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(Stars and Stripes)   Defense Secretary Leon Panetta reminds Congress that, if it doesn't act, they'll add 1.0% to nation's unemployment rate from laid-off military, civilian personnel   (ap.stripes.com) divider line 93
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2011-09-16 09:05:18 AM
Holy shiat, The Report from Iron Mountain was right.
 
2011-09-16 09:24:52 AM
Which is exactly what Republicans want.
 
2011-09-16 10:37:01 AM
Wait, in republican Utopia cutting spending is supposed to CREATE jobs.
 
2011-09-16 10:38:04 AM

Lost Thought 00: Which is exactly what Republicans want.


I thought Republicans wanted a state of constant war employing hundreds of thousands. Kinda hard to be both.
 
2011-09-16 11:41:08 AM
Won't someone think of the defense contractors?
 
2011-09-16 11:56:39 AM

I_C_Weener: Lost Thought 00: Which is exactly what Republicans want.

I thought Republicans wanted a state of constant war employing hundreds of thousands. Kinda hard to be both.


Higher unemployment is exactly what the GOP wants, and trust me they want it much more than they want the wars at this point.

It's a no lose situation for them. Boehner could stab a hooker to death on the Capitol steps in full view of every news camera in the world, say it was Obama's fault, and five minutes later the right wing derposphere would light up with calls for revolution to depose Obama, murderer of innocent sex workers.
 
2011-09-16 12:13:30 PM
It will be party before country.
 
2011-09-16 12:14:59 PM
So what taxes will be increased to pay for this?
 
2011-09-16 12:15:08 PM

Sleeping Monkey: Wait, in republican Utopia cutting spending is supposed to CREATE jobs.


Government jobs aren't actually jobs. So actually this would be getting rid of thousands of negative jobs, thereby resulting in positive job growth. Also, an entire class of lazy government welfare parasites would be motivated to look for real work.

For more on this topic, please attend my next lecture, sponsored by the American Enterprise Institute.
 
2011-09-16 12:15:17 PM
a lot of it's got to be lgistical trail shiat.
 
2011-09-16 12:15:46 PM

vossiewulf: I_C_Weener: Lost Thought 00: Which is exactly what Republicans want.

I thought Republicans wanted a state of constant war employing hundreds of thousands. Kinda hard to be both.

Higher unemployment is exactly what the GOP wants, and trust me they want it much more than they want the wars at this point.

It's a no lose situation for them. Boehner could stab a hooker to death on the Capitol steps in full view of every news camera in the world, say it was Obama's fault, and five minutes later the right wing derposphere would light up with calls for revolution to depose Obama, murderer of innocent sex workers.



Liberals new campaign method: "We can't run on Obama's failures so we'll just call the right EVIL!" lol see how far that gets ya! XD
 
2011-09-16 12:15:51 PM
Well, clearly the solution is to grow the military.
 
2011-09-16 12:16:18 PM
I'm shocked, shocked to find that Republicans are trying to sabotage the economy.

/Not really
/Ashamed the Orange Man is from the county next to me
 
2011-09-16 12:16:19 PM
This is kind of the elephant in the room when it comes to defense spending. The R's and the D's both agree that spending cuts need to be made, but everyone's too scared to go after Defense because it's the only profitable manufacturing industry left in America, and the only one where an average worker (soldier or civilian) can get a decent salary and benefits.

So yeah, the Defense budget is shockingly too high and needs to be cut - but the secret back-story to that is that those kinds of jobs will never come back. In the end it's good though because they were 100% funded by taxpayer dollars and produced no real benefits to the taxpayers. It has to happen, but it'll hurt.
 
2011-09-16 12:16:45 PM
Well they can always throw a bake sale
 
2011-09-16 12:17:54 PM
The best possible outcome will include some tough but fair actions. I.e. Repeal Obamacare, restructure social security and cut capital gains taxes to spur job creation. The resulting net new revenues should allow us to escape further military cuts, which are extremely dangerous.
 
2011-09-16 12:18:02 PM

vossiewulf: I_C_Weener: Lost Thought 00: Which is exactly what Republicans want.

I thought Republicans wanted a state of constant war employing hundreds of thousands. Kinda hard to be both.

Higher unemployment is exactly what the GOP wants, and trust me they want it much more than they want the wars at this point.

