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(BBC)   Scientists to go on trial for not predicting the power of God   (news.bbc.co.uk) divider line 122
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2011-09-17 08:50:32 PM
rczeien:
If you read the article, they are claiming the scientist said there was nothing to worry about. Failing to predict an earthquake is not a crime, but claiming to know that their won't be one, that could be a crime.

Does anyone know what message the scientists actually put out?
There is a big difference between saying "Currently we don't have any evidence to indicate that a large earthquake is going to occur", as opposed to saying, " There is not going to be a large Earthquake".

Having said that, it has been my experience that a lot of people will intepret the first message as the second.
 
2011-09-17 09:13:11 PM
Why would anyone ever work in this agency if they know they could be put in jail on manslaughter charges if the public decides to blame them for a natural disaster? These kinds of predictions are almost always done probabilistically rather than deterministically. If they say there is only a 20% chance of a major earthquake and there's a major earthquake, that should happen roughly once every five times such a prediction is made.
 
2011-09-17 09:32:35 PM

Rik01: I've read articles about the stupidity of the Italian legal and Political system for quite some time and came to the conclusion that, compared to them, our lawmakers and elected officials are armatures.


if_i_really_have_to: Rik01: Sorry!! I meant AMATURES!

Amateurs.


i.imgur.com
R.I.P. ARMOIRE

i.imgur.com
R.I.P. APERTURE

i.imgur.com
R.I.P. ARM CHAIR


I think that about covers it...
 
2011-09-17 10:04:32 PM
I can see something like this happening if the current crop of GOP presidential hopefuls manages to get elected. It wouldn't personally be their fault, but the thought they'd support this kind of thing would get some prosecutor going.
 
2011-09-17 10:18:47 PM
Yeah, you know, Italy, screaming "Waaah! Science didn't tell me what it didn't know!" Just makes you look stupid.

/Yeah, I know they're on trial for saying all was well. As far as they knew, all was well.
//And Italy, please stop giving the Teabaggers ideas.
 
2011-09-17 10:19:23 PM
talesfromtheer.com
 
2011-09-17 10:55:09 PM

Farking Canuck: And the war on science continues.

Why do people see Idiocracy as a desirable future?


Just wanted to be the first to point out that not everyone RTFA, and are making hysterical claims about religeon destroying science.
Y'know, making a judgement based on one trolltastic headline and basing their argument around it.

/like religeon, but lazier.
 
2011-09-17 11:36:51 PM
Alright, douchebags (not everyone here, some people seem to have some reading skills), how about reading the farking article (and understanding it) before falling for a trollerific headline.

There were some ground tremors, people were worried and many would probably have slept outside, but the scientists said there's no need to worry (how would they know?) and everyone went back inside and then they were buried alive when the real quake came.

So, it's not about the eggheads not predicting the quake, it's about them saying EVERYTHING IS FINE DON'T WORRY when they didn't really know for certain.

In fact, they freaking admitted that they can't accurately predict a quake, so how the fark could they predict that a quake would NOT occur?

It's like you going to your doctor complaining of heart pains, and he makes you breathe in and out, taps on your chest two times and says "You're doin' fine, Jim." and sends you home instead of a hospital to get checked out, and you get a heart attack and die.
 
2011-09-17 11:51:33 PM

Gaylord Fister: Alright, douchebags (not everyone here, some people seem to have some reading skills), how about reading the farking article (and understanding it) before falling for a trollerific headline.

There were some ground tremors, people were worried and many would probably have slept outside, but the scientists said there's no need to worry (how would they know?) and everyone went back inside and then they were buried alive when the real quake came.

So, it's not about the eggheads not predicting the quake, it's about them saying EVERYTHING IS FINE DON'T WORRY when they didn't really know for certain.


The article says no such thing.
 
2011-09-17 11:58:30 PM
LouDobbsAwaaaay:

> The article says no such thing.

Oh but it does, I assure you. It's there, somewhere in all those words.
 
2011-09-18 01:38:36 AM

Gaylord Fister: LouDobbsAwaaaay:

> The article says no such thing.

Oh but it does, I assure you. It's there, somewhere in all those words.


You notice these words don't include what the scientists said ad verbatim?

Was it probability or was it lack of evidence? Did they say specifically there are no earthquakes?
 
2011-09-18 03:52:25 AM
The more I learn about Italy, the more I hate that country. Their scientists, their legal system, their government, and how the entire population turns a blind eye to it all... fark Italy...
 
2011-09-18 04:50:37 AM
Let's sue this guy's mom for failing to predict that she was going to give birth to a douchebag,
 
2011-09-18 05:22:27 AM
I'm starting to the the impression that Italy is kinda the Alabama inbred portion of Europe.
 
2011-09-18 07:47:39 AM

Summercat: Did... anyone else notice that they're more being put on trial for saying everything is fine, don't worry, based apparently on only an hour looking at things?


