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2011-09-16 12:06:08 AM  
They're blowing the OMG THEENKEENG OUTSIDE OF TEH BOX coach in TFA... but wait until someone with half a brain watches a little game tape and deflates that ultra-high-risk kickoff strategy with 4 straight recoveries inside the fifty and converts them to a batch of easy points.

/if there's one thing football has taught us, it's that there have been only a few major & permanent strides taken in over 100 yrs
 
2011-09-16 12:12:12 AM  

gameshowhost: They're blowing the OMG THEENKEENG OUTSIDE OF TEH BOX coach in TFA... but wait until someone with half a brain watches a little game tape and deflates that ultra-high-risk kickoff strategy with 4 straight recoveries inside the fifty and converts them to a batch of easy points.

/if there's one thing football has taught us, it's that there have been only a few major & permanent strides taken in over 100 yrs


not to mention the 11 man rush defense that could be thwarted by just quickly throwing the ball as high as you can in the general direction of a wide open receiver.
 
2011-09-16 12:27:28 AM  
ok, so i guess you can run the score up to 14-0 like that maybe, but after that.... aren't you sort of being a poor sport?
 
2011-09-16 12:38:26 AM  

serial_crusher: ok, so i guess you can run the score up to 14-0 like that maybe, but after that.... aren't you sort of being a poor sport?


America is the country where the free market prevails and only the ruthless survive. Unless it's amateur football, because you're a dick for teaching my son's youth football squad a valuable life lesson and he was just trying his hardest and he deserves an A for effort, or something.
 
2011-09-16 12:40:21 AM  

Mike_LowELL: serial_crusher: ok, so i guess you can run the score up to 14-0 like that maybe, but after that.... aren't you sort of being a poor sport?

America is the country where the free market prevails and only the ruthless survive. Unless it's amateur football, because you're a dick for teaching my son's youth football squad a valuable life lesson and he was just trying his hardest and he deserves an A for effort, or something.


but the best lesson is using your advantage to grind your competition into the ground. they didn't get conservative after gaining the lead and as a result, the other team hung up 34 points on them. once you've pulled yourself up from your bootstrap, stop pulling and use it to choke the life out of those below you.
 
2011-09-16 12:48:59 AM  

thomps: but the best lesson is using your advantage to grind your competition into the ground. they didn't get conservative after gaining the lead and as a result, the other team hung up 34 points on them. once you've pulled yourself up from your bootstrap, stop pulling and use it to choke the life out of those below you.


Football is only a quandary because running up the score means a discrepancy in talent that can lead to someone getting hurt pretty badly (i.e. "we got our ass kicked" can really mean just that). Elsewise, I don't expect another team to stop running up the score. I'd would personally use a blowout to work on things we're not doing right, but the rule set doesn't say anything about someone's feelings, so I'm not expected to abide by them. And setting up the rule set so it does would do the participants a total disservice in life. Good to learn at a young age that people like to run up the score.
 
2011-09-16 01:36:45 AM  
Apparently they don't teach sportsmanship any more.
 
2011-09-16 04:02:10 AM  

serial_crusher: ok, so i guess you can run the score up to 14-0 like that maybe, but after that.... aren't you sort of being a poor sport?


My coach always told me, if your current tactic is working, don't change until your opponent demonstrates that he can defeat it.
 
2011-09-16 05:04:56 AM  

serial_crusher: ok, so i guess you can run the score up to 14-0 like that maybe, but after that.... aren't you sort of being a poor sport?


No you aren't. If you line up after the game to shake their hands that's good enough. If you don't want to get beaten so bad you should play better.
 
2011-09-16 05:28:00 AM  

ShawnDoc: Apparently they don't teach sportsmanship any more.


29-0 is running up the score?

/lost my first HS football game 72-0.
//Still hurts deep when I think about it, it destroyed my self est.... wait, no it didnt, I turned out just fine. Them "running up the score" was part of football. Believe me, we werent upset with THEM that night. No one wants to have the opponent feel sorry for you and put in the drum major to play tailback.
 
2011-09-16 05:31:35 AM  

serial_crusher: ok, so i guess you can run the score up to 14-0 like that maybe, but after that.... aren't you sort of being a poor sport?


ShawnDoc: Apparently they don't teach sportsmanship any more.


In my senior year, our football team got bumped up to a higher division because the school population increased ever so slightly. Of course, those few extra students didn't join the team. We went from being fairly dominant in a division where the teams were small enough that most players started on both offense and defense to a division where every team except us had a full A and B squad for offense and defense.