It's a no lose situation for them. Boehner could stab a hooker to death on the Capitol steps in full view of every news camera in the world, say it was Obama's fault, and five minutes later the right wing derposphere would light up with calls for revolution to depose Obama, murderer of innocent sex workers.


Wow...

Just wow...

/this is what they actually believe?
 
2011-09-16 12:18:05 PM
One way to avoid this is to cut spending in emergency medical care in the front lines. This would increase US military combat fatalities and would cut spending, reduce the unemployment rate and avoid cancelling R&D programs.
 
2011-09-16 12:18:36 PM
Okay, let's pay them, but pay them to do something constructive instead of shooting at brown people around the world. (If you are really afraid of people in, say, Afghanistan, coming to get you in the middle of the night, you need to see a head doctor.) So pay them military grade pay and have them repair the effing roads or something. Instead of what the US does now -- blow up the effing roads over there, then rebuild them there.
 
2011-09-16 12:18:51 PM
For that money, they can just cut the useless piece of crap that is de JSF program and be done with it. No (real) (defense) jobs lost.
 
2011-09-16 12:19:56 PM

cefm: This is kind of the elephant in the room when it comes to defense spending. The R's and the D's both agree that spending cuts need to be made, but everyone's too scared to go after Defense because it's the only profitable manufacturing industry left in America, and the only one where an average worker (soldier or civilian) can get a decent salary and benefits.

So yeah, the Defense budget is shockingly too high and needs to be cut - but the secret back-story to that is that those kinds of jobs will never come back. In the end it's good though because they were 100% funded by taxpayer dollars and produced no real benefits to the taxpayers. It has to happen, but it'll hurt.


Yup. But I have to question the timing of it. I totally agree our military is way too big and bloated. Our defense industry is also way too huge and powerful. But laying a vast amount of people off in the midst of an unemployment crisis? The medicine is right, but it might not be the right time for it.
 
2011-09-16 12:20:23 PM

relcec: a lot of it's got to be lgistical trail shiat.


Yeah, supply chains 13000 miles long keeping the 'point of the spear' fed, watered and armed (and paid) aren't that big a deal.
 
2011-09-16 12:21:31 PM
I_C_Weener [TotalFark] 2011-09-16 10:38:04 AM
Lost Thought 00: Which is exactly what Republicans want.

I thought Republicans wanted a state of constant war employing hundreds of thousands. Kinda hard to be both.

Well thank heavens zero stepped in and ended both wars (and didn't add a third).
 
2011-09-16 12:23:51 PM
And let's not forget that the US uses it's military to artificially absorb a considerable chunk of it's unemployment rate. US politicians may biatch and moan about communism and socialism but the US military is used for just that: as a government program intended to reduce unemployment and provide benefits to the underprivileged.
 
2011-09-16 12:24:14 PM
Just to be clear not all DoD employees wear a uniform and defense contractors are NOT federal employees. I'm not entirely sure that distinction is apparent to some people. DoD civilians, military members and federal employees pay taxes too, and spend their paychecks (contribute to the economy) just like regular working folks who do not work for the government. That hardly makes them "parasites".
 
2011-09-16 12:24:37 PM

Mr. Breeze: Wow...

Just wow...

/this is what they actually believe?



Are you familiar with Rush Limbaugh and Michael Wiener?
 
2011-09-16 12:27:38 PM

TIKIMAN87: vossiewulf: I_C_Weener: Lost Thought 00: Which is exactly what Republicans want.

I thought Republicans wanted a state of constant war employing hundreds of thousands. Kinda hard to be both.

Higher unemployment is exactly what the GOP wants, and trust me they want it much more than they want the wars at this point.

It's a no lose situation for them. Boehner could stab a hooker to death on the Capitol steps in full view of every news camera in the world, say it was Obama's fault, and five minutes later the right wing derposphere would light up with calls for revolution to depose Obama, murderer of innocent sex workers.


Liberals new campaign method: "We can't run on Obama's failures so we'll just call the right EVIL!" lol see how far that gets ya! XD


I'm pretty conservative, but when I think GOP lately, I think cowardice, dishonesty, selfishness, and ignorance.

That puts them within spitting distance of evil, at least.
 
