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2011-09-14 12:58:23 PM

ajt167: My question to you is this: Still think there's no God?
or, alternatively, Where is your no God now?


That was just no-Satan trying to trick us.
 
2011-09-14 12:59:03 PM

wildstarr: I would have faith in mankind if there were no religion.


Which was invented by mankind, sooooo.....awkward!
 
2011-09-14 12:59:23 PM

IrateShadow: I'd like to rebut point 7. Most peoples' lives are bleak and lack meaning. They just refuse to acknowledge it.


It may lack meaning, but it's hardly bleak.
 
2011-09-14 12:59:55 PM

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: It's funny how you never see atheists get retarded over Buddhists and their stupid misguided imaginary religion.

90% of Atheists = angry ex-Christians.


When I have Buddhists knocking on my door at 7AM every Saturday and Sunday to hand me pamphlets, Buddhists on the street corner with megaphones telling me how evil I am, and Buddhists in the schoolboard trying to get "intelligent reincarnation" into the classroom, I'll treat Buddhists with the same rancor I treat hardcore Christians.
 
2011-09-14 01:00:20 PM

popesballs: 1.) There are no theists at funerals

/think about it
//it's just as true and false as it's corollary: no atheists in foxholes


That is a terrible analogy and it doesn't even make sense.

I get what the original comes from. That's easy. Yours? Not so much.
 
2011-09-14 01:01:03 PM

StaleCoffee: FitzShivering: If everyone stopped attacking each other for absolutely no good reason, the world would be a much better place.

You're asking kind of a lot there. What the fark would we do with all those guns, just to start? Jeez.


I would paint them blue, then build a gigantic Tardis made of guns.

But I'm a giant nerd or something, which is far, far worse than being an atheist.
 
2011-09-14 01:01:14 PM
Not going to read everything in the thread, but it seems the author is just giving his opinion which doesn't exactly debunk someone elses opinion.
 
2011-09-14 01:01:30 PM

drmda: A challenger appears: The only "problem" I have with Atheists is they spend too much time critizing Christianity and ignore Islam. I understand why though, if you talk crap about Islam they'll blow you up, if you talk crap about Christianity they'll usually just pray for you or leer at your unapprovingly.

Yeah, why attack only christianity?


Christians have a persecution bias.

1. Atheists don't attack Christianity. Christians simply get offended by facts and logic because they have nothing to base their religion on other than faith, so they take it as "attacking."

2. Christians make up the largest percentage of religious people in the US, they attempt to force religious based legislation, and are the most vocal. If atheists did attack a religion, it would make sense to be the one with the most power/sway that is literally attempting to turn the nation into a Christian one.
 
2011-09-14 01:02:02 PM

loonatic112358: ajt167: Okay, athiests. Listen up. Earlier today I saw a post on Reddit that had a link to real naked pictures of Scarlette Johansen (sp?). I looked at them and they were clear pictures of her boobs and butt.

My question to you is this: Still think there's no God?
or, alternatively, Where is your no God now?

Boom! God proven!

Bevets, you're welcome.

they could argue she's proof that natural selection and evolution will eventually acheieve perfection


Actually, there's a theory that the reason why multi-ethnic people are so attractive is that they have such diverse genes. It's natural selection's way of making us want to screw someone with diverse genes and make babies.
 
2011-09-14 01:02:46 PM

JPJ007: A challenger appears: The only "problem" I have with Atheists is they spend too much time critizing Christianity and ignore Islam. I understand why though, if you talk crap about Islam they'll blow you up, if you talk crap about Christianity they'll usually just pray for you or leer at your unapprovingly.

That's mostly because, in the US at least, it's not the Muslims trying to legislate their morality or cripple science education.



So, as more muslims immigrate to the U.S. we can expect that atheists will spend less time criticizing christians and more time on muslims.
That's a win for our side boys!
 
2011-09-14 01:02:47 PM

A challenger appears: The only "problem" I have with Atheists is they spend too much time critizing Christianity and ignore Islam. I understand why though, if you talk crap about Islam they'll blow you up, if you talk crap about Christianity they'll usually just pray for you or leer at your unapprovingly.


