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2011-09-16 11:41:07 PM  

HeartlessLibertarian: What kind of 74 year old man still dyes his hair....a weirdo trying to be young. He was probably was in bad place mentally before he dived bombed the VIP area full of rich people he either envied or held in disdain.


He probably owed them money. Racing planes is expensive. Since he was losing the race, he probably figured, fark it, I'll solve it all at once. Then he hit the throttle.
 
2011-09-16 11:41:45 PM  

frenchcheesemuseum: Wombatzu: Notice that guy in the livestream video in the black shirt... He jumps the barricade, runs up to the carnage and starts to take pictures, and then starts to back up and walk away like, "Fark this." Douche of the world.

THIS is why I find it interesting. A car blew up in front of my house a few months ago. Screaming metal and busting glass that close will make you run down the stairs quickly. I took a few quick snaps of the car exploding and then ran back upstairs to throw up. I did not go back out until a cop knocked on my door to ask if I saw anything. I did not even stay to see if everyone got out. The car was on fire before it even came to a stop and when it did it exploded. INSANITY

I didn't want to see bodies but I did want to show friends how close to my place it was. I understand the initial reaction of taking pics.

I doubt I'd have run into that crowd though if I had been that close. I'd probably be vomiting.


There's a scene similar to that in the Great Waldo Pepper that always haunts me, because it makes me wonder what I would do if I came across an accident scene, or worse, an accident scene involving relatives.

(Possible spoilers to the Great Waldo Pepper)

There are two sequences in this film that stuck with me as a child, and then again later, when I rewatched the film on VHS as an undergraduate in the early 1990s. The first is when Waldo's friend and colleague Ezra, attempts to perform a demanding stunt, the 'outside loop' in a monoplane of his own design, a plane and a stunt that were intended for Waldo, who is forced to watch from the ground due to his temporary suspension from flying after an accident in which a woman died. The outside loop involves tipping the plane into a vertical dive, and then levelling out halfway through the manoeuvre upside down, then climbing back up to the original starting position. It is much more difficult than a conventional 'loop-the-loop' (an 'inside loop'), because the G-forces are much greater, as is the required engine power and the resulting stress on the plane's wings. After several abortive attempts and near-misses, Ezra stalls out in the last phase of the manoeuvre, as he attempts to push the plane back up over the top, and plummets to the ground. Before Ezra has even hit, Waldo is off running to the crash site, but he is followed closely by the excited crowd.

Ezra is alive, but trapped in the wreckage. As gasoline spills, and Waldo tries to get him out, Ezra becomes hysterical. 'Waldo, they're smoking, they're smoking!', he shouts at the rubberneckers around the plane holding their cigarettes, and then, as the inevitable happens and the gasoline ignites, 'Waldo! Don't let me burn! .... I'm burning, Waldo!' Waldo knows it's too late. He can't get Ezra out now, it's impossible, there's nothing he can do, so he picks up a piece of wood, and brings it down, hard. Then he pushes through the crowd and makes for a plane. Furious, he takes off and swoops down low, right over the heads of the crowd, who are now gathered around a funeral pyre. Waldo's impetuous behaviour seals his fate. He has flown without a license, and moreover, in a deliberately reckless manner, so now he is banned permanently. In a bitter coda, we learn that Kessler, who is now working in America as a stunt pilot, has successfully performed an outside loop with another flying circus.

Ezra's death illustrates the role of empathy and catharsis in dramatic performance, or rather the idea that a certain kind of performance - the spectacle - does not permit true identification, but rather encourages voyeurism, a debased kind of pseudo-empathy. As we watch a war film - say, the opening of Saving Private Ryan - we are, according to this critique, little better than the spectators surrounding Ezra's crashed plane. Our pleasure is derived from how closely these simulated deaths resemble actual deaths, but unlike the participants, who commit their whole bodies to the experience, and who risk injury and death in doing so, we do not really have anything at stake, existentially, and that is why our voyeurism is immoral. Ezra's death in The Great Waldo Pepper is not a reenactment, but it does teach us that true empathy requires us to be involved directly. Among the spectators, only Waldo really feels Ezra's predicament, and the consequence of that identification is that he must kill Ezra. 'Waldo! Don't let me burn!'
 
