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Uncle Wiggly		2011-09-15 12:27:36 AM

I thought they were driving to Cancun?

uber humper		2011-09-15 12:33:35 AM

Mexico used to be such a nice place.

XplodedSynapses		2011-09-15 12:35:07 AM

Gus is gonna be pissed.

violentsalvation		2011-09-15 12:35:44 AM

So, they more or less control the media now and police chiefs, mayors and governors are short lived. How much longer until Mexico is officially considered a failed state? How much longer do we perpetuate this f*cked up, freedom infringing drug war at their expense? Vote for change assholes, or at least, moon a cop.

Confabulat		2011-09-15 12:36:38 AM

Badger and Skinny Pete better watch their mouths, eh

cman		2011-09-15 12:37:21 AM

For that little bit of Mexican weed you have, this is what the end result is. Sorry to ruin your high, bro

Weaver95		2011-09-15 12:39:53 AM

f*ck the drug cartels.

yah, you heard me - f*ck you guys. wanna come find me? you're welcome to come crawling around redneck white bread country where you're outgunned 6:1 and everyone will report you for being an illegal immigrant.

once more - f*ck you guys! f*ck you guys in the ear! what ya gonna do about it now big boys? huh? gonna come get me?

wimps.

Confabulat		2011-09-15 12:40:05 AM

cman: For that little bit of Mexican weed you have, this is what the end result is. Sorry to ruin your high, bro

Ha, real weedheads buy locally. Mexican weed is for teenage wanna-be hippies.

FirstNationalBastard		2011-09-15 12:40:33 AM

This About That		2011-09-15 12:45:21 AM

violentsalvation: moon a cop

I suggest mooning a politician. Cops don't make the rules.

violentsalvation		2011-09-15 12:48:27 AM

violentsalvation		2011-09-15 12:49:17 AM

This About That: violentsalvation: moon a cop

I suggest mooning a politician. Cops don't make the rules.

Moon them all.

GAT_00		2011-09-15 12:50:39 AM

Meatzilla		2011-09-15 12:59:27 AM

_{/I wonder if the mexican druglords at least pay you to report those scurrilous neighbors}

Deacon Blue		2011-09-15 01:01:48 AM

GAT_00: Weaver95: f*ck the drug cartels.

yah, you heard me - f*ck you guys. wanna come find me? you're welcome to come crawling around redneck white bread country where you're outgunned 6:1 and everyone will report you for being an illegal immigrant.

once more - f*ck you guys! f*ck you guys in the ear! what ya gonna do about it now big boys? huh? gonna come get me?

wimps.

I totally read that with you as Cartman.

Holy crap, that does read well in a Cartman voice.

/You get your biatch ass back in the orchard, and pick me some fruit!

Confabulat		2011-09-15 01:17:12 AM

It's amazing how much has changed in the past few decades of life. But Mexican frowny-brown is still out there, selling for $35 a quarter, just like it was in 1985. And still giving out that same headache. I have to admire that level of consistency. Even McDonald's could learn something from them.

violentsalvation		2011-09-15 01:21:07 AM

Confabulat: It's amazing how much has changed in the past few decades of life. But Mexican frowny-brown is still out there, selling for $35 a quarter, just like it was in 1985. And still giving out that same headache. I have to admire that level of consistency. Even McDonald's could learn something from them.

I know several people who grew up on that kind of weed and they dislike the newer more powerful craft strains. It really isn't surprising, the hippies aren't dead yet. But I really don't know much of anything on the topic, I have never smoked it.

calbert		2011-09-15 01:21:48 AM

"All you motherfarkers are gonna pay. You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We're gonna fark your mothers while you watch and cry like little whiny biatches. Once we get to Hollywood and find those Miramax farks whose making the movie, we're gonna make them eat our shiat, then shiat out our shiat, and then eat their shiat that's made up of our shiat that we made 'em eat. And then all you motherfarks are next. Love, Jay and Silent Bob."

XplodedSynapses		2011-09-15 01:25:26 AM

Confabulat		2011-09-15 01:28:35 AM

violentsalvation: I know several people who grew up on that kind of weed and they dislike the newer more powerful craft strains

Um, that's no different that the Milwaukee's Best fans whining about people who drink craft beer.

violentsalvation		2011-09-15 01:33:21 AM

Confabulat: violentsalvation: I know several people who grew up on that kind of weed and they dislike the newer more powerful craft strains

Um, that's no different that the Milwaukee's Best fans whining about people who drink craft beer.

Does that analogy really work? I hope not. Milwaukee's Best is from the devil. I think the ones I talked to complained mostly about how they got stupid paranoid. Paranoia ruined their buzz, man.

cretinbob		2011-09-15 01:34:04 AM

Confabulat		2011-09-15 01:34:13 AM

violentsalvation: But I really don't know much of anything on the topic, I have never smoked it.

And how can you even want to talk about a topic that you've never tried? I have strong opinions yay or nay on anal sex, LSD, mushrooms, thievery, and assorted other topics that I would think a well-adjusted adult in 2011 should be familiar with.

What went wrong with you?

Confabulat		2011-09-15 01:36:05 AM

violentsalvation: Does that analogy really work? I hope not. Milwaukee's Best is from the devil.

I'd rather drink Milwaukee's Best than smoke some frowny-brown. So yes, it works. Sort of like the Best drinkers whining they got all confused drunker than usual because they weren't sipping bung water.

log_jammin		2011-09-15 01:36:23 AM

weed snob thread.

violentsalvation		2011-09-15 01:46:39 AM

Confabulat: violentsalvation: But I really don't know much of anything on the topic, I have never smoked it.

And how can you even want to talk about a topic that you've never tried? I have strong opinions yay or nay on anal sex, LSD, mushrooms, thievery, and assorted other topics that I would think a well-adjusted adult in 2011 should be familiar with.

What went wrong with you?

I never tried weed, for a time I was very against drugs and saw them as a curse on our society. I got injured once and fell in love with opiates, I eventually became addicted to heroin without ever trying the so called "gateway drug". As I fought my addiction I learned that the problems with drugs are not really the drugs themselves, the problem is with the prohibition. We created the problem.

And that is one of the reasons I advocate legalization of all drugs, the other being, drug use is nobody's business, and certainly not the government's business.

Confabulat		2011-09-15 01:48:59 AM

log_jammin: weed snob thread.

No! Pretty sure this didn't happen cause of weed.

Confabulat		2011-09-15 01:50:24 AM

violentsalvation: I never tried weed, for a time I was very against drugs and saw them as a curse on our society. I got injured once and fell in love with opiates, I eventually became addicted to heroin without ever trying the so called "gateway drug". As I fought my addiction I learned that the problems with drugs are not really the drugs themselves, the problem is with the prohibition. We created the problem.

And that is one of the reasons I advocate legalization of all drugs, the other being, drug use is nobody's business, and certainly not the government's business.

Can't argue with a word on that.

Drugs were here before us. There's a reason flowers smell good to bees.

rocketpants		2011-09-15 01:56:53 AM

amateurs

Makh		2011-09-15 02:12:47 AM

I smell a photoshop contest coming up!

mantabulous		2011-09-15 03:01:41 AM

Estoy usando 7 proxies

doglover		2011-09-15 03:24:28 AM

violentsalvation: Our policies did this.

Um, first off: no. You're wrong. We didn't do this.

Assholes did this. Killing each other is farkin' Mexico's traditional past time and religion. It's been that way since before America had any white people. This kind of war is their farkin' culture. It has nothing to do with the US.

Even if our policies are making it possible for the cartels to grow in power, the same cartels in different places wouldn't act quite the same. There's plenty of gangs in America that are ruthless, like the Hell's Angels. They don't hang people from the farkin' bridges or litter the street with heads.

Confabulat		2011-09-15 03:40:10 AM

doglover: Assholes did this. Killing each other is farkin' Mexico's traditional past time and religion. It's been that way since before America had any white people. This kind of war is their farkin' culture. It has nothing to do with the US.

Why not just call Mexicans subhuman creatures from Hell and tell us what you really think about Hispanics.

SniperJoe		2011-09-15 06:44:32 AM

doglover:
Um, first off: no. You're wrong. We didn't do this.

Assholes did this. Killing each other is farkin' Mexico's traditional past time and religion. It's been that way since before America had any white people. This kind of war is their farkin' culture. It has nothing to do with the US.

Even if our policies are making it possible for the cartels to grow in power, the same cartels in different places wouldn't act quite the same. There's plenty of gangs in America that are ruthless, like the Hell's Angels. They don't hang people from the farkin' bridges or litter the street with heads.

You're pretty much spot on there. I read Murder City a few months ago and it was basically a non-fiction book about an author who spent time in Juarez to get an idea of why the murders were going on and how many there actually were. He interviewed everyone from media members, state and federal police to hitmen and eventually seemed to come to the conclusion that the murders were just the way of life down there. There was no why, because why didn't matter. The whole thing was spiraling out of control and it seemed like EVERYONE was corrupt.

GranoblasticMan		2011-09-15 06:46:23 AM

violentsalvation: This About That: violentsalvation: moon a cop

I suggest mooning a politician. Cops don't make the rules.

Moon them all.

Moon them all, let god sort them out.

Public Savant		2011-09-15 06:47:33 AM

angrygrizzly		2011-09-15 06:49:45 AM

LEGALIZE ALL DRUGS!

BAN ALL GUNS IN AMERICA! WE'RE KILLING MEXICO!

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION! OPEN THE BORDERS!

THIS IS ALL BUSH'S FAULT!

did I miss anything? This IS the way these usually go, amirite?

Captain_Ballbeard		2011-09-15 06:50:36 AM

I used to work in Nuevo Laredo, got to watch a firefight (from a distance) in an ordinary neighorhood between narcos, it included rocket launchers and mortars. It went on all morning. The Army finally showed up, and asked them to please leave, knew I wasn't in KS anymore right then. Everybody in that town knows the score, these two had to be exceptionally stupid to put their names to anything even vaguely anti-cartel. The Z boys do not play. Mind your business and you won't have a problem with them though.

As far as the cartels go, it's just as hard for me to root for the ruling families of Mexico.

BarbadoSlim		2011-09-15 06:50:42 AM

Mexico.

'nuff said

LewDux		2011-09-15 06:55:39 AM

Note to self - don't read articles about Mexican gang warnings

also
Warning: keep sharp things away from Mexicans

PoopSlice		2011-09-15 06:56:31 AM

Confabulat: violentsalvation: I know several people who grew up on that kind of weed and they dislike the newer more powerful craft strains

Um, that's no different that the Milwaukee's Best fans whining about people who drink craft beer.

Dude, there's a pretty significant difference. Craft beers and Milwaukee's Beast are, for most craft beers, of approximately the same potency. Older weed strains are most definitely not of the same potency as some of the newer stuff. The new stuff is likely to get someone used to the old stuff a LOT more high than they expected, and for some of us that's not a pleasant surprise.

God-is-a-Taco		2011-09-15 06:56:39 AM

more reeson 4 us 2 put evry mexican on a dam boat n send them back 2 mexico 4reel cuz b4 u kno it we will b havin violance up in america from mecxicans n there druglords!!!!!!nobody can deny this look wut happned 2 the casino down their last week when the drug catels shot every1 do u want this 2 happen in amrcia next????use ur heads ppl time 2 shut down th borders n send the drulgords back 2 meicox n brazil n colmubia 4rell!!! DATS SUM STR8 TALK 4REEL less

-noted CNN commentor 'Fenriz"

H31N0US		2011-09-15 06:58:35 AM

Show me one large, predominantly Catholic ex-Iberian Colony that isn't wallowing in poverty with a corrupt and incompetent government, and I'll invite you over to my house for tea with the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. I'll even send my winged unicorn to pick you up.

Ok maybe Chile. Or Cuba.

Private_Citizen		2011-09-15 07:00:40 AM

My company has a plant in Reynosa. The last time I was there was years ago, and I remember eating lunch in town, and we were only people in the restaurant. The waiters were watching TV, which was showing the news that the local police chief had been gunned down by the cartels.

Now, we've been banned from travel to the plant for years, and the local media no longer reports on cartel related news because the bad guys started killing reporters. It's a freaking war zone down there, and I don't think it's going to get better.

This story is bad because the locals have been using the internet to warn each other and spread the news (since the media has all been subjugated). If the locals get to scared to even use the net, then they will truly be "in the dark". Still, I think the worst part of the story is that no one has claimed the bodies. That says the loved ones are either too scared, or missing people are so common that they have no real hope of finding them. Either way, good luck to Mexico - they're going to need it.

LewDux		2011-09-15 07:01:17 AM

H31N0US: Show me one large, predominantly Catholic ex-Iberian Colony that isn't wallowing in poverty with a corrupt and incompetent government, and I'll invite you over to my house for tea with the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. I'll even send my winged unicorn to pick you up.

Ok maybe Chile. Or Cuba.

Lucky Cubans!

WildManBand		2011-09-15 07:03:12 AM

Mexican weed sucks. I don't think anyone buys that shiat. Maybe the lower income people do, but the real money is in the Coke, Meth, and Heroin. That is the bread and butter for these gangsters.

Skr		2011-09-15 07:03:14 AM

Is this what happens to people when they switch from Facebook over to Google+?

Marcus Aurelius		2011-09-15 07:03:56 AM

dbrunker		2011-09-15 07:04:54 AM

Gee, thanks subby.
img545.imageshack.us

/just kidding

Bobbi Wickham		2011-09-15 07:06:19 AM

So we the drug lords don't like funny things on the internet? Are we all doomed because we posted LOLcats? Quick everyone in the USA post LOLcats making fun of Mexican drug cartels, they won't be able to kill us ALL! At least I hope so.

exatron		2011-09-15 07:08:04 AM

Jamieboy		2011-09-15 07:08:56 AM

lilplatinum		2011-09-15 07:09:49 AM

Confabulat: It's amazing how much has changed in the past few decades of life. But Mexican frowny-brown is still out there, selling for $35 a quarter, just like it was in 1985. And still giving out that same headache. I have to admire that level of consistency. Even McDonald's could learn something from them.

$35 a quarter for mexican ditch weed? It was like 50 an O in Texas..

/was sometimes fun to roll big blunts of it

FourBlackBars		2011-09-15 07:10:38 AM

Hey stoney,

I know you know the weed you smoke is 100% blogger with her guts hanging out strung up from a bridge free but I am less convinced.

...but but but we could make rope out of hemp and that guy down the road has cancer.

Animatronik		2011-09-15 07:11:12 AM

People say its just Mexico, but when they get to the point of mutilating and torturing people for blogging, its a sign of desperation before the turning point.

lilplatinum		2011-09-15 07:15:36 AM

Animatronik: People say its just Mexico, but when they get to the point of mutilating and torturing people for blogging,

Actually mutilating and torturing bloggers seems like at last they have found a justified target for their violence.

Molavian		2011-09-15 07:21:49 AM

I say we liberate the hell out of them.

moothemagiccow		2011-09-15 07:21:53 AM

They black out the cuss word but they'll gladly show a photo of a mutilated murder victim? CNN, you are farked up

internut scholar		2011-09-15 07:22:24 AM

I am thinking about cancelling my plans to vacation in Mexico and go somewhere safer, like Baghdad.

The Voice of Doom		2011-09-15 07:22:36 AM

LewDux
also
Warning: keep sharp things away from Mexicans

www.clusterfake.net

sendtodave		2011-09-15 07:22:48 AM

moothemagiccow		2011-09-15 07:23:30 AM

This About That: violentsalvation: moon a cop

I suggest mooning a politician. Cops don't make the rules.

Let me let you in on a little secret, The patrolling officer on his beat is the one true dictatorship in America, we can lock a guy up on the humble, lock him up for real, or say fark it and drink ourselves to death under the expressway and our side partners will cover us, No one - I mean no one - tells us how to waste our shift!

groppet		2011-09-15 07:23:40 AM

See this is what happens when the big pot corporations sent all the damn pot growing jobs overseas freakin NAFTA!!!!

Buy American!!!

KatjaMouse		2011-09-15 07:24:20 AM

FourBlackBars: I know you know the weed you smoke is 100% blogger with her guts hanging out strung up from a bridge free but I am less convinced.

This is why you buy local. Much more ethical.

Sybarite		2011-09-15 07:24:38 AM

moothemagiccow		2011-09-15 07:27:37 AM

mantabulous: Estoy usando 7 proxies

you win el thread

booger42		2011-09-15 07:29:05 AM

lilplatinum: Animatronik: People say its just Mexico, but when they get to the point of mutilating and torturing people for blogging,

Actually mutilating and torturing bloggers seems like at last they have found a justified target for their violence.

I was thinking that. I hate most bloggers, but not THAT much

moothemagiccow		2011-09-15 07:29:52 AM

doglover: There's plenty of gangs in America that are ruthless, like the Hell's Angels. They don't hang people from the farkin' bridges or litter the street with heads.

Doesn't that make them not ruthless by definition? Ruthie, I think?

diaphoresis		2011-09-15 07:31:23 AM

Weaver95: f*ck the drug cartels.

yah, you heard me - f*ck you guys. wanna come find me? you're welcome to come crawling around redneck white bread country where you're outgunned 6:1 and everyone will report you for being an illegal immigrant.

once more - f*ck you guys! f*ck you guys in the ear! what ya gonna do about it now big boys? huh? gonna come get me?

wimps.

No worries Weaver... here at Fark, we mock news... when you are dismembered and put into a fryer at KFC just remember: we will mourn and mock your death with gusto.

/Your comment WAS funny tho
//Here in the US, we don't need cartels.. we have Congress.. a lot less bloodshed but we still get farked over

TenJed_77		2011-09-15 07:31:47 AM

Jamieboy: Weaver95: f*ck the drug cartels.

yah, you heard me - f*ck you guys. wanna come find me? you're welcome to come crawling around redneck white bread country where you're outgunned 6:1 and everyone will report you for being an illegal immigrant.

once more - f*ck you guys! f*ck you guys in the ear! what ya gonna do about it now big boys? huh? gonna come get me?

wimps.

Christ, Weaver, calm down! I really don't want to see, or hear about your head being attached to a giant tortoise crawling through downtown Harrisburg and exploding in front of the train station.
I don't know about that. Cause they might get him, but I'll put hard money on 15 to 1 body count. And seeing as how they would only send maybe 4 or 5 people the first time I think he'd come out ok.
/at least the first time they tried

JonnyBGoode		2011-09-15 07:33:48 AM

El Internet es negocio serio.

OtherLittleGuy		2011-09-15 07:33:59 AM

Will someone either strike oil in the damn country, or kill a pretty young blonde, so that we can "liberate" it?

Bruinstoo		2011-09-15 07:34:27 AM

Confabulat: Badger and Skinny Pete better watch their mouths, eh

Badgers? We don't need no stinking badgers!

diaphoresis		2011-09-15 07:36:42 AM

Bruinstoo: Confabulat: Badger and Skinny Pete better watch their mouths, eh

Badgers? We don't need no stinking badgers!

Damnit.. missed that one... Grrrr

Savage Belief		2011-09-15 07:41:47 AM

Sounds like someone has "little man parts" syndrome. I mean seriously. Killing someone for posting funny shiat about cartels on the net? If Calderon wasn't neck deep in all this I'd say he needs to do a little military style house cleaning and take his country back.

hitlersbrain		2011-09-15 07:43:41 AM

angrygrizzly: LEGALIZE ALL DRUGS!

BAN ALL GUNS IN AMERICA! WE'RE KILLING MEXICO!

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION! OPEN THE BORDERS!

THIS IS ALL BUSH'S FAULT!

did I miss anything? This IS the way these usually go, amirite?

Why change anything when our current policies have worked so well so far? Dead bodies everywhere, prisons filled to capacity. Sadistic crime bosses living out your power fantasies.

Isn't there a teabagger convention somewhere? Shouldn't you be applauding various forms of institutionalized murder, abuse and neglect there?

stirfrybry		2011-09-15 07:44:22 AM

Gleeman		2011-09-15 07:47:10 AM

internut scholar: vacation in Mexico

i.imgur.com

Cancun or Acapulco maybe. The rest of the country? Not so much. I felt less threatened on liberty in the Middle East than walking around in Mexico. And the cops are worse than the criminals.

