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2011-09-21 10:05:48 AM
Expect ingrates to return to the US in 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .
 
2011-09-21 10:07:16 AM
I am Jack's complete lack of sympathy.
 
2011-09-21 10:08:08 AM
And Iran.....I couldn't get away.
 
2011-09-21 10:10:42 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2011-09-21 10:14:36 AM
what's the over/under they get arrested for crossing another border on the way back?
 
2011-09-21 10:15:19 AM
www.filmwise.com
 
2011-09-21 10:17:02 AM
We should jail those idiots for about a year as a warning to other hikers.
 
2011-09-21 10:17:53 AM
Unavailable for comment:

shinecast.files.wordpress.com
 
2011-09-21 10:19:03 AM
It's not kidnapping when we do it, inshallah.
 
2011-09-21 10:21:57 AM
That seems like quite a bit smarter than, I dunno, invading, selling arms directly to them, having a hostage crisis, that kind of thing.
 
2011-09-21 10:27:48 AM
I suggest they look into the "60 Hikes Within 60 Miles" series.
 
2011-09-21 10:29:26 AM

3dougnight: We should jail those idiots for about a year as a warning to other hikers.


Nah, let's just send them the bill.
 
2011-09-21 10:32:45 AM
A foreign nation kidnaps and holds for ransom American citizens, and we go straight into blaming the victims. Stay classy, Fark.
 
2011-09-21 10:37:52 AM
So, Obama is now giving money directly to our enemies now? How is that not treason?
 
2011-09-21 10:39:14 AM

theknuckler_33: So, Obama is now giving money directly to our enemies now? How is that not treason?


That depends. Was Reagan guilty of treason for Iran-Contra?
 
2011-09-21 10:41:20 AM

GAT_00: theknuckler_33: So, Obama is now giving money directly to our enemies now? How is that not treason?

That depends. Was Reagan guilty of treason for Iran-Contra?


Reagan was busy defeating communism. Obama is busy defeating freedom.
 
2011-09-21 10:50:40 AM
wmoonfox: Who the FARK goes hiking on the IRAN/IRAQ border in the middle of a war? Supreme idiots or spies.

GAT_00: You must tip your muggers. Comparing these twats to a diplomatic team brutalized and tortured, you're a special one.
 
2011-09-21 10:51:15 AM

theknuckler_33: Reagan was busy defeating communism. Obama is busy defeating freedom.


Sorry, he was too busy tracking down and murdering in the still of night the guy at the top of the FBI's most wanted list to worry about communism.
 
2011-09-21 10:53:41 AM

theknuckler_33: GAT_00: theknuckler_33: So, Obama is now giving money directly to our enemies now? How is that not treason?

That depends. Was Reagan guilty of treason for Iran-Contra?

Reagan was busy defeating communism. Obama is busy defeating freedom

near.
 
2011-09-21 10:54:18 AM

theknuckler_33: So, Obama is now giving money directly to our enemies now? How is that not treason?


A group of top officials from the two countries had reportedly been seen in the capital Tehran joining the talks. Isna said Oman had paid the bail for the pair.

Omana?
 
2011-09-21 10:54:27 AM
Okay, dipshiats... next time, visit the Grand Canyon or take a Caribbean cruise and stay the fark out of war zones so "we the people" don't have drop our dimes into the pockets of a terrorist regime to bail your dumb asses out. Hey, I hear the Korean DMZ is nice this time of year.

/hand them the bill as soon as they step off the plane... with interest.
 
2011-09-21 10:57:47 AM
I am so happy for them and for their families.
 
2011-09-21 11:01:01 AM

theknuckler_33: GAT_00: theknuckler_33: So, Obama is now giving money directly to our enemies now? How is that not treason?

That depends. Was Reagan guilty of treason for Iran-Contra?

Reagan was busy defeating communism. Obama is busy defeating freedom.


Reagan was busy giving weapons and money to his pals in Islamic Jihad that they used to kill Americans. He also used the money from weapon sold to Iran to fund death squads to rape and murder American nuns in Central America.
 
2011-09-21 11:01:49 AM

theknuckler_33: GAT_00: theknuckler_33: So, Obama is now giving money directly to our enemies now? How is that not treason?

That depends. Was Reagan guilty of treason for Iran-Contra?

Reagan was busy defeating communism. Obama is busy defeating freedom.


0/10. Back under the bridge with you.
 