Would like a word.
2.bp.blogspot.com

Sounds like you do not read much.
 
2011-09-14 01:03:15 PM

James F. Campbell: I'd rather worship Inanna and hang out with her devotee-slash-prostitutes.

And, hey, maybe we're all wrong. Maybe some of the older religions had it right, and you have to die in battle in order to get into heaven. The rest of us just wander around aimlessly for all eternity. Oh, well.


Innana? We named the God Innana!
 
2011-09-14 01:03:57 PM

drmda: A challenger appears: The only "problem" I have with Atheists is they spend too much time critizing Christianity and ignore Islam. I understand why though, if you talk crap about Islam they'll blow you up, if you talk crap about Christianity they'll usually just pray for you or leer at your unapprovingly.

Yeah, why attack only christianity?


This is a myth.

Do not associate the idiot left-leaning sycophants you see on television with all atheists, just as you shouldn't associate the Fox News broadcasters with all Christians.
 
2011-09-14 01:04:42 PM

drmda: A challenger appears: The only "problem" I have with Atheists is they spend too much time critizing Christianity and ignore Islam. I understand why though, if you talk crap about Islam they'll blow you up, if you talk crap about Christianity they'll usually just pray for you or leer at your unapprovingly.

Yeah, why attack only christianity?



1) Go into an actual atheists forum and see how wrong that is.

2) Christianity is what we have to deal with the MOST in this country. Islam is not trying to keep gays from marrying in America.

3) It's not so much as an "attack" as it is a "defense". Quit telling us god doesn't like gays and that the Founding Fathers were Christians.



I hope that clears a few things up...
 
2011-09-14 01:04:53 PM
My two cents...

1) There are no atheists in foxholes.

There should only be foxes in foxholes. What do this phrase mean? That atheists don't want to be in situations where death is imminent? Well, who does???

2) Atheists are just angry with God.

If you believe in a god, you have the option of being angry with that god. Atheists are more apt to be angry with religious organizations and religious members.

3) Atheists are aggressive and rude.

Humans are aggressive and rude.

4) Atheism is a white dude thing.

Where are you getting that? From your ass? Now if you said "Atheism is an intellectual thing", I might agree that the stereotype exists, and I would agree with it. The race thing? Seriously, where are you getting that?

5) Atheism is just a faith like any other.

It's only when you have faith that you start interpreting things as faith-based beliefs. I don't even know why I'm expending energy on this point.

6) Atheists don't have a moral code.

Some humans have a better moral compass than others, belief systems aside. I would be upset if I passed up an opportunity to help out a suffering person or animal. Not everyone has that compass. Then again, I don't think I would stop a suicidal person from committing suicide.

7) Atheist lives are bleak and lack meaning.

I can see how a Christian might see this myth as rational. Yeah, it's amusing that a Christian can rationalize at all, but I digress. I would say that myth is right on par with "Theists are gullible". Fair?

8) Atheists are hedonists who don't understand the true meaning of love.

I would just say that atheists aren't as susceptible to as much hypocritical behavior. As for the true meaning of "love", I'd say that's about as subjective as the meaning of life.

9) Atheists have no way to cope after losing loved ones without the belief in an afterlife.

Huh? How so? I would postulate that atheists, if anything, are more capable of coping. Their life is done. Over. You may miss the person, but it's more akin to breaking up with a lover. You get over it. You don't need a god or lucky rabbits foot to pull you through.

10) Atheists are out to destroy Christmas.

Wasn't it theists that destroyed winter solstice first? Get your own holiday!
 
2011-09-14 01:05:22 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: Not going to read everything in the thread, but it seems the author is just giving his opinion which doesn't exactly debunk someone elses opinion.


You noticed those yellowy-orange bits of text in the missive? Those were links... to citations.

I wouldn't exactly call it a professional academic paper (and it wasn't written as one, I don't think- come to think of it, find me any arguments to the contrary written in an academic paper format), but it's a little bit above a stream of consciousness rant on the other hand.
 
2011-09-14 01:05:47 PM

F42: Bevets: The ancient man approached God (or even the gods)

Bevets is just angry at Thor.

