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2011-09-14 08:52:01 AM
10) Atheists are out to destroy Christmas.

What an atheist may look like:

t3.gstatic.com
 
2011-09-14 09:18:17 AM
Atheists are just jealous of Jesus's ripped abs.
 
2011-09-14 09:21:19 AM
1) There are no atheists in foxholes.

That's not a myth, it's just an old saying intended to point out the horrors of war.
 
2011-09-14 09:27:46 AM
2) Atheists are just angry with God. Atheists often point out the logical inconsistencies of many religious beliefs---such as the belief both that God is all-good and all-powerful, but he somehow also allows evil to exist---and believers use that to conclude that atheists are angry with God.

The ancient man approached God (or even the gods) as the accused person approaches his judge. For the modem man the roles are reversed. He is the judge: God is in the dock. He is quite a kindly judge: if God should have a reasonable defense for being the god who permits war, poverty, and disease, he is ready to listen to it. The trial may even end in God's acquittal. But the important thing is that man is on the bench and God in the dock. ~ C.S. Lewis

5) Atheism is just a faith like any other.

We all believe, as an article of faith, that life evolved from dead matter on this planet. It is just that its complexity is so great, it is hard for us to imagine that it did. ~ Harold Urey

6) Atheists don't have a moral code.

Acting morally and having a philosophical justification for your actions are two separate issues.
 
2011-09-14 09:28:05 AM

kronicfeld: Atheists are just jealous of Jesus's ripped abs.


and his swimmer's bod?

/rock me sexy Jesus
 
2011-09-14 09:28:33 AM
I got as far as "pleading for tolerance of atheists".

As an atheist i couldn't care less what you religious people believe - personally, i think you're all braindamaged to have not let go of the beliefs I had as a six year old. But in the course of my day, i couldn't give a rats ass about any of you and what you believe in. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to be aware of it. I don't want you to force your beliefs on me or my kids. I want you to keep it to yourselves. Religion shouldn't play a part in politics, the office, the classroom and especially in regards to how the country is run.

If you step over that line, then I will make it clear where I stand. Religious people can call me rude, lacking in morals, etc, but honestly, i can't see past the shiat you're displaying far enough to allow me the ability to care what you think.

I don't need you to tolerate me, i need you to keep your personal beliefs to yourselves.
 
2011-09-14 09:43:29 AM
Ah good, the approved quote-bot is here.
 
2011-09-14 09:48:14 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: 1) There are no atheists in foxholes.

That's not a myth, it's just an old saying intended to point out the horrors of war.


An ironic one at that. How anyone can be in the middle of a war zone and think, "there is an all-loving, all-powerful god" is beyond me.
 
2011-09-14 09:56:18 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: 1) There are no atheists in foxholes.

That's not a myth, it's just an old saying intended to point out the horrors of war.


Interesting. My take on it was always: "When the chips are down, the important things become apparent." or some such.

/atheist
 
2011-09-14 10:00:58 AM

Bevets: 6) Atheists don't have a moral code.

Acting morally and having a philosophical justification for your actions are two separate issues.




I think this one bothers the me the most. If atheist don't have a moral code but only a philosophical justification for not murdering doctors, blowing up abortion clinics, flying planes into buildings and stealing candy from babies, why are the prisons not full of atheists? If we are so amoral where are the atheist crimes of passion? Why are we not killing everyone that offends us? Why aren't atheists killing their wives for cheating on them? Why aren't atheists robbing banks? After all, we have no moral code to prevent us from acting any way we choose.

To put it another way, considering the how much people like Bevets annoy me, why have I not beat them severely with a Ball Peen Hammer? One, I have a moral code and two, I know the laws of humanity will punish me. The laws of god, not so much.
 
2011-09-14 10:18:32 AM

Ennuipoet: Bevets: 6) Atheists don't have a moral code.

Acting morally and having a philosophical justification for your actions are two separate issues.



I think this one bothers the me the most. If atheist don't have a moral code but only a philosophical justification for not murdering doctors, blowing up abortion clinics, flying planes into buildings and stealing candy from babies, why are the prisons not full of atheists? If we are so amoral where are the atheist crimes of passion? Why are we not killing everyone that offends us? Why aren't atheists killing their wives for cheating on them? Why aren't atheists robbing banks? After all, we have no moral code to prevent us from acting any way we choose.