We went 0-9 that year. Some games we lost by only a score or two, some games we got completely blown out. And although we might have complained about being forced into a new division, we never once blamed the other teams for being too mean to us or not letting us score enough points. Sportsmanship and fairness means expecting everyone to play to the best of their ability and let the best team win, not dumbing it down or restricting yourself. My old high school is still in that same division, and although the team hasn't gotten any larger, they've gone to the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years because they learned how to adapt and improve to their situation.
 
2011-09-16 06:05:20 AM  
I think to be fair, the team they were playing, they had no chance to win against them, the school that did all the onside kicks only has like 356 students.

So to go up 29-0 early on was a statement...however unorthodox it was.

Watched the video on it up on youtube, seemed like they gave the crowd a good game in the first half.

And I don't think they have anything to be ashamed of.
 
2011-09-16 06:13:08 AM  

ShawnDoc: Apparently they don't teach sportsmanship any more.


However, they do give everyone a participation ribbon and a pat on the head, so they feel good about themselves.
 
2011-09-16 06:38:56 AM  
Mattyb710- "No you aren't. If you line up after the game to shake their hands that's good enough. If you don't want to get beaten so bad you should play better."

exactly. if your special teams are that bad that they get beaten for 3 onside kicks then well they need to work on the onside kick at practice. if your special teams is good enough the onside shouldn't work for 3 in a row. they should at least be able to get one. if your getting beat for that many onside that just either means your special team sucks or just aren't going after the ball faster then the other team.
 
2011-09-16 07:11:24 AM  
How does the old saying go? Fool me three times, shame on you, fool me four times, you better not fool me again?
 
2011-09-16 07:59:13 AM  

Mike_LowELL: serial_crusher: ok, so i guess you can run the score up to 14-0 like that maybe, but after that.... aren't you sort of being a poor sport?

America is the country where the free market prevails and only the ruthless survive. Unless it's amateur football, because you're a dick for teaching my son's youth football squad a valuable life lesson and he was just trying his hardest and he deserves an A for effort, or something.


How many kids on that team will grow up to be ruthless businessmen? One, two? The rest will be digging ditches, delivering packages and welding steel. So this "lesson" fell on a lot of deaf ears.

Honestly, I don't have an issue with scoring when you can score. But the coach still comes across as kind of a dick.
 
2011-09-16 08:00:02 AM  

Arkanaut: How does the old saying go? Fool me three times, shame on you, fool me four times, you better not fool me again?


2.bp.blogspot.com

::jon stewart impression:: heh heh heh heh heh
 
2011-09-16 08:02:09 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: ShawnDoc: Apparently they don't teach sportsmanship any more.

However, they do give everyone a participation ribbon and a pat on the head, so they feel good about themselves.


Listen, as a Pats fan, I had to listen to a ration of shiat for the Pats running up the score. That's NFL and this is High School.

Their whole strategy seemed to be put conventional pressure on high school kids. Yes it legal, but its a cheap way to play.

I would have started a brawl if I was on the field.
 
2011-09-16 08:04:35 AM  
I always enjoy "running up the score" threads in this tab, where people talk about high school football or youth football programs like they're professional programs.

Also, I love the sprinkling of "Well when I was in school we got beat 0-59 and look at me now I'm just fine."
 
2011-09-16 08:15:42 AM  
I remember reading a story where a basketball team was down 7-0 before it touched the ball, which is harder in basketball because you touch the ball to throw it in after the basket.

The coach had decided last minute to change the uniform numbers. So when they came out with different numbers than were in the book, they were each accessed a technical foul. The other team made five free throws, got the ball, and scored the basket.
 
2011-09-16 08:17:19 AM  
After twice, the opposing coach should have put a couple of his best linebackers on the kickoff team. Maybe they could have ensured the kicker wouldn't think of doing such nonsense again. Nothing against the rules, mind you. But getting your bell rung is not against the rules.

Take care of it on the field.
 
2011-09-16 08:24:46 AM  
Also: Dammit Orton, why can't you recover an onside kick!?
 
2011-09-16 08:34:05 AM  
I was at a major college game once where the score was 16-0 before the second team ran a play. That was more due to ineptitude than any trickery. Team A scored a TD. Team B took the kickoff out of the endzone, then changed their mind, backed up and took a knee for a safety. Team A scored again.
 
