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2011-09-08 12:20:07 PM
FTFA: "From Maryland to New England..."

...that is like saying from Georgia to the Carolinas. Here's a hint: They're pretty close to one another.
 
2011-09-08 12:20:31 PM
Did Lee ever face Sherman? Thought the ANV was up against Grant in the North while Sherman went on his war-crime spree to the sea.
 
2011-09-08 12:20:45 PM
The downside to this that we'll have to hear everyone talk about how bad this could have been if it wasn't for Agnes. Let the great Agnes vs. Lee debate begin!
 
2011-09-08 12:21:44 PM
The east is flooding and the south is burning. C'mon FSM can't you give us a happy middle ground?
 
2011-09-08 12:21:56 PM
www.military-collections.com

Atlanta or Bust!
 
2011-09-08 12:24:14 PM
I thought this was gonna be a punk thread.
 
2011-09-08 12:24:52 PM

scottydoesntknow: The east is flooding and the south is burning. C'mon FSM can't you give us a happy middle ground?


The west is nice although it's over 100 now in SoCal. First time this year that I've seen more than 2 days in a row of over 100. NoCal, WA and OR are very nice right about now.
 
2011-09-08 12:25:04 PM
Mr. Peabody unavailable for comment.
 
2011-09-08 12:25:23 PM

tereklusec: FTFA: "From Maryland to New England..."

...that is like saying from Georgia to the Carolinas. Here's a hint: They're pretty close to one another.


Yet Maryland is technically a Southern state.
 
2011-09-08 12:28:34 PM
Isn't this like a threepeat?

I know one was about Lee slowly marching north.
 
2011-09-08 12:31:33 PM
The south lost. Get over it.
 
2011-09-08 12:31:34 PM

Tricky Chicken: Isn't this like a threepeat?

I know one was about Lee slowly marching north.



That'sthejoke.jpg (new window)
 
2011-09-08 12:33:16 PM

Kar98: tereklusec: FTFA: "From Maryland to New England..."

...that is like saying from Georgia to the Carolinas. Here's a hint: They're pretty close to one another.

Yet Maryland is technically a Southern state.


We prefer "Mid-Atlantic" (Maryland, Pennsylvania, Delaware and sometimes Virginia) South of VA is "Deep South". Sounds nicer.

/Yes, MD was technically a Border State, sorry for forcing you on the winning team there...
 
2011-09-08 12:34:21 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: Did Lee ever face Sherman? Thought the ANV was up against Grant in the North while Sherman went on his war-crime spree to the sea.


Sherman was actually made out to be a villain by the press of the era after he threatened to have them hanged for treason if he found them in his camps. He was also demonized heavily post-war because politicians in Washington were worried that he would run for an office, so they set about on a smear campaign. And, he actually didn't start the fire, the retreating forces attempted to burn cotton stores, which spread out of control. Sherman actually ordered his men to assist with fighting it.

However, you won't find that information readily available, because people like a good villain and the South is still farking bitter that he handled them.

Other Trivia: Sherman was actually friends with a lot of the Southern generals, having spent time at the Military School prior to the war, and repeatedly voiced is discontent at being split amongst friends. He did, however, justify his stance by deciding that secession was not the proper course of action.
 
2011-09-08 12:38:01 PM
i51.tinypic.com

No relief for TX in the next 7 days according to GFS.
 
2011-09-08 12:41:45 PM
20% of our workforce didn't come in today because they live in areas getting evacuated.

/Means 20% more fun for me today.
//NEPA.
 
2011-09-08 12:43:24 PM

tereklusec: FTFA: "From Maryland to New England..."

...that is like saying from Georgia to the Carolinas. Here's a hint: They're pretty close to one another.


In the defense of Geography itself I wanted to say that DC to Bangor is over 600 miles which, although it isn't "far", ain't even close to "close"

/ain't
 
2011-09-08 12:46:35 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: Did Lee ever face Sherman? Thought the ANV was up against Grant in the North while Sherman went on his war-crime spree to the seademonstration of national authority over a populous engaged in rebellious activity.


