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2011-09-19 11:53:35 AM
In announcing the deal, ACC commissioner John Swofford said Pitt and Syracuse would strengthen the conference's rich tradition of "balancing academics and athletics." it's pretty much all about getting more of that sweet, sweet TV money." He went on to say "When was the last time anyone associated collegiate sports with academics? Yeah, thought so."
 
2011-09-19 11:54:36 AM
They should have dissolved it when BC, VT, and Miami left a few years ago.

/The ACC still sucks, mainly due to Duke.
 
2011-09-19 11:55:49 AM
Old nues.
 
2011-09-19 11:56:21 AM
I thought the Big 12 would be the first to go.
 
2011-09-19 11:56:51 AM
This makes me really sad. I love Big East basketball and have some great memories of going to the Big East Tournament with my dad and brother as a kid.

So long Big East. You will be missed.
 
2011-09-19 11:57:27 AM
www.hogdb.com
 
2011-09-19 11:58:56 AM
thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com

Gunny Highway: This makes me really sad. I love Big East basketball and have some great memories of going to the Big East Tournament with my dad and brother as a kid.

So long Big East. You will be missed.

 
2011-09-19 11:59:58 AM
Why this crappy article when there's half a dozen on ESPN, and NY Times, Wash Post, etc all have better versions too?
 
2011-09-19 12:01:34 PM
mgoblog.com
 
2011-09-19 12:01:55 PM

rickythepenguin: [thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com image 288x288]

Gunny Highway: This makes me really sad. I love Big East basketball and have some great memories of going to the Big East Tournament with my dad and brother as a kid.

So long Big East. You will be missed.


Im okay this that.

Why do people hate the Big East again?
 
2011-09-19 12:05:35 PM

Gunny Highway: Why do people hate the Big East again?



i don't even who's in the big east....pitt (rip), cuse....west viregina? va tech? fordham?

the only good thing about the inexorable march towards superconferences is that since so many bowl games have tie-ins to specific conferences (i.e., "the slurpee bowl is the #2 big east team vs the #2 acc team, and the ipod bowl is the #3 pac 10 team and the #3 big ten team") then the bowl games will lose their tie-ins, and we are one step closer to a playoff.
 
2011-09-19 12:06:04 PM
Allow me to say the following to Georgetown:


HAHAHAHAHA, FARK OFF YOU DIPSHIATS. HAVE FUN WITH ST. JOHNS, DEPAUL, VILLANOVA, MARQUETTE AND PROVIDENCE IN THE "NOBODY GIVES A FARK" LEAGUE.
 
2011-09-19 12:09:05 PM

rickythepenguin: i don't even who's in the big east....pitt (rip), cuse....west viregina? va tech? fordham?


I am thinking about basketball to be honest. I am not a huge college football guy.
 
2011-09-19 12:10:14 PM
Good thing TCU bailed on that unstable Mountain West Conference.
 
2011-09-19 12:11:59 PM

Funzo: Good thing TCU bailed on that unstable Mountain West Conference.


That's the first thing that popped into my mind. Where do they go from here? And how's their basketball team?
 
2011-09-19 12:14:01 PM

Gunny Highway: I am thinking about basketball to be honest. I am not a huge college football guy.



im the opposite....the odler i get, the less time i have to follow all sports. 15 years ago i would watch the shiat out of, you know, a november matchup of Duke v St Johns, Texas v OK hoops, etc., and now i barely even watch march madness.
 
2011-09-19 12:14:30 PM
If this means my Irish will join the Big 10, then:

www.operatorchan.org
 
2011-09-19 12:17:40 PM
Welcome to Saturday, Subby.
 
2011-09-19 12:26:58 PM

rickythepenguin: Gunny Highway: I am thinking about basketball to be honest. I am not a huge college football guy.


im the opposite....the odler i get, the less time i have to follow all sports. 15 years ago i would watch the shiat out of, you know, a november matchup of Duke v St Johns, Texas v OK hoops, etc., and now i barely even watch march madness.