2011-09-16 08:34:35 AM  

serial_crusher: ok, so i guess you can run the score up to 14-0 like that maybe, but after that.... aren't you sort of being a poor sport?


ShawnDoc: Apparently they don't teach sportsmanship any more.


Early in the game, you should do whatever you can to secure the win (short of deliberately hurting the other players). It's not that inconceivable that a team might come back from being down by 2 touchdowns. The final score* was 63-34, a margin of 29 points, so for the rest of the game, the teams were evenly matched.

* TFA didn't say what the final score was but did provide a link to an ESPN article that mentioned it: Link (new window)

"Fredi Knighten, Sr., Pulaski Academy (Little Rock, Ark.)
24-of-28 for 456 yards and six touchdowns with 100 yards and two scores rushing in a 63-34 win over Cabot (Cabot, Ark.) "
 
2011-09-16 08:40:23 AM  

ChrisDe: After twice, the opposing coach should have put a couple of his best linebackers on the kickoff team. Maybe they could have ensured the kicker wouldn't think of doing such nonsense again. Nothing against the rules, mind you. But getting your bell rung is not against the rules.

Take care of it on the field.


I'm pretty sure roughing the kicker is aginst the rules.
 
2011-09-16 08:41:17 AM  
I wouldn't criticize the team for winning big or laying it on, or their strategy (only because it worked), but why do sports = life and/or life lessons in this thread for a lot of people?
It is a game.
 
2011-09-16 08:41:28 AM  

Publikwerks: FirstNationalBastard: ShawnDoc: Apparently they don't teach sportsmanship any more.

However, they do give everyone a participation ribbon and a pat on the head, so they feel good about themselves.

Listen, as a Pats fan, I had to listen to a ration of shiat for the Pats running up the score. That's NFL and this is High School.

Their whole strategy seemed to be put conventional pressure on high school kids. Yes it legal, but its a cheap way to play.

I would have started a brawl if I was on the field.


Honestly, I don't get this "running up the score" shiat. I mean, the point of the game is to score as many times as possible.

In a high school game, I could see dropping some of the starters to let the bench warmers get their time on the field if it's a blowout, but no way should a team go easy just because it's a massively lopsided game.

As far as the pros go, no way should a team ever stop playing as hard as possible. I mean, would the "Oh, fair play running up the score is bad ZOMG" people have had Washington lay down in Super Bowl 22 after the 3rd or 4th touchdown in the second quarter, because they were making the Broncos look bad? Would they have forbidden the Redskins to score that TD in the 4th quarter because it's unfair to the poor Broncos?

That's bullshiat.
 
2011-09-16 08:43:26 AM  
Good on ya Pulaski. Hopefully they were cross-town rivals and you can hold this over their head for a year.
 
2011-09-16 08:45:09 AM  
The school that lost has 2100 students and won the State Championship just 11 years ago with their current coach. Twice runner uo too.

The School that won is a prep school with 350 students. That means that just to have 22 players and no depth on their team, 1 out of 8 boys enrolled is on the varsity football team. The quarterback on the winning team is 5 foot 10 and 165 pounds. And he looks like one of the biggest guys on the team.

If the little school didnt play unconventionally they would have had a difficult time winning. Their coach ALWAYS onside kicks and NEVER punts on 4th down. This wasn't news to the big school's coach. Hell the little school may not even have a kid who can kick it much farther than an extra point.

This was NOT a case of Big Bully Goliath running up the score on poor Lil David. This was a case of Goliath not changing tactics against David until he had been beaned with rocks four times from a sling.
 
2011-09-16 08:48:46 AM  

gameshowhost: They're blowing the OMG THEENKEENG OUTSIDE OF TEH BOX coach in TFA... but wait until someone with half a brain watches a little game tape and deflates that ultra-high-risk kickoff strategy with 4 straight recoveries inside the fifty and converts them to a batch of easy points.

/if there's one thing football has taught us, it's that there have been only a few major & permanent strides taken in over 100 yrs


To beat the tactic the other team is going to have to completely change what they practice, and not just for a week. So, yes, you could adapt to beat this team, but you'd end up losing several other games because you weren't prepared for a normal team.

And people seem to forget this is a coach who has been coming up with insane gameplans and plays for years. He's pretty sharp. He also is always going to be a high school or maybe small college coach because trick and gimmicks have a lot less value when you are playing a truly talented team.
 
