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2011-09-14 12:31:24 PM

A challenger appears: The only "problem" I have with Atheists is they spend too much time critizing Christianity and ignore Islam. I understand why though, if you talk crap about Islam they'll blow you up, if you talk crap about Christianity they'll usually just pray for you or leer at your unapprovingly.


7/10, though I may revise this score depending how many bites you get.
 
2011-09-14 12:31:42 PM
Kome:

Read his posts. He equates science with atheism, so to him he isn't stepping outside of his usual haunts by coming to these threads.

I would think you would have a better handle on my arguments by now.
 
2011-09-14 12:31:47 PM
Which 9, Subby?
 
2011-09-14 12:32:09 PM
Faith is the bane of mankind.
 
2011-09-14 12:32:26 PM

Kome: StaleCoffee: Bevets must be close to level if he's looking for troll XP outside of the evolution threads.

Read his posts. He equates science with atheism, so to him he isn't stepping outside of his usual haunts by coming to these threads.


It must suck when he wants to boil water.

I guess I need to reassess my beliefs regarding where Bevets trolls, then.
 
2011-09-14 12:32:38 PM

daxxenos: You're quite right. Let's junk all this religious dogma that keeps interfering with what we want to do. I personally feel we should get rid of all these religious laws that slop over from this whole God thing. I mean, really, "Thou shalt not kill?" That's the first one I'd get rid of. Democrats should be used as targets. Along with their wives, children and pets. Morality is a phoney, religious construct. I should be able to rape, torture and steal to my own satisfaction.
Atheists would be the first to agree. Right?


I'm sorry, there's a law specifically called "Thou Shalt Not Kill"? Does the military know about this? They clearly are in violation. And Governor Perry too, since he's had 240+ people executed.

Or are you talking about homicide laws, which are more than one single law and cover a myriad of situations from involuntary manslaughter to first degree murder? Because I don't think "thou shalt not kill" quite covers it, do you?
 
2011-09-14 12:33:02 PM

JPJ007: IamSporko: Sticky Hands: Atheists are like onions.

They're delicious when battered and fried?

Who isn't?


Mormons?
 
2011-09-14 12:33:05 PM

Gurrker: Faith in mankind is the bane of mankind.

 
2011-09-14 12:33:09 PM

ApeShaft: The Swedish perspective:

I live in a country where around 80% are atheists. Most of my friends think of god in the same way that we think of santa claus. Sure, he might have a secret hideout on the north pole - but it seems pretty unlikely. So if you ask me why I don't belive in god I answer with a question in return: Why don't you belive in Santa?


Why don't you just hike down the street to the North Pole to see if God and Santa actually are there? You're in a privileged position to research this for the rest of us! I'll await your report.
 
kgf
2011-09-14 12:33:19 PM

FireBreathingLiberal: Bevets: 6) Atheists don't have a moral code.

1. Do the right thing for fear of eternal suffering and damnation?
2. Do the right thing because it's right?


Which is "moral"?


THIS.

Bevets, I ask you: Who is more moral, the man who refrains from harming others because of fear of eternity in Hell, or the man who refrains from harming others because he chooses to of his own free will?

The one bad thing about being an atheist is that when we're both dead, since there is no afterlife I won't be able to remind you that I was right.

/Childish? Yes. Immoral? No.
 
2011-09-14 12:33:41 PM

TsarTom: Rev. Skarekroe: 1) There are no atheists in foxholes.

That's not a myth, it's just an old saying intended to point out the horrors of war.

Interesting. My take on it was always: "When the chips are down, the important things become apparent." or some such.

/atheist


I interpret it as: "When things get bad enough, even an atheist will ask God for help as a last resort" I believe it to be true - what have you got to lose at that point?
 
2011-09-14 12:33:50 PM

s2s2s2: Gurrker: Faith in mankind is the bane of God's reputation.

 
2011-09-14 12:34:09 PM

IamSporko: JPJ007: IamSporko: Sticky Hands: Atheists are like onions.

They're delicious when battered and fried?

Who isn't?

Mormons


You have to shuck them out of the magic underwear first. Common mistake.
 
2011-09-14 12:34:12 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Religion never changes, regardless of what the facts are.


Sure it does. Just listen to a Christian defend their non-Christian behaviors. What is acceptable to God changes on a minute-to-minute basis depending on whatever situation they happen to be in at the moment.

"Pre-marital sex is a sin and an abomination unto the Lord!! You're all going to burn in hell!!"

