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2011-09-14 12:46:26 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: It's funny how you never see atheists get retarded over Buddhists and their stupid misguided imaginary religion.

90% of Atheists = angry ex-Christians.


I'm sure it's in no way owing to the predominant religion of the culture in which you live .

/get a new troll or sense of perspective; either way
 
2011-09-14 12:46:48 PM  

A challenger appears: The only "problem" I have with Atheists is they spend too much time critizing Christianity and ignore Islam. I understand why though, if you talk crap about Islam they'll blow you up they've never personally met an evangelizing Muslim.


People talk about what they're familiar with.
 
2011-09-14 12:47:11 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: It's funny how you never see atheists get retarded over Buddhists and their stupid misguided imaginary religion.

90% of Atheists = angry ex-Christians.


Are Buddhists in America trying to violate the secular nature of our government?
 
2011-09-14 12:47:16 PM  

GilRuiz1: PC LOAD LETTER: Religion never changes, regardless of what the facts are.

Is Christianity practiced exactly the same way that it was when it was founded?


No, and that's a good point to bring up. Once Christianity clawed its way to the top in Europe, it somehow managed to always provide the moral and religious backing for whatever political trend was in vogue.

Feudalism? The Bible explains clearly why you must submit to your betters.

Monarchy? Here, let me provide the Biblical backing for the Divine Rights of Kings.

Nationalism? Absolutely. It's God's will that you go fight for your country.

Elections? A good, Christian concept. We are all God's children.

Women's suffrage? Bad idea, the Bible clearly states that women must be submissive to the leader of the household.

Women's suffrage? Great idea, those Bible quotes are taken out of context.

Slavery? Oh yes, clearly backed by the Bible.

Abolition of Slavery? Oh yes, clearly backed by the Bible.

Anti-semitism? Tons of Biblical support for that. Go burn some Jews.

Anti-anti-semitism? A moral obligation for any good Christian.

Basically, whatever the Big Cheese says, some Christians will find a way to back. The idea of Christianity as a rock-solid unwavering foundation for a robust set of morals is utterly contradicted by history.
 
2011-09-14 12:47:47 PM  

Shazam999: What's the one where you don't care if He's real or not?

That's the one I tend to be.

Atheists are douches.


Response in kind: You're intellectually lazy and dishonest. And also a douche.
 
rpm
2011-09-14 12:48:28 PM  

Oldiron_79: I'm not in the Atheist or the Theist club, I'm in the Deist club.


Deism has a god. You're theist, just areligious.
 
2011-09-14 12:48:28 PM  
I'm notifying the admins about this thread, because they should know that one user constantly breaks the posting rules.

/hold your breath...
 
2011-09-14 12:48:44 PM  

justtray: "When you've succumbed to arguing that the opposition is just as misguided as you are, it's time to take a step back and rethink your attitudes"


"But republicans voted to raise the Derp Ceiling Derpteen timez!"

I agree!
 
2011-09-14 12:48:56 PM  

Shazam999: Dimensio: Shazam999: Atheists are douches.

Your use of a personal attack does not constitute a logical argument.

Are you a nice person? Do you care if people think you are? If you don't, then why do you care so much about what other people think?


You have still presented no logical argument.
 
2011-09-14 12:48:56 PM  
Ah, I see after visiting this Bevets fellow's website that he has the reasoning ability of a young child. Nevermind.
 
2011-09-14 12:49:04 PM  

Marley'sGirl: TsarTom: Rev. Skarekroe: 1) There are no atheists in foxholes.

That's not a myth, it's just an old saying intended to point out the horrors of war.

Interesting. My take on it was always: "When the chips are down, the important things become apparent." or some such.

/atheist

I interpret it as: "When things get bad enough, even an atheist will ask God for help as a last resort" I believe it to be true - what have you got to lose at that point?


That's... an interesting point. I'm reminded of Dustin Hoffman's character in 'Sphere' at some critical climax in the story:

'I'm an athiest... but flexible'.

Frankly, we're I held up at gunpoint, or in the midst of some similar crisis, I'd probably petition any and every potential hope of rescue in the omniverse such as the police, a neighbour, an MMA fighter, a postal worker, Clint Eastwood, the Coast Guard, Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines, Superman, Batman, Gundams, the UNSC, Starfleet, Yahve, Buddha, Zeus, Ra, anything to even the odds in the face of imminent death.