2011-09-16 12:27:41 PM

TeaHadist: The best possible outcome will include some tough but fair actions. I.e. Repeal Obamacare, restructure social security and cut capital gains taxes to spur job creation. The resulting net new revenues should allow us to escape further military cuts, which are extremely dangerous.


Yeah, cause you know the first thing a rich person thinks when they get a tax cut is "I need to go hire more people now!" How about this - you spew the right wing point of view, verbatim. I'll spew the left wing, again verbatim, and we'll cancel each other out. Then, nothing'll get done, and our kids can just straighten this all out later. I'm sure they'll be better at working together towards a solution that's acceptable to both sides. amirite?
 
2011-09-16 12:28:46 PM
Ship all troops back to the USA. Close all bases outside of the USA. Lay off/boot no service members.

How much money did we just save?
 
2011-09-16 12:29:40 PM

freetomato: Just to be clear not all DoD employees wear a uniform and defense contractors are NOT federal employees. I'm not entirely sure that distinction is apparent to some people. DoD civilians, military members and federal employees pay taxes too, and spend their paychecks (contribute to the economy) just like regular working folks who do not work for the government. That hardly makes them "parasites".


So do teachers and other government employees. If we cut education we better cut defense too. Let the private market provide for them, right?
 
2011-09-16 12:32:09 PM

muddythinker: Okay, let's pay them, but pay them to do something constructive instead of shooting at brown people around the world. (If you are really afraid of people in, say, Afghanistan, coming to get you in the middle of the night, you need to see a head doctor.) So pay them military grade pay and have them repair the effing roads or something. Instead of what the US does now -- blow up the effing roads over there, then rebuild them there.


This.

Why stop there? Send them into failing schools, where they can provide any number of support services up to and including classroom teaching. If nothing else, a strong serious role model that no student would screw with could have ridiculous intangible benefits... Send them into local government offices collapsing under plummeting tax-bases to offer support. Not recruiting, not fighting, but serving; two or three soldiers could have immense impact in any random building here at home.

I have no illusions that the skill-sets are even remotely similar, and intend no insult to any highly trained uniformed folks or to any public servants, but the need is there and this seems like a positive way to utilize time between deployments.
 
2011-09-16 12:41:02 PM

mojodragon: TeaHadist: The best possible outcome will include some tough but fair actions. I.e. Repeal Obamacare, restructure social security and cut capital gains taxes to spur job creation. The resulting net new revenues should allow us to escape further military cuts, which are extremely dangerous.

Yeah, cause you know the first thing a rich person thinks when they get a tax cut is "I need to go hire more people now!" How about this - you spew the right wing point of view, verbatim. I'll spew the left wing, again verbatim, and we'll cancel each other out. Then, nothing'll get done, and our kids can just straighten this all out later. I'm sure they'll be better at working together towards a solution that's acceptable to both sides. amirite?


Because we're setting such good examples for them, of course.

We recently "celebrated" (?) the anniversary of 9/11. What happened to the spirit of 9/12, hmm?
 
2011-09-16 12:42:36 PM
Bring them home. Is there a reason we can't do that? Build a series of bases along the border. Establish immigration processing facilities, and enable us to keep criminal illegals out. Put outposts at places like the ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles. Remember the airports right after 9/11? I do. I had no problems with armed military roaming the airports.

Ask someone, anyone, why more than 6,000 Americans and many more Iraquis have died in the current war.

Nobody can tell you.

Bring them home.
 
2011-09-16 12:43:20 PM
1. The cuts take effect *over the next decade*
If our economy can't absorb that many workers over the next ten years, we're farked anyway.


2. Panetta's statement is basically pedagogical. "These budget cuts will do to the economy what budget cuts do to the economy!"
Cuts to spending (particularly during a recession) shrink/depress the economy. Good luck finding a meaningful amount of government spending to cut from categories that don't impact our economy this way.
 
2011-09-16 12:44:18 PM
Hey but just last year the left was saying all government spending is stimulus.....why the about face when it comes to stimulating the US economy?
 
2011-09-16 12:46:41 PM

dionysusaur: relcec: a lot of it's got to be lgistical trail shiat.

Yeah, supply chains 13000 miles long keeping the 'point of the spear' fed, watered and armed (and paid) aren't that big a deal.


To be fair, I heard some of it was also Oregon Trail related.
 