2011-09-16 08:48:59 AM  
If anyone reads TMQ, he's been touting the things this coach is doing for years. In fact, he discovered this guy was doing this stuff 3 or 4 years ago. It's kind of funny now that people are paying attention to it. A couple seasons ago he took the proposals to some statistical experts to run simulations and in every case, doing the things this coach does increases the probability of winning.

If you are on the opponent's 40, why punt or try a long field goal you will probably miss. Most likely a punt ends up a touch back so you make the opponent start 20 yards further back. Why not just go for it as long as it's not 4th and 20 or something crazy like that. I'm not sure about the onside kick EVERY time, but most of the stuff this guy is doing seems like it makes better sense then what coaches normally do.
 
2011-09-16 08:56:41 AM  
The tactics described in the article rely on the lack of skill and discipline in high school players.

Even then, how do you lose that many onsides? Put skilled positions only on the field (i.e., people who can catch, which apparently no one in red could). The kicking team appear to average about 50lbs smaller than the receiving, so it's not like you need linemen in case you need to return one.

americangame: I'm pretty sure roughing the kicker is aginst the rules.


I think it would be a personal foul, not roughing the kicker. There's no way they get to the kicker before he finishes his kicking motion.
 
2011-09-16 08:58:28 AM  

americangame: ChrisDe: After twice, the opposing coach should have put a couple of his best linebackers on the kickoff team. Maybe they could have ensured the kicker wouldn't think of doing such nonsense again. Nothing against the rules, mind you. But getting your bell rung is not against the rules.

Take care of it on the field.

I'm pretty sure roughing the kicker is aginst the rules.


Only if he's attempting a field goal and in a defenseless position. But on a kickoff (or after a blocked kick) he's a potential tackler just like any of his teammates, usually the last line of defense. "Sportsmanship" may dictate that you don't flatten the kicker unless he's about to make a tackle, but that didn't seem to be an issue in this game.
 
2011-09-16 09:08:37 AM  
and i thought college football was stupid
 
2011-09-16 09:13:14 AM  

mikaloyd: The school that lost has 2100 students and won the State Championship just 11 years ago with their current coach. Twice runner uo too.

The School that won is a prep school with 350 students. That means that just to have 22 players and no depth on their team, 1 out of 8 boys enrolled is on the varsity football team. The quarterback on the winning team is 5 foot 10 and 165 pounds. And he looks like one of the biggest guys on the team.

If the little school didnt play unconventionally they would have had a difficult time winning. Their coach ALWAYS onside kicks and NEVER punts on 4th down. This wasn't news to the big school's coach. Hell the little school may not even have a kid who can kick it much farther than an extra point.

This was NOT a case of Big Bully Goliath running up the score on poor Lil David. This was a case of Goliath not changing tactics against David until he had been beaned with rocks four times from a sling.


Ok, that does change it a bit. Still pretty weak though. It like hiding the ball in your glove play in baseball.
 
2011-09-16 09:14:26 AM  

ChrisDe: americangame: ChrisDe: After twice, the opposing coach should have put a couple of his best linebackers on the kickoff team. Maybe they could have ensured the kicker wouldn't think of doing such nonsense again. Nothing against the rules, mind you. But getting your bell rung is not against the rules.

Take care of it on the field.

I'm pretty sure roughing the kicker is aginst the rules.

Only if he's attempting a field goal and in a defenseless position. But on a kickoff (or after a blocked kick) he's a potential tackler just like any of his teammates, usually the last line of defense. "Sportsmanship" may dictate that you don't flatten the kicker unless he's about to make a tackle, but that didn't seem to be an issue in this game.


The only problem is that your linebackers are never gonna get to the kicker before the whistle.
 
2011-09-16 09:57:05 AM  

Publikwerks: mikaloyd: The school that lost has 2100 students and won the State Championship just 11 years ago with their current coach. Twice runner uo too.

The School that won is a prep school with 350 students. That means that just to have 22 players and no depth on their team, 1 out of 8 boys enrolled is on the varsity football team. The quarterback on the winning team is 5 foot 10 and 165 pounds. And he looks like one of the biggest guys on the team.

If the little school didnt play unconventionally they would have had a difficult time winning. Their coach ALWAYS onside kicks and NEVER punts on 4th down. This wasn't news to the big school's coach. Hell the little school may not even have a kid who can kick it much farther than an extra point.

This was NOT a case of Big Bully Goliath running up the score on poor Lil David. This was a case of Goliath not changing tactics against David until he had been beaned with rocks four times from a sling.

Ok, that does change it a bit. Still pretty weak though. It like hiding the ball in your glove play in baseball.