I have had to cut down on the ammount of sports I watch. Mostly just NBA and the Sox when I can. My weekends are usually pretty busy so I dont get to watch too much football.
 
2011-09-19 12:34:55 PM
i36.photobucket.com


This is not good for the bulls. Hopefully, the noles bolt for the SEC and the ACC wants to keep a foothold in Florida.
 
2011-09-19 12:37:14 PM

Devo: [i36.photobucket.com image 149x160]


This is not good for the bulls. Hopefully, the noles bolt for the SEC and the ACC wants to keep a foothold in Florida.


ACC voted unanimously to approve SYR and PITT, and it would cost FSU $20 million to leave. Somehow I doubt they're going anywhere.
 
2011-09-19 12:52:11 PM

cantthinkofafarkingname: If this means my Irish will join the Big 10, then:

[www.operatorchan.org image 596x329]


Yeah, it makes more sense than ever now. I hope they do it, too. They are already in the dead center of big 10 country. Obviously, some fans will have this reaction:

sportsblogs.star-telegram.com
 
2011-09-19 12:59:08 PM
My predictions

I don't think there's anyway that the Big East and Big 12 stay alive; at least not in terms of being AQ BCS conferences.

It looks like the PAC is going to end up with Texas, TT, Oklahoma, and Ok State. Not because they really want or need them, but because if everyone's going to 16, this is the only palatable option (they're not ever taking Boise, Nevada, SDST, Fresno, Hawaii, or whatever other western team you throw out there)

It looks like the ACC will add UConn and Rutgers. UConn is an obvious win on all counts. Rutgers is probably the best of the remaining viable options (I don't think they want anything to do w/ the remaining Big East teams, and they're not pulling anyone away from the SEC, Big 10, and aren't getting Texas)

Missouri and West Virginia are interesting as they'd fit in either the Big 10 or SEC. The SEC may feel the need to take one or both, just because I don't think they'll be able to pull the schools they want from the ACC (Va Tech, Fl St, etc). Course both schools are pretty much homeless at this point, and could get boned.

Kansas better hope the Big 10 wants to pick them up. Kansas St better hope the Big 10 is feeling sympathetic when (if) they are picking up Kansas.

Iowa St, Baylor, Louisville, Cincinnati, USF, Boise, TCU, sucks to be you.
 
2011-09-19 12:59:25 PM
t3.gstatic.com

Oops
 
2011-09-19 01:06:30 PM

rickythepenguin: Gunny Highway: Why do people hate the Big East again?


i don't even who's in the big east....pitt (rip), cuse....west viregina? va tech? fordham?

the only good thing about the inexorable march towards superconferences is that since so many bowl games have tie-ins to specific conferences (i.e., "the slurpee bowl is the #2 big east team vs the #2 acc team, and the ipod bowl is the #3 pac 10 team and the #3 big ten team") then the bowl games will lose their tie-ins, and we are one step closer to a playoff.


You could have implemented a playoff system irrespective of superconferences. The major schools want some sort of playoff system but they don't want a system that allows every division I school a fair shot. In essence the BCS was designed to keep non-traditional powers out of major bowls but with schools like TCU, BSU, and Utah all able to crash the party, it wasn't good enough. Essentially what's happening is that D1 is getting split into two tiers, a top tier that will have access to virtually all the TV revenue and a half-assed playoff system disguised as a few bowl games (but a playoff system nonetheless), and a second tier that essentially becomes irrelevant (in much that same way that I-AA, D2, and D3 are). Once the musical chairs stops, and the 4 major conferences are finished nuking the B12 and BE, they will then nuke the NCAA and set up their own governing body designed to maximize revenue while minimizing rules and standards. Once that's done, all but three or four of the bowls will get nuked. I guess that will make some people happy but I really see college football becoming more and more like the NFL (which I don't find all that interesting).
 