"Uh, your teenage daughter is pregnant."

"Well, at least she didn't use birth control!! Using birth control is an even bigger sin than premarital sex!"

"They used a condom, but it broke."

"Uh, well, um, at least she didn't have an abortion! That is the true crime in the eyes of the Lord!"

"Yeah, about that - she had an abortion."

"Her situation was different! That doesn't count! At least she's not a dirty homosexual!!"

"I hate to tell you this, but...."

"LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!"
 
2011-09-14 12:34:38 PM

Oldiron_79: Many people who call themselves Atheists are actually Anti-theists.

Pretty much if you get a kick out of annoying theists and actually give 2 shiats what theists do you are an anti-theist, not an Atheist.

Anti-theists are to Atheists what Westboro Baptist type fundies are to Theists.


Anti-Theism is something specific, as is Theism and Atheism.

Just because you think some folks are assholes doesn't mean you get to redefine them out of your social club. See: Scottish Christians.
 
2011-09-14 12:35:54 PM

iollow: "Misunderstandings" would be a better word, save "myths" for the religious.


If you RTFA, you would see that the article is about the myths that religious people hold about atheists.

In other words, the writer of the article already did what you are suggesting.
 
2011-09-14 12:35:57 PM

kgf: The one bad thing about being an atheist is that when we're both dead, since there is no afterlife I won't be able to remind you that I was right.


Well, at least at that point you won't care about it.
 
2011-09-14 12:36:01 PM

IamSporko: JPJ007: IamSporko: Sticky Hands: Atheists are like onions.

They're delicious when battered and fried?

Who isn't?

Mormons?


Yeah, the special underwear still tastes like shiat even with batter.
 
2011-09-14 12:36:43 PM

pwhp_67: Let's get this all out of the way:


Bald is a hair color.
Not collecting stamps is a hobby.
Just because you can't see the purple unicorn in my living room doesn't prove it isn't there.


I take it as an article of faith that I am seeing this on the internet.
 
2011-09-14 12:38:02 PM

wiregeek: Sticky Hands: Atheists are like onions.

delicious when diced in my mashed potatoes?


What kind of Philistine puts onions in mashed potatos?
 
2011-09-14 12:38:09 PM
As an ethical guide, religion has largely been descriptive and not prescriptive. Religion does not provide an absolute, unchanging rock upon which one can build a moral society. Instead, religion codifies the ethics of the society containing it and assigns to them cosmic import.
 
2011-09-14 12:38:11 PM

daxxenos: I personally feel we should get rid of all these religious laws that slop over from this whole God thing. I mean, really, "Thou shalt not kill?" That's the first one I'd get rid of. Democrats should be used as targets. Along with their wives, children and pets. Morality is a phoney, religious construct. I should be able to rape, torture and steal to my own satisfaction.


So you are a psychopath who only does the right thing because the preacher that raped you when you were 10 told you those were bad things?

You really can't figure out why some things are wrong if an invisible sky fairy, speaking through some guy with good hair on TV doesn't tell you?
 
2011-09-14 12:38:14 PM
Can't believe I haven't seen that lovely last resort, "B-b-but what you're WRONG????????"
 
2011-09-14 12:38:20 PM

The Face Of Oblivion: Amanda Marcotte co-writes the blog Pandagon. She is the author of It's a Jungle Out There: The Feminist Survival Guide to Politically Inhospitable Environments.

Ms. Marcotte is not an atheist. She just believes in particularly ridiculous supernatural things and regards them as non-supernatural.

/actual atheist


She's also not a true Scotswoman.
 
2011-09-14 12:38:23 PM
Oh you sillies!

The important thing is that atheists can be tied to the belt, which is the style at this time. You don't want the white athiests, because of the angst and the macbooks (iProducts are ok) and stupid clothes. The best ones you can get are those yellow ones or fine brown.
 
2011-09-14 12:39:36 PM
Atheist is not my word. I don't need a word for something that isn't. I don't need a word because I'm not into basketball or knitting. As far as I'm concerned, you have a hobby that I'm not keen on. Some people don't like dogs, we need a name for those sons of biatches.
 
2011-09-14 12:40:30 PM
I'm not sure why we all still argue about religion when it is pretty clear that we all live inside the matrix anyway. Weren't those 3 documentaries just thrilling to watch?
 
2011-09-14 12:40:30 PM
StaleCoffee: Oldiron_79: Many people who call themselves Atheists are actually Anti-theists.