How so? It doesn't sound like the coach is tricking anyone, since he's been using these tactics pretty consistently for dozens of games. A more apt baseball analogy might be a team that steals EVERY time one of their top-5 (of the 9) fastest runners is on base (including double steals). Sure, it might only work half the time, but that's about the rate for onside kicks (assuming the receiving team doesn't wear boxing gloves).

Or perhaps a hockey analogy is in order (for you and me, anyway): pull the goalie for an extra attacker every time you get some sustained zone pressure/cycle going. Now, the GF/GA ratio is probably more like 1/3-1/4, so it's probably not worth it, but that's the kind of risk/reward strategy being employed here, I feel.
 
2011-09-16 10:23:00 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: ShawnDoc: Apparently they don't teach sportsmanship any more.

However, they do give everyone a participation ribbon and a pat on the head, so they feel good about themselves.


Do you play video games? If so what do you like getting achievements? I ask because that is all achievements or trophies in video games are, participation ribbons. Hell at least the kids actually put the time in to complete the season.

So, quit banging on participation ribbons you prick, any kid that participates deserves something. Anyone who thinks participation ribbons, trophies, etc... are shiat never played sports as a kid.
 
2011-09-16 10:24:06 AM  
How do you flatten the kicker when they dont even have a kicker? If you watch the video at least one and often two guys fake the onside kick in the wrong direction before somebody else finally kicks it. There were like 9 onsides kicks in the game. Any of the players can probably kick it ten yards.
 
2011-09-16 10:33:17 AM  

serial_crusher: ok, so i guess you can run the score up to 14-0 like that maybe, but after that.... aren't you sort of being a poor sport?


No. It's the responsibility of the offense to score points. It's the responsibility of the coach to win games. If your opponent's defense can't stop you, why should you slack off?

ShawnDoc: Apparently they don't teach sportsmanship any more.


Actually, that seems to be the paragon of sportsmanship. Always treat your opponent like a threat and always perform at your best to try and win.
 
2011-09-16 10:56:11 AM  

mikaloyd: The school that lost has 2100 students and won the State Championship just 11 years ago with their current coach. Twice runner uo too.

The School that won is a prep school with 350 students. That means that just to have 22 players and no depth on their team, 1 out of 8 boys enrolled is on the varsity football team. The quarterback on the winning team is 5 foot 10 and 165 pounds. And he looks like one of the biggest guys on the team.

If the little school didnt play unconventionally they would have had a difficult time winning. Their coach ALWAYS onside kicks and NEVER punts on 4th down. This wasn't news to the big school's coach. Hell the little school may not even have a kid who can kick it much farther than an extra point.

This was NOT a case of Big Bully Goliath running up the score on poor Lil David. This was a case of Goliath not changing tactics against David until he had been beaned with rocks four times from a sling.


This right here^^^^^

/I wish RichRod would have read his book.
 
2011-09-16 10:59:57 AM  
I had the displeasure a few weeks ago of driving six hours to do radio play-by-play for a local semipro team to see them lose a game 32-16, despite the fact the defense didn't allow a point. We allowed three defensive touchdowns, a kickoff return for a score and surrendered two safeties. Embarassing.

So yeah, I believe this.
 
2011-09-16 11:11:07 AM  
Whatever. Haters gonna hate. If you run up the score, you're a jerk for making the other team look so bad. If you back off and put in your second-stringers, you're a jerk for insulting the other team by not putting up your best.

Playing dirty (deliberately trying to injure other players, etc.) is one thing. This is simply a good and/or clever team trying something out which easily could have gone either way. If more of those onside kicks had been recovered by the other team, everyone would be in here saying "ha ha, you idiots, why would you take such a stupid risk four times in a row".
 
2011-09-16 11:25:42 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: So, quit banging on participation ribbons you prick, any kid that participates deserves something. Anyone who thinks participation ribbons, trophies, etc... are shiat never played sports as a kid.


I played soccer, basketball, and baseball as a kid and I think participation RIBBONS are okay, yet stupid. Participation trophies are a whole different level of stupid. If the kid who runs away from the ball gets the same trinket as the kid who led the league in goals it means nothing to either kid. The kid who did nothing knows it means nothing and the kid who did everything is insulted because he isn't being recognized for the talent he had.
 
2011-09-16 11:46:00 AM  
I am a line and special teams coach in a PeeWee league so am getting a kick...