2011-09-16 11:43:02 PM  

HeartlessLibertarian: What kind of 74 year old man still dyes his hair....a weirdo trying to be young. He was probably was in bad place mentally before he dived bombed the VIP area full of rich people he either envied or held in disdain.


i.imgur.com

/and on ignore
 
2011-09-16 11:43:02 PM  

HeartlessLibertarian: What kind of 74 year old man still dyes his hair....a weirdo trying to be young. He was probably was in bad place mentally before he dived bombed the VIP area full of rich people he either envied or held in disdain.


I have to say that you have done some quality trolling here tonight even as the screaming and bleeding goes on in the ERs.

So you have that going for you...
 
2011-09-16 11:43:13 PM  
i46.photobucket.com

/the free form selector in paint sucks ass
 
2011-09-16 11:43:22 PM  

frenchcheesemuseum: Shadow Blasko: I've been first on the scene after a tornado destroyed a couple houses.

I JUST SAW my first tornado yesterday. We got it on video and a picture. There hasn't ever been a tornado here. I was lucky it was far enough away to not be scared silly.

They used a picture I sent in on the news.


I used to chase, and I am working towards a degree in EMS management/severe weather information dissemination.

Can I see your pics? /EIP
 
2011-09-16 11:43:46 PM  

HeartlessLibertarian: No one can explain to me at all how mechanical failure could cause those precise movements that first turned, stopped turning, then dived


I should know better, I suppose.

Anyway, the aircraft was rolling right and pulling positive Gs the entire time, from what I saw. Aerodynamics and flight controls are not so simple as to simply say "X caused Y" but there are two types of control failures that are consistent with a slow but uncontrollable right roll; a jammed or otherwise failed aileron or a rudder that's stuck in a right deflection position.
 
2011-09-16 11:44:33 PM  

Propain_az: He was a tea bagger trying to kill off-white, brown and black people. And women. And poor people. THis motherfarker isn't a hero, he is a god damned terrorist.


Cerebral hemorrhage, the ultimate terrorist.
 
2011-09-16 11:44:40 PM  

Klivian: Having been to a NASCAR race where Robbie Gordon's hood came off his car and flew into the crowd (Daytona July race, 2003), that argument doesn't hold water. Debris can be nastier than an intact vehicle


Really? How many people were killed by Derpy McDerp's hood? And would they not have been safer had they not been a f*cking redneck and gone to see a bunch of f*cking cars race around in an oval 500 f*cking times, as if it were somehow exciting?

/did i not f*cking say 'cars *rarely* go airborne?
//shut the f*ck up, dickbag, you're wrong, I'm right
 
2011-09-16 11:45:57 PM  
HeartlessLibertarian is obviously doing a satire of a 9/11-truther on this whole thing, and frankly I'm amazed at how many bites he's getting.

Well actually, considering how many bites the truthers get in the 9/11 threads, maybe I'm not.
 
2011-09-16 11:46:04 PM  

HeartlessLibertarian: What kind of 74 year old man still dyes his hair....a weirdo trying to be young.


He probably fell asleep, you know how old people like to take frequent naps.
 
2011-09-16 11:46:18 PM  
Wow, heartless trolls should at least be funny. 0/10.
 
2011-09-16 11:46:41 PM  
That video makes me think air races must be the damnest dull event imaginable. Wow, so they fly around in a circle a bunch of times, huh. Wild.
 
2011-09-16 11:47:07 PM  

Wombatzu: HeartlessLibertarian: What kind of 74 year old man still dyes his hair....a weirdo trying to be young. He was probably was in bad place mentally before he dived bombed the VIP area full of rich people he either envied or held in disdain.

I have to say that you have done some quality trolling here tonight even as the screaming and bleeding goes on in the ERs.

So you have that going for you...


screaming and bleeding? Cryin' and dyin' at least rhymes.

\yeah motherfarker I'm the Rhymenoceros
 
2011-09-16 11:47:28 PM  

costermonger: Kirk's_Toupee: so, they alter the p-51s to race?