2011-09-16 12:46:42 PM

ddam: So do teachers and other government employees. If we cut education we better cut defense too. Let the private market provide for them, right?


The Joint Chiefs of Staff agree with you that education is a higher priority.

vonClogg: I have no illusions that the skill-sets are even remotely similar, and intend no insult to any highly trained uniformed folks or to any public servants, but the need is there and this seems like a positive way to utilize time between deployments.


Great idea, but the jobs need to be there.
 
2011-09-16 12:49:00 PM
he means weapons manufacturers. but don't worry, the trade show they had a couple days ago had PLENTY of customers from all the countries of the world.
 
2011-09-16 12:49:13 PM

AcneVulgaris: TIKIMAN87: vossiewulf: I_C_Weener: Lost Thought 00: Which is exactly what Republicans want.

I thought Republicans wanted a state of constant war employing hundreds of thousands. Kinda hard to be both.

Higher unemployment is exactly what the GOP wants, and trust me they want it much more than they want the wars at this point.

It's a no lose situation for them. Boehner could stab a hooker to death on the Capitol steps in full view of every news camera in the world, say it was Obama's fault, and five minutes later the right wing derposphere would light up with calls for revolution to depose Obama, murderer of innocent sex workers.


Liberals new campaign method: "We can't run on Obama's failures so we'll just call the right EVIL!" lol see how far that gets ya! XD

I'm pretty conservative, but when I think GOP lately, I think cowardice, dishonesty, selfishness, and ignorance.

That puts them within spitting distance of evil, at least.


As a Libertarian I agree. I go further though and consider their actions over the past year to be treasonous. I think they need to be rounded up for their fascist crap.
 
2011-09-16 12:57:53 PM

deadcrickets: I think they need to be rounded up for their fascist crap.


This sentence made me lol.
Then I realized that the GOP really is a fascist and terrorist organization that has subverted our democracy many many times to make the rich richer.

I might protest sending GOP voters to Japanese style interment camps, but if it's just their elected officials who have purposely committed treason and terrorism (debt ceiling hostage situation, restricting voter and worker rights, inciting use of force "second amendment solutions") then all I could do was have a nice cold drink to justice.
 
2011-09-16 01:06:20 PM

GreatBunzinni: And let's not forget that the US uses it's military to artificially absorb a considerable chunk of it's unemployment rate. US politicians may biatch and moan about communism and socialism but the US military is used for just that: as a government program intended to reduce unemployment and provide benefits to the underprivileged.


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(Want to learn more?)
 
2011-09-16 01:07:21 PM
Remember when Democrats used to pretend we should cut the military budget?

/Good times
 
2011-09-16 01:08:10 PM

chaoswolf: Ship all troops back to the USA. Close all bases outside of the USA. Lay off/boot no service members.

How much money did we just save?


That would cost a shiat-ton.
 
2011-09-16 01:10:33 PM
Good, maybe they can get real jobs instead of living off the blood of dead brown people.
 
2011-09-16 01:12:25 PM

PanicMan: chaoswolf: Ship all troops back to the USA. Close all bases outside of the USA. Lay off/boot no service members.

How much money did we just save?

That would cost a shiat-ton.


Compared to what we're spending yearly now? The move would pay for itself completely within a single year. Especially if we go all garage sale to help out our many allies.
 
2011-09-16 01:18:50 PM

TeaHadist: The best possible outcome will include some tough but fair actions. I.e. Repeal Obamacare, restructure social security and cut capital gains taxes to spur job creation. The resulting net new revenues should allow us to escape further military cuts, which are extremely dangerous.


If not for the name I would have thought this was real. Very smooth.
10/10
 
2011-09-16 01:28:28 PM
The government doesn't create jobs. Except when they create jobs.
 
2011-09-16 01:34:26 PM
Awesome? Ex-military have skills. Many are mechanics, engineers, systems analysis, and doctors. You start work in the private sector, the federal budget goes down, and the rest of us have more access to skilled labor.
 
2011-09-16 01:36:43 PM
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JTW
2011-09-16 01:42:51 PM

vossiewulf: the right wing derposphere


I like that you realized you need to identify WHICH derposhphere you are talking about. Most people (probably members of their respective derposphere) assume it only exists (or is at least much bigger) on the OTHER side.
 
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