Burr		2011-09-15 07:47:49 AM

Anybody notice it has been about 7 hours since Weaver went on his tirade, and hasn't been heard from since (in this thread)

I think they got him

hitlersbrain		2011-09-15 07:50:26 AM

Doink_Boink		2011-09-15 07:53:21 AM

Good thing for subby that the cartels don't Fark...or do they?

Jake Havechek		2011-09-15 07:53:50 AM

Be sure to book your vacation in beautiful and safe Mexico today!

lilplatinum		2011-09-15 07:55:04 AM

hitlersbrain: Yes, white anglo culture tends to be very racist. Slavery and genocide are their hallmarks. You make a valid point. It's not their fault, it's their culture.

Humans have been practicing slavery and genocide since they evolved society, don't hate on us crackers just because we were better at it than others.

Sargun		2011-09-15 07:55:09 AM

Burr: Anybody notice it has been about 7 hours since Weaver went on his tirade, and hasn't been heard from since (in this thread)

I think they got him

3.bp.blogspot.com

RIP WEAVILE

Molavian		2011-09-15 07:56:43 AM

lilplatinum: hitlersbrain: Yes, white anglo culture tends to be very racist. Slavery and genocide are their hallmarks. You make a valid point. It's not their fault, it's their culture.

Humans have been practicing slavery and genocide since they evolved society, don't hate on us crackers just because we were better at it than others.

Yeah, you can't blame us for our culture of success.

xanadian		2011-09-15 07:57:00 AM

violentsalvation: As I fought my addiction I learned that the problems with drugs are not really the drugs themselves, the problem is with the prohibition. We created the problem.

It's one of the things (probably the only thing) I agree with Ron Paul on. Legalize that shiat.

/RON PAUL

Vtimlin		2011-09-15 07:57:36 AM

Thunderpipes		2011-09-15 07:57:56 AM

And liberals want open borders for these thugs....

Uchiha_Cycliste		2011-09-15 07:58:26 AM

Listen up Google and Facebook THIS IS WHY YOU ALLOW INTERNET USERS TO HAVE ANONYMOUS ACCOUNTS

Wicked Chinchilla		2011-09-15 07:58:30 AM

stirfrybry: Confabulat: doglover: Assholes did this. Killing each other is farkin' Mexico's traditional past time and religion. It's been that way since before America had any white people. This kind of war is their farkin' culture. It has nothing to do with the US.

Why not just call Mexicans subhuman creatures from Hell and tell us what you really think about Hispanics.

LOL race card. With you idiots it's always the race card. Never mind the word culture. It always boils down to race,eh?

Its not the culture either.

Look, if you have an illegal industry worth billions of dollars there is going to be competition. Since it is illegal eventually that competition will manifest itself with actual physical violence, bribery, extortion, etc. Since the industry itself is illegal there is no other alternative for rectifying failed contracts or settling disputes once both sides abandon civility. Where Apple and Samsung and Sony are now suing the pants off of one another were their industries illegal they would be offing their in store personal, were they illegal.

This has happened before in the United States: see Prohibition and the various organizations that sprang up to traffic it in. Had we really been serious for decades fighting alcohol like we have been for drugs we would probably have seen this level of violence.

So yes, it is our policies that did this. Culture, ethics, race, religion etc. all take a backseat to making enormous sums of money.

OnlyM3		2011-09-15 07:58:33 AM

Don't know about you, but this makes me especially glad the U.S. batfe is arming them.

/// thanks zero.

xanadian		2011-09-15 07:58:33 AM

Burr: Anybody notice it has been about 7 hours since Weaver went on his tirade, and hasn't been heard from since (in this thread)

I think they got him

www.howmuchdotheyweigh.com

R.I.P WEAVER

Tomahawk513		2011-09-15 07:58:42 AM

Can we just annex Mexico? Sure the US isn't perfect, but come on... They're practically flooding here already, and it's not like we don't have a history of annexing Mexican territory.

/no passport needed to visit cancun! Think about that!

TimeWaste		2011-09-15 08:00:36 AM

Mexico's only hope:

mydisguises.com

MDGeist		2011-09-15 08:01:18 AM

Go Mexico way to not be a hell hole...

Jake Havechek		2011-09-15 08:01:39 AM

Thunderpipes: And liberals want open borders for these thugs....

They do? Who told you that?

signaljammer		2011-09-15 08:02:45 AM

I hail from a time of $15/oz weed, $10 in Ariz.
We knew what good weed was. We had Thai stick which was the progenitor of the 'modern' stuff. We had tons of $7/gm hashish which was strictly a two-hit affair. We had exotics from Africa, Jamaica, all over. Also, pet ether-liberated orange oil.
Please.

Another Government Employee		2011-09-15 08:03:53 AM

And we wonder why we have an illegal immigrant problem?

xanadian		2011-09-15 08:04:04 AM

internut scholar: I am thinking about cancelling my plans to vacation in Mexico and go somewhere safer, like Baghdad.

I hear the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan are lovely this time of year.......

Porous Horace		2011-09-15 08:04:55 AM

Wicked Chinchilla:
So yes, it is our policies that did this. Culture, ethics, race, religion etc. all take a backseat to making enormous sums of money.

I'm sick of this North-American (and especially white) self-hating. "We created terrorists. We created cartels. We created violence." And so on.

It's actually quite racist in that it puts us above all others in that we created them, they had no choice but to be putty in our hands. Sorry, others are not blameless and we're not always the guilty party.

jso2897		2011-09-15 08:05:04 AM

xanadian: violentsalvation: As I fought my addiction I learned that the problems with drugs are not really the drugs themselves, the problem is with the prohibition. We created the problem.

It's one of the things (probably the only thing) I agree with Ron Paul on. Legalize that shiat.

/RON PAUL

Troble is, it's too late. The cartels exist, now.
We learned this the hard way from Prohibition. It turned the Mafia from a few "moustache Petes" terrorising Brooklyn and Cicero into a powerful crime cartel.
But when we got rid of Prohibition, the Mafia didn't go away. It is only now dying off from old age and lack of interest on the part of the new generation.
They just moved into other things - including racketeering and takeovers of legitimate businesses. The Mexican cartels will do the same if we legalize drugs.
At this point, Mexico is going to be dealing with them for another generation or two, no matter what anybody does. And on some level, we are going to have to deal with them too - it isn't like they are too religious about staying on their side of the border.
It's a bad situation, and there is no simple solution. You can't always fix things by just stopping what you did to cause them.

CapnBlues		2011-09-15 08:05:21 AM

Thunderpipes: And liberals want open borders for these thugs....

As a liberal, I can tell you that your generalization does not apply to ALL liberals, because I (and all of my liberal friends) do NOT want to open the borders for the drug cartels.

Did you know that conservatives want to crush puppies?

tirob		2011-09-15 08:05:27 AM

I have a friend--a Canadian of Mexican birth--who now refuses to travel to Mexico (where she has relatives) because of all of the drug related violence.

Plenty of blame to go around for this.

BurnShrike		2011-09-15 08:07:05 AM

tirob: I have a friend--a Canadian of Mexican birth--who now refuses to travel to Mexico (where she has relatives) because of all of the drug related violence.

Plenty of blame to go around for this.

Oh sure. Blame the Canadians.

xanadian		2011-09-15 08:07:05 AM

Confabulat: cman: For that little bit of Mexican weed you have, this is what the end result is. Sorry to ruin your high, bro

Ha, real weedheads buy locally. Mexican weed is for teenage wanna-be hippies.

My father used to work on the border up here. Apparently, next to potatoes and broccoli, marijuana was the #3 cash crop in Aroostook County.

No lie.

Fail in Human Form		2011-09-15 08:07:58 AM

cman: For that little bit of Mexican weed you have, this is what the end result is. Sorry to ruin your high, bro

So legalize it and take away the cartel's power.

/Troll harder bro

phelixcubed		2011-09-15 08:08:33 AM

Gleeman: internut scholar: vacation in Mexico

[i.imgur.com image 292x302]

Cancun or Acapulco maybe. The rest of the country? Not so much. I felt less threatened on liberty in the Middle East than walking around in Mexico. And the cops are worse than the criminals.

No place in Mexico is safe from the violence... if you haven't heard, Acapulco's a war zone as well. CIDA and La Barredora/CDS is battling for control of that plaza. Body counts upwards of 10 per weekend aren't uncommon.

SniperJoe:
You're pretty much spot on there. I read Murder City a few months ago and it was basically a non-fiction book about an author who spent time in Juarez to get an idea of why the murders were going on and how many there actually were. He interviewed everyone from media members, state and federal police to hitmen and eventually seemed to come to the conclusion that the murders were just the way of life down there. There was no why, because why didn't matter. The whole thing was spiraling out of control and it seemed like EVERYONE was corrupt.

Have you read the Harper's Weekly article on the life of a sicario? (new window) Found it well written and fascinating, from a gunman's point of view.

lilplatinum		2011-09-15 08:08:35 AM

Another Government Employee: And we wonder why we have an illegal immigrant problem?

Because we like cheap labor and are too entitled to actually do physical jobs ourselves, even when the unemployment rate is skyrocketing?

BurnShrike		2011-09-15 08:08:57 AM

Why the fark would anyone smoke Mexican weed when the Canadian stuff is much, much better?

Doink_Boink		2011-09-15 08:09:07 AM

Comment FTA:

freemanintx
"Bodies hanging from bridge in Mexico are warning to social media users... Kinda like the Obama Cartel's " "Attack Watch"

Jesus, I am so tired of moronic teabags/GOPers who tirelessly feel the need to display their juvenile idiocy with online comments such as this. Every news article turns into an anti-Obama/anti-libtard fest for these idiots. Yes, it was anti-Bush back in the day, but NOWHERE NEAR the level of this derptitude, at least we were funny and not angry and serious, and we tended to stay on topic. WTOP had an article the other day about the greater number of mosquitoes in the DC area due to the hurricane/rains and right off two derpers type junk about the bloodsucking Libtards and that it's just a smokescreen article to hide the misdeeds of the Dems. I didn't revisit the article comments, but I'm sure there are a ton more of similar value. Maybe free speech should come with an IQ minimum.

Jake Havechek		2011-09-15 08:09:20 AM

Mexico is a failed state, they should just go back to feudalism.

Thunderpipes		2011-09-15 08:10:00 AM

Jake Havechek: Thunderpipes: And liberals want open borders for these thugs....

They do? Who told you that?

Every single liberal politician who refuses to enforce immigration laws or the border. Every single liberal farker who refuses to support enforcing immigration laws or the border.

My own super liberal governor, Shumlin, just launched a special investigation because two illegal aliens were arrested in Vermont after a lawful stop. This is the kind of ass hattery you guys support.

Fail in Human Form		2011-09-15 08:10:14 AM

lilplatinum: Another Government Employee: And we wonder why we have an illegal immigrant problem?

Because we like cheap labor and are too entitled to actually do physical jobs ourselves, even when the unemployment rate is skyrocketing?

Not true, we'll do that work... but we want decent wage for doing it.

LewDux		2011-09-15 08:10:50 AM

GANG.mex

We don't have bloggers. We mangle them

jso2897		2011-09-15 08:12:01 AM

CapnBlues: Thunderpipes: And liberals want open borders for these thugs....

As a liberal, I can tell you that your generalization does not apply to ALL liberals, because I (and all of my liberal friends) do NOT want to open the borders for the drug cartels.

Did you know that conservatives want to crush puppies?

When he says "liberal", he isn't referring to any actual person or philosophy - he uses the term as a child would use the term "boogeyman" - it's just a symbolic repository for all things he thinks are bad.
Don't take anything he says about "liberals" personally - it's not about you.

hitlersbrain		2011-09-15 08:12:04 AM

Thunderpipes: And liberals want open borders for these thugs....

And take jobs away from American thugs.

Jake Havechek		2011-09-15 08:12:27 AM

Thunderpipes: Jake Havechek: Thunderpipes: And liberals want open borders for these thugs....

They do? Who told you that?

Every single liberal politician who refuses to enforce immigration laws or the border. Every single liberal farker who refuses to support enforcing immigration laws or the border.

My own super liberal governor, Shumlin, just launched a special investigation because two illegal aliens were arrested in Vermont after a lawful stop. This is the kind of ass hattery you guys support.

Every single liberal politician and every single liberal farker? Wow, you must be a mindreader or something, you need to go on the Tonight Show.

Father_Jack		2011-09-15 08:13:04 AM

lilplatinum		2011-09-15 08:13:20 AM

Fail in Human Form: Not true, we'll do that work... but we want decent wage for doing it.

Considering the amount of reconstruction jobs that paid okay after hurricane katrina that they couldn't find a single person to do and had to fill with Mexicans, no we won't do that work. Our conception of a decent wage is a bit optomistic in these menial peon jobs too.

Fail in Human Form		2011-09-15 08:14:03 AM

Thunderpipes: And liberals want open borders for these thugs....

i53.tinypic.com

fireclown		2011-09-15 08:15:26 AM

Heck, in the USA the country comes to a halt if you just hang a rope on something, let alone a rope with a person in it.

Just in case anyone is paying attention: The Zetas are a bunch of great guys, and snappy dressers to boot.

CapnBlues		2011-09-15 08:17:38 AM

jso2897: CapnBlues: Thunderpipes: And liberals want open borders for these thugs....

As a liberal, I can tell you that your generalization does not apply to ALL liberals, because I (and all of my liberal friends) do NOT want to open the borders for the drug cartels.

Did you know that conservatives want to crush puppies?

When he says "liberal", he isn't referring to any actual person or philosophy - he uses the term as a child would use the term "boogeyman" - it's just a symbolic repository for all things he thinks are bad.
Don't take anything he says about "liberals" personally - it's not about you.

Yeah, I didn't pay close enough attention to the username. Should've known better.

Still -- I heard that the republican party is now on a pro-crushing agenda when it comes to kittens and puppies. The really conservative ones are even after the bunnies.

Riotboy		2011-09-15 08:17:48 AM

This is why you don't show-off on Facebook.

Molavian		2011-09-15 08:17:55 AM

Father_Jack: Thunderpipes: Jake Havechek: Thunderpipes: And liberals want open borders for these thugs....

They do? Who told you that?

Every single liberal politician who refuses to enforce immigration laws or the border. Every single liberal farker who refuses to support enforcing immigration laws or the border.

My own super liberal governor, Shumlin, just launched a special investigation because two illegal aliens were arrested in Vermont after a lawful stop. This is the kind of ass hattery you guys support.

you have mexicans in vermont?

Probably MS-13 buying supplies to make meth.

Harry Freakstorm		2011-09-15 08:18:09 AM

The rules seem to be slightly different down there.

www.baronbarclay.com

And then Mexico played two aces and got hung up.

pippi longstocking		2011-09-15 08:19:01 AM

If you legalize drugs and prostitution you take away money and power to those that otherwise would be slinging fries at McDonald's. That's not the problem, the problem is that you take away money and power from the corrupt officials that support said thugs. That's why politicians never really do anything other than throw money at the problem. You'd have to be a complete imbecile to realize that they only real solution is legalization. Remember prohibition?

Magorn		2011-09-15 08:19:57 AM

violentsalvation: So, they more or less control the media now and police chiefs, mayors and governors are short lived. How much longer until Mexico is officially considered a failed state? How much longer do we perpetuate this f*cked up, freedom infringing drug war at their expense? Vote for change assholes, or at least, moon a cop.

I'm grimly convinced that once our boys get home from Afghanistan and Iraq, we're going to have to turn around and send them into Mexico- and this time they really will be there to "keep America safe". It will probably be only after a decade or so of that fighting that the movement to de-criminalize drugs and treat them as a public health problem rather than a criminal one will gain any traction

lilplatinum		2011-09-15 08:21:39 AM

Magorn: I'm grimly convinced that once our boys get home from Afghanistan and Iraq, we're going to have to turn around and send them into Mexico- and this time they really will be there to "keep America safe

On the bright side, there will be no manpower shortage in getting people from Southern States to sign up for the privlidge of shooting at Mexicans.

Hell, we could probably get them to pay us for it..

I see a deficit solution...

Public Savant		2011-09-15 08:21:41 AM

Harry Freakstorm: The rules seem to be slightly different down there.

[www.baronbarclay.com image 640x746]

And then Mexico played two aces and got hung up.

Wow...that was...boring.

I_C_Weener		2011-09-15 08:21:51 AM

Begun the war on lolcats has.

Sensitiveborderarea		2011-09-15 08:22:49 AM

Jake Havechek: Thunderpipes: And liberals want open borders for these thugs....

They do? Who told you that?

California is generally accepted as the most liberal state in the United States. It is also completely freaking insane. Twenty good examples to prove the point. Two of my favorites...

#15 Illegal immigration is a massive financial drain on the state, and yet California lawmakers just passed the "Dream Act" which gives even more benefits to illegal aliens.

#7 California has some of the worst public schools in the nation. In the late 70s, California was number one in per-pupil spending on education, but now the state has fallen to 48th place. Instead of focusing on the basics, lawmakers keep passing bills requiring even more hardcore "politically correct" indoctrination of California's young children. In one school district in California, children as young as five years old are being forced to watch propaganda films that tout the benefits of "alternative lifestyles", and parents are being told that no "opting out" will be permitted.

Savage Belief		2011-09-15 08:23:07 AM

How many cartel leaders does it take to Chanel a lightbulb?

Excuse me there is someone kicking in my door...

fireclown		2011-09-15 08:23:33 AM

Fail in Human Form: Thunderpipes: And liberals want open borders for these thugs....

Thunderpipes may be trolling, but the left has been a bit soft on the notion of securing our border to the south, or of efforts to return illegal immigrants. Only the most unhinged on the left (or maybe a few libertarians) will favor a truly open border, but when the hue and cry goes up when a state wants to step up physical security, or to make sure that people are really americans before issuing them U.S. drivers licenses, you can pretty much bet it's coming from the left.

CapnBlues		2011-09-15 08:25:32 AM

Magorn: violentsalvation: So, they more or less control the media now and police chiefs, mayors and governors are short lived. How much longer until Mexico is officially considered a failed state? How much longer do we perpetuate this f*cked up, freedom infringing drug war at their expense? Vote for change assholes, or at least, moon a cop.

I'm grimly convinced that once our boys get home from Afghanistan and Iraq, we're going to have to turn around and send them into Mexico- and this time they really will be there to "keep America safe". It will probably be only after a decade or so of that fighting that the movement to de-criminalize drugs and treat them as a public health problem rather than a criminal one will gain any traction

This worries me, because if it truly becomes a war with foreign deployment, there will never be a true decriminalization movement. Once you put patriotism and defense of the nation into the agenda, it's really hard to scale back a conflict. Look at Iraq -- almost ten years later now, and even though most of America opposes it, we still have a fair number of troops there. Afghanistan is even worse. I'm not a Paulite, but I do think that if we can't make good use of our military overseas, we shouldn't use it at all. At this point, I'd actually be okay with the Iraq war if we'd ACTUALLY taken the oil and crushed all opposition with an iron fist. at least then somebody would have gotten something out of it. As it stands, the only victors are defense contractors like Halliburton.

lilplatinum		2011-09-15 08:26:50 AM

Sensitiveborderarea: California is generally accepted as the most liberal state in the United States

Which is why general wisdom is farking stupid, huge swaths of California are conservative.

Fail in Human Form		2011-09-15 08:27:22 AM

fireclown: Fail in Human Form: Thunderpipes: And liberals want open borders for these thugs....

Thunderpipes may be trolling, but the left has been a bit soft on the notion of securing our border to the south, or of efforts to return illegal immigrants. Only the most unhinged on the left (or maybe a few libertarians) will favor a truly open border, but when the hue and cry goes up when a state wants to step up physical security, or to make sure that people are really americans before issuing them U.S. drivers licenses, you can pretty much bet it's coming from the left.

Agreed, but he's painting with a broad brush. I'm about as far left as you can get and I want to secure the border. I just disagree with how that should be done and what should happen to those already here after it's done.

Tomahawk513		2011-09-15 08:27:30 AM

I_C_Weener: Begun the war on lolcats has.