I do not fear death, just dying. Also, arguments with the girlfriend. Oh, the prayers I have invoked to beings both unknowable and terrifying in the face of her wrath.
 
2011-09-14 12:49:44 PM  

trappedspirit: 2) Atheists are just angry with God.

Well, I've seen a lot that sure do protest too much, and strangely only about the one particular branch of one particular religion they were raised in and haven't been able to shake the guilt of. So yeah, there's some "rebellious teenagers" out there in the quest for defining a personal cosmology. They are usually the loudest and therefore get the most attention.


I'll admit that there's some truth to this. Coming out as an atheist can be a hard thing in a culture that puts a premium on religious beliefs, and I've spoken to more than a few atheists who have been effectively disowned because of it.

When that happens, a certain amount of anger is natural and normal, and it makes sense that it'd be focused on the religion that the person is leaving behind, and you're correct that this does make up a certain fraction of atheist rhetoric and that's it's a fairly vocal segment.

However, I hate the implication that the only good atheist is a quiet atheist. In almost any other area of thought, it's considered perfectly normal to advocate for positions that you believe to be true. We don't, in general, just bash people for espousing political, philosophical, or religious beliefs (although we might bash the specific beliefs and arguments made for them), but there's this weird consensus that atheism is an exception and that it's gauche to make any arguments at all in favor of it when even the sloppiest religious apologist gets a free pass to espouse theism at the expense of atheism.

On principle, I don't like closets, and I think that this attitude is geared towards trying to keep atheists in the closet. Having come from an era where being an open atheist could cost you your job, your family connections, and make you a social pariah, I think that I owe a debt of thanks to people like Dawkins and Hitchens for getting atheism out in the public sphere and for making it easier for people to openly declare their atheism.

Yes, their rhetoric was often obnoxious, but when the polite thing is to be silent and invisible, it may well be the case that you need a bit of confrontationism to break through the social status quo.

To borrow an example from the gay rights movement, chanting "We're here, we're queer, get used to it!" wasn't a very nice thing to say. But it was effective.
 
2011-09-14 12:49:45 PM  
I'd like to rebut point 7. Most peoples' lives are bleak and lack meaning. They just refuse to acknowledge it.
 
2011-09-14 12:49:55 PM  

Sticky Hands: Atheists are like onions.


They make me fart?
 
2011-09-14 12:50:11 PM  

drmda: Is this sarcasm, or did you just confirm myth 3) Atheists are aggressive and rude.


No, but you have just confirmed the existence of "confirmation bias."
 
2011-09-14 12:50:34 PM  
I think arguments like these can only be solved in one way

a nerf war

the rule is, you have to pass a simple test before you will be handed your nerf gun and ammunition
 
2011-09-14 12:50:56 PM  

wumpus: Some people don't like dogs, we need a name for those sons of biatches.


Dyslexic atheists?
 
2011-09-14 12:51:41 PM  
If religion is an invention, it was invented by Atheists. Thanks a lot!
 
2011-09-14 12:51:43 PM  

A challenger appears: The only "problem" I have with Atheists is they spend too much time critizing Christianity and ignore Islam.


For what reason are you lying?
 
2011-09-14 12:51:50 PM  
But targeting people in moments of weakness to sell them religion is regarded as a normal and even virtuous strategy for proselytizing.

My father died from cancer last year on May 28. My dad's service was a celebration of his life. He was a good man, though not really a nice man. My family was stunned by the 400+ people who showed up for his service, including people he'd worked with in Scouts 30 years earlier. It was truly amazing to visualize how many lives my dad had touched in his grumpy 72 years. I knew that even though my dad was gone, a little bit of him lived on in these people. This mostly-secular service was planned by my mom, who is a devout Christian, and despite the fact that my dad was also a devout Christian and an active member in their church. My family wanted a celebration of Dad's life, and that's what we got.

Two months later, my father-in-law died, also from cancer. His service was much smaller, although my father-in-law was just as good a man, but actually nice. His service was 45 minutes long, just like my dad's, but the pastor only talked about how if we accepted Christ into our lives, we'd get to see Ted again. He didn't talk about Ted's accomplishments or his skills or anything like that, just that Jesus would be our path to seeing Ted again. Instead of the celebration Ted deserved (even more so than my dad), we all got a sermon on how to visit Ghost Ted in the afterlife, if only we'd accept Christ's love. It was disappointing and did nothing to comfort those of us who weren't already Christian.