Pretty much if you get a kick out of annoying theists and actually give 2 shiats what theists do you are an anti-theist, not an Atheist.

Anti-theists are to Atheists what Westboro Baptist type fundies are to Theists.

Anti-Theism is something specific, as is Theism and Atheism.

Just because you think some folks are assholes doesn't mean you get to redefine them out of your social club. See: Scottish Christians.


I'm not in the Atheist or the Theist club, I'm in the Deist club.
 
2011-09-14 12:40:54 PM
God put atheist on earth to feed the dinosaurs but the devil killed them off with a climate changing comet.
 
2011-09-14 12:41:01 PM

wumpus: Some people don't like dogs, we need a name for those sons of biatches.


Acaniphile.
 
kgf
2011-09-14 12:42:02 PM

Shazam999: What's the one where you don't care if He's real or not?

That's the one I tend to be.

Atheists are douches.


If you don't care and you don't believe, you're already an atheist, so you just called yourself a douche.

If you don't care and you do believe, you're an idiot because you don't realize the absurdity of your own viewpoint.

So which is it - douche or idiot? I'm guessing you're an idiot.
 
2011-09-14 12:42:18 PM
Oh good god. Not this thread again.

Don't preach or legislate your beliefs to me, and I will return the favor.
 
2011-09-14 12:42:20 PM

uprislng: I'm not sure why we all still argue about religion when it is pretty clear that we all live inside the matrix anyway. Weren't those 3 documentaries just thrilling to watch?


The first one was, the second was visually okay but not much else, finally the third one made me believe in god only so I could have someone to blame for it...
 
2011-09-14 12:42:41 PM
Unfortunately, many Christians see the minor tweaks to Christmas as destroying the holidays.

I'd prefer to keep celebrating Christmas in the secular way I have for the past 5-6 years, but some in my extended family as well as my in-laws made it abundantly clear they did not believe atheists should be celebrating Christmas last year. They then wondered why my wife and I got rather upset with them, as if a "Well, we didn't mean you!" was going to be enough to apologize.
 
2011-09-14 12:42:48 PM

Grenwulf: Some 'Splainin' To Do 2011-09-14 11:09:58 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: 1) There are no atheists in foxholes.

That's not a myth, it's just an old saying intended to point out the horrors of war.

I don't much care about this saying, one way or the other, but I've talked to atheist veterans who absolutely farking hate it when people say that.

Count me in that group.
Hardest thing ever was to convince S1 to actually put "Atheist" on my dog tags instead of "No Religious Preference"


And it had never occured to you that using the term "no religious preference" means you belong to no group nor belief system while insisting on having it replaced with the term "atheist" implies you strongly beleive that you are the member of a particualr belief system?
 
2011-09-14 12:42:52 PM

kgf: Bevets, I ask you: Who is more moral, the man who refrains from harming others because of fear of eternity in Hell, or the man who refrains from harming others because he chooses to of his own free will?


Weith or not there is fear of punishment, they are both acting of their own free will. Fear of punishment does not take away free will. I'm my experiance though, fear of hell simpley or desire of heaven isn't much of a motivator at all. The thiests I know that are truly good and moral people siimpley are so, much like that athiests that are. I've know more that my share of thiests that say more or less" I'm going to hell for this... oh well"
 
2011-09-14 12:42:53 PM

muck4doo: 11.) Many atheists spend lots of time talking about their non-beliefs on the internet.

TRUE


Speak for yourself, man!

(whoops)
 
2011-09-14 12:42:55 PM

wumpus: Some people don't like dogs, we need a name for those sons of biatches.


Koreans? Vietnamese? I guess a different kind of love doesn't qualify. NM.
 
2011-09-14 12:43:19 PM
It's funny how you never see atheists get retarded over Buddhists and their stupid misguided imaginary religion.

90% of Atheists = angry ex-Christians.
 
2011-09-14 12:43:34 PM
Love me a good Bevets thread. He comes in, drops one off, and you all eat it up. If you have been here more than 6 months, you should know better.

Don't stop though. It's entertaining.
 
2011-09-14 12:43:48 PM
Best part -
"I always flinch in embarrassment for the believer who trots out, "Atheism is just another kind of faith," because it's a tacit admission that taking claims on faith is a silly thing to do. When you've succumbed to arguing that the opposition is just as misguided as you are, it's time to take a step back and rethink your attitudes."

Guess Bevets missed that one. What a moron.
 
2011-09-14 12:43:51 PM
Bevets is like a metaphor for science, he's a mathematical constant. You can always count on him to be wrong in exactly the same way.
 