LOL! Great way to start a Thursday, I lawled.

digitalrain		2011-09-15 08:28:14 AM

LewDux: Note to self - don't read articles about Mexican gang warnings

also
Warning: keep sharp things away from Mexicans

Damn right!

headofrothchild.files.wordpress.com

Oh - you said sharp things, not sharpies...

OldManDownDRoad		2011-09-15 08:28:54 AM

Harry Freakstorm: The rules seem to be slightly different down there.

[www.baronbarclay.com image 640x746]

And then Mexico played two aces and got hung up.

Dude, I thought East had a proper beef over those hearts. Perhaps he settled the matter by kicking West in the shins, or maybe he pulled a .45 and gave him a round between the eyes.

/just don't knock over my drink

Sensitiveborderarea		2011-09-15 08:28:54 AM

In the United States, private citizens with legally owned guns kill more criminals than police do. Fortunately, Mexico doesn't have that problem. These barbaric acts are indeed troubling, but at least we can rest easy knowing that Mexico has strict gun control to insure that law abiding citizens will not lash out with violence against the criminal gangs which murder people and hang disemboweled bodies from overpasses.

liam76		2011-09-15 08:29:01 AM

Jake Havechek: Be sure to book your vacation in beautiful and safe Mexico today!

Actually looking at a place in Playa de Carmen

CapnBlues: Did you know that conservatives want to crush puppies?

BS.

It is un-american to crush puppies.

Now if you want to talk kittens, then I can firmly say that the lord has no problem with a good american kitty stomping.

Ball Sack Obama		2011-09-15 08:30:31 AM

FTFA: Attackers left her topless, dangling by her feet and hands from a bridge in the border city of Nuevo Laredo.

Topless, huh?

Amos Quito		2011-09-15 08:30:57 AM

The biggest threat to the drug cartels?

Legalization / decriminalization.

That is all.

CapnBlues		2011-09-15 08:30:58 AM

liam76: Jake Havechek: Be sure to book your vacation in beautiful and safe Mexico today!

Actually looking at a place in Playa de Carmen

CapnBlues: Did you know that conservatives want to crush puppies?

BS.

It is un-american to crush puppies.

Now if you want to talk kittens, then I can firmly say that the lord has no problem with a good american kitty stomping.

I'm right there with you.

i195.photobucket.com

Wicked Chinchilla		2011-09-15 08:31:19 AM

Porous Horace: Wicked Chinchilla:
So yes, it is our policies that did this. Culture, ethics, race, religion etc. all take a backseat to making enormous sums of money.

I'm sick of this North-American (and especially white) self-hating. "We created terrorists. We created cartels. We created violence." And so on.

It's actually quite racist in that it puts us above all others in that we created them, they had no choice but to be putty in our hands. Sorry, others are not blameless and we're not always the guilty party.

I didn't say they were blameless either. They are the ones doing all the shooting and killing. Its just over our money. They created the violence. Our purchasing power created the competition that led to said violence. I am sick of people saying that its entirely their fault because their Mexicans/Haitians/Columbians whatever and thats just what they do. Its not what "They" do. Its what every "Human" is capable of. Everyone has a price. What the illegal drug trade does is make that price a whole helluva lot more accessible.

You can't deny our significant role in this problem anymore than you can deny their role in this problem. Its symbiotic. Right now we are only attempting to seriously address one side of the issue right now: the cartels. However no matter how many people we jail, or they kill there will ALWAYS be someone stepping up in the vacant spots because of the enormous sums of money to be made. Thats just fact. The best way to reduce that is legalization. Prohibition is a perfect example of this exact problem.

Rev. Skarekroe		2011-09-15 08:33:34 AM

These are the f*ckers that make me wish The Punisher was real.

Sock Ruh Tease		2011-09-15 08:33:58 AM

The whole point is that the FBI supports blind bigotry - or at the least, does nothing to stop it within its training courses.

Some of you dumb farks might say "herpaderp, but they is right, Muslims has a hive mind and all 1.4 billion of them must be terrorists if the FBI says so, herpaderp".

It sets a precedent. When bigotry is seen as acceptable in society, things get worse. Will you idiots be satisfied when your fellow citizens are being rounded up because they happen to go to a mosque instead of a church? Or how about when the FBI starts seeing other religions as a threat, such as your own?

When that happens, I hope you remember freedom of religion applied to everyone, once upon a time.

entitled		2011-09-15 08:34:57 AM

violentsalvation: Ugh, more balls than me. They are too close to me. I don't even blame the cartels, sure some of their members should be on death row. But this is on us. Our policies did this.

Policies don't leave disemboweled body cavities dripping entrails. It's likely an actual human did this.

Sock Ruh Tease		2011-09-15 08:35:40 AM

Oops, wrong thread

CapnBlues		2011-09-15 08:36:55 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: Oops, wrong thread

I was really confused for a moment there.

digitalrain		2011-09-15 08:38:25 AM

RIP Weevil

k4mi		2011-09-15 08:38:43 AM

Considering the "assistance" we have given to Libya in the past few months, would it really be that difficult to negotiate something with Mexico where the US assists them with some of these issues. It is a problem much closer to home than anything in the middle easy. I don't them using US soldiers, but considering where most of the cartels operate, Mexico doesn't have the technology or ability to monitor out in the middle of no-where Mexico. The US has vast satellite and military monitoring capability with drones and such, would it be that hard to locate some of the facilities/farms being used by the cartels and then use drone strike to take them out. No manpower expended and let Mexico take all the credit for the strikes. I would imagine there would be a period of retaliation by the cartels but after a few months of strikes it might diminish some of the power these drug lords and wielding.

LowbrowDeluxe		2011-09-15 08:40:27 AM

angrygrizzly: LEGALIZE ALL DRUGS!

BAN ALL GUNS IN AMERICA! WE'RE KILLING MEXICO!

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION! OPEN THE BORDERS!

THIS IS ALL BUSH'S FAULT!

did I miss anything? This IS the way these usually go, amirite?

Your meds, if I had to guess.

Amos Quito		2011-09-15 08:42:20 AM

k4mi: Considering the "assistance" we have given to Libya in the past few months, would it really be that difficult to negotiate something with Mexico where the US assists them with some of these issues. It is a problem much closer to home than anything in the middle easy. I don't them using US soldiers, but considering where most of the cartels operate, Mexico doesn't have the technology or ability to monitor out in the middle of no-where Mexico. The US has vast satellite and military monitoring capability with drones and such, would it be that hard to locate some of the facilities/farms being used by the cartels and then use drone strike to take them out. No manpower expended and let Mexico take all the credit for the strikes. I would imagine there would be a period of retaliation by the cartels but after a few months of strikes it might diminish some of the power these drug lords and wielding.

So, you're proposing a "war on drugs"?

That should work.

Worst.Fark handle. ever.		2011-09-15 08:43:24 AM

This About That: violentsalvation: moon a cop

I suggest mooning a politician. Cops don't make the rules.

They just gleefully enforce them, usually with the most "legal" brutality possible.

fireclown		2011-09-15 08:44:05 AM

Fail in Human Form: Agreed, but he's painting with a broad brush. I'm about as far left as you can get and I want to secure the border. I just disagree with how that should be done and what should happen to those already here after it's done.

Curse you and your civil tone! I'm not sure what to do about the whole damned mess. I am holding out hope that through increased trade Mexico can end up being a more prosperous society in which people will feel less compelled to head up here to gringolandia. If I grew up poor in Oxaca, the INS would have to deport me every month.

sarah_t_s		2011-09-15 08:45:34 AM

cman: For that little bit of Mexican weed you have, this is what the end result is. Sorry to ruin your high, bro

The drugs aren't the problem. The War on Drugs is the problem. If you could buy the tightest strongest skunk you ever dreamed of in the local supermarket same as your other smoker related products (papers, tabacco, etc.) along with the same levels of tax do you think half of these people would be running around with guns?

No. They'd be business men and illiterate farmers who the hand wringers would be busy worrying about due to growing a cash crop instead of food.

The war on drugs gives these people such incentives and power.

crazytrpr		2011-09-15 08:45:47 AM

Private_Citizen: My company has a plant in Reynosa. The last time I was there was years ago, and I remember eating lunch in town, and we were only people in the restaurant. The waiters were watching TV, which was showing the news that the local police chief had been gunned down by the cartels.

Now, we've been banned from travel to the plant for years, and the local media no longer reports on cartel related news because the bad guys started killing reporters. It's a freaking war zone down there, and I don't think it's going to get better.

This story is bad because the locals have been using the internet to warn each other and spread the news (since the media has all been subjugated). If the locals get to scared to even use the net, then they will truly be "in the dark". Still, I think the worst part of the story is that no one has claimed the bodies. That says the loved ones are either too scared, or missing people are so common that they have no real hope of finding them. Either way, good luck to Mexico - they're going to need it.

Wait until this shiat starts happening here. Hell we can even legalize drugs and it will still happen here. Why? We're broke and you can make as much money from counterfeiting legal goods as you can selling drugs, estimated at 600Billion world wide. Just moving ciggarrettes from low/no tax states to high tax states is very profitable.

With many states hungry for new revenues you can see tax increases on a bunch of other products or a VAT introduced. Add in competing spending priorities and we don't have enough money to jail the current crop of criminals we have even if we kick loose the non violent druggie offenders. Can you say opportunity.

Opportunities besides drugs include:

Trafficking in drugs, humans, legal but over taxed or stolen products.

Loan sharking and extortion

Money laundering will be a booming business. Both tax evasion laundering or cleaning dirty money (those money laundering goals are generally mutually exclusive).

Cybercrime and other financial fraud.

If currency controls along with import/export controls are imposed, that would be the mother load for traffickers in this globalized economy.

Porous Horace		2011-09-15 08:46:46 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: Porous Horace: Wicked Chinchilla:
So yes, it is our policies that did this. Culture, ethics, race, religion etc. all take a backseat to making enormous sums of money.

I'm sick of this North-American (and especially white) self-hating. "We created terrorists. We created cartels. We created violence." And so on.

It's actually quite racist in that it puts us above all others in that we created them, they had no choice but to be putty in our hands. Sorry, others are not blameless and we're not always the guilty party.

I didn't say they were blameless either. They are the ones doing all the shooting and killing. Its just over our money. They created the violence. Our purchasing power created the competition that led to said violence. I am sick of people saying that its entirely their fault because their Mexicans/Haitians/Columbians whatever and thats just what they do. Its not what "They" do. Its what every "Human" is capable of. Everyone has a price. What the illegal drug trade does is make that price a whole helluva lot more accessible.

You can't deny our significant role in this problem anymore than you can deny their role in this problem. Its symbiotic. Right now we are only attempting to seriously address one side of the issue right now: the cartels. However no matter how many people we jail, or they kill there will ALWAYS be someone stepping up in the vacant spots because of the enormous sums of money to be made. Thats just fact. The best way to reduce that is legalization. Prohibition is a perfect example of this exact problem.

Ok, I pretty much agree with you here but I dunno about about the legalization of certain drugs, but I also don't have any other solution to offer other than education. And I'm out out time for now, so I bid you a pleasant day; may it be free of horrible violence.

jso2897		2011-09-15 08:46:48 AM

Sensitiveborderarea: Jake Havechek: Thunderpipes: And liberals want open borders for these thugs....

They do? Who told you that?

California is generally accepted as the most liberal state in the United States. It is also completely freaking insane. Twenty good examples to prove the point. Two of my favorites...

#15 Illegal immigration is a massive financial drain on the state, and yet California lawmakers just passed the "Dream Act" which gives even more benefits to illegal aliens.

#7 California has some of the worst public schools in the nation. In the late 70s, California was number one in per-pupil spending on education, but now the state has fallen to 48th place. Instead of focusing on the basics, lawmakers keep passing bills requiring even more hardcore "politically correct" indoctrination of California's young children. In one school district in California, children as young as five years old are being forced to watch propaganda films that tout the benefits of "alternative lifestyles", and parents are being told that no "opting out" will be permitted.

You're absolutely right. It's a terrible place, and you should never come here under any circumstance.
BTW, parasite stater - can we have our money back?

Fail in Human Form		2011-09-15 08:47:02 AM

k4mi: Considering the "assistance" we have given to Libya in the past few months, would it really be that difficult to negotiate something with Mexico where the US assists them with some of these issues. It is a problem much closer to home than anything in the middle easy. I don't them using US soldiers, but considering where most of the cartels operate, Mexico doesn't have the technology or ability to monitor out in the middle of no-where Mexico. The US has vast satellite and military monitoring capability with drones and such, would it be that hard to locate some of the facilities/farms being used by the cartels and then use drone strike to take them out. No manpower expended and let Mexico take all the credit for the strikes. I would imagine there would be a period of retaliation by the cartels but after a few months of strikes it might diminish some of the power these drug lords and wielding.

We already offer them huge amounts of assistance. Hell, we allow them to conduct operations on this side of the border. Until you take away the black market for cannabis, and with it a large amount of their funding, you will never win this battle.

/The American people have spoken and we want cannabis legal. It's our government and its propaganda that is failing us.

lilplatinum		2011-09-15 08:49:30 AM

Fail in Human Form: /The American people have spoken and we want cannabis legal. It's our government and its propaganda that is failing us.

Then why cant we get any referrendums passed to legalize it? For as much as we all know it should be legal, we famously fail when trying to vote it that way. Theres still a lot of greyhairs and derpers that love the status quo.

CapnBlues		2011-09-15 08:50:45 AM

wait, were these victims brown mexicans or white americans?

Confabulat		2011-09-15 08:50:51 AM

lilplatinum: Fail in Human Form: /The American people have spoken and we want cannabis legal. It's our government and its propaganda that is failing us.

Then why cant we get any referrendums passed to legalize it? For as much as we all know it should be legal, we famously fail when trying to vote it that way. Theres still a lot of greyhairs and derpers that love the status quo.

Because a lot of people are still upset about the '60s and the hippies and all the peace signs and love and long hair and hating on war and stuff, man. They just can't get over it, you know what I mean?

Kirk's_Toupee		2011-09-15 08:51:00 AM

cman: For that little bit of Mexican weed you have, this is what the end result is. Sorry to ruin your high, bro

make it legal to grow as well.

Xlr8urfark		2011-09-15 08:53:03 AM

jaybeezey		2011-09-15 08:53:25 AM

Confabulat: violentsalvation: I never tried weed, for a time I was very against drugs and saw them as a curse on our society. I got injured once and fell in love with opiates, I eventually became addicted to heroin without ever trying the so called "gateway drug". As I fought my addiction I learned that the problems with drugs are not really the drugs themselves, the problem is with the prohibition. We created the problem.

And that is one of the reasons I advocate legalization of all drugs, the other being, drug use is nobody's business, and certainly not the government's business.

Can't argue with a word on that.

Drugs were here before us. There's a reason flowers smell good to bees.

So let me get this straight, you are ok with perpetuating violence against innocent people because you like to get high. Check.

You know, the other way to stop all of the violence on the border is to stop being selfish and get off of the marijuana cigarettes and cocaine powders.

Interesting side note from a friend of mine from Zaragosa, when they can, the Zetas also run the tobacco and liquor trades in local areas. They are expanding.

Fail in Human Form		2011-09-15 08:53:27 AM

lilplatinum: Fail in Human Form: /The American people have spoken and we want cannabis legal. It's our government and its propaganda that is failing us.

Then why cant we get any referrendums passed to legalize it? For as much as we all know it should be legal, we famously fail when trying to vote it that way. Theres still a lot of greyhairs and derpers that love the status quo.

That would be the 50+ years of propaganda and the, thankfully, waining social stigma. We're really in a position of when and not if it becomes legal but it's still a loonnnggg road to hoe.

/There will be many more bodies left in the wake of this pointless conflict sadly
/I'd say 10ish years if California can legalize it in '12

crazytrpr		2011-09-15 08:55:48 AM

pippi longstocking: If you legalize drugs and prostitution you take away money and power to those that otherwise would be slinging fries at McDonald's. That's not the problem, the problem is that you take away money and power from the corrupt officials that support said thugs. That's why politicians never really do anything other than throw money at the problem. You'd have to be a complete imbecile to realize that they only real solution is legalization. Remember prohibition?

The mob moved on to loan sharking, labor racketteering, extortion and many other activities while not quite as profitable as running illegal liquor actually fark over our economy up even worse (The Mob Tax) and made petty thugs even more powerful than they would be if they had stuck to illegal booze and bribing public officials to look the other way.

Look up how Sam Giancanna effectively strangleheld much the economy through his control of the Teamsters and other unions.

Prohibition was a dumb idea, legallizing weed is probably a good idea but legalization is no panacea.

CBob		2011-09-15 08:56:08 AM

Magic phrase, "Undeclared Civil War".

Even when Lebanon was at it's worst, the world didn't pretend it wasn't.

There's too much money to be made in keeping Mexico "open" for business with the pretense of semi-normality.

battery1979		2011-09-15 08:57:04 AM

doglover: violentsalvation: Our policies did this.

Um, first off: no. You're wrong. We didn't do this.

Assholes did this. Killing each other is farkin' Mexico's traditional past time and religion. It's been that way since before America had any white people. This kind of war is their farkin' culture. It has nothing to do with the US.

Even if our policies are making it possible for the cartels to grow in power, the same cartels in different places wouldn't act quite the same. There's plenty of gangs in America that are ruthless, like the Hell's Angels. They don't hang people from the farkin' bridges or litter the street with heads.

Yet. But wouldn't america be much more entertaining place if they did?

Confabulat		2011-09-15 08:57:32 AM

jaybeezey: You know, the other way to stop all of the violence on the border is to stop being selfish and get off of the marijuana cigarettes and cocaine powders.

Hahaha I'd kill a thousand Mexicans before you get the bong out my hands, dumbass.

SniperJoe		2011-09-15 09:00:24 AM

phelixcubed:
Have you read the Harper's Weekly article on the life of a sicario? (new window) Found it well written and fascinating, from a gunman's point of view.

I have indeed read it. The author of Murder City wrote that article for Harper's. It is included as a chapter of the book.

Whack-a-Mole		2011-09-15 09:00:33 AM

vudukungfu		2011-09-15 09:00:56 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: The whole point is that the FBI supports blind bigotry - or at the least, does nothing to stop it within its training courses.

Some of you dumb farks might say "herpaderp, but they is right, Muslims has a hive mind and all 1.4 billion of them must be terrorists if the FBI says so, herpaderp".

It sets a precedent. When bigotry is seen as acceptable in society, things get worse. Will you idiots be satisfied when your fellow citizens are being rounded up because they happen to go to a mosque instead of a church? Or how about when the FBI starts seeing other religions as a threat, such as your own?

When that happens, I hope you remember freedom of religion applied to everyone, once upon a time.

Knock knock.
two threads up

proximo		2011-09-15 09:01:22 AM

I was doing work in El Paso a few years ago. A buddy of mine from our Juarez site facility came over and picked me up to go bar hopping as I had never been to Mexico.

He later got pulled over in Juarez and arrested for being drunk. Juarez's finest left me a few blocks from the bridge to walk out. Of Juarez. At 2 AM. Being white. With no gun or tequila.

Border patrol lady informed me I beat the odds.

/been to 7 under developed countries for my former job
//never been worried about making it out alive, save for that night in Juarez.
///never been back.
////slashies for not getting slashed by an angry Mexican.

crazytrpr		2011-09-15 09:01:57 AM

Xlr8urfark: jso2897: xanadian: violentsalvation: As I fought my addiction I learned that the problems with drugs are not really the drugs themselves, the problem is with the prohibition. We created the problem.

It's one of the things (probably the only thing) I agree with Ron Paul on. Legalize that shiat.

/RON PAUL

Troble is, it's too late. The cartels exist, now.
We learned this the hard way from Prohibition. It turned the Mafia from a few "moustache Petes" terrorising Brooklyn and Cicero into a powerful crime cartel.
But when we got rid of Prohibition, the Mafia didn't go away. It is only now dying off from old age and lack of interest on the part of the new generation.
They just moved into other things - including racketeering and takeovers of legitimate businesses. The Mexican cartels will do the same if we legalize drugs.
At this point, Mexico is going to be dealing with them for another generation or two, no matter what anybody does. And on some level, we are going to have to deal with them too - it isn't like they are too religious about staying on their side of the border.
It's a bad situation, and there is no simple solution. You can't always fix things by just stopping what you did to cause them.