2011-09-19 01:12:50 PM

iamskibibitz: You could have implemented a playoff system irrespective of superconferences.


i agree.


iamskibibitz: Once the musical chairs stops, and the 4 major conferences are finished nuking the B12 and BE, they will then nuke the NCAA and set up their own governing body designed to maximize revenue while minimizing rules and standards.


i've thought about that and wondered how that will affect Title IX.

if you have a "football and basketball only" regulatory authority (i.e., the successor to the NCAA in your scenario), how will the non-revenue sports exist and or sruvive? would this agent still require a given university's football/basketball program to, under Title IX, fund the non-revenue / women's athletic programs?

it is a pretty farking huge question that frankly, i don't think iv'e heard anyone other than myself bring up. we can all thump our chest and sound the battle cry for RAWR I LOVE COLLEGE FOOTBALL RAWRRRR but then there's a federal law that mandates how that money is distributed; my question is how would superconferences / football only, whatever, exist in a Title IX world?
 
2011-09-19 01:31:46 PM

rickythepenguin: iamskibibitz: You could have implemented a playoff system irrespective of superconferences.

i agree.


iamskibibitz: Once the musical chairs stops, and the 4 major conferences are finished nuking the B12 and BE, they will then nuke the NCAA and set up their own governing body designed to maximize revenue while minimizing rules and standards.

i've thought about that and wondered how that will affect Title IX.

if you have a "football and basketball only" regulatory authority (i.e., the successor to the NCAA in your scenario), how will the non-revenue sports exist and or sruvive? would this agent still require a given university's football/basketball program to, under Title IX, fund the non-revenue / women's athletic programs?

it is a pretty farking huge question that frankly, i don't think iv'e heard anyone other than myself bring up. we can all thump our chest and sound the battle cry for RAWR I LOVE COLLEGE FOOTBALL RAWRRRR but then there's a federal law that mandates how that money is distributed; my question is how would superconferences / football only, whatever, exist in a Title IX world?


The answer is they don't. Congress would destroy them by taking away federal research dollars, which in most cases is probably more important than the TV dollars (don't tell the ADs that, but the Presidents already know this). They need NCAA to help them cover the butts in such a scenario. Leaving the inept NCAA removes that shield from Congress.
 
2011-09-19 01:33:26 PM
Pitt seems like a good move for the ACC--they're a top-tier basketball school, and their football team is at least marginally competitive, most years. But Syracuse? WTF do they bring to the table? Syracuse football has been a joke for as long as I've watched the sport. WVU to the ACC would have made a lot more sense, IMO.

In other news, though, what does it say when the Big East can lose two of their top 3 basketball programs, and still lay reasonable claim to being the best basketball conference?
 
2011-09-19 01:34:23 PM
Has anyone thought of the impact of shuttling volleyball, women's swim, men's tennis, etc., teams 1000+ miles for ordinary conference games? I'd be pretty leery about the PAC-12 adding UT, Texas Tech, OU, and OSU to the PAC-12 and ACC for that reason, as it seems the PAC-12 and (to a lesser extent) the ACC care more about the non-revenue sports than the other conferences.

Some conferences will insist all teams play each other in all sports (with some exception to football) but others don't mind if you only show up for the conference tournament in the individual sports.

UConn would be a great fit for the ACC, both in terms of markets to cover and in athletic program quality.

West Virginia is a good fit in terms of athletics, but not so much academically and you get markets (DC, Pittsburgh) that you've already got covered.

I'm not sure what the appeal of Rutgers is aside from access to the NYC market, but I don't see what the ACC gets with Rutgers that they've already gotten from Syracuse and UConn (if the rumors of the latter hold true). I suspect they're holding out for something better.