To put it another way, considering the how much people like Bevets annoy me, why have I not beat them severely with a Ball Peen Hammer? One, I have a moral code and two, I know the laws of humanity will punish me. The laws of god, not so much.


All well and good, but talk your way out of this picture, Mr. Atheist:

www.jonco48.com
 
2011-09-14 10:18:47 AM
I thought that was very well written. Exactly how does that confirm your myths subby? Subby? Subby? where are you? If your going to take a shot like that have the guts to show up and defend it.

Oh well that confirms one of my myths about religious people. They are often cowards when attempting to have an honest conversation with athiests.
 
2011-09-14 10:25:04 AM
Bevets:

Acting morally and having a philosophical justification for your actions are two separate issues.

Ennuipoet:

If atheist don't have a moral code but only a philosophical justification for not murdering doctors, blowing up abortion clinics, flying planes into buildings and stealing candy from babies, why are the prisons not full of atheists? If we are so amoral where are the atheist crimes of passion? Why are we not killing everyone that offends us?

You missed my point.
 
2011-09-14 10:35:48 AM
Bevets: 6) Atheists don't have a moral code.

1. Do the right thing for fear of eternal suffering and damnation?
2. Do the right thing because it's right?


Which is "moral"?
 
2011-09-14 10:41:19 AM

Bevets: C.S. Lewis


Fundamentalist Christian's opinions are Fundamentalist.

Bevets: We all believe, as an article of faith, that life evolved from dead matter on this planet. It is just that its complexity is so great, it is hard for us to imagine that it did. ~ Harold Urey


He really said "article of faith"? What an idiot.

Christians worship their own people's words so heavily, they assume the other folks do the same for their own people. The difference between you and us is that we are comfortable calling folks on our side idiots when they prove themselves to be.

Science changes according to the facts.

Religion never changes, regardless of what the facts are.
 
2011-09-14 10:42:22 AM

Bevets: Acting morally and having a philosophical justification for your actions are two separate issues.


What is morality, my good friend Euthyphro?
 
2011-09-14 10:52:50 AM
11.) Many atheists spend lots of time talking about their non-beliefs on the internet.

TRUE
 
2011-09-14 11:06:17 AM

kronicfeld: Atheists are just jealous of Jesus's ripped abs.


Damn. Exposed for the fraud I am.
 
2011-09-14 11:09:58 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: 1) There are no atheists in foxholes.

That's not a myth, it's just an old saying intended to point out the horrors of war.


I don't much care about this saying, one way or the other, but I've talked to atheist veterans who absolutely farking hate it when people say that.
 
2011-09-14 11:23:01 AM
Oh, boy, this again.
 
2011-09-14 11:25:10 AM
Atheists come in two flavors:

Atheists with problems. These people are atheists like Adam Carola. They only bring up their atheism when prompted and don't try to convert you or even argue about it. They have other fish to fry. Half the time, you might not even notice they're atheists unless you ask them directly about it.

Atheists without problems. These people are like any other missionaries. They are out to tell you how great it is to be an atheist and how and why you should be an atheist too. These people have nothing meaningful in their lives to deal with. If they did, they'd be too busy dealing with it.
 
2011-09-14 11:28:33 AM
Help! I got atheists in my hole!


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-09-14 11:52:30 AM
1) There are no atheists in foxholes.


If that's really the case, I'll believe whatever she wants me to believe:

i212.photobucket.com
 
2011-09-14 12:01:30 PM

kronicfeld: Atheists are just jealous of Jesus's ripped abs.


This.
 
2011-09-14 12:01:44 PM

Bevets: 2) Atheists are just angry with God. Atheists often point out the logical inconsistencies of many religious beliefs---such as the belief both that God is all-good and all-powerful, but he somehow also allows evil to exist---and believers use that to conclude that atheists are angry with God.

The ancient man approached God (or even the gods) as the accused person approaches his judge. For the modem man the roles are reversed. He is the judge: God is in the dock. He is quite a kindly judge: if God should have a reasonable defense for being the god who permits war, poverty, and disease, he is ready to listen to it. The trial may even end in God's acquittal. But the important thing is that man is on the bench and God in the dock. ~ C.S. Lewis

5) Atheism is just a faith like any other.

We all believe, as an article of faith, that life evolved from dead matter on this planet. It is just that its complexity is so great, it is hard for us to imagine that it did. ~ Harold Urey

6) Atheists don't have a moral code.