Bears repeating.

.

I second that repeat.

LL316		2011-09-15 09:02:00 AM

I hope Anon blogs something about them.

lenfromak		2011-09-15 09:03:32 AM

Amos Quito		2011-09-15 09:04:56 AM

doglover		2011-09-15 09:05:36 AM

Confabulat: doglover: Assholes did this. Killing each other is farkin' Mexico's traditional past time and religion. It's been that way since before America had any white people. This kind of war is their farkin' culture. It has nothing to do with the US.

Why not just call Mexicans subhuman creatures from Hell and tell us what you really think about Hispanics.

Hispanics? They're iron men from an iron land. They used to be ultra violent Imperialists, but these days they stick to soccer and tomatoes and bullfighting.

Mexicans aren't what I think of as Hispanic. They might speak Spanish, but they're manly men from the mighty Aztec bloodlines. Even their women have big balls relative to Spanish girls from the Mediterranean.

The up side? Aztec culture is awesome.

The down side? Aztec blood must be spilled often over matters of honor. (Used to be sports and religion as well as honor. They're better now. Watch Apacalypto.)

When the Spanish came, the Mexicans went from a warrior culture to another warrior culture. But they've never been peaceful. They might not wear the jaguar skins anymore, and gats might have replaced the obsidian swords, but Mexicans are from one of the bloodiest cultures on Earth. There's centuries of precedent. In a way, it's kind of cool. If the gang bangers would just stick to each other I would even be supportive of that kind of respect for tradition.

But killing bloggers? Female ones, at that? That's just a dick move. I don't care what someone says about you online, you don't kill them. Especially not by guttin' 'em and leavin' them in the middle of nowhere.

Leeds		2011-09-15 09:06:02 AM

1) So we (America) say "f-you" to our own constitution and decide to claim that drugs can be deemed illegal.
2) Then drug violence takes over our cities and entire countries South of our border.
3) Then we supply the perpetrators of this violence with guns.
4) Now we sit back and watch innocent people get butchered, all the while locking up hundreds of thousands of our own people for breaking laws that aren't even constitutional.

+10 America, that's epic trolling on a level unmatched since the dark ages.

Yoyo		2011-09-15 09:06:40 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo		2011-09-15 09:06:50 AM

Sensitiveborderarea: #7 California has some of the worst public schools in the nation. In the late 70s, California was number one in per-pupil spending on education, but now the state has fallen to 48th place.

Seems like we gained on that deal, since we are NOT 48th place in actual student performance; rather we are somewhere in the 30s.

The rest of your link is equally as full of shiat, just like you.

Fail in Human Form		2011-09-15 09:09:50 AM

Leeds: 1) So we (America) say "f-you" to our own constitution and decide to claim that drugs can be deemed illegal.
2) Then drug violence takes over our cities and entire countries South of our border.
3) Then we supply the perpetrators of this violence with guns.
4) Now we sit back and watch innocent people get butchered, all the while locking up hundreds of thousands of our own people for breaking laws that aren't even constitutional.

5)Create increasingly longer prison sentences for drug crimes
6)Use prisoners as essentially slave labor
7)Profit

Confabulat		2011-09-15 09:11:31 AM

doglover: When the Spanish came, the Mexicans went from a warrior culture to another warrior culture. But they've never been peaceful. They might not wear the jaguar skins anymore, and gats might have replaced the obsidian swords, but Mexicans are from one of the bloodiest cultures on Earth. There's centuries of precedent. In a way, it's kind of cool. If the gang bangers would just stick to each other I would even be supportive of that kind of respect for tradition.

Wow, substitute "Mexicans" for "Africans" in this paragraph. You stay away from the black side of town, don't you?

lilplatinum		2011-09-15 09:14:12 AM

Fail in Human Form: lilplatinum: Fail in Human Form: /The American people have spoken and we want cannabis legal. It's our government and its propaganda that is failing us.

Then why cant we get any referrendums passed to legalize it? For as much as we all know it should be legal, we famously fail when trying to vote it that way. Theres still a lot of greyhairs and derpers that love the status quo.

That would be the 50+ years of propaganda and the, thankfully, waining social stigma. We're really in a position of when and not if it becomes legal but it's still a loonnnggg road to hoe.

/There will be many more bodies left in the wake of this pointless conflict sadly
/I'd say 10ish years if California can legalize it in '12

Fortunately I've moved within a few hours drive of Amsterdam so not my problem anymore.

LL316		2011-09-15 09:15:58 AM

Confabulat: doglover: When the Spanish came, the Mexicans went from a warrior culture to another warrior culture. But they've never been peaceful. They might not wear the jaguar skins anymore, and gats might have replaced the obsidian swords, but Mexicans are from one of the bloodiest cultures on Earth. There's centuries of precedent. In a way, it's kind of cool. If the gang bangers would just stick to each other I would even be supportive of that kind of respect for tradition.

Wow, substitute "Mexicans" for "Africans" in this paragraph. You stay away from the black side of town, don't you?

So history is racist?

urban.derelict		2011-09-15 09:16:08 AM

Amos Quito: Legalization ~~/ decriminalization.~~

That is all.

FTFY

proximo		2011-09-15 09:16:45 AM

Yoyo: H31N0US: Show me one large, predominantly Catholic ex-Iberian Colony that isn't wallowing in poverty with a corrupt and incompetent government, and I'll invite you over to my house for tea with the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. I'll even send my winged unicorn to pick you up.

Phillipines. Dominican Republic (depending on your definition of large).

I've been to both. I don't think they pass the litmus test. Esp the southern Phillipines and Dominican outside of the Colonial and Business districts.

Would still travel to either over most areas of Mexico. Would return to Cebu as many times as necessary.

Sensitiveborderarea		2011-09-15 09:18:26 AM

jso2897: Sensitiveborderarea: Jake Havechek: Thunderpipes: And liberals want open borders for these thugs....

They do? Who told you that?

California is generally accepted as the most liberal state in the United States. It is also completely freaking insane. Twenty good examples to prove the point. Two of my favorites...

#15 Illegal immigration is a massive financial drain on the state, and yet California lawmakers just passed the "Dream Act" which gives even more benefits to illegal aliens.

#7 California has some of the worst public schools in the nation. In the late 70s, California was number one in per-pupil spending on education, but now the state has fallen to 48th place. Instead of focusing on the basics, lawmakers keep passing bills requiring even more hardcore "politically correct" indoctrination of California's young children. In one school district in California, children as young as five years old are being forced to watch propaganda films that tout the benefits of "alternative lifestyles", and parents are being told that no "opting out" will be permitted.

You're absolutely right. It's a terrible place, and you should never come here under any circumstance.
BTW, parasite stater - can we have our money back?

Oh ... so you are one of those who think "red" states are parasites because they receive more fed money than they pay back because military people employed in those states really don't do any work and the blood they shed has no value.

Primus		2011-09-15 09:19:31 AM

Umm, it's human nature to want to get farked up and alter our consciousness. Why else do you think 5-year-olds spin super fast on playground merry-go-rounds for extended periods of time? Because it's fun, it feels good to be staggeringly dizzy, and it's the only option available to them.

People_are_Idiots		2011-09-15 09:19:42 AM

TimeWaste: Mexico's only hope:

[mydisguises.com image 479x383]

Typical Drug Lord:

www.johnnygoodtimes.com

Confabulat		2011-09-15 09:19:53 AM

LL316: So history is racist?

When you ascribe the motives of current individuals to their perceived stereotypical ancestors' cartoon version of their culture, damn right it's racist.

Go tell a black co-worker when he is upset with you that you understand, he's from a violent hostile culture, but you can respect that.

Go on. Tell him.

lilplatinum		2011-09-15 09:20:18 AM

Sensitiveborderarea: Oh ... so you are one of those who think "red" states are parasites because they receive more fed money than they pay back because military people employed in those states really don't do any work and the blood they shed has no value.

It certainly isn't worth the cost it takes to traine a soldier, and then have to give them benefits their entire life. Surely there are enough high school dropouts with no discernable talents we can trick into dying for our financial interests without giving so much away.

vudukungfu		2011-09-15 09:21:58 AM

doglover: Killing each other is farkin' Mexico's traditional past time and religion

Juan, where you from?
Mexico.
What's your national pastime there?
Bullfighting.
Isn't that revolting?
No. That's our second pastime.

/Bennet Cerf.
//1960
///Rotting in some library basement.

Captain_Ballbeard		2011-09-15 09:23:13 AM

k4mi: Considering the "assistance" we have given to Libya in the past few months, would it really be that difficult to negotiate something with Mexico where the US assists them with some of these issues. It is a problem much closer to home than anything in the middle easy. I don't them using US soldiers, but considering where most of the cartels operate, Mexico doesn't have the technology or ability to monitor out in the middle of no-where Mexico. The US has vast satellite and military monitoring capability with drones and such, would it be that hard to locate some of the facilities/farms being used by the cartels and then use drone strike to take them out. No manpower expended and let Mexico take all the credit for the strikes. I would imagine there would be a period of retaliation by the cartels but after a few months of strikes it might diminish some of the power these drug lords and wielding.

If you want to see everybody in an Olive Garden in Peoria IL executed. My friends in Laredo are terrified that the US Govt might actually try to 'help" more, knowing the wave of terror that would follow on this side of the border. These people do not fark around and they have nothing to lose.

crazytrpr		2011-09-15 09:24:02 AM

doglover: Confabulat: doglover: Assholes did this. Killing each other is farkin' Mexico's traditional past time and religion. It's been that way since before America had any white people. This kind of war is their farkin' culture. It has nothing to do with the US.

Why not just call Mexicans subhuman creatures from Hell and tell us what you really think about Hispanics.

Hispanics? They're iron men from an iron land. They used to be ultra violent Imperialists, but these days they stick to soccer and tomatoes and bullfighting.

Mexicans aren't what I think of as Hispanic. They might speak Spanish, but they're manly men from the mighty Aztec bloodlines. Even their women have big balls relative to Spanish girls from the Mediterranean.

The up side? Aztec culture is awesome.

The down side? Aztec blood must be spilled often over matters of honor. (Used to be sports and religion as well as honor. They're better now. Watch Apacalypto.)

When the Spanish came, the Mexicans went from a warrior culture to another warrior culture. But they've never been peaceful. They might not wear the jaguar skins anymore, and gats might have replaced the obsidian swords, but Mexicans are from one of the bloodiest cultures on Earth. There's centuries of precedent. In a way, it's kind of cool. If the gang bangers would just stick to each other I would even be supportive of that kind of respect for tradition.

But killing bloggers? Female ones, at that? That's just a dick move. I don't care what someone says about you online, you don't kill them. Especially not by guttin' 'em and leavin' them in the middle of nowhere.

Dick move it is but that's the point. Mix in some torture to the point of "madness" then release the victim as a demonstration of power and impunity. Its powerful combination of social control. I'll expect the Z-boys to post the video next time, with a big lag before google, youtube etc... dare to take it down.

RonEdwards		2011-09-15 09:24:49 AM

I don't know how anyone can say 'This is America's fault' and really mean it.

'If we legalized it, this wouldn't happen'... wouldn't Mexico have to legalize it? They are killing eachother, not us. When was the last time a criminal organization was powerful enough to have almost free reign in the US? (waiting for someone to say the US Army, har har).

You have to let your own system get pretty farked up before stuff like this starts going down. Their officials are corrupt, their forces are weak, and their citizens are scared. This is on them.

Another Pretentious Nickname		2011-09-15 09:25:25 AM

Weed accounts for 15% to 26% of Mexican drug export revenue, according to a RAND study; we should be talking about cocaine, not weed.

http://www.rand.org/news/press/2010/10/12.html

The debate about legalized cocaine is more difficult (for me at least) than the marijuana debate.

lilplatinum		2011-09-15 09:25:26 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: If you want to see everybody in an Olive Garden in Peoria IL executed

To be fair, if they eat at Olive Garden they wont be much of a loss to society.

RonEdwards		2011-09-15 09:26:23 AM

CapnBlues: Thunderpipes: And liberals want open borders for these thugs....

As a liberal, I can tell you that your generalization does not apply to ALL liberals, because I (and all of my liberal friends) do NOT want to open the borders for the drug cartels.

Did you know that conservatives want to crush puppies?

Don't start that crap, haha. Uneducated people on all sides have grand hyperbole for other parties. Can't we all just agree the Mexico is crazy and I only crushed one puppy out of self defense?

urban.derelict		2011-09-15 09:27:43 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: These are the f*ckers that make me wish The ~~Punisher~~ safe drugs ~~was real.~~ were legal. again.

/the illegal drugs are far safer than the legal ones
//nicotine is the most addictive drug on the planet (have a pinch of Camel Snus Frost under my lip right now... quitting smoking again as of today because 6/pack, pack/day is too expensive)
///alcohol makes you fat and stupid... that's why it's legal

Sensitiveborderarea		2011-09-15 09:28:21 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Sensitiveborderarea: #7 California has some of the worst public schools in the nation. In the late 70s, California was number one in per-pupil spending on education, but now the state has fallen to 48th place.

Seems like we gained on that deal, since we are NOT 48th place in actual student performance; rather we are somewhere in the 30s.

The rest of your link is equally as full of shiat, just like you.

I stand corrected. Please allow me to congratulate you and your state for going from number one to only number 37.

The All-Powerful Atheismo		2011-09-15 09:28:22 AM

Another Pretentious Nickname: The debate about legalized cocaine is more difficult (for me at least) than the marijuana debate.

Most studies, however, indicate that if you want to hang out you've got to take her out- cocaine.

EvenBetterCool		2011-09-15 09:28:43 AM

Doink_Boink: Comment FTA:

freemanintx
"Bodies hanging from bridge in Mexico are warning to social media users... Kinda like the Obama Cartel's " "Attack Watch"

Jesus, I am so tired of moronic teabags/GOPers who tirelessly feel the need to display their juvenile idiocy with online comments such as this. Every news article turns into an anti-Obama/anti-libtard fest for these idiots. Yes, it was anti-Bush back in the day, but NOWHERE NEAR the level of this derptitude, at least we were funny and not angry and serious, and we tended to stay on topic. WTOP had an article the other day about the greater number of mosquitoes in the DC area due to the hurricane/rains and right off two derpers type junk about the bloodsucking Libtards and that it's just a smokescreen article to hide the misdeeds of the Dems. I didn't revisit the article comments, but I'm sure there are a ton more of similar value. Maybe free speech should come with an IQ minimum.

Doesn't every article for everything do that? Isn't that what you are doing right now? The answer is yes to both. You are no better, or smarter than them. Enjoy that knowledge, sir or madam.

Captain_Ballbeard		2011-09-15 09:29:47 AM

Most importantly, will this have any affect on the Donkey Show out at Boys Town in NL?

Iranoobie		2011-09-15 09:31:01 AM

Even if the US legalized and regulated all drugs and money moving south of the border stopped, the cartels would move their businesses to every other country where demand for illicit drugs exists.

/Supply and demand

Captain_Ballbeard		2011-09-15 09:31:13 AM

lilplatinum: To be fair, if they eat at Olive Garden they wont be much of a loss to society.

touche'

The All-Powerful Atheismo		2011-09-15 09:31:19 AM

Sensitiveborderarea: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Sensitiveborderarea: #7 California has some of the worst public schools in the nation. In the late 70s, California was number one in per-pupil spending on education, but now the state has fallen to 48th place.

Seems like we gained on that deal, since we are NOT 48th place in actual student performance; rather we are somewhere in the 30s.

The rest of your link is equally as full of shiat, just like you.

I stand corrected. Please allow me to congratulate you and your state for going from number one to only number 37.

Wow you didn't understand my comment. big surprise there.

Go away. You add nothing of substance to this discussion but crap. In that way you mirror your mother, who added nothing of substance to the world when she had you.

I_C_Weener		2011-09-15 09:31:27 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Another Pretentious Nickname: The debate about legalized cocaine is more difficult (for me at least) than the marijuana debate.

Most studies, however, indicate that if you want to hang out you've got to take her out- cocaine.

It is also good for driving that train....which I take is a euphamism....maybe for a convoy of trucks.

The All-Powerful Atheismo		2011-09-15 09:32:09 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: lilplatinum: To be fair, if they eat at Olive Garden they wont be much of a loss to society.

touche'

In fact, I think a few executions are in order. And don't forget Arby's.

urban.derelict		2011-09-15 09:32:40 AM

Another Pretentious Nickname: The debate about legalized cocaine is more difficult (for me at least) than the marijuana debate.

What do you have against cocaine? Have you ever used it? I have, it's great. It doesn't turn you into a fat stumbling belligerent moron the way alcohol too often does.

DON.MAC		2011-09-15 09:33:14 AM

America has another option:
web.abnormal.com

/don't know how it would go down with 30 million American residents from Mexico.

stonelotus		2011-09-15 09:33:56 AM

Ciudad Juárez Fark party anyone?

The All-Powerful Atheismo		2011-09-15 09:34:12 AM

DON.MAC: America has another option:
[web.abnormal.com image 628x369]

/don't know how it would go down with 30 million American residents from Mexico.

What a strange color scheme.

Wytchone		2011-09-15 09:34:49 AM

Jack Black 62		2011-09-15 09:35:13 AM

If people were free to ingest any substance they wanted to into their very own bodies, things like this would not happen.

But remember, the War on (some) Drugs, is a success!

I_C_Weener		2011-09-15 09:35:21 AM

America doesn't negotiate with terrorists who don't have a nuclear bomb.

Also, threads like this are good for adding favorites in gray pots smoke colors.

Fail in Human Form		2011-09-15 09:35:35 AM

Iranoobie: Even if the US legalized and regulated all drugs and money moving south of the border stopped, the cartels would move their businesses to every other country where demand for illicit drugs exists.

/Supply and demand

At the risk of sounding callous... it is no longer my problem at that point and those countries are free to follow suit.

lilplatinum		2011-09-15 09:37:23 AM

I_C_Weener: America doesn't negotiate with terrorists who don't have a nuclear bomb.

Some terrorists with nuclear bombs become the leading recipients of our foreign aid, however.

I_C_Weener		2011-09-15 09:37:38 AM

Hey Mexicans Drug Cartels!! Fark.com is my anti-drug.

DON.MAC		2011-09-15 09:38:06 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: DON.MAC: America has another option:
[web.abnormal.com image 628x369]

/don't know how it would go down with 30 million American residents from Mexico.

What a strange color scheme.

You think it should be red, white and green?

Captain_Ballbeard		2011-09-15 09:38:17 AM

urban.derelict: ///alcohol makes you fat and stupid... that's why it's legal

It makes people into Republicans?

Jack Black 62		2011-09-15 09:38:19 AM

lilplatinum: I_C_Weener: America doesn't negotiate with terrorists who don't have a nuclear bomb.

Some terrorists with nuclear bombs become the leading recipients of our ~~foreign aid~~welfare checks, however.

FTFY

EvenBetterCool		2011-09-15 09:38:39 AM

I came in here to soak up some good ol' "this is inhuman bs and is disgusting" and am leaving with a lot of "legalize drugs and prostitution (and whatever else these people kill for) in the US and that will solve all of Mexico's problems and will be proper justice."

Leaving unhappy.

Laws don't make people inhuman shiatbags. These are murderers. How much money a year would it take for you to murder innocent citizens? At what point do you say "yeah, this is illegal, but the money is worth murdering and warring with people"? Starting to sound like an oil hungry government, and the same people who cry foul on that are saying "legalize it".

I guess the lesson here is that, if people are willing to go all inhuman murderer for something, just let em have it, bc I am sure they will be good, upstanding citizens after that.

The All-Powerful Atheismo		2011-09-15 09:39:40 AM

DON.MAC: The All-Powerful Atheismo: DON.MAC: America has another option:
[web.abnormal.com image 628x369]

/don't know how it would go down with 30 million American residents from Mexico.

What a strange color scheme.

You think it should be red, white and green?

That's not white; it's "bone."

lilplatinum		2011-09-15 09:41:38 AM

EvenBetterCool: Laws don't make people inhuman shiatbags.