Yes.

The operative rule being that, whereas you can't get in trouble for an inability to predict the future, you can get in trouble for claiming you know what theyou risks are when you don't.

Unless the effects wont play out for years and you are backed by powerful political groups.
 
2011-09-18 09:50:53 AM
1) Scientists establish themselves as authorities on earthquake prediction
2) Scientists tell residents "move along, nothing to see here" when intense fore-shocks occur
3) People who follow the counsel of these scientists die
4) Affected families sue scientists
5) Scientists deny that they were authorities on earthquake prediction
6) Brain dead lickers-of-scientist'-anuses on fark go into convulsions
 
2011-09-18 09:52:28 AM

Animatronik: Summercat: Did... anyone else notice that they're more being put on trial for saying everything is fine, don't worry, based apparently on only an hour looking at things?

Yes.

The operative rule being that, whereas you can't get in trouble for an inability to predict the future, you can get in trouble for claiming you know what theyou risks are when you don't.

Unless the effects wont play out for years and you are backed by powerful political groups.


Kinda like global cooling, no, global warming sorry Climate Change?
 
2011-09-18 01:26:02 PM
It's Italy for chrissake. If they starting putting criminals in jail the place would cease to function, so this is the next best thing.
 
2011-09-18 03:03:35 PM
Well look at all the f*ckstains who keep saying nothing is wrong with this and yelling at us for "not reading the article" and calling everyone idiots.

No my friends, you are the idiots. Unless the facts and data said there was a high likelihood of an earthquake and they told everyone the opposite then MAYBE there should be some kind of punishment. Ya know... like lose their jobs and be mocked in scientific journals and whatnot. But don't you think if they had seen evidence of an impending quake they would have told people so? Manslaughter? C'mon! I'm assuming all the dum dums in here trying to justify this are anti science mouth breathers hell bent on the destruction of all modern scientific logic because it consistently makes your baby Jebus look like the fairy tale he is.

If they are going to go after anyone it should be the engineers and city planners that allowed unsafe buildings to be erected in a known earthquake zone and/or did nothing to reinforce or condemn buildings that wouldn't be able to survive a large earthquake.

This is likely a case of politicians trying pass the blame for not doing THEIR jobs.

So shut up you anti-intellectual fart knockers. Even when you seem to have a "win" you end up sound like a bunch of primitive cro-mags.
 
2011-09-18 06:38:44 PM

Ostman: Farking Canuck: And the war on science continues.

Why do people see Idiocracy as a desirable future?

Just wanted to be the first to point out that not everyone RTFA, and are making hysterical claims about religeon destroying science.
Y'know, making a judgement based on one trolltastic headline and basing their argument around it.

/like religeon, but lazier.


I don't see anywhere in my post any mention of religion. Not to say that there aren't many religious groups on the front lines attacking science ... in this case it is just stupid, whiny people.
 
2011-09-19 12:12:39 AM

Poppa Boner: Well look at all the f*ckstains who keep saying nothing is wrong with this and yelling at us for "not reading the article" and calling everyone idiots.

No my friends, you are the idiots. Unless the facts and data said there was a high likelihood of an earthquake and they told everyone the opposite then MAYBE there should be some kind of punishment. Ya know... like lose their jobs and be mocked in scientific journals and whatnot. But don't you think if they had seen evidence of an impending quake they would have told people so? Manslaughter? C'mon! I'm assuming all the dum dums in here trying to justify this are anti science mouth breathers hell bent on the destruction of all modern scientific logic because it consistently makes your baby Jebus look like the fairy tale he is.

If they are going to go after anyone it should be the engineers and city planners that allowed unsafe buildings to be erected in a known earthquake zone and/or did nothing to reinforce or condemn buildings that wouldn't be able to survive a large earthquake.

This is likely a case of politicians trying pass the blame for not doing THEIR jobs.

So shut up you anti-intellectual fart knockers. Even when you seem to have a "win" you end up sound like a bunch of primitive cro-mags.


Sorry, it really depends on what they said exactly. If they said something scientifically wrong, like if they said that the tremblers didn't indicate an increased likelihood of earthquake when the science would say otherwise, then there is a case. If they said something firm when science indicated uncertainty, then there is also a case. I hope they said something scientifically sound and also vague.

But at some point, when the apparent authority in charge of warning people tells people "there is nothing to worry about" when in fact they don't know, and then that prevents people from taking prudent action, then there is some culpability.

Yes, other people like building code, construction quality, emergency response, may also be culpable.
 
2011-09-19 03:07:49 PM

jabelar: Sorry, it really depends on what they said exactly. If they said something scientifically wrong, like if they said that the tremblers didn't indicate an increased likelihood of earthquake when the science would say otherwise, then there is a case. If they said something firm when science indicated uncertainty, then there is also a case. I hope they said something scientifically sound and also vague.


Still wouldn't justify manslaughter charges.
 
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