2011-09-14 12:43:53 PM

wumpus: Atheist is not my word. I don't need a word for something that isn't.


But you see these are religious people - they have a whole book about a guy who isn't.
 
2011-09-14 12:44:23 PM

snuff3r: As an atheist i couldn't care less what you religious people believe - personally, i think you're all braindamaged to have not let go of the beliefs I had as a six year old. But in the course of my day, i couldn't give a rats ass about any of you and what you believe in. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to be aware of it. I don't want you to force your beliefs on me or my kids. I want you to keep it to yourselves. Religion shouldn't play a part in politics, the office, the classroom and especially in regards to how the country is run.

If you step over that line, then I will make it clear where I stand. Religious people can call me rude, lacking in morals, etc, but honestly, i can't see past the shiat you're displaying far enough to allow me the ability to care what you think.

I don't need you to tolerate me, i need you to keep your personal beliefs to yourselves.



Is this sarcasm, or did you just confirm myth 3) Atheists are aggressive and rude.
 
2011-09-14 12:44:32 PM

Oldiron_79: StaleCoffee: Oldiron_79: Many people who call themselves Atheists are actually Anti-theists.

Pretty much if you get a kick out of annoying theists and actually give 2 shiats what theists do you are an anti-theist, not an Atheist.

Anti-theists are to Atheists what Westboro Baptist type fundies are to Theists.

Anti-Theism is something specific, as is Theism and Atheism.

Just because you think some folks are assholes doesn't mean you get to redefine them out of your social club. See: Scottish Christians.

I'm not in the Atheist or the Theist club, I'm in the Deist club.


So you're demonstrably wrong. Okay. Doesn't change what I said.
 
2011-09-14 12:44:40 PM

Jackson Herring: daxxenos: You're quite right. Let's junk all this religious dogma that keeps interfering with what we want to do. I personally feel we should get rid of all these religious laws that slop over from this whole God thing. I mean, really, "Thou shalt not kill?" That's the first one I'd get rid of. Democrats should be used as targets. Along with their wives, children and pets. Morality is a phoney, religious construct. I should be able to rape, torture and steal to my own satisfaction.

farkin hell you're dumb.


The scary thing is it implies the only reason daxxenos isn't raping, torturing, and stealing is fear of god, and if god didn't exist, he would do those things.

Scarier still is his hatred of his fellow Americans that also happen to be Democrats and desire to see them dead.
 
2011-09-14 12:45:18 PM

Ennuipoet: One, I have a moral code and two, I know the laws of humanity will punish me. The laws of god, not so much.


I think it goes deeper than that. I think human kind, in general, has an imbedded "moral code". It may be that our ancestors instilled in us a "fear of god", but in general, we are mostly good.

If any of you haven't read it, there is a book that deals with this issue titled Towing Jehovah, by James Morrow. It's a rather good read.
 
2011-09-14 12:45:29 PM

Oldiron_79: I'm not in the Atheist or the Theist club, I'm in the Deist club.


Mind explaining your position, then? Most self-described deists I've met seem to either just equate God with nature, or just say God was the Prime Mover (or First Cause) and that's it. What are your thoughts on God?
 
2011-09-14 12:45:33 PM
PC LOAD LETTER

CS Lewis was **NOT** a fundamentalist.

I dont think you know what the word means.
 
2011-09-14 12:46:04 PM

Bevets: Kome:

Read his posts. He equates science with atheism, so to him he isn't stepping outside of his usual haunts by coming to these threads.

I would think you would have a better handle on my arguments by now.


Your arguments? You don't have any, when you get right down to it. You have quotes from scientists you understand poorly and/or use out of context, you have quotes from shills and liars that you promote as if they had some kind of authority, all of which you use because you are motivated by an irrational need to defend your dogmatic worldview from perceived threats.

You don't have arguments. You have talking points you repeat, primarily to yourself, to protect yourself against the anxiety and cognitive dissonance you experience due to holding on to irrational beliefs as part of your identiy and sense of self that are constantly challenged at a fundamental and inescapabl level by science, simply as an inadvertent consequence of science simply existing. Your fear of being wrong, of having your cherished ideas that for you simply must be true shown to instead be empty myths drives you to obsession.

It's pitiable, really. In all this time you have been so zealously posting on Fark and elsewhere, you have not learned one single new thing, and meanwhile science has marched onwards and learned yet more about the universe, making you even more irrelevant.
 
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