No, human nature does that, but laws certainly perpetuate it. A lot of these gang thugs are naturally evil people, others are kids who are practically raised by gangs - and this is only possible because our creation of a huge black market makes these gangs rich and powerful.

Its like Somali pirates, everyone likes to say they do it because they are evil or muslim, but in reality when you are a little kid with little to no family in a poor 3rd world shiathole and some ballers start feeding you drugs and promises of wealth and power to become their muscle, you might grow up to be a farked up individual as well.

Leeds		2011-09-15 09:41:57 AM

Fail in Human Form: Iranoobie: Even if the US legalized and regulated all drugs and money moving south of the border stopped, the cartels would move their businesses to every other country where demand for illicit drugs exists.

/Supply and demand

At the risk of sounding callous... it is no longer my problem at that point and those countries are free to follow suit.

Exactly. Repeal the illegal/unconstitutional laws on our books and if the problem persists in other countries because of their laws then it would no longer be a problem that we created.

We can't overlook the fact that the constitution does not provide a mechanism to make ingesting something illegal. The one time the constitution did allow such a thing (prohibition) the constitution was CHANGED to allow it via an amendment. Of course that amendment was repealed leaving the US with no legal means to declare drugs illegal.

So the next time you see someone who's "pro-war on drugs" make sure you ask them why they hate America.

Captain_Ballbeard		2011-09-15 09:42:44 AM

EvenBetterCool: How much money a year would it take for you to murder innocent citizens?

Why, do you have something in mind? I could use a change of pace.

Sensitiveborderarea		2011-09-15 09:43:50 AM

lilplatinum: Sensitiveborderarea: Oh ... so you are one of those who think "red" states are parasites because they receive more fed money than they pay back because military people employed in those states really don't do any work and the blood they shed has no value.

It certainly isn't worth the cost it takes to traine a soldier, and then have to give them benefits their entire life. Surely there are enough high school dropouts with no discernable talents we can trick into dying for our financial interests without giving so much away.

Our financial interests? That's silly. It seems pretty obvious that they are fighting wars for Israel, to erase national sovereignties in countries too weak to resist our assistance, and to pave the way for the establishment of a global government.

Fail in Human Form		2011-09-15 09:43:56 AM

EvenBetterCool: I came in here to soak up some good ol' "this is inhuman bs and is disgusting" and am leaving with a lot of "legalize drugs and prostitution (and whatever else these people kill for) in the US and that will solve all of Mexico's problems and will be proper justice."

Leaving unhappy.

Laws don't make people inhuman shiatbags. These are murderers. How much money a year would it take for you to murder innocent citizens? At what point do you say "yeah, this is illegal, but the money is worth murdering and warring with people"? Starting to sound like an oil hungry government, and the same people who cry foul on that are saying "legalize it".

I guess the lesson here is that, if people are willing to go all inhuman murderer for something, just let em have it, bc I am sure they will be good, upstanding citizens after that.

It's the money. Some people are sociopaths that need help but we sadly can't fix the problem at that end right now. What we can do is disincentive these people by removing a large source of their funding so they can be dealt with more easily by their government. If you remove a source of funding of the cartels then the Mexican government might be able to make life better for their citizens and we can do the same for ours.

Trik		2011-09-15 09:44:25 AM

people in drug cartels are do do heads

Jack Black 62		2011-09-15 09:44:33 AM

Leeds: Fail in Human Form: Iranoobie: Even if the US legalized and regulated all drugs and money moving south of the border stopped, the cartels would move their businesses to every other country where demand for illicit drugs exists.

/Supply and demand

At the risk of sounding callous... it is no longer my problem at that point and those countries are free to follow suit.

Exactly. Repeal the illegal/unconstitutional laws on our books and if the problem persists in other countries because of their laws then it would no longer be a problem that we created.

We can't overlook the fact that the constitution does not provide a mechanism to make ingesting something illegal. The one time the constitution did allow such a thing (prohibition) the constitution was CHANGED to allow it via an amendment. Of course that amendment was repealed leaving the US with no legal means to declare drugs illegal.

So the next time you see someone who's "pro-war on drugs" make sure you ask them why they hate America.

The government does not care about amendments . They violate it all the time and don't give a damn. After all, it is only a god-damned piece of paper.

lilplatinum		2011-09-15 09:44:45 AM

Sensitiveborderarea: Our financial interests? That's silly. It seems pretty obvious that they are fighting wars for Israel, to erase national sovereignties in countries too weak to resist our assistance, and to pave the way for the establishment of a global government.

Whatever they are doing, we too much for it.

DON.MAC		2011-09-15 09:45:04 AM

EvenBetterCool: How much money a year would it take for you to murder innocent citizens?

My local state spends about $20 million for each one it knocks off but could reduce that to $10 mil if they fixed their road safety program but that would put 450 people out of work. So we keep killing somewhere between 30 and 100 people a year just for the money and a few jobs. My families share of that blood money is about $10 per soul.

So I guess the answer is about $10.

lilplatinum		2011-09-15 09:45:21 AM

lilplatinum: Whatever they are doing, we too much for it.

pay too much for it that is...

DON.MAC		2011-09-15 09:46:49 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: That's not white; it's "bone."

I'm not stopping anyone from photoshopping that with the right colors or colours.

The All-Powerful Atheismo		2011-09-15 09:46:51 AM

lilplatinum: lilplatinum: Whatever they are doing, we too much for it.

pay too much for it that is...

the whole thing.

Confabulat		2011-09-15 09:48:06 AM

EvenBetterCool: Laws don't make people inhuman shiatbags. These are murderers. How much money a year would it take for you to murder innocent citizens? At what point do you say "yeah, this is illegal, but the money is worth murdering and warring with people"?

i54.tinypic.com

Barnstormer		2011-09-15 09:48:37 AM

That's why all my alts have usernames picked out of the Juarez phonebook.

jaybeezey		2011-09-15 09:48:47 AM

Confabulat: jaybeezey: You know, the other way to stop all of the violence on the border is to stop being selfish and get off of the marijuana cigarettes and cocaine powders.

Hahaha I'd kill a thousand Mexicans before you get the bong out my hands, dumbass.

That seems to be the general consensus of american smokers of the completely non-habit forming marijuana grass weed. I think they should make it illegal to sell, but legal to own and grow. I just like the idea of spreading the love of horticulture.

Sensitiveborderarea		2011-09-15 09:48:53 AM

lilplatinum: Sensitiveborderarea: Our financial interests? That's silly. It seems pretty obvious that they are fighting wars for Israel, to erase national sovereignties in countries too weak to resist our assistance, and to pave the way for the establishment of a global government.

Whatever they are doing, we too much for it.

If you can make a sentence the right way, I might start agreeing with you about something.

ongbok		2011-09-15 09:49:18 AM

jso2897: xanadian: violentsalvation: As I fought my addiction I learned that the problems with drugs are not really the drugs themselves, the problem is with the prohibition. We created the problem.

It's one of the things (probably the only thing) I agree with Ron Paul on. Legalize that shiat.

/RON PAUL

Troble is, it's too late. The cartels exist, now.
We learned this the hard way from Prohibition. It turned the Mafia from a few "moustache Petes" terrorising Brooklyn and Cicero into a powerful crime cartel.
But when we got rid of Prohibition, the Mafia didn't go away. It is only now dying off from old age and lack of interest on the part of the new generation.
They just moved into other things - including racketeering and takeovers of legitimate businesses. The Mexican cartels will do the same if we legalize drugs.
At this point, Mexico is going to be dealing with them for another generation or two, no matter what anybody does. And on some level, we are going to have to deal with them too - it isn't like they are too religious about staying on their side of the border.
It's a bad situation, and there is no simple solution. You can't always fix things by just stopping what you did to cause them.

This is so true.
At this point legalization is going to do nothing to stop the violence, it may just ramp it up a bit. The cartels may just go on a string of violence against elected officials just to scare them away from legalization. Also if drugs are legalized competition in their their revenue streams like prostitution, extortion, human trafficking, and racketeering will keep a good amount of the violence going. Another thing is that once drugs are legalized the cartels will still be in control of a lot of the manufacture of drugs, and just because they are now legal doesn't mean that the violence to control the market will stop. Also all of those "nice" American grow operations in the US will now be muscled out by cartel backed corporations using violence.

Legalization isn't a magic bullet that will end the violence because the cartels aren't just going to say damn and go home.

ignatiusst		2011-09-15 09:49:46 AM

violentsalvation: Our policies did this.

Our policies led to a woman being disembowled and hung from a bridge?

Fail in Human Form		2011-09-15 09:50:13 AM

jaybeezey: I think they should make it illegal to sell

Why?

Iranoobie		2011-09-15 09:50:27 AM

CheatCommando		2011-09-15 09:51:07 AM

angrygrizzly:

did I miss anything?

An original thought.

battery1979		2011-09-15 09:51:23 AM

People_are_Idiots: TimeWaste: Mexico's only hope:

[mydisguises.com image 479x383]

Typical Drug Lord:

[www.johnnygoodtimes.com image 459x312]

I don't have a car, I have a little mule.

Befuddled		2011-09-15 09:52:02 AM

I would think we'd be far more worried about the failed state on our southern border than a failed state that is landlocked in Asia.

Confabulat		2011-09-15 09:52:51 AM

jaybeezey: I just like the idea of spreading the love of horticulture.

I have a vegetable garden too you know. My purple carrot seeds should be here today!

Fail in Human Form		2011-09-15 09:52:59 AM

pxlboy		2011-09-15 09:55:36 AM

harbingerofdoom		2011-09-15 09:55:45 AM

ongbok		2011-09-15 09:56:10 AM

urban.derelict: Another Pretentious Nickname: The debate about legalized cocaine is more difficult (for me at least) than the marijuana debate.

What do you have against cocaine? Have you ever used it? I have, it's great. It doesn't turn you into a fat stumbling belligerent moron the way alcohol too often does.

But it does turn you into a sweaty, musty, loud mouthed asshole. Take your pick.

Amos Quito		2011-09-15 09:56:35 AM

Confabulat: LL316: So history is racist?

When you ascribe the motives of current individuals to their perceived stereotypical ancestors' cartoon version of their culture, damn right it's racist.

Go tell a black co-worker when he is upset with you that you understand, he's from a violent hostile culture, but you can respect that.

Go on. Tell him.

Yeah, then watch him get all violent and hostile on you.

Watch.

Tatsuhiko		2011-09-15 09:58:45 AM

Funny, ha ha, or funny, uh oh?

I_C_Weener		2011-09-15 10:00:49 AM

Befuddled: I would think we'd be far more worried about the failed state on our southern border than a failed state that is landlocked in Asia.

California is on our Western border.

Sensitiveborderarea		2011-09-15 10:01:32 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Sensitiveborderarea: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Sensitiveborderarea: #7 California has some of the worst public schools in the nation. In the late 70s, California was number one in per-pupil spending on education, but now the state has fallen to 48th place.

Seems like we gained on that deal, since we are NOT 48th place in actual student performance; rather we are somewhere in the 30s.

The rest of your link is equally as full of shiat, just like you.

I stand corrected. Please allow me to congratulate you and your state for going from number one to only number 37.

Wow you didn't understand my comment. big surprise there.

Go away. You add nothing of substance to this discussion but crap. In that way you mirror your mother, who added nothing of substance to the world when she had you.

I understand you and your comments plenty. You are a well indoctrinated liberal with a shortage of logic and reason. You use childish insults in an attempt to cover for your deficiencies.

AngryJailhouseFistfark		2011-09-15 10:01:54 AM

I'll tell you what this is. This is reefer madness, is what.

Reefer madness.

battery1979		2011-09-15 10:03:33 AM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: I'll tell you what this is. This is reefer madness, is what.

Reefer madness.

Madness? This...is.... SPARTA!

jabelar		2011-09-15 10:03:35 AM

doglover: violentsalvation: Our policies did this.

Um, first off: no. You're wrong. We didn't do this.

Assholes did this.

Actually, responsibility means that you understand the expected outcome of your actions. Therefore, our policies did it. We are responsible because we know this is the natural result.

Anything prohibited (heck even shark fin soup) immediately makes bad guys rich. And we know the proclivities of the Mexican cartels.

So basically it is a type of negligence if you do something despite knowing a bad outcome will result. If you let a kid wander in a street, you're responsible, not the driver that hits them. If you put a priceless vase in a precarious place, you're responsible, not the person who knocks it off.

The only thing different about these cartels versus the other ruthless gangs you mention is the public displays. There are plenty of gang killings, kidnappings and tortures in US too. The display of violence seems to be a mark of the cartels, but the actual violence isn't all that different. Keep in mind the poverty too -- poorest black gang-banger in US doesn't grow up in the misery that he average poor Mexican does.

Anyway, we can stop this any time we want. Just cut off the profit. But we don't want to, apparently, because it looks morally weak to let people take drugs.

I_C_Weener		2011-09-15 10:04:25 AM

You know who else liked to hang bodies from bridges? That's right, the KKK. So, those of you who want to acquiesce to the Mexican drug cartels are just like KKK supporters. And bungee jumping enthusiasts. Think about that druggies.

AcneVulgaris		2011-09-15 10:04:29 AM

Thunderpipes: And liberals want open borders for these thugs....

Thugs don't care whether the border is open or closed.

Xlr8urfark		2011-09-15 10:04:44 AM

Befuddled: I would think we'd be far more worried about the failed state on our southern border than a failed state that is landlocked in Asia.

Yeah, but we don't have a giant pipeline to protect in Mexico.

ongbok		2011-09-15 10:05:34 AM

Fail in Human Form: If it was legal tomorrow all the ills of the world would not be solved but they would be forced to compete on the open market and their profit margin would fall through the floor. The only reason it's such a massive revenue source is due to its illegality.

Get the fark out of here. Do you think that the cartels are suddenly going to become businessmen and won't resort to violence to force out the competition and keep their profit margins from falling? Even if it was legalized they will still stick to their business plan of "Kill everybody from b,c and d cartel. Take over their business. Profit". That is how they operate and what they know and making drugs legal aren't going to stop them from doing that.

Wicked Chinchilla		2011-09-15 10:07:21 AM

ongbok: jso2897: xanadian: violentsalvation: As I fought my addiction I learned that the problems with drugs are not really the drugs themselves, the problem is with the prohibition. We created the problem.

It's one of the things (probably the only thing) I agree with Ron Paul on. Legalize that shiat.

/RON PAUL

Troble is, it's too late. The cartels exist, now.
We learned this the hard way from Prohibition. It turned the Mafia from a few "moustache Petes" terrorising Brooklyn and Cicero into a powerful crime cartel.
But when we got rid of Prohibition, the Mafia didn't go away. It is only now dying off from old age and lack of interest on the part of the new generation.
They just moved into other things - including racketeering and takeovers of legitimate businesses. The Mexican cartels will do the same if we legalize drugs.
At this point, Mexico is going to be dealing with them for another generation or two, no matter what anybody does. And on some level, we are going to have to deal with them too - it isn't like they are too religious about staying on their side of the border.
It's a bad situation, and there is no simple solution. You can't always fix things by just stopping what you did to cause them.

This is so true.
At this point legalization is going to do nothing to stop the violence, it may just ramp it up a bit. The cartels may just go on a string of violence against elected officials just to scare them away from legalization. Also if drugs are legalized competition in their their revenue streams like prostitution, extortion, human trafficking, and racketeering will keep a good amount of the violence going. Another thing is that once drugs are legalized the cartels will still be in control of a lot of the manufacture of drugs, and just because they are now legal doesn't mean that the violence to control the market will stop. Also all of those "nice" American grow operations in the US will now be muscled out by cartel backed corporations using violence.

Legalization isn't a magic bullet that will end the violence because the cartels aren't just going to say damn and go home.

You are right, its not a panacea that will result in the instant resolution of drug violence. For one Mexico would have to mirror our legalization with their own or the conflict would still exist. Another reason is that legalization isn't an "instant" measure at all. What it would do is bring the drug trade out of the shadows. The costs of importation into the US would plummet so drug prices would also drop. They also wouldn't need to expend lots of capital on protection from other gangs, bribery of law and order types, etc because there would now be legal ways to resolve business disputes.

Again, none of this would be instantaneous because the cartels would have to see for themselves that behaving legally is more profitable or easier to do than behaving illegally. After all, they have all this illegal network set up and working (very well too) so why would they even convert it? Well, if you behave legally you no longer expend overhead on "attempting" to get things in the country, you fill out your customs forms and voila, its in the country. No more process loss. Plus, if someone picks off one of your guys you call the cops and they arrest your competitor. There are LOTS of incentives for them to behave legally if it were possible to do so. It would take time, but they would convert.

I also see your point about global drug violence not being affected by our policies. Thats correct. But we would no longer be fostering a de-facto civil war in our neighbor. They would no longer be fostering a massive sub-economy in our country. Everyone else, well, thats there problem. Not being able to solve the world's problem is no reason to not attempt to solve our regional problem.

It might suck to have to deal with the viscious animals in charge of these things who authorize all of the heinous acts but guess what? We can't win this war. The drug trade now is stronger, slicker, and better supplied than when we first started 20+ years ago. The war is over, we lost. The faster we get over our sense of honor and start dealing with reality the more lives we can actually save. National Pride shouldn't be more important than actual physical people.

mod3072		2011-09-15 10:08:31 AM

violentsalvation: So, they more or less control the media now and police chiefs, mayors and governors are short lived. How much longer until Mexico is officially considered a failed state? How much longer do we perpetuate this f*cked up, freedom infringing drug war at their expense? Vote for change assholes, or at least, moon a cop.

Hmmm... A small group of wealthy and influential individuals that control a nation's media and politicians through a combination of bribes and intimidation. Sounds vaguely familiar for some reason...

Fail in Human Form		2011-09-15 10:09:18 AM

Riotboy		2011-09-15 10:10:58 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: urban.derelict: ///alcohol makes you fat and stupid... that's why it's legal

It makes people into Republicans?

Good one.

Wicked Chinchilla		2011-09-15 10:11:58 AM

ongbok: Fail in Human Form: If it was legal tomorrow all the ills of the world would not be solved but they would be forced to compete on the open market and their profit margin would fall through the floor. The only reason it's such a massive revenue source is due to its illegality.

Get the fark out of here. Do you think that the cartels are suddenly going to become businessmen and won't resort to violence to force out the competition and keep their profit margins from falling? Even if it was legalized they will still stick to their business plan of "Kill everybody from b,c and d cartel. Take over their business. Profit". That is how they operate and what they know and making drugs legal aren't going to stop them from doing that.

If it was open they wouldn't have to. Your average poor foot soldier might be cheap as dirt but the product your pushing, guns your using, and ammo your firing add up. If the business was open a quick call to local law enforcement and you put all of the heat on your competitor without having to lift a finger. Its a cheaper and much more efficient way of dealing with your enemies. If it was cheaper to just kill your competition then smart phone competitors would be blowing up each others stores like popcorn.

Carousel Beast		2011-09-15 10:12:12 AM

violentsalvation: Weaver95: f*ck the drug cartels.

yah, you heard me - f*ck you guys. wanna come find me? you're welcome to come crawling around redneck white bread country where you're outgunned 6:1 and everyone will report you for being an illegal immigrant.

once more - f*ck you guys! f*ck you guys in the ear! what ya gonna do about it now big boys? huh? gonna come get me?

wimps.

Ugh, more balls than me. They are too close to me. I don't even blame the cartels, sure some of their members should be on death row. But this is on us. Our policies did this.

Ah, blame America. Yes, you're right, it's my fault that a Mexican gangbanger murdered and strung up the corpses of those poor people. He had no choice in the matter at all.

/BTW, fark you, asshole.

trappedspirit		2011-09-15 10:12:54 AM

Guess_Who		2011-09-15 10:13:55 AM

GAT_00: Weaver95: f*ck the drug cartels.

yah, you heard me - f*ck you guys. wanna come find me? you're welcome to come crawling around redneck white bread country where you're outgunned 6:1 and everyone will report you for being an illegal immigrant.

once more - f*ck you guys! f*ck you guys in the ear! what ya gonna do about it now big boys? huh? gonna come get me?

wimps.

I totally read that with you as Cartman.