Acting morally and having a philosophical justification for your actions are two separate issues.


I am curious, Bevets: you have been informed previously that "quote mining" is an intellectually dishonest practice. For what reason, then, do you persist in engagement of this intellectually dishonest practice? Additionally, for what reason should any statement issued by you be considered to be credible given your reliance upon intellectually dishonest practices?
 
2011-09-14 12:04:38 PM
What's the one where you don't care if He's real or not?

That's the one I tend to be.

Atheists are douches.
 
2011-09-14 12:05:05 PM

RexTalionis: Oh, boy, this again.


Aaand this.
 
2011-09-14 12:05:41 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Religion never changes, regardless of what the facts are.


Is Christianity practiced exactly the same way that it was when it was founded? Is Judaism? Islam? Buddhism? Hinduism? Have they ever experienced change?
 
2011-09-14 12:06:26 PM
I'm disappointed to see that I have something in common with Amanda Marcotte.
 
2011-09-14 12:06:43 PM
2) Atheists are just angry with God.

Well, I've seen a lot that sure do protest too much, and strangely only about the one particular branch of one particular religion they were raised in and haven't been able to shake the guilt of. So yeah, there's some "rebellious teenagers" out there in the quest for defining a personal cosmology. They are usually the loudest and therefore get the most attention.
 
2011-09-14 12:06:46 PM
Atheists are hedonists

Is that bad?
 
2011-09-14 12:07:04 PM
Atheists stay crunchy, even in milk!
 
2011-09-14 12:07:07 PM

Bevets: Bevets:

Acting morally and having a philosophical justification for your actions are two separate issues.

Ennuipoet:

If atheist don't have a moral code but only a philosophical justification for not murdering doctors, blowing up abortion clinics, flying planes into buildings and stealing candy from babies, why are the prisons not full of atheists? If we are so amoral where are the atheist crimes of passion? Why are we not killing everyone that offends us?

You missed my point.


So you are telling me that since Christians would not otherwise act in a right manner and might murder me if it weren't for their God... that they are psychopaths?
 
2011-09-14 12:07:27 PM
don't you have an ark to find or something bevets? I get it, you feel compelled to try to "save" us. But you know what, some of us don't want to be saved by your people
 
2011-09-14 12:07:35 PM
If you asked me how I could fervently not believe in god and still fervently object to being called an atheist, I would have to point you to this article.

You don't get to speak for all atheists, bimbo. Period. You're not the pope of atheism (that's Dawkins, duh.) You don't get to speak for the beliefs of atheists, aside from the obvious one. You need to STFU and move on.
 
2011-09-14 12:07:42 PM
"Misunderstandings" would be a better word, save "myths" for the religious.
 
2011-09-14 12:08:37 PM

Shazam999: What's the one where you don't care if He's real or not?

That's the one I tend to be.

Atheists are douches.


mmmmmm, 6/10

/that's being generous
 
2011-09-14 12:08:59 PM
I have been an atheist since i was 15...it's painfully obvious that this god thing is just a scam...surely...???? i mean really?? Does anyone actually believe in that crap ??
 
2011-09-14 12:09:10 PM

doglover: Atheists come in two flavors:

Atheists with problems. These people are atheists like Adam Carola. They only bring up their atheism when prompted and don't try to convert you or even argue about it. They have other fish to fry. Half the time, you might not even notice they're atheists unless you ask them directly about it.

Atheists without problems. These people are like any other missionaries. They are out to tell you how great it is to be an atheist and how and why you should be an atheist too. These people have nothing meaningful in their lives to deal with. If they did, they'd be too busy dealing with it.


Let's try this with other groups to see if we're just being a wee bit too simplistic:

Women with problems...
Women without problems...

Gays with problems...
Gays without problems...

Jews with problems...
Jews without problems...

Hispanics with problems...
Hispanics without problems...

Christians with problems...
Christians without problems...

Vegetarians with problems...
Vegetarians without problems...

Steelers fans with problems...
Steelers fans without problems...

Yea, I'm thinking you're being a bit too black-and-white in your characterization of atheists. Like any other group - majority or minority - it's really hard to shove everyone into one or two boxes just because actually getting to know the diversity within a group is difficult for lazy people. Especially when the boxes can be boiled down to "people in this group I can ignore and maintain my established worldview as perfectly correct" and "people in this group that I don't want to acknowledge but aren't quiet about being in this group".
 