It's not that he doesn't believe that Thor causes the thunder, it's that he's angry at him, so he pretends that he doesn't believe in Him.


See, this is why I have chosen to go with polytheism. There are plenty of gods out there, and you never quite know when one might be useful. So it's nice to pick and choose the ones you want at any given time. Or make up new ones on the spot if needs be.
 
2011-09-14 01:05:47 PM
You know what is wild about morals? People somehow figured out before this Jesus guy came along that it wasn't a very good idea to kill people or steal. How did they ever figure that out without a bible?
 
2011-09-14 01:05:56 PM

Grenwulf: Some 'Splainin' To Do 2011-09-14 11:09:58 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: 1) There are no atheists in foxholes.

That's not a myth, it's just an old saying intended to point out the horrors of war.

I don't much care about this saying, one way or the other, but I've talked to atheist veterans who absolutely farking hate it when people say that.

Count me in that group.
Hardest thing ever was to convince S1 to actually put "Atheist" on my dog tags instead of "No Religious Preference"


I've got numerous friends in the military who've told me similar things. Apparently, the Air Force is the worst about this. From what I've heard, there's a huge amount of straight up evangelism going on in it with a lot of the superiors actively encouraging it.
 
2011-09-14 01:06:40 PM
I'm an agnostic. That's the only logically tenable position.

/Militant agnostic - I don't know and you don't either.
 
2011-09-14 01:06:47 PM

Dimensio: The ancient man approached God (or even the gods) as the accused person approaches his judge. For the modem man the roles are reversed. He is the judge: God is in the dock. He is quite a kindly judge: if God should have a reasonable defense for being the god who permits war, poverty, and disease, he is ready to listen to it. The trial may even end in God's acquittal. But the important thing is that man is on the bench and God in the dock. ~ C.S. Lewis


Am I reading this incorrectly or is this an argument for atheism? I judge God to be lacking and I may ultimately decide to acquit. Until then, he can sit in oblivion with all the other failed deities.
 
2011-09-14 01:06:48 PM

pwhp_67: drmda: A challenger appears: The only "problem" I have with Atheists is they spend too much time critizing Christianity and ignore Islam. I understand why though, if you talk crap about Islam they'll blow you up, if you talk crap about Christianity they'll usually just pray for you or leer at your unapprovingly.

Yeah, why attack only christianity?


1) Go into an actual atheists forum and see how wrong that is.

2) Christianity is what we have to deal with the MOST in this country. Islam is not trying to keep gays from marrying in America.

3) It's not so much as an "attack" as it is a "defense". Quit telling us god doesn't like gays and that the Founding Fathers were Christians.



I hope that clears a few things up...


It should, but if he even had to ask, it won't.
 
2011-09-14 01:07:28 PM

loonatic112358: Selfabortion


loonatic112358: Selfabortion:
Third, ex-Christians have every right to be angry after arriving at an understanding that they've been raised in an utter lie while still having to watch so many of those same lies get used to justify infringements on their lives and freedoms. So fark you, if you're not angry about something like that, you might well be part of the problem.

People who call them selves Christians should be angry about the injustices done in their deities name, along with what you mentioned.

insert Gandhi quote about Christians here.


Why? The book they believe to be the Word of God generally justifies, explicitly, the injustices in question. Should it be a surprise then that it leads to people advocating atrocities in their deity's name?
 
2011-09-14 01:08:00 PM

FitzShivering: just as you shouldn't associate the Fox News broadcasters with all Christians



I'm not sure about that one. Have you seen their ratings?
 
2011-09-14 01:08:19 PM

popesballs: 1.) There are no theists at funerals

/think about it
//it's just as true and false as it's corollary: no atheists in foxholes


That makes no sense. First of all, have you *been* to a religious funeral? They acknowledge the person is elsewhere ("a better place") but mourn because they will be apart from them.

I mean aren't there sad people at airports? You are sad when someone you love departs, no? It doesn't matter if they're in the afterlife or worm food.
 