I read that with him as Morgan Freeman, wasn't funny at all. Stirring though.

I_C_Weener		2011-09-15 10:14:32 AM

If President Obama decided that he would hunt down the leaders of the worst drug cartels with Predator drones, and surgical strikes by commandos, just as he did with al Queada, would he be hailed as a hero or villain?

fireclown		2011-09-15 10:14:32 AM

proximo: Border patrol lady informed me I beat the odds.

A similar story had me drinking with one of our sales reps in Motamoros. We got pulled over by the feds. Louis told me to shut up, sit still and try to not look white. He grabbed an envelope with what I assume was cash from the glove box and sorted things out with the nice officer.

I've gotten the "beat the odds" speech too, but about the federalis. Oddly, I never felt too unsafe in Motomoros, even though looking back I probably should have.

gilatrout		2011-09-15 10:15:06 AM

I_C_Weener		2011-09-15 10:15:27 AM

trappedspirit: doglover: Assholes did this. Killing each other is farkin' Mexico's traditional past time and religion. It's been that way since before America had any white people. This kind of war is their farkin' culture. It has nothing to do with the US.

Yeah, were just a peaceful bunch LOL

In much of Mexico it is a cross between the Old West and Somalia. Pretty sure that outside of Detroit, the US is not anywhere close to that.

fireclown		2011-09-15 10:15:36 AM

battery1979: Madness? This...is.... SPARTA!

I find myself wondering what Reefer Sparta would be like.

Guess_Who		2011-09-15 10:16:46 AM

I_C_Weener: Befuddled: I would think we'd be far more worried about the failed state on our southern border than a failed state that is landlocked in Asia.

California is on our Western border.

Bravo.

trappedspirit		2011-09-15 10:17:07 AM

Harry Freakstorm: The rules seem to be slightly different down there.

[www.baronbarclay.com image 640x746]

And then Mexico played two aces and got hung up.

W.
T.
F.

fireclown		2011-09-15 10:18:26 AM

Guess_Who: yah, you heard me - f*ck you guys. wanna come find me? you're welcome to come crawling around redneck white bread country where you're outgunned 6:1 and everyone will report you for being an illegal immigrant.

once more - f*ck you guys! f*ck you guys in the ear! what ya gonna do about it now big boys? huh? gonna come get me?

wimps.

I totally read that with you as Cartman.

I read that with him as Morgan Freeman, wasn't funny at all. Stirring though.

Crazy. I read it in the voice of Fred Schneider, of B52s fame. And it rocked.

FiatJustitia		2011-09-15 10:22:37 AM

fireclown: proximo: Border patrol lady informed me I beat the odds.

A similar story had me drinking with one of our sales reps in Motamoros. We got pulled over by the feds. Louis told me to shut up, sit still and try to not look white. He grabbed an envelope with what I assume was cash from the glove box and sorted things out with the nice officer.

I've gotten the "beat the odds" speech too, but about the federalis. Oddly, I never felt too unsafe in Motomoros, even though looking back I probably should have.

probably.

"There are two ways of thinking about living here; either you go on every day and when it's your turn to die you die, or you live every day in fear." - Daniel Gonzalez, 26, a resident of Ciudad Juarez who later moved to El Paso, Texas.

That statement applies to the border cities on the Matamoros side of the country. It's not getting any better, and it won't be for a long time. I'm sort of surprised they haven't hit up Monterrey, but it might as well be heading there. Nothing like that's happened in Matamoros, but it's probably going to happen soon. We have the bridges set up for it, after all.

/born and raised there

This text is now purple		2011-09-15 10:26:27 AM

ongbok		2011-09-15 10:26:59 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: ongbok: Fail in Human Form: If it was legal tomorrow all the ills of the world would not be solved but they would be forced to compete on the open market and their profit margin would fall through the floor. The only reason it's such a massive revenue source is due to its illegality.

Get the fark out of here. Do you think that the cartels are suddenly going to become businessmen and won't resort to violence to force out the competition and keep their profit margins from falling? Even if it was legalized they will still stick to their business plan of "Kill everybody from b,c and d cartel. Take over their business. Profit". That is how they operate and what they know and making drugs legal aren't going to stop them from doing that.

If it was open they wouldn't have to. Your average poor foot soldier might be cheap as dirt but the product your pushing, guns your using, and ammo your firing add up. If the business was open a quick call to local law enforcement and you put all of the heat on your competitor without having to lift a finger. Its a cheaper and much more efficient way of dealing with your enemies. If it was cheaper to just kill your competition then smart phone competitors would be blowing up each others stores like popcorn.

The thing is you are dealing with criminals that have no problem with killing people, not Steve Jobs. When the Mob moved into taking over legit businesses did they call the police when another family was muscling in on their business? No, they handled it like they did when they were running illegal businesses. Plus the cartels aren't afraid of local law enforcement in Mexico now what makes you think that after legalization it would be any different?

Fail in Human Form: Do you think the mexican cartels are going to invade the United States and overthrow the entire government?

I wasn't talking about the United States. Even if drugs were legal in the U.S the Mexicans would still have to legalize it. Some of the cartels may be afraid of change and decide to try to discourage it their by upping the violence against Mexican officials to encourage them to keep the status quo. And as you can already see Mexico does have a problem keeping it's officials safe from the cartels.

The_Terminator		2011-09-15 10:28:37 AM

fireclown		2011-09-15 10:33:35 AM

FiatJustitia: /born and raised there

IF CA were to decriminalize the demon weed, do you think it would be possible to arrange legitimate shipment of weed to San Diego? One of the lines from The Wire that really hit me was that every other damned thing in the world gets bought and sold without people getting killed.

Kirk's_Toupee		2011-09-15 10:37:34 AM

jaybeezey: Confabulat: violentsalvation: I never tried weed, for a time I was very against drugs and saw them as a curse on our society. I got injured once and fell in love with opiates, I eventually became addicted to heroin without ever trying the so called "gateway drug". As I fought my addiction I learned that the problems with drugs are not really the drugs themselves, the problem is with the prohibition. We created the problem.

And that is one of the reasons I advocate legalization of all drugs, the other being, drug use is nobody's business, and certainly not the government's business.

Can't argue with a word on that.

Drugs were here before us. There's a reason flowers smell good to bees.

So let me get this straight, you are ok with perpetuating violence against innocent people because you like to get high. Check.

You know, the other way to stop all of the violence on the border is to stop being selfish and get off of the marijuana cigarettes and cocaine powders.

Interesting side note from a friend of mine from Zaragosa, when they can, the Zetas also run the tobacco and liquor trades in local areas. They are expanding.

Good luck getting everyone to change their habits. That's right, you can't. So instead of opening up the drug market for more legal competition against big pharma, we should continue this failure called the war on drugs.
stop telling people how to live their lives.

The All-Powerful Atheismo		2011-09-15 10:39:08 AM

Sensitiveborderarea: some bullshiat

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fireclown		2011-09-15 10:39:49 AM

Kirk's_Toupee: That's right, you can't

Nonsense. How many americans smoke cigarettes? How many smoked in 1975?

OnlyM3		2011-09-15 10:40:37 AM

Thunderpipes:

And liberals want open borders for these thugs..

Yes, they do.
i40.tinypic.com

The All-Powerful Atheismo		2011-09-15 10:44:41 AM

fireclown: How many smoked in 1975?

At least 8, probably more (new window)

stonytokes		2011-09-15 10:46:59 AM

xanadian: My father used to work on the border up here. Apparently, next to potatoes and broccoli, marijuana was the #3 cash crop in Aroostook County.

No lie.

media.pressherald.com

kbronsito		2011-09-15 10:47:37 AM

They were signed "Z," a possible reference for the Zetas cartel, which operates in the area.

have they interrogated Don Diego de la Vega????

BigTexas		2011-09-15 10:48:20 AM

fireclown: Kirk's_Toupee: That's right, you can't

Nonsense. How many americans smoke cigarettes? How many smoked in 1975?

How many people drank alcohol in 1975? How many do now? How many kids under 18 have tried marijuana in 1975? Now?

Hot Carl To Go		2011-09-15 10:49:16 AM

urban.derelict: What do you have against cocaine? Have you ever used it? I have, it's great. It doesn't turn you into a fat stumbling belligerent moron the way alcohol too often does.

It's pretty awesome when you bake it down until it crystallizes (just throw in some baking soda or something). shiat sells itself- had a guy offer me some cheeseburgers for a little bit.

crazytrpr		2011-09-15 10:49:40 AM

Fail in Human Form: ongbok: jso2897: xanadian: violentsalvation: As I fought my addiction I learned that the problems with drugs are not really the drugs themselves, the problem is with the prohibition. We created the problem.

It's one of the things (probably the only thing) I agree with Ron Paul on. Legalize that shiat.

/RON PAUL

Troble is, it's too late. The cartels exist, now.
We learned this the hard way from Prohibition. It turned the Mafia from a few "moustache Petes" terrorising Brooklyn and Cicero into a powerful crime cartel.
But when we got rid of Prohibition, the Mafia didn't go away. It is only now dying off from old age and lack of interest on the part of the new generation.
They just moved into other things - including racketeering and takeovers of legitimate businesses. The Mexican cartels will do the same if we legalize drugs.
At this point, Mexico is going to be dealing with them for another generation or two, no matter what anybody does. And on some level, we are going to have to deal with them too - it isn't like they are too religious about staying on their side of the border.
It's a bad situation, and there is no simple solution. You can't always fix things by just stopping what you did to cause them.

This is so true.
At this point legalization is going to do nothing to stop the violence, it may just ramp it up a bit. The cartels may just go on a string of violence against elected officials just to scare them away from legalization. Also if drugs are legalized competition in their their revenue streams like prostitution, extortion, human trafficking, and racketeering will keep a good amount of the violence going. Another thing is that once drugs are legalized the cartels will still be in control of a lot of the manufacture of drugs, and just because they are now legal doesn't mean that the violence to control the market will stop. Also all of those "nice" American grow operations in the US will now be muscled out by cartel backed corporations using violence.

Legalization isn't a magic bullet that will end the violence because the cartels aren't just going to say damn and go home.

If it was legal tomorrow all the ills of the world would not be solved but they would be forced to compete on the open market and their profit margin would fall through the floor. The only reason it's such a massive revenue source is due to its illegality.

These guy kill their competition, dead beats who don't pay up and anyone else that gets in their way or cause legal problems for them. If they can't buy or elect the politicians and police yeah they kill them too. So go ahead call the cops or try to sue the cartels.

And if you aren;t already noticing they are moving into other business too both legal and illegal.

OldManDownDRoad		2011-09-15 10:51:37 AM

Fail in Human Form:
Do you think the mexican cartels are going to invade the United States and overthrow the entire government?

Aw, that's entirely too much trouble.

They'll just use the time-tested and -proven method of Shell Oil, Microsoft, et. al. - buy off members of both parties at all levels of the gov't and then pretty much do as they please.

Casey Anthony		2011-09-15 10:52:38 AM

FourBlackBars: Hey stoney,

I know you know the weed you smoke is 100% blogger with her guts hanging out strung up from a bridge free but I am less convinced.

...but but but we could make rope out of hemp and that guy down the road has cancer.

files.sharenator.com

I thought we were supposed to stop posting funny things.

canyoneer		2011-09-15 10:53:39 AM

Marcus Aurelius: The Monroe Doctrine, how does that work?

Wrong.

The encomienda (Spanish pronunciation: [eŋkoˈmjenda]) was a system that was employed mainly by the Spanish crown during the colonization of the Americas to regulate Native American labor.

In the encomienda, the crown granted a person a specified number of natives for whom they were to take responsibility. In theory, the receiver of the grant was to protect the natives from warring tribes and to instruct them in the Spanish language and in the Catholic faith: in return they could extract tribute from the natives in the form of labor, gold or other products.[1] In practice, the difference between encomienda and slavery could be minimal.[1] Natives were forced to do hard labor and subjected to extreme punishment and death if they resisted.[1] (new window)

The U.S. didn't create these problems, the Spanish did.

ongbok		2011-09-15 10:58:06 AM

crazytrpr: These guy kill their competition, dead beats who don't pay up and anyone else that gets in their way or cause legal problems for them. If they can't buy or elect the politicians and police yeah they kill them too. So go ahead call the cops or try to sue the cartels.

And if you aren;t already noticing they are moving into other business too both legal and illegal.

Oh no. If drugs were legal these guys would suddenly decide that since there is a legal way to resolve their disputes they would completely abandon what they know and what worked for them for decades. They would also decide because now drugs are legal and the profit margin is lower they will take their ball and go home, leaving the trade to legitimate businessmen and would not fight or do anything to keep their profit margin at a level that they are comfortable with. Don't you know this silly?

Fail in Human Form		2011-09-15 11:01:11 AM

ongbok: Oh no. If drugs were legal these guys would suddenly decide that since there is a legal way to resolve their disputes they would completely abandon what they know and what worked for them for decades.

Maybe they'd by ad time during the super bowl like the old bootleggers do now.

HyperX		2011-09-15 11:04:15 AM

Pics of topless chick with guts hanging out or it didn't happen.

Hale-Bopp		2011-09-15 11:07:48 AM

cman: For that little bit of Mexican weed you have, this is what the end result is. Sorry to ruin your high, bro

1/10

Try harder.

BigTexas		2011-09-15 11:07:55 AM

ongbok: crazytrpr: These guy kill their competition, dead beats who don't pay up and anyone else that gets in their way or cause legal problems for them. If they can't buy or elect the politicians and police yeah they kill them too. So go ahead call the cops or try to sue the cartels.

And if you aren;t already noticing they are moving into other business too both legal and illegal.

Oh no. If drugs were legal these guys would suddenly decide that since there is a legal way to resolve their disputes they would completely abandon what they know and what worked for them for decades. They would also decide because now drugs are legal and the profit margin is lower they will take their ball and go home, leaving the trade to legitimate businessmen and would not fight or do anything to keep their profit margin at a level that they are comfortable with. Don't you know this silly?

No, if drugs were suddly legal the bottom would fall out of most of their money machine. When their current customer walks away from them or will barely pay them anything what will they do? Send thugs here telling us we will continue to pay high prices?

ongbok		2011-09-15 11:20:31 AM

BigTexas: ongbok: crazytrpr: These guy kill their competition, dead beats who don't pay up and anyone else that gets in their way or cause legal problems for them. If they can't buy or elect the politicians and police yeah they kill them too. So go ahead call the cops or try to sue the cartels.

And if you aren;t already noticing they are moving into other business too both legal and illegal.

Oh no. If drugs were legal these guys would suddenly decide that since there is a legal way to resolve their disputes they would completely abandon what they know and what worked for them for decades. They would also decide because now drugs are legal and the profit margin is lower they will take their ball and go home, leaving the trade to legitimate businessmen and would not fight or do anything to keep their profit margin at a level that they are comfortable with. Don't you know this silly?

No, if drugs were suddly legal the bottom would fall out of most of their money machine. When their current customer walks away from them or will barely pay them anything what will they do? Send thugs here telling us we will continue to pay high prices?

No. Like I explained before. Huge drug war in Mexico to be the main supplier. When there are only two or three suppliers left standing and they decided they have had enough fighting they will be able to make agreements to control the supply to the U.S and therefore control the price of drugs in the U.S. Legalizing drugs is not going to stop the violence in Mexico anytime soon.

sandi_fish		2011-09-15 11:21:38 AM

H31N0US		2011-09-15 11:21:44 AM

canyoneer: The U.S. didn't create these problems, the Spanish did.

Hey look, we agree on something.

The poor Philippines got doubly screwed: they had to report THROUGH Mexico City to Lisbon. Imagine being subordinate to Mexico in a bureaucratic chain. Lapu Lapu didn't kill enough of them.

And to think they could have been a state. Not the perfect scenario, but much better than where they are now.

/likes the Phils
//not a pedophile
///it is just a beautiful place

Lettuce Pray		2011-09-15 11:22:08 AM

Casey Anthony		2011-09-15 11:22:19 AM

cman: For that little bit of Mexican weed you have, this is what the end result is. Sorry to ruin your high, bro

who the hell smokes weed from Mexico?

CygnusDarius		2011-09-15 11:22:42 AM

"This is going to happen to all of those posting funny things on the Internet," one sign said. "You better (expletive) pay attention. I'm about to get you."

Fark you. I've taken enough photos of the core corruption in Hermosillo, I've seen how the cartels are creeping into the town. And I will not give in.

I'll die with my camera on my hands, if needed be.

LL316		2011-09-15 11:30:09 AM

Fail in Human Form: ongbok: jso2897: xanadian: violentsalvation:
Legalization isn't a magic bullet that will end the violence because the cartels aren't just going to say damn and go home.

If it was legal tomorrow all the ills of the world would not be solved but they would be forced to compete on the open market and their profit margin would fall through the floor. The only reason it's such a massive revenue source is due to its illegality.

Are you actually suggesting that the legalization of cocaine is a possibility?

Weaver95		2011-09-15 11:30:44 AM

reports of my demise are greatly exaggerated.

vsavatar		2011-09-15 11:31:29 AM

Weaver95: f*ck the drug cartels.

yah, you heard me - f*ck you guys. wanna come find me? you're welcome to come crawling around redneck white bread country where you're outgunned 6:1 and everyone will report you for being an illegal immigrant.

once more - f*ck you guys! f*ck you guys in the ear! what ya gonna do about it now big boys? huh? gonna come get me?

wimps.

Well you definitely have some balls man. I'll give you that. Sticking your nose in something that's really none of your concern, with the full knowledge that the arm of most of the Mexican drug cartels stretches from New York to LA and beyond, and that they hire Americans to do a lot of the dirty work in America, has got to be the bravest thing you've ever done. Keep sticking it to them Weaver. Make sure that you die with honor and defiance. The last thing you want is them posting a video of you begging for your life on the internet. That's not the kind of legacy you want to leave.

Fail in Human Form		2011-09-15 11:34:10 AM

LL316: Fail in Human Form: ongbok: jso2897: xanadian: violentsalvation:
Legalization isn't a magic bullet that will end the violence because the cartels aren't just going to say damn and go home.

If it was legal tomorrow all the ills of the world would not be solved but they would be forced to compete on the open market and their profit margin would fall through the floor. The only reason it's such a massive revenue source is due to its illegality.

Are you actually suggesting that the legalization of cocaine is a possibility?

I was speaking of cannabis but I feel all personal drug use should be treated as a public health issue.

Weaver95		2011-09-15 11:35:54 AM

vsavatar: Weaver95: f*ck the drug cartels.

yah, you heard me - f*ck you guys. wanna come find me? you're welcome to come crawling around redneck white bread country where you're outgunned 6:1 and everyone will report you for being an illegal immigrant.

once more - f*ck you guys! f*ck you guys in the ear! what ya gonna do about it now big boys? huh? gonna come get me?

wimps.

Well you definitely have some balls man. I'll give you that. Sticking your nose in something that's really none of your concern, with the full knowledge that the arm of most of the Mexican drug cartels stretches from New York to LA and beyond, and that they hire Americans to do a lot of the dirty work in America, has got to be the bravest thing you've ever done. Keep sticking it to them Weaver. Make sure that you die with honor and defiance. The last thing you want is them posting a video of you begging for your life on the internet. That's not the kind of legacy you want to leave.

nah, nobody pays any attention to me.

fireclown		2011-09-15 11:36:04 AM

Fail in Human Form: I was speaking of cannabis but I feel all personal drug use should be treated as a public health issue.

I'm not so sure about everything. My general test is whether a reasonable person can keep their shiat together on a given drug. In my experience, most people can handle their weed, but not everyone can handle coke, and just about nobody handles meth gracefully.

BigTexas		2011-09-15 11:36:41 AM

ongbok: BigTexas: ongbok: crazytrpr: These guy kill their competition, dead beats who don't pay up and anyone else that gets in their way or cause legal problems for them. If they can't buy or elect the politicians and police yeah they kill them too. So go ahead call the cops or try to sue the cartels.

And if you aren;t already noticing they are moving into other business too both legal and illegal.

