17 PM  
"There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody. You built a factory out there-good for you! But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did."

Link (new window)


I cannot wait to vote for her.
 
2011-09-21 12:09:05 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: I agree that there should be a "minimum tax" of $1 as a token way of saying the poor contribute, but the way they are pressing it is stupid.


they still pay social security taxes/payroll taxes and sales taxes.
 
2011-09-21 12:10:05 PM  
Humorous? Well, yes, the graph was funny. And I think I chuckled once or twice during the Word after it. But that's a lot less funny than Colbert used to be.
 
2011-09-21 12:16:34 PM  

SouthernManDunWrong: *will assume most of these are students that are making minimum wage working part time jobs.


Might want to challenge those assumptions.
 
2011-09-21 12:28:44 PM  

SkinnyHead: Of course, Obama's new "class warfare" offensive is just empty rhetoric to fire up his far-left base. But there's a real danger to stirring up anger and discontent in the lower classes like that. If social unrest and riots come to America, we'll have Obama's "class warfare" offensive to thank for it.



Class warfare - why does it only exist when taxes are raised on the rich?

Did you have a fit about the repeal of the payroll tax that would hit anyone making less than $108,000/year?
 
2011-09-21 12:32:18 PM  
You know, if the richest 1% of American DOES move to an island in the Pacific, we'll just get more rich people. Its not like this is unprecedented in history.

But please. Keep giving me a list of names to knit into my scarf.
 
2011-09-21 12:46:31 PM  

SouthernManDunWrong: Grand_Moff_Joseph: [i188.photobucket.com image 512x357]

This pie chart alone should shut down 99% of the right's talking points re: taxes.

We know that 40+% of the people don't pay income taxes. According to the chart, 50% make less than $20K*; 15% are low wage earners with children, 13% other and 22% are seniors.

Doesn't this scare anybody that our economy is so suxars that the population is this poor? Will the democrats do anything about it other than blame Republicans and Bush?

*will assume most of these are students that are making minimum wage working part time jobs.


Will the Republicans do anything about it except put yet more measures in place to widen the divide?
 
2011-09-21 12:46:46 PM  
 
2011-09-21 12:47:36 PM  

SouthernManDunWrong: Doesn't this scare anybody that our economy is so suxars that the population is this poor?


Oh, you sound concerned.
 
2011-09-21 12:48:54 PM  

what_now: You know, if the richest 1% of American DOES move to an island in the Pacific, we'll just get more rich people. Its not like this is unprecedented in history.


The new rich will be the ones that can control all the shiat the current rich leave behind.
 
2011-09-21 12:49:42 PM  
Man the paid trolls are out in absolute force the past week or so... Must have struck a nerve somewhere
 
2011-09-21 12:50:57 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: What class warfare really looks like:


Piggyback:

In other words, the richest 5 percent of households obtained roughly 82 percent of all the nation's gains in wealth between 1983 and 2009. The bottom 60 percent of households actually had less wealth in 2009 than in 1983, meaning they did not participate at all in the growth of wealth over this period.

www.epi.org (new window)
 
2011-09-21 12:51:23 PM  

what_now: Keep giving me a list of names to knit into my scarf.


Do what now?
 
2011-09-21 12:52:31 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Philip Francis Queeg: What class warfare really looks like:

Piggyback:

In other words, the richest 5 percent of households obtained roughly 82 percent of all the nation's gains in wealth between 1983 and 2009. The bottom 60 percent of households actually had less wealth in 2009 than in 1983, meaning they did not participate at all in the growth of wealth over this period.

[www.epi.org image 580x500] (new window)


Good stats. Remember this the next time a conservative argues that wealth inequality is irrelevant, since all that matters is that everyone is getting richer.
 
2011-09-21 12:53:17 PM  

GAT_00: Humorous? Well, yes, the graph was funny. And I think I chuckled once or twice during the Word after it. But that's a lot less funny than Colbert used to be.


You probably remember when XKCD was edgy.
 
2011-09-21 12:53:53 PM  

SkinnyHead: Of course, Obama's new "class warfare" offensive is just empty rhetoric to fire up his far-left base. But there's a real danger to stirring up anger and discontent in the lower classes like that. If social unrest and riots come to America, we'll have Obama's "class warfare" offensive to thank for it.


And they all have a refrigerator anyway, and soshulizm
 
2011-09-21 12:54:23 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: You probably remember when XKCD was edgy.


XKCD has never been, and never will be funny.
 
2011-09-21 12:54:49 PM  
deepthoughtswithskinnyhead.jpg
 
2011-09-21 12:56:05 PM  

SouthernManDunWrong: Grand_Moff_Joseph: [i188.photobucket.com image 512x357]

This pie chart alone should shut down 99% of the right's talking points re: taxes.

We know that 40+% of the people don't pay income taxes. According to the chart, 50% make less than $20K*; 15% are low wage earners with children, 13% other and 22% are seniors.

Doesn't this scare anybody that our economy is so suxars that the population is this poor? Will the democrats do anything about it other than blame Republicans and Bush?

*will assume most of these are students that are making minimum wage working part time jobs.


Oh good. I'm glad the republicans are going to let lower income people stop paying payroll taxes...because, you know, they ARE taxes.
 
2011-09-21 12:57:57 PM  

DamnYankees: Dusk-You-n-Me: Philip Francis Queeg: What class warfare really looks like:

Piggyback:

In other words, the richest 5 percent of households obtained roughly 82 percent of all the nation's gains in wealth between 1983 and 2009. The bottom 60 percent of households actually had less wealth in 2009 than in 1983, meaning they did not participate at all in the growth of wealth over this period.