I can't see the ACC losing anyone. While Virginia Tech might be tempted to jump to the SEC (and they're the biggest enchilada in terms of football team quality AND access to markets) the rise in exit fees and the bad blood that'd be generated (lots of powerful folks here twisted UVA's institutional arms to make sure Virginia Tech could get in the ACC).

I suspect TCU might be able to lawyer up and get out of jumping to the Big East given that the entity they made their agreement with doesn't exist in the same form anymore. If they didn't put in a "if someone leaves the Big East, we reserve the right to abrogate this agreement blah blah blah" clause I'd be surprised.
 
2011-09-19 01:35:22 PM

Gunny Highway: This makes me really sad. I love Big East basketball and have some great memories of going to the Big East Tournament with my dad and brother as a kid.

So long Big East. You will be missed.


I saw some quote from the ACC Commissioner talking about how he would love to bring the ACC tournament to Madison Square Garden.

Now as bold and galling as this suggestion is on many levels, it could be freakin' awesome.
 
2011-09-19 01:39:35 PM

stpickrell: Has anyone thought of the impact of shuttling volleyball, women's swim, men's tennis, etc., teams 1000+ miles for ordinary conference games? I'd be pretty leery about the PAC-12 adding UT, Texas Tech, OU, and OSU to the PAC-12 and ACC for that reason, as it seems the PAC-12 and (to a lesser extent) the ACC care more about the non-revenue sports than the other conferences.


I can't speak for the PAC-##, but if the ACC does end up with Rutgers and UConn (as the speculation seems to indicate), a north/south conference division would make a ton of sense and make travel easier for pretty much every sport.
 
2011-09-19 01:58:39 PM

Supes: Gunny Highway: This makes me really sad. I love Big East basketball and have some great memories of going to the Big East Tournament with my dad and brother as a kid.

So long Big East. You will be missed.

I saw some quote from the ACC Commissioner talking about how he would love to bring the ACC tournament to Madison Square Garden.

Now as bold and galling as this suggestion is on many levels, it could be freakin' awesome.


That would be pretty sweet.

Basketball tournaments in MSG. Football championship games in FedEx Field.
 
2011-09-19 02:07:44 PM

Supes: stpickrell: Has anyone thought of the impact of shuttling volleyball, women's swim, men's tennis, etc., teams 1000+ miles for ordinary conference games? I'd be pretty leery about the PAC-12 adding UT, Texas Tech, OU, and OSU to the PAC-12 and ACC for that reason, as it seems the PAC-12 and (to a lesser extent) the ACC care more about the non-revenue sports than the other conferences.

I can't speak for the PAC-##, but if the ACC does end up with Rutgers and UConn (as the speculation seems to indicate), a north/south conference division would make a ton of sense and make travel easier for pretty much every sport.


Proposed divisions:

North - Boston College, UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech
South - North Carolina, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, Clemson, Gerogia Tech, Florida State, Miami

That's not only geographically sensible but it actually makes things pretty well-balanced too, in terms of both football and basketball no less.
 
2011-09-19 02:08:43 PM

rickythepenguin: it is a pretty farking huge question that frankly, i don't think iv'e heard anyone other than myself bring up. we can all thump our chest and sound the battle cry for RAWR I LOVE COLLEGE FOOTBALL RAWRRRR but then there's a federal law that mandates how that money is distributed; my question is how would superconferences / football only, whatever, exist in a Title IX world?


This is a big part of why the talking heads on ESPN and elsewhere are so obviously clueless - especially when they talk about paying football/basketball players at the expense of funding for other sports. Title IX lawyers would destroy any AD that even thought about actually proposing that in about 2 seconds. I'm suprised that there aren't already people suiting up about the impact to the non revenue sports in terms of student welfare having to travel so much. I'm ussually not a Title IX supporter at all, but these kinds of discussions are showing why the law needs to be there.
 
2011-09-19 02:11:00 PM
Anthony works in the grocery store
Savin' his pennies for someday
Mama Leone left a note on the door,
She said,
"Sonny, move out to the country."
Workin' too hard can give you
A heart attackackackackackack
You oughta know by now
Who needs a house out in Hackensack?
Is that all you get for your money?