A funeral isn't the time to proselytize, it's the time to comfort.

/last year was really awful, as you can imagine.
 
2011-09-14 12:52:26 PM  
Bevets is the most consistently successful troll here.

Bookman doesn't hold a candle to him
 
2011-09-14 12:52:37 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: It's funny how you never see atheists get retarded over Buddhists and their stupid misguided imaginary religion.

90% of Atheists = angry ex-Christians.


Well, first of all, Buddhism is an atheistic religion anyway.

Second of all, if you are talking about the West, which is most of the postings on Fark, of course most of the people who no longer believe in God are coming out of the religion that 90% of those people are raised as.

Third, ex-Christians have every right to be angry after arriving at an understanding that they've been raised in an utter lie while still having to watch so many of those same lies get used to justify infringements on their lives and freedoms. So fark you, if you're not angry about something like that, you might well be part of the problem.
 
2011-09-14 12:52:38 PM  
I'd rather worship Inanna and hang out with her devotee-slash-prostitutes.

And, hey, maybe we're all wrong. Maybe some of the older religions had it right, and you have to die in battle in order to get into heaven. The rest of us just wander around aimlessly for all eternity. Oh, well.
 
2011-09-14 12:52:43 PM  

s2s2s2: If religion is an invention, it was invented by Atheists. Thanks a lot!


Sorry :(
 
2011-09-14 12:52:47 PM  
Subby attempts to write a pithy and humorous headline for this article, manages to prove he should keep his day job.
 
2011-09-14 12:52:57 PM  

daxxenos:
You're quite right. Let's junk all this religious dogma that keeps interfering with what we want to do. I personally feel we should get rid of all these religious laws that slop over from this whole God thing. I mean, really, "Thou shalt not kill?" That's the first one I'd get rid of. Democrats should be used as targets. Along with their wives, children and pets. Morality is a phoney, religious construct. I should be able to rape, torture and steal to my own satisfaction. Atheists would be the first to agree. Right?


As an atheist, I have a few reason for being moral. But they all really come back to the Golden Rule. You remember that one, right? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Because I am not special. And I don't want to be killed. I don't want to be raped. Or tortured. Or have my things stolen. So I assume others are the same, and cannot justify doing it to them. They are my equals and I will treat them as such.

So when I'm told that there is no atheist morality by a person who believes that they are one of their god's chosen people, I can't help but conclude that their moral code is based on something different than mine. For the simple reason that they believe they are special.

So I do understand why they might have trouble understanding the basis for mine. But it would be nice if they tried.
 
2011-09-14 12:52:59 PM  
Where's a bowl of popcorn when you need it??
 
2011-09-14 12:53:01 PM  

Elvis Christ: [homebrewedtheology.com image 455x568]


Apppear?
 
2011-09-14 12:53:08 PM  

misanthropic1: Hyperbolic Hyperbole: It's funny how you never see atheists get retarded over Buddhists and their stupid misguided imaginary religion.

90% of Atheists = angry ex-Christians.

I'm sure it's in no way owing to the predominant religion of the culture in which you live .

/get a new troll or sense of perspective; either way


I'll do you one better: Buddhism is not a religion in the sense that most people in Western cultures define a religion. Buddhists follow the teachings of Buddha, who himself was just a human, albeit an enlightened human. That is just but one major difference...
 
2011-09-14 12:53:18 PM  
Okay, athiests. Listen up. Earlier today I saw a post on Reddit that had a link to real naked pictures of Scarlette Johansen (sp?). I looked at them and they were clear pictures of her boobs and butt.

My question to you is this: Still think there's no God?
or, alternatively, Where is your no God now?

Boom! God proven!

Bevets, you're welcome.
 
2011-09-14 12:53:23 PM  
Atheist here.

Most of my friends are religious. I love them to death and think they're great people. We even talk about religion sometimes (though I try to avoid it where possible with people I don't know).

I personally don't care what you believe as long as it isn't hurting other people, and you don't insist on shoving it down my throat when I've politely asked you to stop.

I celebrate Easter and Thanksgiving with family, and don't sit in the corner sulking about it.