2011-09-21 11:03:58 AM

indylaw: theknuckler_33: GAT_00: theknuckler_33: So, Obama is now giving money directly to our enemies now? How is that not treason?

That depends. Was Reagan guilty of treason for Iran-Contra?

Reagan was busy defeating communism. Obama is busy defeating freedom.

0/10. Back under the bridge with you.


meh... I reeled in a few.
 
2011-09-21 11:05:10 AM

fouronine: Okay, dipshiats... next time, visit the Grand Canyon or take a Caribbean cruise and stay the fark out of war zones so "we the people" don't have drop our dimes into the pockets of a terrorist regime to bail your dumb asses out. Hey, I hear the Korean DMZ is nice this time of year.

/hand them the bill as soon as they step off the plane... with interest.


Turkey isn't exactly a war zone. Neither is Iran, though our relationship with them is not a warm one. (We're not at war with Iran, sanctions notwithstanding). They either wandered too far to the East or were straight kidnapped by Iranian thugs who crossed over into Turkey.

Before you start blaming the victims, a basic knowledge of geography and international politics might do you some good.
 
2011-09-21 11:06:12 AM

fouronine: Okay, dipshiats... next time, visit the Grand Canyon or take a Caribbean cruise and stay the fark out of war zones so "we the people" don't have drop our dimes into the pockets of a terrorist regime to bail your dumb asses out. Hey, I hear the Korean DMZ is nice this time of year.

/hand them the bill as soon as they step off the plane... with interest.


It baffles me as to why one would even think that hiking in Iraq was a good idea, much less that close to the Iranian border.

Did the Ozarks or the Appalachians not cross their minds? I try to avoid war zones when I am thinking of places to hike.
 
2011-09-21 11:10:02 AM
Their lady friend has the crazy eyes.
 
2011-09-21 11:12:00 AM
That actually would have been a good investment to post bail for them.

Movie deal in 3,2,1..
 
2011-09-21 11:14:31 AM
Taxpayer money was undoubtedly used.

These aholes should have to pay it back.
 
2011-09-21 11:14:45 AM

wmoonfox: A foreign nation kidnaps and holds for ransom American citizens, and we go straight into blaming the victims. Stay classy, Fark.


It reminds me of the Finish fishermen who "accidentally" floated into Iranian waters.

/hikers, fisherman, why does they go to Iraq? Its almost like some secret US organization is sending them there
 
DuX
2011-09-21 11:29:10 AM
Judging from the pic, they're traveling through Oman via Sietch Tabr riding a sandworm with a 'biatchin soundtrack by Toto & Brian Eno.
i2.cdn.turner.com

/Dessert planet, ees hot, no?
//The Spice must flow.
 
2011-09-21 11:32:23 AM

indylaw: fouronine: Okay, dipshiats... next time, visit the Grand Canyon or take a Caribbean cruise and stay the fark out of war zones so "we the people" don't have drop our dimes into the pockets of a terrorist regime to bail your dumb asses out. Hey, I hear the Korean DMZ is nice this time of year.

/hand them the bill as soon as they step off the plane... with interest.

Turkey isn't exactly a war zone. Neither is Iran, though our relationship with them is not a warm one. (We're not at war with Iran, sanctions notwithstanding). They either wandered too far to the East or were straight kidnapped by Iranian thugs who crossed over into Turkey.

Before you start blaming the victims, a basic knowledge of geography and international politics might do you some good.


Would YOU hike that border?
 
2011-09-21 11:35:03 AM

indylaw: Turkey isn't exactly a war zone. Neither is Iran, though our relationship with them is not a warm one. (We're not at war with Iran, sanctions notwithstanding). They either wandered too far to the East or were straight kidnapped by Iranian thugs who crossed over into Turkey.

Before you start blaming the victims, a basic knowledge of geography and international politics might do you some good.


A: I never said *we* were at war and in fact I'm well aware that there is no active aggression currently taking place between Iraq and Iran at this time, but the region is still extremely volatile and hence a poor choice for a leisurely stroll.

B: None of this changes my assertion that these "victims" have a seriously deficient understanding of actions vs consequences.

C: "Iraqi Kurdistan" is not "Turkey." So who's in need of a map now?

...but overall, nice job on your attempt to obfuscate my main point with trivial semantics. 6/10
 
2011-09-21 11:38:08 AM

AeAe: Would YOU hike that border?


No. I wouldn't go to India, either, but that doesn't mean there aren't good-faith reasons to go.
 