And it seems such a waste of time
If that's what it's all about
Mama, If that's movin' up then I'm movin' out.
Mmm, I'm movin' out. Ooh-hoo, uh-huh, mmmm

Sergeant O'Leary is walkin' the beat
At night he becomes a bartender
He works at Mister Cacciatore's down
On Sullivan Street
Across from the medical center
Yeah and he's tradin' in his Chevy for a Cadillacacacacacacacac
You oughta know by now
And if he can't drive
With a broken back
At least he can polish the fenders

And It seems such a waste of time
If that's what it's all about
Mama, If that's movin' up then I'm movin' out.
Mmm, I'm movin' out. Ooh-hoo, uh-huh, mmmm

You should never argue with a crazy mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mind
You oughta know by now
You can pay Uncle Sam with the overtime
Is that all you get for your money?

And if that's what you have in mind
yeah if that's what you're all about
Good luck movin' up 'cause I'm movin' out.
Mmm, I'm movin' out. Ooh-hoo, uh-huh, mmmm

I'm movin' out...
 
2011-09-19 02:20:21 PM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Proposed divisions:

North - Boston College, UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech
South - North Carolina, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, Clemson, Gerogia Tech, Florida State, Miami

That's not only geographically sensible but it actually makes things pretty well-balanced too, in terms of both football and basketball no less.


Maryland is a charter member of the ACC. Sticking them with those other schools is a punishment.
 
2011-09-19 02:33:00 PM
Looks like the only conferences based in the Northeast will be a bunch of D2 and D3's. Kind of sucks
 
2011-09-19 02:38:07 PM
Whoa. Did not see this coming. Thought for sure the big XII was falling in, then the Big East takes this hit. Knee-jerk by the ACC to glut up on teams before the SEC and B1G start cherry picking?
 
2011-09-19 02:39:49 PM

Yanks_RSJ: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Proposed divisions:

North - Boston College, UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech
South - North Carolina, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, Clemson, Gerogia Tech, Florida State, Miami

That's not only geographically sensible but it actually makes things pretty well-balanced too, in terms of both football and basketball no less.

Maryland is a charter member of the ACC. Sticking them with those other schools is a punishment.


? Maybe Maryland should perform better on the field/court, and they won't have anything to be punished for?
 
2011-09-19 02:40:06 PM

chuggernaught: Whoa. Did not see this coming. Thought for sure the big XII was falling in, then the Big East takes this hit. Knee-jerk by the ACC to glut up on teams before the SEC and B1G start cherry picking?


Syracuse had offered a lot of interest back in 2005, and the ACC told them "not now" or something similar.
 
2011-09-19 02:41:19 PM
I just want a home for my Baylor Bears. Is that too much to ask?

/Apparently.
 
2011-09-19 02:42:50 PM

Supes: Gunny Highway: This makes me really sad. I love Big East basketball and have some great memories of going to the Big East Tournament with my dad and brother as a kid.

So long Big East. You will be missed.

I saw some quote from the ACC Commissioner talking about how he would love to bring the ACC tournament to Madison Square Garden.

Now as bold and galling as this suggestion is on many levels, it could be freakin' awesome.


I guess something would have to replace the Big East Tourni there.
 
2011-09-19 03:05:41 PM

chuggernaught: Whoa. Did not see this coming. Thought for sure the big XII was falling in, then the Big East takes this hit. Knee-jerk by the ACC to glut up on teams before the SEC and B1G start cherry picking?


I think this may have played a big role. It seems like the SEC, Big 10, and PAC-XX are all pretty solidly placed if the superconference movement starts escalating more. If you assume there will be four, I think it was a real toss up as to who would survive as the final conference. Now, the ACC has laid a pretty hefty claim to that final spot.
 