2011-09-14 01:08:20 PM
Every time I have finished reading a page in this thread, two new pages have already been posted.
At this rate I'll have finished reading it by, well, never!
 
2011-09-14 01:09:58 PM

A challenger appears: The only "problem" I have with Atheists is they spend too much time critizing Christianity and ignore Islam. I understand why though, if you talk crap about Islam they'll blow you up, if you talk crap about Christianity they'll usually just pray for you or leer at your unapprovingly.


I put God, Jesus, Thor, Xenu, Allah, Midichlorians, Yaweh, The Great Raven, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and Pax Cruciforms in the same bag as Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.* Hell, I made up a religion for an online game and that god's been more helpful than the rest of the pantheon put together.

And in the 16 years I've known him, my muslim friend has said two things to me about religion:
1. "I hope you find the truth before you die." (He said this once.)
2. "You're now a vegetarian? That's great, no pork, no alcohol, you're almost a muslim!"

*Notwithstanding the fact that in my house, I am in fact both of these last two. And yes, I have little wings I put on. What? I like the little wings.
 
2011-09-14 01:10:15 PM

roncofooddehydrator: I'm an agnostic. That's the only logically tenable position.

/Militant agnostic - I don't know and you don't either.


Which also means you're an atheist. A-theist- that which is not a theist.

//Internet Agnostics are far more annoying that Internet Atheists.
 
2011-09-14 01:10:20 PM

drmda: JPJ007: A challenger appears: The only "problem" I have with Atheists is they spend too much time critizing Christianity and ignore Islam. I understand why though, if you talk crap about Islam they'll blow you up, if you talk crap about Christianity they'll usually just pray for you or leer at your unapprovingly.

That's mostly because, in the US at least, it's not the Muslims trying to legislate their morality or cripple science education.


So, as more muslims immigrate to the U.S. we can expect that atheists will spend less time criticizing christians and more time on muslims.
That's a win for our side boys!


You know, I see this "why don't atheists attack Islam" challenge coming up a lot and it really doesn't make much sense to me.

Dawkins and Hitchens have both attacked Islam openly and aggressively and even kindly ol' Doc Dennett has publicly stated that he thinks that Islam is greater threat to the world than Christianity.

The notion that atheists give Islam a free pass is very much a strawman.
 
2011-09-14 01:10:26 PM

misanthropic1: I'm sure it's in no way owing to the predominant religion of the culture in which you live .


It's fair to say that in America, this is the case. However, branch it out to a worldwide basis, and the fact is 90% of atheism = angry ex-(local religion), and these people account for 100% of vocal atheists, because the ones never raised with it and aren't so angry DON'T spend all their time talking about why religion is bullshiat.

meat0918: Are Buddhists in America trying to violate the secular nature of our government?


No, but atheism (and especially internet atheism) would have you believe it's not about live and let live, because they see religious folk as intellectually inferior, and specifically that their religiosity is what keeps them intellectually inferior. And typically, Christians are only religion you ever really see being treated this way (maybe you're all just scared of Muslims?).

To everyone else, nice try. Also, "of course we're angry, we've been lied to" guy - "we've been lied to" implies that you have discovered the absolute truth, which is equally pompous a remark.
 
2011-09-14 01:11:55 PM
There's nothing I enjoy more than going around neighborhoods, knocking on doors, house to house, and telling everyone about the joys of not collecting stamps.

/i have some not-literature on the not-a-subject, if you're interested
 
2011-09-14 01:12:17 PM
I don't see how anyone who has studied Life can be an atheist, someone who does not believe in God. Look around you - pretty obvious there's intelligence behind the design.

What I could believe is someone not believing that God is perfect, or all-good. This is called "dystheism." You don't hear too much about that, but that seems much more reasonable than atheism.

Is it intellectually dishonest to say you don't believe in God, when in fact you just can't bring yourself to believe that God would let all that is bad occur?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-09-14 01:12:33 PM
An atheist's voice does not echo, and nobody knows why.
 
2011-09-14 01:13:20 PM

SkunkWerks: You noticed those yellowy-orange bits of text in the missive? Those were links... to citations.


well, I'm sure you noticed that those yellowy-orange things are in only 2 of his 10 points.