2011-09-21 11:45:17 AM

fouronine: Okay, dipshiats... next time, visit the Grand Canyon or take a Caribbean cruise and stay the fark out of war zones so "we the people" don't have drop our dimes into the pockets of a terrorist regime to bail your dumb asses out. Hey, I hear the Korean DMZ is nice this time of year.

/hand them the bill as soon as they step off the plane... with interest.


If you get captured by a foreign government known for its human rights abuses and hatred of your home country, please remind us so we make sure we don't pay for YOUR release.
 
2011-09-21 11:47:32 AM

fouronine: indylaw: Turkey isn't exactly a war zone. Neither is Iran, though our relationship with them is not a warm one. (We're not at war with Iran, sanctions notwithstanding). They either wandered too far to the East or were straight kidnapped by Iranian thugs who crossed over into Turkey.

Before you start blaming the victims, a basic knowledge of geography and international politics might do you some good.

A: I never said *we* were at war and in fact I'm well aware that there is no active aggression currently taking place between Iraq and Iran at this time, but the region is still extremely volatile and hence a poor choice for a leisurely stroll.


Plenty of people take vacations in regions that are not completely peaceful and politically stable. Not everyone wants to go to Disneyland. It wouldn't be my choice, but I don't think hiking in that area makes them worthy of the blame of getting kidnapped by Iran.

B: None of this changes my assertion that these "victims" have a seriously deficient understanding of actions vs consequences.

They've suffered consequences. Why is it your desire that they suffer more? To satisfy your own smug sense of superiority? I don't think it was a foregone conclusion that hiking in Iraqi Kurdistan posed a serious risk of Iranian border patrol crossing over into sovereign territory and fabricating a story that they caught a group of CIA/Mossad spies sneaking into Iran. We may just have to disagree about this.

C: "Iraqi Kurdistan" is not "Turkey." So who's in need of a map now?

I stand corrected. It's still not like they were in Mosul or Tikrit. Other than a brief border skirmish with Turkey, Iraqi Kurdistan has been relatively calm and stable. It's not "The Korean DMZ" or Tripoli during the civil war or Rape-istan or any such thing.

...but overall, nice job on your attempt to obfuscate my main point with trivial semantics. 6/10
 
2011-09-21 11:52:46 AM
I think the point is that probably 90% of the world is a better place to hike than where they were... and they can't blame anyone but themselves for getting into this mess. They could have picked nearly anywhere else and they would have been home years ago.

IMO it's like driving a yacht off the coast of Somalia and then being a sadpanda when you get hijacked by pirates.

Sorry, but you're dumb.
 
2011-09-21 12:03:03 PM
There next trip is to go hiking in Nazi Germany.
 
2011-09-21 12:09:56 PM

fenianfark: fouronine: Okay, dipshiats... next time, visit the Grand Canyon or take a Caribbean cruise and stay the fark out of war zones so "we the people" don't have drop our dimes into the pockets of a terrorist regime to bail your dumb asses out. Hey, I hear the Korean DMZ is nice this time of year.

/hand them the bill as soon as they step off the plane... with interest.

It baffles me as to why one would even think that hiking in Iraq was a good idea, much less that close to the Iranian border.

Did the Ozarks or the Appalachians not cross their minds? I try to avoid war zones when I am thinking of places to hike.


If they read FARK, they probably know the Ozarks and Appalachians are full of rampaging Christianists who are a million billion hojillion times more dangerous than any poor downtrodden Muslim.

/islamophobe
 
2011-09-21 12:16:48 PM

indylaw: Plenty of people take vacations in regions that are not completely peaceful and politically stable. Not everyone wants to go to Disneyland. It wouldn't be my choice, but I don't think hiking in that area makes them worthy of the blame of getting kidnapped by Iran.


True, but I definitely can think of better places to go hiking which ARE more peaceful and politically stable, seeing as how that's all they claimed to have been doing in the first place.

I agree kidnapping is not right. But it's kind of hard to argue about whether or not they crossed into Iran since there is no clearly defined border in the area they happened to have been hiking in. Suppose for a moment that they were hiking in Colorado. I doubt they would have been kidnapped by a country run by radical Muslim clerics.

I vaguely understand why they were in that region. It had something to do with helping some village in northern Iraq. I can commend them for that. Should they punished more? No. I'm sure they've suffered enough. Were their actions misguided? Most likely yes, though due to their own ignorance. I watched the interview with Sarah Shourd. She clearly thought there would be this fence or border marking of some kind that clearly defined where the border was. But if you take the time to really think about that statement, then it's an absurd assumption for her to have made.
 