2011-09-14 12:09:55 PM
If you don't believe in God, why don't you shoot yourself in the foot!
 
2011-09-14 12:10:12 PM
I was on my way to the emergency room with chest pains and I didn't try to bargain with God. I was calm...

...I was cured...
 
2011-09-14 12:10:20 PM
I predict a well-reasoned, calm debate about the merits of organized religion in this thread.
 
2011-09-14 12:10:37 PM
The most annoying atheists are the ones that are constantly remind people they are atheists as if they expect to win a prize for their brilliance in not believing in something. STFU already, everyone gets how smart you are. Why don't you prove it by going out and accomplishing something besides proclaiming your intelligence every time your socially inept brain tells you to.

/atheist embarrassed by a significant percentage of other atheists
 
2011-09-14 12:11:03 PM
Subby is wrong and a farking idiot.

Dammit, just proved #3 right. Otherwise, they really are all wrong.
 
2011-09-14 12:11:53 PM
A bearded sky fairy sent his son on a suicide mission to save us from being what we are.

Who should I make out the check to?
 
2011-09-14 12:12:23 PM

trappedspirit: 2) Atheists are just angry with God.

Well, I've seen a lot that sure do protest too much, and strangely only about the one particular branch of one particular religion they were raised in and haven't been able to shake the guilt of. So yeah, there's some "rebellious teenagers" out there in the quest for defining a personal cosmology. They are usually the loudest and therefore get the most attention.


I was barked at by numerous dogs who are earning their food guarding ignorance and superstition for the benefit of those who profit from it. Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is of the same kind as the intolerance of the religious fanatics and comes from the same source. They are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who-in their grudge against the traditional "opium of the people"-cannot bear the music of the spheres. The Wonder of nature does not become smaller because one cannot measure it by the standards of human moral and human aims. - Einstein

/Bevets mode activated
 
2011-09-14 12:12:25 PM
The Swedish perspective:

I live in a country where around 80% are atheists. Most of my friends think of god in the same way that we think of santa claus. Sure, he might have a secret hideout on the north pole - but it seems pretty unlikely. So if you ask me why I don't belive in god I answer with a question in return: Why don't you belive in Santa?
 
2011-09-14 12:12:46 PM
Reading number 1, I couldn't help but think of this:

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2011-09-14 12:13:01 PM

Bevets: 2) Atheists are just angry with God. Atheists often point out the logical inconsistencies of many religious beliefs---such as the belief both that God is all-good and all-powerful, but he somehow also allows evil to exist---and believers use that to conclude that atheists are angry with God.

The ancient man approached God (or even the gods) as the accused person approaches his judge. For the modem man the roles are reversed. He is the judge: God is in the dock. He is quite a kindly judge: if God should have a reasonable defense for being the god who permits war, poverty, and disease, he is ready to listen to it. The trial may even end in God's acquittal. But the important thing is that man is on the bench and God in the dock. ~ C.S. Lewis

5) Atheism is just a faith like any other.

We all believe, as an article of faith, that life evolved from dead matter on this planet. It is just that its complexity is so great, it is hard for us to imagine that it did. ~ Harold Urey

6) Atheists don't have a moral code.

Acting morally and having a philosophical justification for your actions are two separate issues.



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2011-09-14 12:13:15 PM

St_Francis_P: Ennuipoet: Bevets: 6) Atheists don't have a moral code.

Acting morally and having a philosophical justification for your actions are two separate issues.



I think this one bothers the me the most. If atheist don't have a moral code but only a philosophical justification for not murdering doctors, blowing up abortion clinics, flying planes into buildings and stealing candy from babies, why are the prisons not full of atheists? If we are so amoral where are the atheist crimes of passion? Why are we not killing everyone that offends us? Why aren't atheists killing their wives for cheating on them? Why aren't atheists robbing banks? After all, we have no moral code to prevent us from acting any way we choose.

To put it another way, considering the how much people like Bevets annoy me, why have I not beat them severely with a Ball Peen Hammer? One, I have a moral code and two, I know the laws of humanity will punish me. The laws of god, not so much.

All well and good, but talk your way out of this picture, Mr. Atheist:

[www.jonco48.com image 640x480]


well, i could make a modest proposal, with present state of affairs.
 
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