I know many atheists. Very few of them are angry, or any of the other stereotypes. Like many religious people I've met, most of us just don't care about religion enough to spend a lot of time worrying about it.

If everyone stopped attacking each other for absolutely no good reason, the world would be a much better place.
 
2011-09-14 12:53:46 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Oh good god. Not this thread again.

Don't preach or legislate your beliefs to me, and I will return the favor.


You just don't understand. By not allowing them to legislate their beliefs into laws that everybody else has to follow, you're forcing them to become atheists!
 
2011-09-14 12:53:51 PM  

Bevets: Kome:

Read his posts. He equates science with atheism, so to him he isn't stepping outside of his usual haunts by coming to these threads.

I would think you would have a better handle on my arguments by now.


You don't have any arguments. You have other people's arguments. And you don't even understand those.
 
2011-09-14 12:54:01 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'll admit that there's some truth to this. Coming out as an atheist can be a hard thing in a culture that puts a premium on religious beliefs, and I've spoken to more than a few atheists who have been effectively disowned because of it.

When that happens, a certain amount of anger is natural and normal, and it makes sense that it'd be focused on the religion that the person is leaving behind, and you're correct that this does make up a certain fraction of atheist rhetoric and that's it's a fairly vocal segment.

However, I hate the implication that the only good atheist is a quiet atheist. In almost any other area of thought, it's considered perfectly normal to advocate for positions that you believe to be true. We don't, in general, just bash people for espousing political, philosophical, or religious beliefs (although we might bash the specific beliefs and arguments made for them), but there's this weird consensus that atheism is an exception and that it's gauche to make any arguments at all in favor of it when even the sloppiest religious apologist gets a free pass to espouse theism at the expense of atheism.

On principle, I don't like closets, and I think that this attitude is geared towards trying to keep atheists in the closet. Having come from an era where being an open atheist could cost you your job, your family connections, and make you a social pariah, I think that I owe a debt of thanks to people like Dawkins and Hitchens for getting atheism out in the public sphere and for making it easier for people to openly declare their atheism.

Yes, their rhetoric was often obnoxious, but when the polite thing is to be silent and invisible, it may well be the case that you need a bit of confrontationism to break through the social status quo.

To borrow an example from the gay rights movement, chanting "We're here, we're queer, get used to it!" wasn't a very nice thing to say. But it was effective.


You sound uppity.

+1
 
2011-09-14 12:54:27 PM  

Bevets: Kome:

Read his posts. He equates science with atheism, so to him he isn't stepping outside of his usual haunts by coming to these threads.

I would think you would have a better handle on my arguments by now.


I have observed no occasion upon which you have presented any actual argument.
 
2011-09-14 12:54:55 PM  
Wow, Fark is really on a big anti-atheist campaign lately. Is Bevets giving the mods head or something?
 
2011-09-14 12:55:16 PM  

FitzShivering: If everyone stopped attacking each other for absolutely no good reason, the world would be a much better place.


You're asking kind of a lot there. What the fark would we do with all those guns, just to start? Jeez.
 
2011-09-14 12:55:28 PM  

Selfabortion:
Third, ex-Christians have every right to be angry after arriving at an understanding that they've been raised in an utter lie while still having to watch so many of those same lies get used to justify infringements on their lives and freedoms. So fark you, if you're not angry about something like that, you might well be part of the problem.


People who call them selves Christians should be angry about the injustices done in their deities name, along with what you mentioned.

insert Gandhi quote about Christians here.
 
2011-09-14 12:55:55 PM  

A challenger appears: The only "problem" I have with Atheists is they spend too much time critizing Christianity and ignore Islam. I understand why though, if you talk crap about Islam they'll blow you up, if you talk crap about Christianity they'll usually just pray for you or leer at your unapprovingly.


Just wait a couple Centuries. I'm sure it will change.

You wouldn't see to many Atheists talking smack about Christianity in the 13th century.

Love thy neighbor and all that. Haha.
 
2011-09-14 12:56:11 PM  
sigh


A very long time ago, when people had no clue how the fark anything worked, they all sat around making up reasons and hoping there was something out there watching over them, providing for them, and protecting them.

They continued to believe this despite all of the evidence to the contrary. Well sure that flood killed almost the entire village, but I was spared. The gods protected me!

Then religion became organized and powerful. So powerful that when science started to show us what was really going on, religion fought it to the point of murdering the people who were making important discoveries. Burning them and their books. Or in more civilized areas just making them outcasts or jailing them.