I have scouted the other teams in our division and know exactly how each team likes to kick off. One team uses a 10 yd dribble with an 11 man scrum coming at you. Another does 12 yd pooch kicks. I have different line-ups and formations for each of those opponents.

We play hard to the very end. Our league has "Zero Quarter" for the non-starters and lesser skilled kids play each other to get them more reps and its safer for them. Then as they progress, they get more official game time.
 
2011-09-16 11:48:13 AM  

mikaloyd: The school that lost has 2100 students and won the State Championship just 11 years ago with their current coach. Twice runner uo too.

The School that won is a prep school with 350 students. That means that just to have 22 players and no depth on their team, 1 out of 8 boys enrolled is on the varsity football team. The quarterback on the winning team is 5 foot 10 and 165 pounds. And he looks like one of the biggest guys on the team.

If the little school didnt play unconventionally they would have had a difficult time winning. Their coach ALWAYS onside kicks and NEVER punts on 4th down. This wasn't news to the big school's coach. Hell the little school may not even have a kid who can kick it much farther than an extra point.

This was NOT a case of Big Bully Goliath running up the score on poor Lil David. This was a case of Goliath not changing tactics against David until he had been beaned with rocks four times from a sling.


And that tactic works in basketball, too. (new window)
 
2011-09-16 12:01:23 PM  
If you're pulling four onside kicks in a row, at the start of the game, before the other team's even been given the ball, honestly, Pulaski is full of assholes. Cabot's going to be lucky if someone on their squad doesn't just decide to quit and never touch a football again.

For fark's sake, these are kids in high school.
 
2011-09-16 12:03:36 PM  

Loomy: Publikwerks: mikaloyd: The school that lost has 2100 students and won the State Championship just 11 years ago with their current coach. Twice runner uo too.

The School that won is a prep school with 350 students. That means that just to have 22 players and no depth on their team, 1 out of 8 boys enrolled is on the varsity football team. The quarterback on the winning team is 5 foot 10 and 165 pounds. And he looks like one of the biggest guys on the team.

If the little school didnt play unconventionally they would have had a difficult time winning. Their coach ALWAYS onside kicks and NEVER punts on 4th down. This wasn't news to the big school's coach. Hell the little school may not even have a kid who can kick it much farther than an extra point.

This was NOT a case of Big Bully Goliath running up the score on poor Lil David. This was a case of Goliath not changing tactics against David until he had been beaned with rocks four times from a sling.

Ok, that does change it a bit. Still pretty weak though. It like hiding the ball in your glove play in baseball.

How so? It doesn't sound like the coach is tricking anyone, since he's been using these tactics pretty consistently for dozens of games. A more apt baseball analogy might be a team that steals EVERY time one of their top-5 (of the 9) fastest runners is on base (including double steals). Sure, it might only work half the time, but that's about the rate for onside kicks (assuming the receiving team doesn't wear boxing gloves).

Or perhaps a hockey analogy is in order (for you and me, anyway): pull the goalie for an extra attacker every time you get some sustained zone pressure/cycle going. Now, the GF/GA ratio is probably more like 1/3-1/4, so it's probably not worth it, but that's the kind of risk/reward strategy being employed here, I feel.


Actually a good hockey analogy is a team that pulls the goalie every single time they have a two man advantage. Their goal rate on that scenario seems to be automatic but coaches still don't want to do it at the NHL or Junior level. New innovations take a long time to get put into the mainstream until someone at the highest level goes for it first.
 
2011-09-16 12:08:09 PM  

Gosling: If you're pulling four onside kicks in a row, at the start of the game, before the other team's even been given the ball, honestly, Pulaski is full of assholes. Cabot's going to be lucky if someone on their squad doesn't just decide to quit and never touch a football again.

For fark's sake, these are kids in high school.


Check it again. The coach ALWAYS does on-side kicks. ALWAYS. Every school that plays them knows it and should be ready for it. It 's not about embarrassing anyone, it's a coaching philosophy. He NEVER punts either.
 
2011-09-16 12:10:52 PM  

carnifex2005: Actually a good hockey analogy is a team that pulls the goalie every single time they have a two man advantage. Their goal rate on that scenario seems to be automatic but coaches still don't want to do it at the NHL or Junior level. New innovations take a long time to get put into the mainstream until someone at the highest level goes for it first.


It seems like a decent idea, but remember that if a team has a penalty they can (if they can touch the puck) clear it out of the zone with no threat of icing. Just get it over the defense and toward the center of the ice and that could result in some goals even with the 3 extra attackers.
 
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