The rest is opinion. Opinions aren't debunking.

And I'm not argueing whether he is right or wrong, I'm argueing that giving your opinion doesn't mean you've debunked someone elses opinion, regardless of the subject.
 
2011-09-14 01:13:22 PM

loonatic112358: ajt167: Okay, athiests. Listen up. Earlier today I saw a post on Reddit that had a link to real naked pictures of Scarlette Johansen (sp?). I looked at them and they were clear pictures of her boobs and butt.

My question to you is this: Still think there's no God?
or, alternatively, Where is your no God now?

Boom! God proven!

Bevets, you're welcome.

they could argue she's proof that natural selection and evolution will eventually acheieve perfection


But that fact that these pitchers exist and are easily accessible by us is the proof of God.
 
2011-09-14 01:13:29 PM
Come on, people. We're ALL atheists.

It's just that I believe in one less god than you do.
 
2011-09-14 01:13:48 PM

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: "we've been lied to" implies that you have discovered the absolute truth



The Catholic Church says homosexuality is wrong.

Homosexuality has been observed as naturally occurring in nature.


Therefore, stating as fact that homosexuality is a sin and an offense to some god who allegedly created nature, is a lie.


How many of these do we have to sort through before you retract your ignorant remark?
 
2011-09-14 01:15:18 PM

Kome: Steelers fans without problems...


Everyone knows this one doesn't exist.

Because they've still got the problem of being Steelers fans.
 
2011-09-14 01:15:27 PM

give me doughnuts: wiregeek: Sticky Hands: Atheists are like onions.

delicious when diced in my mashed potatoes?

What kind of Philistine puts onions in mashed potatos?


That's what I said - turns out it's yummy!
 
2011-09-14 01:15:28 PM
1) There are no atheists in foxholes.

More atheists are made in foxholes than believers are made in churches.

2) Atheists are just angry with God.

No, we also think he's hilarious, the doddering old fool. But I do hope bot flies lay their eggs in the soles of his feet and their larvae crawl out of his scalp. Just for yuks. Or to venge Darwin's little daughter.

3) Atheists are aggressive and rude.

Usually right after some obstreperous believer tells them they are 1) tools of the Devil; 2) damned to eternal perdition; 3) without morals or love or brains or 4) or worse. True Believers are never rude or aggressive. You just can't tell them to fark off. They won't. They'll renew their aggressions with renewed vigour and rudeness.

4) Atheism is a white dude thing.

Explain Atheistical Red China.

5) Atheism is just a faith like any other.

For the purpose of argument, imagine that there is a total of 10,000 religious positions and that atheism is one of them. The set is complete. One of the 10,000 religions has to be right.

Every time you prove a religion false it's chance of being right is redistributed to the other religions.

Right? Wrong. Every time a religion is proven false, atheism gets the whole pot. Because the fact that people will irrationally follow a set of beliefs without examining or attempting to prove their foundations is entirely a point in favour of atheism.

Atheism is not a belief system like the religious belief systems. If a religion HAD to be true, out of the 10,000 religious positions I am positing, and atheism HAD to be false, the elimination of one religion would mean each surviving religion gained a little bit of credibility until one religion eventually got it all. But as long as atheism is in play, the failure of any religion is a failure of them all.

And mankind has worshipped a heck of a lot more than 10,000 false gods and goddesses in its day. The Hindus alone have well over 100,000,000 gods, the Chinese perhaps 144,000, the Ancients over 12,000. Christianity alone has almost 9,000-10,000 sects and denominations, plus a few that many Christians don't even acknowledge as Christian.

Every one of these gods is a ticket in a lottery, and every combination of these gods is another possible religion. God A, God B, God C, and so forth can be permuted and combined in a seemingly infinite number of ways.

All these religions are in a lottery to be The One True Faith and logically there is an enormous number of false OTFs, each of them proving how foolish and perverse it is to believe any of this rubbish.

In short, Atheism is like not buying lottery tickets. It is not a ticket like the others.

6) Atheists don't have a moral code.