Many of them, yes.


Early model p51s look a lot different than the p51d
 
2011-09-16 11:47:46 PM  

krackpipe: Propain_az: He was a tea bagger trying to kill off-white, brown and black people. And women. And poor people. THis motherfarker isn't a hero, he is a god damned terrorist.

Cerebral hemorrhage, the ultimate terrorist.


Proof?
 
2011-09-16 11:48:24 PM  
all around bad camera work by everyone, amateur and professional.
 
2011-09-16 11:48:52 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: Early model p51s look a lot different than the p51d


Yup.


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2011-09-16 11:49:02 PM  

Confabulat: That video makes me think air races must be the damnest dull event imaginable. Wow, so they fly around in a circle a bunch of times, huh. Wild.


yeah, but we are just waiting for the crash!
 
2011-09-16 11:49:51 PM  

RealAmericanHero: I was also look at this on ogrishforum, and figure this might be an interesting post from over there to pull over here (from someone else:)

"I was just on phone, with my friend Dave's girlfriend.

They are there and the plane hit just 100' from where they were watching, and apparently my friend dave has lost part of his right arm, midway between the elbow and wrist. Severed completely off from shrapnel.

Its so weird watching an event like this on news, and know someone affected by this.

Am gonna be talking to him hopefully, he has surgery in about an hour from now as he is apparently pretty banged up. His girlfriend, right next to him when it happened, does not have a scratch on her."


On the bright side, he'll have another option to try if they have a bunch of kids and she gets really loose.

/I'd ask for an aisle seat, but flying is dangerous ...
 
2011-09-16 11:51:20 PM  

Confabulat: That video makes me think air races must be the damnest dull event imaginable. Wow, so they fly around in a circle a bunch of times, huh. Wild.


I enjoy the red bull variety but I've never understood the appeal of Reno.
 
2011-09-16 11:53:07 PM  
pretty good still image (SFW), though almost ruined by YET ANOTHER douchebag standing up blocking the view.
 
2011-09-16 11:54:15 PM  

Propain_az: Confabulat: That video makes me think air races must be the damnest dull event imaginable. Wow, so they fly around in a circle a bunch of times, huh. Wild.

yeah, but we are just waiting for the crash!


Maybe Air Races, but I love our Air Show. It's thrilling to see things like a stealth bomber fly over you - low - silent and creepy. Or to feel, hear and SEE a jet break the sound barrier 300 yards in front of you. I'm at the beach though, so there is a more reasonable chance they'll crash in the sea.
 
2011-09-16 11:54:18 PM  

schief2: HeartlessLibertarian is obviously doing a satire of a 9/11-truther on this whole thing, and frankly I'm amazed at how many bites he's getting.

Well actually, considering how many bites the truthers get in the 9/11 threads, maybe I'm not.


I was feeding him on purpose, until he just got lazy/stupid.
 
2011-09-16 11:54:47 PM  

klymen: all around bad camera work by everyone, amateur and professional.


I don't appreciate that one guy saying "Holy shiat" over and over. I was pretty offended. Control yourself when you see people die.
 
2011-09-16 11:55:14 PM  

Dansker: Geologist: I left the races about an hour before this happened. We may have just lost a bunch of good people. :(

I watched an earlier heat from right where he hit.

I was going to make a comment along the lines of "they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into...", but now that feels really wrong. Glad you're okay, man.


It's cool, we did buy our tickets, and we did know what we were getting into. Doesn't make it suck any less, but in general, people willing to shell out that kind of money to watch old planes and jets go round and round in a circle are pretty aware of what can go wrong.

The word from the press report is that over 100 bystanders with medical training started treating victims as before the dust cleared. The nature of the crash caused a lot of amputations and lacerations. The quick response of the volunteers probably saved a lot of lives. On one hand, I'm glad wasn't there. On the other, if I had been, I know I would have been trying to help as well.
 
2011-09-16 11:55:55 PM  

RealAmericanHero: I was also look at this on ogrishforum, and figure this might be an interesting post from over there to pull over here (from someone else:)

"I was just on phone, with my friend Dave's girlfriend.