2011-09-19 03:06:58 PM

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: I just want a home for my Baylor Bears. Is that too much to ask?

/Apparently.


2.bp.blogspot.com

Obviously heading here
 
2011-09-19 03:09:02 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Devo: [i36.photobucket.com image 149x160]


This is not good for the bulls. Hopefully, the noles bolt for the SEC and the ACC wants to keep a foothold in Florida.

ACC voted unanimously to approve SYR and PITT, and it would cost FSU $20 million to leave. Somehow I doubt they're going anywhere.


Wasn't the buyout before already at $15 million? In any event, $20 million doesn't seem like much in comparison to the giant sacks of SEC money they'd be getting if they joined.
 
2011-09-19 03:09:05 PM

greenbowlpacker: Obviously heading here


That's gonna suck out loud, seeing as all the money we spent to be in the Big 12. Friggin' aggies and horns...
 
2011-09-19 03:20:20 PM
The MAC would be open to adding any reject Big 12 or Big East teams. We have some quality competition already, but Im sure those schools can get up to speed in no time.
 
2011-09-19 03:21:26 PM

Neamhan: Yanks_RSJ: Devo: [i36.photobucket.com image 149x160]


This is not good for the bulls. Hopefully, the noles bolt for the SEC and the ACC wants to keep a foothold in Florida.

ACC voted unanimously to approve SYR and PITT, and it would cost FSU $20 million to leave. Somehow I doubt they're going anywhere.

Wasn't the buyout before already at $15 million? In any event, $20 million doesn't seem like much in comparison to the giant sacks of SEC money they'd be getting if they joined.


Most teams want stability first, payday second. The acc has pretty much shored up all the stability they can, especially with the heightened buyout.
The teams who were most likely to bail earlier are for the most part convinced that there is ample stability. Plus, they are the two teams poised to win the acc in football for some time (vt and fsu).
 
2011-09-19 03:24:16 PM

Thoguh: rickythepenguin: it is a pretty farking huge question that frankly, i don't think iv'e heard anyone other than myself bring up. we can all thump our chest and sound the battle cry for RAWR I LOVE COLLEGE FOOTBALL RAWRRRR but then there's a federal law that mandates how that money is distributed; my question is how would superconferences / football only, whatever, exist in a Title IX world?

This is a big part of why the talking heads on ESPN and elsewhere are so obviously clueless - especially when they talk about paying football/basketball players at the expense of funding for other sports. Title IX lawyers would destroy any AD that even thought about actually proposing that in about 2 seconds. I'm suprised that there aren't already people suiting up about the impact to the non revenue sports in terms of student welfare having to travel so much. I'm ussually not a Title IX supporter at all, but these kinds of discussions are showing why the law needs to be there.


As much as I absolutely abhor the current setup of Title IX and its inability to account for the inordinate number of men to women who wish to participate in college sports, I'm pretty sure that stupid farking law is gonna eventually stop this. The problem is that it's gonna take some time for numbers, etc. to wash out and show that this is actively hurting programs. As far as I'm concerned, and believe me I've said it a billion times, I think college football should be set up like college hockey, with little to no tie to the rest of the conference world. It works in college hockey, hell it works in FCS, why the fark do we need to keep realigning every other goddamned sport just so 60 or so teams can get football money?
 
2011-09-19 03:26:13 PM

Neamhan: Yanks_RSJ: Devo: [i36.photobucket.com image 149x160]


This is not good for the bulls. Hopefully, the noles bolt for the SEC and the ACC wants to keep a foothold in Florida.

ACC voted unanimously to approve SYR and PITT, and it would cost FSU $20 million to leave. Somehow I doubt they're going anywhere.

Wasn't the buyout before already at $15 million? In any event, $20 million doesn't seem like much in comparison to the giant sacks of SEC money they'd be getting if they joined.


Buyout was $10-13m, so it was kind of a big hike.
 
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