Oh no. If drugs were legal these guys would suddenly decide that since there is a legal way to resolve their disputes they would completely abandon what they know and what worked for them for decades. They would also decide because now drugs are legal and the profit margin is lower they will take their ball and go home, leaving the trade to legitimate businessmen and would not fight or do anything to keep their profit margin at a level that they are comfortable with. Don't you know this silly?

No, if drugs were suddly legal the bottom would fall out of most of their money machine. When their current customer walks away from them or will barely pay them anything what will they do? Send thugs here telling us we will continue to pay high prices?

No. Like I explained before. Huge drug war in Mexico to be the main supplier. When there are only two or three suppliers left standing and they decided they have had enough fighting they will be able to make agreements to control the supply to the U.S and therefore control the price of drugs in the U.S. Legalizing drugs is not going to stop the violence in Mexico anytime soon.

If it were legalized tomorrow the fighting would not stop the same day. They would however have a financial crisis. Currently they can pay off and kill people because they have so much money that it is possible. Reduce all of their profit margin by half. Now how much can they afford to pay to the politicians? Police? Its when they stop having they money to pay off everyone. How are big companies in the USA like "Big Pharma" and "Big Oil" able to do what they do? Because they have so much expendable cash to throw at people.

Let me put it a different way. Do you think the deaths in Mexico are about money? That all of the underlying reasons go back to money and protecting their money? If you do then this is a way to attack the root cause of the violence.

ShadyEffinSparrow		2011-09-15 11:36:58 AM

GAT_00: Weaver95: f*ck the drug cartels.

yah, you heard me - f*ck you guys. wanna come find me? you're welcome to come crawling around redneck white bread country where you're outgunned 6:1 and everyone will report you for being an illegal immigrant.

once more - f*ck you guys! f*ck you guys in the ear! what ya gonna do about it now big boys? huh? gonna come get me?

wimps.

I totally read that with you as Cartman.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who reads using voices in my head. This post was perfect in Cartman-ese.

muck4doo		2011-09-15 11:40:25 AM

Someone should send them the "lighten up Frances" jpeg.

CygnusDarius		2011-09-15 11:40:57 AM

Casey Anthony: cman: For that little bit of Mexican weed you have, this is what the end result is. Sorry to ruin your high, bro

who the hell smokes weed from Mexico?

And how the hell do you know that high-quality ganja is not from home grown? How do you know the guy that sold you that stuff is not secretly in the payroll of a guy that works for the cartels? How do you know the Canadians, or Jamaicans that ship their stuff don't pay a little to the cartels for protection?.

Fail in Human Form		2011-09-15 11:42:11 AM

fireclown: Fail in Human Form: I was speaking of cannabis but I feel all personal drug use should be treated as a public health issue.

I'm not so sure about everything. My general test is whether a reasonable person can keep their shiat together on a given drug. In my experience, most people can handle their weed, but not everyone can handle coke, and just about nobody handles meth gracefully.

Cocaine and meth can already be prescribed in the US legally.

jaybeezey		2011-09-15 11:42:16 AM

Fail in Human Form: jaybeezey: I think they should make it illegal to sell

Why?

The parts you cut out explain why.

BigTexas		2011-09-15 11:43:59 AM

LL316: Fail in Human Form: ongbok: jso2897: xanadian: violentsalvation:
Legalization isn't a magic bullet that will end the violence because the cartels aren't just going to say damn and go home.

If it was legal tomorrow all the ills of the world would not be solved but they would be forced to compete on the open market and their profit margin would fall through the floor. The only reason it's such a massive revenue source is due to its illegality.

Are you actually suggesting that the legalization of cocaine is a possibility?
How about decriminalization? That has been proven to work. When it's not edgy and cool, its just seen as ugly.

Link

jaybeezey		2011-09-15 11:45:11 AM

Kirk's_Toupee: jaybeezey: Confabulat: violentsalvation: I never tried weed, for a time I was very against drugs and saw them as a curse on our society. I got injured once and fell in love with opiates, I eventually became addicted to heroin without ever trying the so called "gateway drug". As I fought my addiction I learned that the problems with drugs are not really the drugs themselves, the problem is with the prohibition. We created the problem.

And that is one of the reasons I advocate legalization of all drugs, the other being, drug use is nobody's business, and certainly not the government's business.

Can't argue with a word on that.

Drugs were here before us. There's a reason flowers smell good to bees.

So let me get this straight, you are ok with perpetuating violence against innocent people because you like to get high. Check.

You know, the other way to stop all of the violence on the border is to stop being selfish and get off of the marijuana cigarettes and cocaine powders.

Interesting side note from a friend of mine from Zaragosa, when they can, the Zetas also run the tobacco and liquor trades in local areas. They are expanding.

Good luck getting everyone to change their habits. That's right, you can't. So instead of opening up the drug market for more legal competition against big pharma, we should continue this failure called the war on drugs.
stop telling people how to live their lives.

You do realize that by telling me to stop telling you something you told me how to live my life.

seems hypocritical....

Fail in Human Form		2011-09-15 11:45:56 AM

jaybeezey: Fail in Human Form: jaybeezey: I think they should make it illegal to sell

Why?

The parts you cut out explain why.

I don't feel they do, that's why I cut them out.

Sensitiveborderarea		2011-09-15 11:47:19 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Sensitiveborderarea: some bullshiat

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Nick Spiceyweiner		2011-09-15 11:47:24 AM

cman: For that little bit of Mexican weed you have, this is what the end result is. Sorry to ruin your high, bro

My weed comes from Canada and Cali bro.

BigTexas		2011-09-15 11:48:01 AM

CygnusDarius: Casey Anthony: cman: For that little bit of Mexican weed you have, this is what the end result is. Sorry to ruin your high, bro

who the hell smokes weed from Mexico?

And how the hell do you know that high-quality ganja is not from home grown? How do you know the guy that sold you that stuff is not secretly in the payroll of a guy that works for the cartels? How do you know the Canadians, or Jamaicans that ship their stuff don't pay a little to the cartels for protection?.

Really?? How do we know he didn't follow his dog around for 3 days with a baggy to get his stash back... Are we sounding ridiculous yet?

jaybeezey		2011-09-15 11:48:05 AM

Confabulat: jaybeezey: I just like the idea of spreading the love of horticulture.

I have a vegetable garden too you know. My purple carrot seeds should be here today!

Look man, i'm trying to rule over your every action from afar, if i have to resort to looking over your back fence this is going to really tedious.

Also, purple carrots? Tell me more...

CygnusDarius		2011-09-15 11:57:13 AM

Nick Spiceyweiner: cman: For that little bit of Mexican weed you have, this is what the end result is. Sorry to ruin your high, bro

My weed comes from Canada and Cali bro.

Mexican drug cartels are increasingly active inside the United States, producing homegrown marijuana and gaining new urban footholds, officials say (new window). But then again, this is the government saying it.

/Still
//Like I said before
///If I have my camera, and I see any shiat happening in my town, I will take photos
////I will not be intimidated by the cartels

SuperNinjaToad		2011-09-15 12:04:08 PM

Weaver95: f*ck the drug cartels.

yah, you heard me - f*ck you guys. wanna come find me? you're welcome to come crawling around redneck white bread country where you're outgunned 6:1 and everyone will report you for being an illegal immigrant.

once more - f*ck you guys! f*ck you guys in the ear! what ya gonna do about it now big boys? huh? gonna come get me?

wimps.
the real ironic sad part is a lot of these rednecks (their addiction anyway) are also the reason why these violent drug cartels exist to begin with!

there's really only 1 way to stop this and that is to eliminate demand! As long as there is demand somebody is going to create the supply chain to make $$$$!

It never was and never will be rocket science. This is elementary school economics!

BigTexas		2011-09-15 12:05:40 PM

CygnusDarius: Nick Spiceyweiner: cman: For that little bit of Mexican weed you have, this is what the end result is. Sorry to ruin your high, bro

My weed comes from Canada and Cali bro.

Mexican drug cartels are increasingly active inside the United States, producing homegrown marijuana and gaining new urban footholds, officials say (new window). But then again, this is the government saying it.

/Still
//Like I said before
///If I have my camera, and I see any shiat happening in my town, I will take photos
////I will not be intimidated by the cartels

Who wants to bet that the government is counting most illegal immigrants that grow as cartel. Also it has been more common lately to plant them in different federal forests too. I am not saying that there are 0 in the US. But I still stand by the fact that if a guy could grow his own then what would they have to offer unless it was bottom of the barrel cheap?

AppleChill		2011-09-15 12:10:48 PM

Wanted for questioning

Hot like the Internet

CygnusDarius		2011-09-15 12:10:58 PM

BigTexas: Who wants to bet that the government is counting most illegal immigrants that grow as cartel. Also it has been more common lately to plant them in different federal forests too. I am not saying that there are 0 in the US. But I still stand by the fact that if a guy could grow his own then what would they have to offer unless it was bottom of the barrel cheap?

Point taken, and I know there's an article out there that says that homegrown hurts the cartels.

Bottom line: Punch a Zeta in the nuts... Grow your own stash.

/It's your American duty

EleventyOne		2011-09-15 12:13:38 PM

dk47		2011-09-15 12:21:03 PM

H31N0US: Cuba

LOL Hhahaahaha Cuba, you did not just say Cuba.

/legalize it, all of it.

BigTexas		2011-09-15 12:24:05 PM

Lets look at alcohol. Look at Al Capone. Look at what he made and did while alcohol was illegal. Now look at today. Lets look at current day moonshiners and what they sell. Those guys aren't rich. Hell, they are usually only able to get by. They aren't making enough to get rich in the illegal trade of a legal substance. Why? Because you can go buy the legal taxed product for as cheap as $10 for a 1.75L. Plus the knowledge that it should be produced in a more sterile environment.

BigTexas		2011-09-15 12:25:12 PM

CygnusDarius: BigTexas: Who wants to bet that the government is counting most illegal immigrants that grow as cartel. Also it has been more common lately to plant them in different federal forests too. I am not saying that there are 0 in the US. But I still stand by the fact that if a guy could grow his own then what would they have to offer unless it was bottom of the barrel cheap?

Point taken, and I know there's an article out there that says that homegrown hurts the cartels.

Bottom line: Punch a Zeta in the nuts... Grow your own stash.

/It's your American duty

Agree 100%

dk47		2011-09-15 12:27:28 PM

k4mi: Libya

Who do you think trained the Zetas? It's not as simple as just giving them military aid.

900RR		2011-09-15 12:28:57 PM

rhino33		2011-09-15 12:30:14 PM

stonytokes: xanadian: My father used to work on the border up here. Apparently, next to potatoes and broccoli, marijuana was the #3 cash crop in Aroostook County.

No lie.

where you from? my wife is from Houlton. Her father works for border patrol there.

ongbok		2011-09-15 12:38:37 PM

BigTexas: Lets look at alcohol. Look at Al Capone. Look at what he made and did while alcohol was illegal. Now look at today. Lets look at current day moonshiners and what they sell. Those guys aren't rich. Hell, they are usually only able to get by. They aren't making enough to get rich in the illegal trade of a legal substance. Why? Because you can go buy the legal taxed product for as cheap as $10 for a 1.75L. Plus the knowledge that it should be produced in a more sterile environment.

First of all Capone and the mob never produced alcohol and the alcohol they got from moonshiners was a very small percent of what they were selling. They smuggled in alcohol from out of the country then stole alcohol from and bribed the few companies that were still allowed to manufacture alcohol in the U.S for their stock. The mob continued to make money after prohibition because they had a huge fleet of trucks and moved into legitimate business with those trucks and muscled out the competition. Bottom line is that they never controlled the manufacture of illegal alcohol.

Now the cartels on the other hand control the manufacture of most of the illegal drugs now and they will control the manufacture of them if they are made legal. They will continue to fight each other to maintain control of the manufacture of drugs whether they are illegal or not.

solitary		2011-09-15 12:39:23 PM

crazytrpr		2011-09-15 12:40:55 PM

BigTexas: Lets look at alcohol. Look at Al Capone. Look at what he made and did while alcohol was illegal. Now look at today. Lets look at current day moonshiners and what they sell. Those guys aren't rich. Hell, they are usually only able to get by. They aren't making enough to get rich in the illegal trade of a legal substance. Why? Because you can go buy the legal taxed product for as cheap as $10 for a 1.75L. Plus the knowledge that it should be produced in a more sterile environment.

It wasn;t just the repeal of prohibition, many states own their liquor stores. It makes it had to distribute liquor which is pretty heavy physically.

It easier and just as profitable to to sell knock offs, counterfit or stolen sundry consumables (tide to baby formula) and cigarrettes to family owned neighborhood "bodegas". It gets far less attention than drugs or liquor. Trafficking is the real money maker, it doesn't matter whats being trafficked.

offmymeds		2011-09-15 12:42:22 PM

I_C_Weener		2011-09-15 12:46:02 PM

I've never seen Weaver95 so internet tough guyish like this before. Then again, how tough is it really? These guys don't speak English.

Say it in Mexican, Weaver! I dare you!

canyoneer		2011-09-15 12:56:12 PM

dk47: H31N0US: Cuba - LOL Hhahaahaha Cuba, you did not just say Cuba.

He meant to say "Uruguay."

www.peter-ould.net

BigTexas		2011-09-15 01:03:47 PM

ongbok: BigTexas: Lets look at alcohol. Look at Al Capone. Look at what he made and did while alcohol was illegal. Now look at today. Lets look at current day moonshiners and what they sell. Those guys aren't rich. Hell, they are usually only able to get by. They aren't making enough to get rich in the illegal trade of a legal substance. Why? Because you can go buy the legal taxed product for as cheap as $10 for a 1.75L. Plus the knowledge that it should be produced in a more sterile environment.

First of all Capone and the mob never produced alcohol and the alcohol they got from moonshiners was a very small percent of what they were selling. They smuggled in alcohol from out of the country then stole alcohol from and bribed the few companies that were still allowed to manufacture alcohol in the U.S for their stock. The mob continued to make money after prohibition because they had a huge fleet of trucks and moved into legitimate business with those trucks and muscled out the competition. Bottom line is that they never controlled the manufacture of illegal alcohol.

Now the cartels on the other hand control the manufacture of most of the illegal drugs now and they will control the manufacture of them if they are made legal. They will continue to fight each other to maintain control of the manufacture of drugs whether they are illegal or not.

If this is so true lets look at California. Lets look at medical marijuana and dispensaries. Are you telling me that all those places(outnumber starbucks in some places) are controlled by the cartel? Or that they stock a majority of cartel product? Cause last I saw they did not have a ditch weed section in a dispensary. My point with Capone wasn't that he produced his product, it was that when the product that made him rich went legal again, he had to find another job. Yes he took he trucks and found something else to do. Now generations later what do you see of his empire? I don't expect that the cartels will just take their ball and go home. I do expect they will take a huge financial hit. I want to see those blood thirsty animals take a hit where they feel it most($). No, I do not believe they will be able to maintain control the manufacture of drugs after that. Why? What can they do if you can grow your own. For cocaine, look at Portugal. Use is down and kids see the users as pathetic. Again, less use, less demand, less profit.

justafarkingchef		2011-09-15 01:04:02 PM

I think it's time to introduce the drug cartels to my old friend Willy Pete.

ultraholland		2011-09-15 01:07:07 PM

I know how to fix this: build a fence. A giant fence. That'll learn 'em.

ongbok		2011-09-15 01:11:19 PM

BigTexas: ongbok: BigTexas: Lets look at alcohol. Look at Al Capone. Look at what he made and did while alcohol was illegal. Now look at today. Lets look at current day moonshiners and what they sell. Those guys aren't rich. Hell, they are usually only able to get by. They aren't making enough to get rich in the illegal trade of a legal substance. Why? Because you can go buy the legal taxed product for as cheap as $10 for a 1.75L. Plus the knowledge that it should be produced in a more sterile environment.

First of all Capone and the mob never produced alcohol and the alcohol they got from moonshiners was a very small percent of what they were selling. They smuggled in alcohol from out of the country then stole alcohol from and bribed the few companies that were still allowed to manufacture alcohol in the U.S for their stock. The mob continued to make money after prohibition because they had a huge fleet of trucks and moved into legitimate business with those trucks and muscled out the competition. Bottom line is that they never controlled the manufacture of illegal alcohol.

Now the cartels on the other hand control the manufacture of most of the illegal drugs now and they will control the manufacture of them if they are made legal. They will continue to fight each other to maintain control of the manufacture of drugs whether they are illegal or not.

If this is so true lets look at California. Lets look at medical marijuana and dispensaries. Are you telling me that all those places(outnumber starbucks in some places) are controlled by the cartel? Or that they stock a majority of cartel product? Cause last I saw they did not have a ditch weed section in a dispensary. My point with Capone wasn't that he produced his product, it was that when the product that made him rich went legal again, he had to find another job. Yes he took he trucks and found something else to do. Now generations later what do you see of his empire? I don't expect that the cartels will just take their ball and go home. I do expect they will take a huge financial hit. I want to see those blood thirsty animals take a hit where they feel it most($). No, I do not believe they will be able to maintain control the manufacture of drugs after that. Why? What can they do if you can grow your own. For cocaine, look at Portugal. Use is down and kids see the users as pathetic. Again, less use, less demand, less profit.

You are very naive if you think that the cartels don't own some of those dispensaries and have their own grow ops in the U.S. They just don't sell ditch weed in the U.S, it called having a wide product line for sell to different customer bases. Just because some white guy is the face of the dispensary doesn't mean that the cartel doesn't own it. Hell the cartels own thousands of legit businesses in the U.S from construction firms to restaurants and you think that they don't own marijuana dispensaries?

fireclown		2011-09-15 01:16:27 PM

CygnusDarius: Bottom line: Punch a Zeta in the nuts... Grow your own stash.

A long, long time ago I knew a guy who grew some weed. And I will say that I liked the fact that I knew that nobody had ever gotten killed over his stash.

Wicked Chinchilla		2011-09-15 01:27:42 PM

BigTexas: ongbok: BigTexas: Lets look at alcohol. Look at Al Capone. Look at what he made and did while alcohol was illegal. Now look at today. Lets look at current day moonshiners and what they sell. Those guys aren't rich. Hell, they are usually only able to get by. They aren't making enough to get rich in the illegal trade of a legal substance. Why? Because you can go buy the legal taxed product for as cheap as $10 for a 1.75L. Plus the knowledge that it should be produced in a more sterile environment.

First of all Capone and the mob never produced alcohol and the alcohol they got from moonshiners was a very small percent of what they were selling. They smuggled in alcohol from out of the country then stole alcohol from and bribed the few companies that were still allowed to manufacture alcohol in the U.S for their stock. The mob continued to make money after prohibition because they had a huge fleet of trucks and moved into legitimate business with those trucks and muscled out the competition. Bottom line is that they never controlled the manufacture of illegal alcohol.

Now the cartels on the other hand control the manufacture of most of the illegal drugs now and they will control the manufacture of them if they are made legal. They will continue to fight each other to maintain control of the manufacture of drugs whether they are illegal or not.

If this is so true lets look at California. Lets look at medical marijuana and dispensaries. Are you telling me that all those places(outnumber starbucks in some places) are controlled by the cartel? Or that they stock a majority of cartel product? Cause last I saw they did not have a ditch weed section in a dispensary. My point with Capone wasn't that he produced his product, it was that when the product that made him rich went legal again, he had to find another job. Yes he took he trucks and found something else to do. Now generations later what do you see of his empire? I don't expect that the cartels will just take their ball and go home. I do expect they will take a huge financial hit. I want to see those blood thirsty animals take a hit where they feel it most($). No, I do not believe they will be able to maintain control the manufacture of drugs after that. Why? What can they do if you can grow your own. For cocaine, look at Portugal. Use is down and kids see the users as pathetic. Again, less use, less demand, less profit.

Precisely.

Everyone knows there isn't a quick fix. These are hugely complex issues that will take time to evolve and unravel no matter what you do. That, however, is absolutely no excuse to sit back and maintain the status quo. Legalization has worked in Portugal. Legalization worked with alcohol. Yes, there are differences in the particulars but legalizing illegal substances lowers violent crime in the long run. It has a good possibility of at least reducing the violence if not ridding us of a majority of it. The only other alternative is revising current prohibitive policies. We have done the whole "War on Drugs" since Reagan. Its a dysmal failure by all metrics. Prohibition doesn't work. Prohibition has never worked. Why are we going down this path yet one...more...time. Especially why are we still it at after countries have tried the alternative and had it work for them?