Today, thousands and thousands of years later, when most people are no longer afraid of the dark, these religions are still trying to hold us back.

What makes them still relevant? Well, for starters, it's about the only acceptable way to legally discriminate against entire groups of people. You can hate gays, heathens, and folks of other religions (Or no religion) because you LOVE god and you're only doing what your book and your leaders tell you to do.

It started out providing comfort, then became about wealth and power, and now it clings to life by shear hatred of anyone who is different...
 
2011-09-14 12:56:12 PM  

s2s2s2: Gurrker: Faith in mankind is the bane of mankind.


I would have faith in mankind if there were no religion.
 
2011-09-14 12:56:44 PM  

Bevets: SQUAWK


And now that our irrelevant parroting, quote-mining, and blatant appeals to authority out of the way, I'd like to know which 9 subby thinks author of TFA is guilty of. I think that'd be more telling of subby than the author, mind.
 
2011-09-14 12:56:51 PM  

ajt167: Okay, athiests. Listen up. Earlier today I saw a post on Reddit that had a link to real naked pictures of Scarlette Johansen (sp?). I looked at them and they were clear pictures of her boobs and butt.

My question to you is this: Still think there's no God?
or, alternatively, Where is your no God now?

Boom! God proven!

Bevets, you're welcome.


they could argue she's proof that natural selection and evolution will eventually acheieve perfection
 
2011-09-14 12:57:11 PM  

wumpus: Atheist is not my word. I don't need a word for something that isn't. I don't need a word because I'm not into basketball or knitting. As far as I'm concerned, you have a hobby that I'm not keen on. Some people don't like dogs, we need a name for those sons of biatches.


I think that atheism is analogous to the word "hole". A hole isn't a something, it's an absence of the thing surrounding it and it only exists in that context.

A hole in a board is prominent because of the wood around it. Remove the wood and the hole disappears.

As long as theism is the majority state, and as long as theists use theism to do important things like craft laws, I think that it's reasonable to have a word to describe its absence.

And, maybe one day, just like a hole without anything around it, the term will be made obsolete by becoming ubiquitous.
 
2011-09-14 12:57:12 PM  

kgf: Shazam999: What's the one where you don't care if He's real or not?

That's the one I tend to be.

Atheists are douches.

If you don't care and you don't believe, you're already an atheist, so you just called yourself a douche.

If you don't care and you do believe, you're an idiot because you don't realize the absurdity of your own viewpoint.

So which is it - douche or idiot? I'm guessing you're an idiot.


He's an idiot because you're too small minded to grasp what he meant?
 
2011-09-14 12:57:43 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: It's funny how you never see atheists get retarded over Buddhists and their stupid misguided imaginary religion.

90% of Atheists = angry ex-Christians.


you sound sad so ill play, do Buddhists make you retarded? They seem to have found a balance with what they believe and what others don't, some religions seem more upset with people who wont pick a team at all than those who pick someone elses team. I would like to think that religions are based in a root of good but most are just used to control masses for their own benefit.

I just tend to believe I have to take credit for things that go right and wrong in my life, I believe I can live a good life without the fear of a boogyman or reward in the end of it

I believe that if there was a god, saying someone wont be allowed into heaven even though they lived a life according to the rules set out but did so on their own accord, without knowing or believing in a god is acceptable...

but sending a child molester or murder to hell who repented and devoted his last bit of life to god is not okay..

This would mean that if there was a god, then gods kind of an attention whore to say the least...
 
2011-09-14 12:57:51 PM  
Using a number less than 9 would have been a more successful troll.
 
2011-09-14 12:57:54 PM  

StaleCoffee: Sorry :(


I forgive you, but not because of religion. I have evolved to know getting along is better.
 
2011-09-14 12:58:08 PM  

A challenger appears: The only "problem" I have with Atheists is they spend too much time critizing Christianity and ignore Islam. I understand why though, if you talk crap about Islam they'll blow you up, if you talk crap about Christianity they'll usually just pray for you or leer at your unapprovingly.


Yeah, why attack only christianity?
 
2011-09-14 12:58:11 PM  

Surool: Wow, Fark is really on a big anti-atheist campaign lately. Is Bevets giving the mods head or something?


he's really the glowing chicken on top of the fark server
 
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