They are there and the plane hit just 100' from where they were watching, and apparently my friend dave has lost part of his right arm, midway between the elbow and wrist. Severed completely off from shrapnel.

Its so weird watching an event like this on news, and know someone affected by this.

Am gonna be talking to him hopefully, he has surgery in about an hour from now as he is apparently pretty banged up. His girlfriend, right next to him when it happened, does not have a scratch on her."


no shiat, my second cousin's adopted sister was there also! What a small world! LOL! We should be facebook friends! Anyway, my second cousin's adopted sister lost her left breast due shrapnel. Weird!
 
2011-09-16 11:57:06 PM  

costermonger: I enjoy the red bull variety but I've never understood the appeal of Reno.


Man Red Bull has a helicopter that does back flips and shiat. It was impressive. We get some big attractions at our air show.
 
2011-09-16 11:58:14 PM  

Geologist: Dansker: Geologist: I left the races about an hour before this happened. We may have just lost a bunch of good people. :(

I watched an earlier heat from right where he hit.

I was going to make a comment along the lines of "they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into...", but now that feels really wrong. Glad you're okay, man.

It's cool, we did buy our tickets, and we did know what we were getting into. Doesn't make it suck any less, but in general, people willing to shell out that kind of money to watch old planes and jets go round and round in a circle are pretty aware of what can go wrong.

The word from the press report is that over 100 bystanders with medical training started treating victims as before the dust cleared. The nature of the crash caused a lot of amputations and lacerations. The quick response of the volunteers probably saved a lot of lives. On one hand, I'm glad wasn't there. On the other, if I had been, I know I would have been trying to help as well.


cause that is how you roll. You just dive right in, ass deep in blood and guts, fighting the good fight! Saving the innocent from tyranny! Here's to you, savour of the victim, here is to you!
 
2011-09-16 11:58:57 PM  

frenchcheesemuseum: Propain_az: Confabulat: That video makes me think air races must be the damnest dull event imaginable. Wow, so they fly around in a circle a bunch of times, huh. Wild.

yeah, but we are just waiting for the crash!

Maybe Air Races, but I love our Air Show. It's thrilling to see things like a stealth bomber fly over you - low - silent and creepy. Or to feel, hear and SEE a jet break the sound barrier 300 yards in front of you. I'm at the beach though, so there is a more reasonable chance they'll crash in the sea.


When I was in the Navy, one time my ship got surprised by a couple of F-14s who were showboating like 50' above the water and wanted to see if they could 'scare us'. Happened to be on deck, it was pretty amazing once we got past the "WTF was that?"

Also got to see the USS Enterprise air wing put on an 'air show', with live ordnance drops, multiple supersonic flybys, fast roping Marines, etc. Pure awesome.
 
2011-09-17 12:04:22 AM  

Gleeman: Also got to see the USS Enterprise air wing put on an 'air show', with live ordnance drops, multiple supersonic flybys, fast roping Marines, etc. Pure awesome.


I saw a wing fall off a jet at the essex airshow. It crashed into a house. Nobody died. The pilot ejected safely and tried to land it in the water first. He hit a home on the water in Bowley's Quarters.

Link (new window) I WAS THERE
 
2011-09-17 12:06:02 AM  
Golly :(
 
2011-09-17 12:06:35 AM  
NEVER FORGET.
 
2011-09-17 12:09:35 AM  

Propain_az: krackpipe: Propain_az: He was a tea bagger trying to kill off-white, brown and black people. And women. And poor people. THis motherfarker isn't a hero, he is a god damned terrorist.

Cerebral hemorrhage, the ultimate terrorist.

Proof?


The final FAA report's been out for weeks.
 
2011-09-17 12:10:30 AM  

frenchcheesemuseum: Maybe Air Races, but I love our Air Show. It's thrilling to see things like a stealth bomber fly over you - low - silent and creepy. Or to feel, hear and SEE a jet break the sound barrier 300 yards in front of you. I'm at the beach though, so there is a more reasonable chance they'll crash in the sea.