So the Serpent was wasting his time when he sold Eve on the Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil? So God did NOT give humans an inate sense of right and wrong and a preference for making other people do the right thing and even, in most cases, for doing the right thing? So everybody is a sociopath but me and thee and I have to wonder about thee? You contradict your own religion when you claim atheists have no moral code. Everybody, even nihilists, luciferians and amoralists, has a code of conduct. They will avoid doing certain things out of sheer pride, if nothing else. The vices are often just as good at enforcing correct conduct as the virtures, after all.


7) Atheist lives are bleak and lack meaning.

No, the universe is bleak and lacks meaning. Humans MAKE meaning. They can't help it.

8) Atheists are hedonists who don't understand the true meaning of love.

What the Hell are they doing in foxholes then?

9) Atheists have no way to cope after losing loved ones without the belief in an afterlife.

They're dead, Dave. They're dead, Dave. They're all Dead, Dave.

Atheists cope with the inevitability of Death the same way that believers do. The seven or five or whatever number of stages of grief, I believe, apply to everything. Denial. Anger. Self-Pity. Bargaining. Acceptance.

It's got nothing to do with God. It is innate. Even chimpanzees in the trees do it. They may only mourn their dead babies for a few days at most, and some of them may eat them in their psychosis, but their reactions to death are very close to human. Too close to human for comfort. I wish WE would, as humans, stop eating THEM. But you can't really blame the poor for eating what they can get, as long as it's not each other.

One good way of coping with death is to cite comforting Scriptures:

You and me baby
Ain't nothing but mammals
Let's do it like they do
And the Discovery Channel.

Or you could turn to the beautiful arts of lying and self-delusion:

18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. 19For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. 21Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? 22Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?
Ecclesiastes 3: 18-22

There are few problems in life that sex, love, hope, self-delusion, a sense of humour and death will not solve.

10) Atheists are out to destroy Christmas.

Dammit. Most atheists celebrate the secular feast of Christmas just like everybody else. It's the spoilsports and busy-bodies and judgmental, mean-spirited Christians who are out to destroy Christmas.

They use it as a club against non-Christians and everybody else.

They play dog-in-the-manger, neither enjoying nor allowing anybody else to enjoy.

If you celebrate Christmas, they whine about commercialization, and feasting, and innocent fun.
If you don't they whine about that.

Send a card with an innocent non-religious greeting--such as graced the first Christmas cards and such as people were sending centuries ago--in their ignorance, folly and malice, they whine.

Send a pious --and hypocritical-- card and they'd whine about that.

But that doesn't mean they'll be any less hypocritical themselves with their peace on Earth and good will towards all men.

They don't love peace on Earth and they don't feel good will towards all men, so their Christmas spirit is a lie and a deceit of the Devil.

Religionists love to claim that the Devil's best trick was to convince people that he doesn't exist.

WRONG. It was to convince some people that he is JAY-SUS, GOD. LORD, PRINCE OF PEACE, etC.

Jebus take you and your Christmas.

Atheists out to destroy Christmas? I wish. Even the Puritans didn't manage to do that. We're still stuck with damn mince pies, damn yule logs, damn holly, damn fir trees and all the other trappings of paganism that Christians stole from the pagans hundreds, thousands or scores of years ago.

If atheists could destroy Christmas they'd be doing us all a favour. It makes no economic sense to give people presents that they don't really want, or worse yet, gift cards that they will fail to use or lose, thus enriching the crooks who sell them.
 
2011-09-14 01:15:39 PM
I don't get the fark headline. Was that just a joke or does subby really believe the article failed?

I'm a born atheist (missing the God part of the brain apparently) and I love Christmas and keep it well. I also insist on calling it Christmas. None of this Happy Holidays! crap for me. My annual Christmas CDs are quite in demand. I include many beautiful religious songs, but because so many people are pricks about it, I group them together in the second half for easy omission.

Belief in God is socially acceptable mass hysteria. The whole idea of God is ridiculous. I thought it stupid from the first time I heard about God. An invisible all-poswerful being? Come on. That's the best you can come up with?

While having "In God We Trust" on money is silly, it is part of our culture. I don't get bent out of shape over cultural expressions of faith. Chaplains at public meetings? So what.