[www.epi.org image 580x500] (new window)

Good stats. Remember this the next time a conservative argues that wealth inequality is irrelevant, since all that matters is that everyone is getting richer.


Or when they talk about "wealth redistribution".
 
2011-09-21 12:59:33 PM  
Are the kos kids still back in Obama? In 2012?

If they are he is sure to lose
 
2011-09-21 01:00:11 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Or when they talk about "wealth redistribution".


I think if a lot of the nation's wealth were distributed into my hands over the last decade, I, too, would be concerned about re-distribution.
 
2011-09-21 01:02:16 PM  

Jackson Herring: what_now: Keep giving me a list of names to knit into my scarf.

Do what now?


most farkers would, given the opportunity.
 
2011-09-21 01:04:01 PM  

dorko16: Man the paid trolls are out in absolute force the past week or so... Must have struck a nerve somewhere


Yup, 60% say raise taxes on the Rich.

And you have polls of the rich saying "Raise taxes on us!".

Some of the rich realize their taxes go towards stabilizing the society they make their money in.
 
2011-09-21 01:04:27 PM  
The humor of Colbert is lost in the sadness that this "class warfare" rhetoric by the GOP does really work on a large number of tards in America.
 
2011-09-21 01:05:46 PM  

burninator777: most farkers would, given the opportunity.


i611.photobucket.com
 
2011-09-21 01:06:05 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: "There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody. You built a factory out there-good for you! But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did."

Link (new window)


I cannot wait to vote for her.


I absolutely worship her. Vote an extra time for me ;)
 
2011-09-21 01:07:15 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: "There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody. You built a factory out there-good for you! But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did."

Link (new window)


I cannot wait to vote for her.


THIS!
 
2011-09-21 01:07:21 PM  

itsdan: SouthernManDunWrong: *will assume most of these are students that are making minimum wage working part time jobs.

Might want to challenge those assumptions.


Agreed. I'd like to see SMDW's "cognitive skills" at work.
 
2011-09-21 01:08:26 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: In other words, the richest 5 percent of households obtained roughly 82 percent of all the nation's gains in wealth between 1983 and 2009. The bottom 60 percent of households actually had less wealth in 2009 than in 1983, meaning they did not participate at all in the growth of wealth over this period.


So 5% of Americans worked hard and earned their keep while everyone suckled their teats.
 
2011-09-21 01:09:50 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Philip Francis Queeg: What class warfare really looks like:

Piggyback:

In other words, the richest 5 percent of households obtained roughly 82 percent of all the nation's gains in wealth between 1983 and 2009. The bottom 60 percent of households actually had less wealth in 2009 than in 1983, meaning they did not participate at all in the growth of wealth over this period.

(new window)


Did something happen in late 2008 or something?

Why it's almost as if there was a major recession caused by an economic bubble that caused the economy to collapse.
 
2011-09-21 01:09:51 PM  

Jackson Herring: what_now: Keep giving me a list of names to knit into my scarf.

Do what now?


Link (new window)
 
2011-09-21 01:10:04 PM  

Muta: So 5% of Americans worked hard and earned their keep while everyone suckled their teats.


One particular sperm pulled itself forward by its own bootstraps.
 
2011-09-21 01:10:50 PM  

Muta: Dusk-You-n-Me: In other words, the richest 5 percent of households obtained roughly 82 percent of all the nation's gains in wealth between 1983 and 2009. The bottom 60 percent of households actually had less wealth in 2009 than in 1983, meaning they did not participate at all in the growth of wealth over this period.

So 5% of Americans worked hard and earned their keep while everyone suckled their teats.


This is what self loathing looks like.
 
2011-09-21 01:10:52 PM  

regindyn: Agreed. I'd like to see SMDW's "cognitive skills" at work.


This is not a poop thread.
 
2011-09-21 01:11:15 PM  

Muta: Dusk-You-n-Me: In other words, the richest 5 percent of households obtained roughly 82 percent of all the nation's gains in wealth between 1983 and 2009. The bottom 60 percent of households actually had less wealth in 2009 than in 1983, meaning they did not participate at all in the growth of wealth over this period.

So 5% of Americans worked hard and earned their keep while everyone suckled their teats.


They're obviously not sucking hard enough. Maybe they should stand under the drip line to get trickled on more.
 
2011-09-21 01:13:23 PM  

what_now: Jackson Herring: what_now: Keep giving me a list of names to knit into my scarf.

Do what now?

Link (new window)


Christ. Somehow I've completely erased that book from my memory.
 
2011-09-21 01:13:36 PM  

Corvus: THIS!


and THAT!

/reminds me, need to volunteer some time for her campaign...
 
2011-09-21 01:14:08 PM  

Jackson Herring: XKCD has never been, and never will be funny in my meaningless opinion.


FTFY.
 
2011-09-21 01:14:08 PM  

Mrbogey: In other words, the richest 5 percent of households obtained roughly 82 percent of all the nation's gains in wealth between 1983 and 2009. The bottom 60 percent of households actually had less wealth in 2009 than in 1983, meaning they did not participate at all in the growth of wealth over this period.

(new window)

Did something happen in late 2008 or something?

Why it's almost as if there was a major recession caused by an economic bubble that caused the economy to collapse.


So...Are you saying that the crash in 2009 wiped out a quarter century of economic growth, but purely for the lower 60%? Really?

One might suggest that a more negative picture would have been painted by taking the wealth distribution BEFORE the crash, because the meltdown of the stock market would have likely affected the wealth of the upper few % more than the bottom 60%.
 
2011-09-21 01:14:13 PM  
A chart and a poll TOGETHER!!! I don't think there is any recovering from this.
 
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