I loved the one at MCAS Miramar. I worked in a business park nearby, and I had the keys to get to all the roofs to access our antennas and equipment.

There was nothing like being able to enjoy an airshow without any crowds, announcers, and as much liquor as I could handle while making sure I would probably not fall down the ladder at the end of the day.
 
2011-09-17 12:14:22 AM  

davidphogan:

There was nothing like being able to enjoy an airshow without any crowds, announcers, and as much liquor as I could handle while making sure I would probably not fall down the ladder at the end of the day.


Yeah where I'm at now I can enjoy most of the show from the beach without going to the actual show. But I can never escape the crowds.
 
2011-09-17 12:14:31 AM  
mikemoto: Occam's Razor: Jimmy crashed a plane in Reno, just to watch some people die.

Thread over.


Not really. Not clever.
 
2011-09-17 12:15:15 AM  

Gig103: What a shame a P-51 was destroyed.


My first thought.

Does that make me a bad person? Oh well.
 
2011-09-17 12:16:15 AM  
Wow, just watched the crash and aftermath. So many people just walking around not knowing what to do. There didn't seem to be any urgency. And what was up with the dude in the white shirt and white hat? He got taken out by some guy, straight to the ground.
 
2011-09-17 12:16:47 AM  

Godscrack: NEVER FORGET.

Perfect.
 
2011-09-17 12:21:03 AM  
I hate fark sometimes.

/cue van der beek if you must
//doesn't make you a non-douche if ya do
 
2011-09-17 12:22:04 AM  
I'm an ER nurse at the biggest hospital in Reno and I worked this clusterfark today, so I'm getting a big kick out of these replies.
 
2011-09-17 12:22:31 AM  
When someone dive bombs something with pin point accuracy in a giant open tarmac with unlimited space not to hit the audience....it seems MUCH more likely an intentional act than accidental.

And a jammed aileron could explain the initial turn, not it stopping the turn then preeding to dive. Notice in the dive there is no rotation to the craft, therefor it is extremely unlikely that the aileron was jammed.

In dive caused by rotational forces on the plain, such as the scenario you describe with the aileron, the plain precedes in a spiralled dive. In this scenario witnesses have described a straight nose dive, such as the maneuver WWII dive bombers would use....albeit they would level off after dropping their payload.

For him to have his machine cause a turn, then stop the turn, then dive, is not feasible. And the fact that he hit the box seats dead on, and not countless empty acres of tarmac....well its just absurd.

Before descending into that nose dive, even if he had lost aileron control, he still had the rudder controls that any pilot would then use if they weren't intending to go straight ahead, and could still have aimed anywhere but the audience. Any amount of pitch or yaw from these could have saved those lives...
 
2011-09-17 12:23:14 AM  

Man_Without_A_Hat: I'm an ER nurse at the biggest hospital in Reno and I worked this clusterfark today, so I'm getting a big kick out of these replies.


Oh man. I bet that was depressing as hell.
 
2011-09-17 12:25:11 AM  
why does spell check make me right plain not plane...arg
 
2011-09-17 12:25:55 AM  
You've been gone almost an hour and you come back with THAT? We know you've been googling.
 
2011-09-17 12:26:33 AM  
this story would have been a lot funnier if it had been a farmer's market he'd nose-dived into...
 
2011-09-17 12:27:14 AM  
your right ive never played any flight simulators in my life. you caught me. how about address the arguments, which make perfect sense.
 
2011-09-17 12:29:41 AM  

HeartlessLibertarian: why does spell check make me right plain not plane...arg


Rotsky, is that you?
 
2011-09-17 12:35:38 AM  

Propain_az: frenchcheesemuseum: Wombatzu: I dunno... Maybe he's a journalist or something and that was his first instinct, but you would think the reaction would be to help instead of getting some cool pics. Or to help once you decide to not take pictures...

I bet he saw the gore and couldn't take it. I've seen gore that close - it's very very traumatic.

I've seen gore close up also. And trust, Al is a pig!


a man bear pig
anyone got the original live leak footage?
 
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