It's when religionists try to get their wackier beliefs into law that I must resist. Creationism is the most egregious example of nonsense masquerading as fact that religionists are trying to shove down our throats in public forums. I'll fight that one tooth and nail.
 
2011-09-14 01:16:18 PM

xl5150: An atheist's voice does not echo, and nobody knows why.


Some say atheists know too facts about ducks, and they're both wrong

I believe in the stig!
 
2011-09-14 01:16:31 PM
Well, that proves it. Athesists are right and everyone else is wrong. And if you still don't believe this, stay tuned to Fark for more pro-Atheist propaganda.
 
2011-09-14 01:16:50 PM
Whoops! Once again I proof read after posting.

Er, spot my intentional error.
 
2011-09-14 01:16:59 PM

JPJ007: A challenger appears: The only "problem" I have with Atheists is they spend too much time critizing Christianity and ignore Islam. I understand why though, if you talk crap about Islam they'll blow you up, if you talk crap about Christianity they'll usually just pray for you or leer at your unapprovingly.

That's mostly because, in the US at least, it's not the Muslims trying to legislate their morality or cripple science education.


Well said....now can we just drop this whole thing and try to get along? Please?
 
2011-09-14 01:17:23 PM

Erik_Emune: GilRuiz1: PC LOAD LETTER: Religion never changes, regardless of what the facts are.

Is Christianity practiced exactly the same way that it was when it was founded?

No, and that's a good point to bring up. Once Christianity clawed its way to the top in Europe, it somehow managed to always provide the moral and religious backing for whatever political trend was in vogue.

Feudalism? The Bible explains clearly why you must submit to your betters.

Monarchy? Here, let me provide the Biblical backing for the Divine Rights of Kings.

Nationalism? Absolutely. It's God's will that you go fight for your country.

Elections? A good, Christian concept. We are all God's children.

Women's suffrage? Bad idea, the Bible clearly states that women must be submissive to the leader of the household.

Women's suffrage? Great idea, those Bible quotes are taken out of context.

Slavery? Oh yes, clearly backed by the Bible.

Abolition of Slavery? Oh yes, clearly backed by the Bible.

Anti-semitism? Tons of Biblical support for that. Go burn some Jews.

Anti-anti-semitism? A moral obligation for any good Christian.

Basically, whatever the Big Cheese says, some Christians will find a way to back. The idea of Christianity as a rock-solid unwavering foundation for a robust set of morals is utterly contradicted by history.


You left out that tea party favorite, taxes, as in Jesus saying "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's".
 
2011-09-14 01:17:26 PM
FTFA: As an open reproductive rights supporter, I've certainly faced my share of believers accusing me of being an atheist so I can simply indulge my sexual appetites and avoid some abstract true meaning of love.

What in zombie savior's name does you supporting abortion have to do with your sexual proclivities, you conflating douchbag?
 
2011-09-14 01:17:52 PM

brantgoose: Whoops! Once again I proof read after posting.

Er, spot my intentional error.


to be honest, I skipped your entire post
 
2011-09-14 01:17:56 PM

idiocy: Dimensio: The ancient man approached God (or even the gods) as the accused person approaches his judge. For the modem man the roles are reversed. He is the judge: God is in the dock. He is quite a kindly judge: if God should have a reasonable defense for being the god who permits war, poverty, and disease, he is ready to listen to it. The trial may even end in God's acquittal. But the important thing is that man is on the bench and God in the dock. ~ C.S. Lewis

Am I reading this incorrectly or is this an argument for atheism? I judge God to be lacking and I may ultimately decide to acquit. Until then, he can sit in oblivion with all the other failed deities.


Non-existent deities, not failed. Failed implies they actually did something but didn't succeed at it.
 
2011-09-14 01:18:09 PM

snuff3r: I don't want to hear it. I don't want to be aware of it.


Does that seem reasonable to you? That you be kept unaware of a significant aspect of human culture? Do you think it's fair to place that burden on others, to protect your seemingly fragile psyche from pedestrian, everyday thoughts?
 
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