2011-09-21 12:30:02 PM

indylaw: theknuckler_33: GAT_00: theknuckler_33: So, Obama is now giving money directly to our enemies now? How is that not treason?

That depends. Was Reagan guilty of treason for Iran-Contra?

Reagan was busy defeating communism. Obama is busy defeating freedom.

0/10. Back under the bridge with you.


Haha exactly. Lots of bites though.
 
2011-09-21 12:32:08 PM

indylaw: indylaw: They've suffered consequences. Why is it your desire that they suffer more? To satisfy your own smug sense of superiority? I don't think it was a foregone conclusion that hiking in Iraqi Kurdistan posed a serious risk of Iranian border patrol crossing over into sovereign territory and fabricating a story that they caught a group of CIA/Mossad spies sneaking into Iran. We may just have to disagree about this.


Indeed they have suffered consequences ...consequences they should have considered BEFORE their actions. I harbor no smug sense of superiority, only the smug sense of being capable of avoiding Iranian prisons. (cc: stiletto_the_wise)

Additionally, at no point did I express a desire to see them suffer more (I simply questioned their judgement). In fact, I think bailing them out was absolutely the right thing to do. I believe every citizen of this nation is entitled to protection of their life and liberty from aggression, foreign or domestic (no matter how foolish that citizen may be). It is, in fact, the primary responsibility of our federal government.

/still should pay the money back
//amortized at a low interest rate (I'm not an animal, y'know)
 
2011-09-21 12:34:35 PM
indylaw
fouronin

C: "Iraqi Kurdistan" is not "Turkey." So who's in need of a map now?

Apparently the three idiots in this story.

I can understand wanting to see different and exotic places than we have here in America. I can even understand picking the area that they did. I cannot understand how you can be so naive/stupid as to allow yourself to even come close to the border of a country like Iran.

I am glad they are heading safely home to family and friends and I hope that they will have learned something from this ordeal and that they respect what their country did to get them back.

That said I think that this should be seen in the same way as a back-country rescue where the rescued party has to pay restitution because it was their own reckless or negligent actions that caused the rescue to be necessary in the first place. Remember that this is not just about the million dollar "bail", but the hundreds of hours of legal and diplomatic work that made this "bail" arrangement possible.
 
2011-09-21 12:36:08 PM

GAT_00: theknuckler_33: So, Obama is now giving money directly to our enemies now? How is that not treason?

That depends. Was Reagan guilty of treason for Iran-Contra?


You're thinking of Oliver North. Reagan's involvement was never proven.

Anyway, it was an overenthusiastic major that was the responsible party. Or, at least he was a convenient fall guy for Oliver North.

As an aside; the entire marine core(corps, whichever you prefer) was enraged by Oliver North's blatant treasonous actions. I don't know about you; but I wouldn't want a single marine mad at me; much less the entire core.
 
2011-09-21 12:45:16 PM
Iran releases those US hikers spies held as spies after the check clears

FTFY
DNRTFA
 
2011-09-21 12:54:38 PM
PROTIP: Next time, just go hiking around a southwestern state when you feel the need to go hike in a war ravaged, totalitarian, bassakwards part of the world...the jails are probably much nicer if you get caught doing something stupid. The ransom, I mean bail is the current price of stupidity I guess. Can we pay the Omani government to just keep these doorknobs so we keep their genes out of our pool???
 
2011-09-21 01:19:20 PM
I don't give a shiat about these two idiots one way or the other. They will come home and be coddled and deemed heroes for some farking reason. After many talk show hosts, they'll pick the best paying movie deal and be rewarded for being as dumb as a box of hammers....then they'll prolly go hike northern South Korea next.
 
2011-09-21 02:01:10 PM

wmoonfox: A foreign nation kidnaps and holds for ransom American citizens, and we go straight into blaming the victims. Stay classy, Fark.


I'll stick with my original position. One of these guys lived in Syria before he decided to go hiking in Iran. I'm betting we don't seem much waving of the American flag from either of them.

Do you know who else was an American? Richard Quirin
 
2011-09-21 02:45:57 PM

wmoonfox: A foreign nation kidnaps and holds for ransom American citizens, and we go straight into blaming the victims. Stay classy, Fark.


Meh, it's just become chic for Americans to be uncompromisingly critical of their own country.

Classy? No, but I wouldn't read too much into it.
 
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