If policy was truly driven by realistic analysis of data then legalization would have occured a long, long time ago.

Yes, its not a quick fix, but its a major change that will turn things to the better eventually. Big changes take time. We will most certainly not change the drug war situation in a day, week, month, or even a year no matter what we do. But keeping the status quo is guaranteed to not work.

H31N0US		2011-09-15 01:33:18 PM

dk47: H31N0US: Cuba

LOL Hhahaahaha Cuba, you did not just say Cuba.

/legalize it, all of it.

Just throwing it out there. And I agree: legalize. Let the foolish overdose. I for one know my limits and enjoy a little something now and then.

lilplatinum		2011-09-15 01:38:14 PM

ongbok: Now the cartels on the other hand control the manufacture of most of the illegal drugs now and they will control the manufacture of them if they are made legal. They will continue to fight each other to maintain control of the manufacture of drugs whether they are illegal or not.

No they wont, big businesses would jump on the opportunity to manufacture in the states and the minute they started making serious inroads into the US we would be cracking down likea mofo. Leaglization wouldnt destroy them overnight, but it would deal a big blow to them despite your assertions of their godlike domination over the entire landscape of the United States.

/knew plenty of small time growers of high quality weed who were in no way linked to Mexican gangs.

ongbok		2011-09-15 01:45:00 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: BigTexas: ongbok: BigTexas: Lets look at alcohol. Look at Al Capone. Look at what he made and did while alcohol was illegal. Now look at today. Lets look at current day moonshiners and what they sell. Those guys aren't rich. Hell, they are usually only able to get by. They aren't making enough to get rich in the illegal trade of a legal substance. Why? Because you can go buy the legal taxed product for as cheap as $10 for a 1.75L. Plus the knowledge that it should be produced in a more sterile environment.

First of all Capone and the mob never produced alcohol and the alcohol they got from moonshiners was a very small percent of what they were selling. They smuggled in alcohol from out of the country then stole alcohol from and bribed the few companies that were still allowed to manufacture alcohol in the U.S for their stock. The mob continued to make money after prohibition because they had a huge fleet of trucks and moved into legitimate business with those trucks and muscled out the competition. Bottom line is that they never controlled the manufacture of illegal alcohol.

Now the cartels on the other hand control the manufacture of most of the illegal drugs now and they will control the manufacture of them if they are made legal. They will continue to fight each other to maintain control of the manufacture of drugs whether they are illegal or not.

If this is so true lets look at California. Lets look at medical marijuana and dispensaries. Are you telling me that all those places(outnumber starbucks in some places) are controlled by the cartel? Or that they stock a majority of cartel product? Cause last I saw they did not have a ditch weed section in a dispensary. My point with Capone wasn't that he produced his product, it was that when the product that made him rich went legal again, he had to find another job. Yes he took he trucks and found something else to do. Now generations later what do you see of his empire? I don't expect that the cartels will just take their ball and go home. I do expect they will take a huge financial hit. I want to see those blood thirsty animals take a hit where they feel it most($). No, I do not believe they will be able to maintain control the manufacture of drugs after that. Why? What can they do if you can grow your own. For cocaine, look at Portugal. Use is down and kids see the users as pathetic. Again, less use, less demand, less profit.

Precisely.

Everyone knows there isn't a quick fix. These are hugely complex issues that will take time to evolve and unravel no matter what you do. That, however, is absolutely no excuse to sit back and maintain the status quo. Legalization has worked in Portugal. Legalization worked with alcohol. Yes, there are differences in the particulars but legalizing illegal substances lowers violent crime in the long run. It has a good possibility of at least reducing the violence if not ridding us of a majority of it. The only other alternative is revising current prohibitive policies. We have done the whole "War on Drugs" since Reagan. Its a dysmal failure by all metrics. Prohibition doesn't work. Prohibition has never worked. Why are we going down this path yet one...more...time. Especially why are we still it at after countries have tried the alternative and had it work for them?

If policy was truly driven by realistic analysis of data then legalization would have occured a long, long time ago.

Yes, its not a quick fix, but its a major change that will turn things to the better eventually. Big changes take time. We will most certainly not change the drug war situation in a day, week, month, or even a year no matter what we do. But keeping the status quo is guaranteed to not work.

I'm not against legalization but what I was pointing out is that just legalization isn't going to solve the violence problem in Mexico. The cartels aren't going away and their way of doing business won't go away with just legalization. It is naive to think that just because legalization may cause a drop in the profits that it will break the cartels backs. That will cause more violence as they fight with each other to increase their market share.

Before legalization is even an option the cartels have to be taken out first, and at this point it can't be done with the criminal justice system in Mexico. Mexico is going to have to stop treating them like criminals and declare them enemy combatants or terrorist and take full military action to neutralize them, then take control of the drug manufacture. Expanding on a comment somebody else said about predator strikes, maybe Mexico should look into buying some predator drones and training from the U.S and start striking at the cartels. After taking out a few that way after a while I'm sure you would get a couple of the cartels to agree to terms and stop handling business like animals. The only negative side to that is with all of the corruption in Mexico it probably wouldn't be long before a few of those drones walk off Mexican military bases and end up in the hands of the cartels.

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums		2011-09-15 02:01:27 PM

If only the War on Drugs focused more on educating people on being responsible drug users rather than spreading lies that hurt everyone...

FiatJustitia		2011-09-15 02:15:39 PM

fireclown: FiatJustitia: /born and raised there

IF CA were to decriminalize the demon weed, do you think it would be possible to arrange legitimate shipment of weed to San Diego? One of the lines from The Wire that really hit me was that every other damned thing in the world gets bought and sold without people getting killed.

I'm all for legalization, but to think it'll end the violence or even significantly affect is a bit delusional.

crazytrpr		2011-09-15 02:20:38 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: BigTexas: ongbok: BigTexas: Lets look at alcohol. Look at Al Capone. Look at what he made and did while alcohol was illegal. Now look at today. Lets look at current day moonshiners and what they sell. Those guys aren't rich. Hell, they are usually only able to get by. They aren't making enough to get rich in the illegal trade of a legal substance. Why? Because you can go buy the legal taxed product for as cheap as $10 for a 1.75L. Plus the knowledge that it should be produced in a more sterile environment.

First of all Capone and the mob never produced alcohol and the alcohol they got from moonshiners was a very small percent of what they were selling. They smuggled in alcohol from out of the country then stole alcohol from and bribed the few companies that were still allowed to manufacture alcohol in the U.S for their stock. The mob continued to make money after prohibition because they had a huge fleet of trucks and moved into legitimate business with those trucks and muscled out the competition. Bottom line is that they never controlled the manufacture of illegal alcohol.

Now the cartels on the other hand control the manufacture of most of the illegal drugs now and they will control the manufacture of them if they are made legal. They will continue to fight each other to maintain control of the manufacture of drugs whether they are illegal or not.

If this is so true lets look at California. Lets look at medical marijuana and dispensaries. Are you telling me that all those places(outnumber starbucks in some places) are controlled by the cartel? Or that they stock a majority of cartel product? Cause last I saw they did not have a ditch weed section in a dispensary. My point with Capone wasn't that he produced his product, it was that when the product that made him rich went legal again, he had to find another job. Yes he took he trucks and found something else to do. Now generations later what do you see of his empire? I don't expect that the cartels will just take their ball and go home. I do expect they will take a huge financial hit. I want to see those blood thirsty animals take a hit where they feel it most($). No, I do not believe they will be able to maintain control the manufacture of drugs after that. Why? What can they do if you can grow your own. For cocaine, look at Portugal. Use is down and kids see the users as pathetic. Again, less use, less demand, less profit.

Precisely.

Everyone knows there isn't a quick fix. These are hugely complex issues that will take time to evolve and unravel no matter what you do. That, however, is absolutely no excuse to sit back and maintain the status quo. Legalization has worked in Portugal. Legalization worked with alcohol. Yes, there are differences in the particulars but legalizing illegal substances lowers violent crime in the long run. It has a good possibility of at least reducing the violence if not ridding us of a majority of it. The only other alternative is revising current prohibitive policies. We have done the whole "War on Drugs" since Reagan. Its a dysmal failure by all metrics. Prohibition doesn't work. Prohibition has never worked. Why are we going down this path yet one...more...time. Especially why are we still it at after countries have tried the alternative and had it work for them?

If policy was truly driven by realistic analysis of data then legalization would have occured a long, long time ago.

Yes, its not a quick fix, but its a major change that will turn things to the better eventually. Big changes take time. We will most certainly not change the drug war situation in a day, week, month, or even a year no matter what we do. But keeping the status quo is guaranteed to not work.

Drugs use has been decriminalized in Portugal, selling is still illega (new window)l.

Treating users is a good thing. Total drug legalization nobody has tried that.

I can see weed being legalized with a big warning lable on the package user assumes all the risk yadda yadda. Most companies are going to want to avoid the potential legal liablity like the pleague for Heroin, Cocain, MDNA, meth etc.... as a warning lable may not save your company from an angry jury.

Cartels don't need no stinkin' lawyers to settle civil suits. Given their past they will likely control much of the legal Marijuana trade as well.

rubbyrubber		2011-09-15 02:21:49 PM

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: If only the War on Drugs focused more on educating people on being responsible drug users rather than spreading lies that hurt everyone...

There is no such thing as a "responsible drug user". Addictions blind you and control you. You stop being reasonable once the drug becomes your life. Kind of like zombies but with less brain eating.

Jack Black 62		2011-09-15 02:25:34 PM

rubbyrubber: The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: If only the War on Drugs focused more on educating people on being responsible drug users rather than spreading lies that hurt everyone...

There is no such thing as a "responsible drug user". Addictions blind you and control you. You stop being reasonable once the drug becomes your life. Kind of like zombies but with less brain eating.

So people cannot drink alcohol or caffeine responsibly?

stonytokes		2011-09-15 03:19:07 PM

rhino33: stonytokes: xanadian: My father used to work on the border up here. Apparently, next to potatoes and broccoli, marijuana was the #3 cash crop in Aroostook County.

No lie.

where you from? my wife is from Houlton. Her father works for border patrol there.

I'm from southern Maine. I'll be willing to bet xanadian is one of those flappy-headed Canadians. NTTAWWT.

/No offense
//Come see us in OOB
///Bring money

Albert		2011-09-15 03:40:24 PM

Things I've done in Mexico:

1. Ordered 30 shots of tequila for a total cost of $7
2. Watched a donkey put his penis in a woman
3. Observed a woman on stage insert 3 colored ping pong balls into her vagina, dance around, then pop them from her vagina in the opposite order she inserted them.
4. Brawled with 50 other drunkards in a huge Mexican jail cell.

CygnusDarius		2011-09-15 03:42:22 PM

ongbok, Mexico already is using full military action, and it's not working. I can't say I have a solution to the problem, but I think we need to start attacking the cartels where it hurts them the most: The pocket. Take away their money, and they'll start killing each other for the remaining pennies.

Jack Black 62		2011-09-15 03:49:40 PM

CygnusDarius		2011-09-15 04:28:22 PM

gunther_bumpass		2011-09-15 05:01:44 PM

Hi. Occasional coke user here. (only on weekends, holidays, baseball games and at the clubs) and I'm just sick about this. If the U.S. government would just wise up and make it legal - people wouldn't be killed. If there was something I could do besides petition the idiots we elect to make cocaine legal, I'd do it. But I can't think of a thing that a single cocaine user can do that would make a difference. It sucks, but that's the truth.

Isildur		2011-09-15 05:13:42 PM

Weaver95: f*ck the drug cartels.

yah, you heard me - f*ck you guys. wanna come find me? you're welcome to come crawling around redneck white bread country where you're outgunned 6:1 and everyone will report you for being an illegal immigrant.

once more - f*ck you guys! f*ck you guys in the ear! what ya gonna do about it now big boys? huh? gonna come get me?

wimps.

Yeah, that'll tell 'em!

I imagine you drunkenly waving a bottle around for dramatic emphasis while mashing that rant out on the keyboard with the other hand.

I share your disgust with them, but that post earned a prominent place in the Annals of ITGism.

/unless the post was deliberate self-parody?
//preemptively: "huhuh, huhuh, Beavis, he wrote 'anals of it gism'"

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums		2011-09-15 05:29:17 PM

rubbyrubber: The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: If only the War on Drugs focused more on educating people on being responsible drug users rather than spreading lies that hurt everyone...

There is no such thing as a "responsible drug user". Addictions blind you and control you. You stop being reasonable once the drug becomes your life. Kind of like zombies but with less brain eating.

Are you for real? Or are you making fun of those unrealistic War on Drugs commercials?

/is so addicted to acid that he NEEDS it every two years
//it dominates my life

muck4doo		2011-09-15 05:49:22 PM

gunther_bumpass: But I can't think of a thing that a single cocaine user can do that would make a difference

Of course not.

silvervial		2011-09-15 05:51:19 PM

Albert: Things I've done in Mexico:

1. Ordered 30 shots of tequila for a total cost of $7
2. Watched a donkey put his penis in a woman
3. Observed a woman on stage insert 3 colored ping pong balls into her vagina, dance around, then pop them from her vagina in the opposite order she inserted them.
4. Brawled with 50 other drunkards in a huge Mexican jail cell.

Never done any of the above, but I've always wondered how the hell number 2 works. I mean, do they put the donkey on its back and she straddles it, or does she bend over under the donkey, or is there some kind of tiered platform or what? And, no, I'm not going to GIS it because safe search would be pointless and without safe search I could burn my delicate inexperienced retinas out.

/but-for-one virgin

Resin33		2011-09-15 05:58:54 PM

Because the end of Prohibition stopped organized crime, so will legalizing drugs!

gunther_bumpass		2011-09-15 06:15:46 PM

muck4doo: gunther_bumpass: But I can't think of a thing that a single cocaine user can do that would make a difference

Of course not.

I.. um.. hmm..

One of us has a broken sarcasm detector.

RatMaster999		2011-09-15 06:39:05 PM

uber humper: Mexico used to be such a nice place.

Yeah, then the Spanish arrived...

cryinoutloud		2011-09-15 07:03:42 PM

That's no way to become head of a major drug cartel!

/a little late
//If you think I'm going to read the whole thread to see if someone already said that......yeah. No.

mod3072		2011-09-15 07:07:59 PM

silvervial: Albert: Things I've done in Mexico:

1. Ordered 30 shots of tequila for a total cost of $7
2. Watched a donkey put his penis in a woman
3. Observed a woman on stage insert 3 colored ping pong balls into her vagina, dance around, then pop them from her vagina in the opposite order she inserted them.
4. Brawled with 50 other drunkards in a huge Mexican jail cell.

Never done any of the above, but I've always wondered how the hell number 2 works. I mean, do they put the donkey on its back and she straddles it, or does she bend over under the donkey, or is there some kind of tiered platform or what? And, no, I'm not going to GIS it because safe search would be pointless and without safe search I could burn my delicate inexperienced retinas out.

/but-for-one virgin

I've never seen it in person, but I, um, "accidentally" saw a video of a woman and a horse once. It was a long time ago, but if I remember correctly, she laid on her back on some sort of contraption underneath the horse while a couple of handlers guided the horse. The whole thing looked incredibly dangerous to me, and wasn't particularly arousing. More "WTF!?" than FAP!

leonel		2011-09-15 07:08:59 PM

HEY _{I sometimes say funny things...}

Kirk's_Toupee		2011-09-15 09:20:11 PM

fireclown: Kirk's_Toupee: That's right, you can't

Nonsense. How many americans smoke cigarettes? How many smoked in 1975?

interesting you mention something legal.
chew on that a bit

Kirk's_Toupee		2011-09-15 09:25:15 PM

jaybeezey: Kirk's_Toupee: jaybeezey: Confabulat: violentsalvation: I never tried weed, for a time I was very against drugs and saw them as a curse on our society. I got injured once and fell in love with opiates, I eventually became addicted to heroin without ever trying the so called "gateway drug". As I fought my addiction I learned that the problems with drugs are not really the drugs themselves, the problem is with the prohibition. We created the problem.

And that is one of the reasons I advocate legalization of all drugs, the other being, drug use is nobody's business, and certainly not the government's business.

Can't argue with a word on that.

Drugs were here before us. There's a reason flowers smell good to bees.

So let me get this straight, you are ok with perpetuating violence against innocent people because you like to get high. Check.

You know, the other way to stop all of the violence on the border is to stop being selfish and get off of the marijuana cigarettes and cocaine powders.

Interesting side note from a friend of mine from Zaragosa, when they can, the Zetas also run the tobacco and liquor trades in local areas. They are expanding.

Good luck getting everyone to change their habits. That's right, you can't. So instead of opening up the drug market for more legal competition against big pharma, we should continue this failure called the war on drugs.
stop telling people how to live their lives.

You do realize that by telling me to stop telling you something you told me how to live my life.

seems hypocritical....
www.zulkey.com

so be a busy body?

Albert		2011-09-15 10:24:44 PM

silvervial 2011-09-15 05:51:19 PM
Never done any of the above, but I've always wondered how the hell number 2 works

Its all kind of fuzzy now but I recall her on her hands and knees on a slightly raised platform. I recall a couple of female "donkey's assistants" helping him out.

battery1979		2011-09-16 05:59:55 AM

BigTexas: CygnusDarius: Casey Anthony: cman: For that little bit of Mexican weed you have, this is what the end result is. Sorry to ruin your high, bro

who the hell smokes weed from Mexico?

And how the hell do you know that high-quality ganja is not from home grown? How do you know the guy that sold you that stuff is not secretly in the payroll of a guy that works for the cartels? How do you know the Canadians, or Jamaicans that ship their stuff don't pay a little to the cartels for protection?.

Really?? How do we know he didn't follow his dog around for 3 days with a baggy to get his stash back... Are we sounding ridiculous yet?

You mean, we're smoking dog shiat?

battery1979		2011-09-16 06:11:52 AM

Resin33: Because the end of Prohibition stopped organized crime, so will legalizing drugs!

Weakened, I will accept, but not stopped. Organized crime still exists.

Drunkndruid		2011-09-16 06:19:15 AM

Come at me, bro

/380 posts and i'm the first

BigTexas		2011-09-16 08:55:54 AM

battery1979: BigTexas: CygnusDarius: Casey Anthony: cman: For that little bit of Mexican weed you have, this is what the end result is. Sorry to ruin your high, bro

who the hell smokes weed from Mexico?

And how the hell do you know that high-quality ganja is not from home grown? How do you know the guy that sold you that stuff is not secretly in the payroll of a guy that works for the cartels? How do you know the Canadians, or Jamaicans that ship their stuff don't pay a little to the cartels for protection?.

Really?? How do we know he didn't follow his dog around for 3 days with a baggy to get his stash back... Are we sounding ridiculous yet?

You mean, we're smoking dog shiat?

Yep, Labrador. But it get ya high don't it.

BigTexas		2011-09-16 09:02:23 AM

battery1979: Resin33: Because the end of Prohibition stopped organized crime, so will legalizing drugs!

Weakened, I will accept, but not stopped. Organized crime still exists.

That's the point. Do you think the Cartel will just go away? No. Organized crime has existed for a very long time. In many different countries. The difference is that when they had more profitable things to peddle, they were more powerful. The cartels have something incredibly profitable, and as such they are extremely powerful. Mexico is an example. They have had far too much influence in that country for years. They didn't gain their influence because they were charismatic, the did it with a boat load of money.

PsiChick		2011-09-16 02:22:24 PM

doglover: violentsalvation: Our policies did this.

Um, first off: no. You're wrong. We didn't do this.

Assholes did this. Killing each other is farkin' Mexico's traditional past time and religion. It's been that way since before America had any white people. This kind of war is their farkin' culture. It has nothing to do with the US.

Even if our policies are making it possible for the cartels to grow in power, the same cartels in different places wouldn't act quite the same. There's plenty of gangs in America that are ruthless, like the Hell's Angels. They don't hang people from the farkin' bridges or litter the street with heads.

Which clearly means we have no responsibility at all and shouldn't change a thing.

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