FTFY.
Btw, Sherman ordered supplies for the rebel army, workshops producing goods for same, and rail infrastructure necessary to rebel operations destroyed. That was all he ordered destroyed. NONE of the above classifies in any way, shape or form as a war crime. He also commandeered necessary supplies for his troops and cavalry, but ordered that the owners be allowed sufficient to feed themselves- exactly the same thing Lee did in Pennsylvania. Unlike Lee, he didn't have local black civilians taken as slaves to be sold back in his own territory.
The so-called list of huge numbers of women raped, civilians murdered, etc., is so-called for a simple reason- it's a complete fabrication.
 
2011-09-08 12:49:48 PM

cynicalbastard: Captain_Ballbeard: Did Lee ever face Sherman? Thought the ANV was up against Grant in the North while Sherman went on his war-crime spree to the seademonstration of national authority over a populous engaged in rebellious activity.

FTFY.
Btw, Sherman ordered supplies for the rebel army, workshops producing goods for same, and rail infrastructure necessary to rebel operations destroyed. That was all he ordered destroyed. NONE of the above classifies in any way, shape or form as a war crime. He also commandeered necessary supplies for his troops and cavalry, but ordered that the owners be allowed sufficient to feed themselves- exactly the same thing Lee did in Pennsylvania. Unlike Lee, he didn't have local black civilians taken as slaves to be sold back in his own territory.
The so-called list of huge numbers of women raped, civilians murdered, etc., is so-called for a simple reason- it's a complete fabrication.


+1, keep fighting the good fight. Eventually people may understand how wrong they are about Sherman.
 
2011-09-08 12:49:57 PM
Well what are their politics?
 
2011-09-08 12:57:55 PM
georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu
 
2011-09-08 01:04:56 PM
Well, after days of Lee rain, the sun has come out and it's beautiful here in Southern New England.
 
2011-09-08 01:06:45 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: Captain_Ballbeard: Did Lee ever face Sherman? Thought the ANV was up against Grant in the North while Sherman went on his war-crime spree to the sea.

Sherman was actually made out to be a villain by the press of the era after he threatened to have them hanged for treason if he found them in his camps. He was also demonized heavily post-war because politicians in Washington were worried that he would run for an office, so they set about on a smear campaign. And, he actually didn't start the fire, the retreating forces attempted to burn cotton stores, which spread out of control. Sherman actually ordered his men to assist with fighting it.

However, you won't find that information readily available, because people like a good villain and the South is still farking bitter that he handled them.

Other Trivia: Sherman was actually friends with a lot of the Southern generals, having spent time at the Military School prior to the war, and repeatedly voiced is discontent at being split amongst friends. He did, however, justify his stance by deciding that secession was not the proper course of action.


Yup. He viewed it as his duty to take it out on those that committed treason. Not quite "This is gonna hurt me more than it's going to hurt you" but "It's gonna hurt."
 
2011-09-08 01:12:08 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: Captain_Ballbeard: Did Lee ever face Sherman? Thought the ANV was up against Grant in the North while Sherman went on his war-crime spree to the sea.

Sherman was actually made out to be a villain by the press of the era after he threatened to have them hanged for treason if he found them in his camps. He was also demonized heavily post-war because politicians in Washington were worried that he would run for an office, so they set about on a smear campaign. And, he actually didn't start the fire, the retreating forces attempted to burn cotton stores, which spread out of control. Sherman actually ordered his men to assist with fighting it.

However, you won't find that information readily available, because people like a good villain and the South is still farking bitter that he handled them.

Other Trivia: Sherman was actually friends with a lot of the Southern generals, having spent time at the Military School prior to the war, and repeatedly voiced is discontent at being split amongst friends. He did, however, justify his stance by deciding that secession was not the proper course of action.


He didn't only spend time at a Southern Military school, he actually was the first commandant of one if memory serves, and he's still thought of as a hero to that establishment having, after the war he helped them a lot to get back on their feet financially.
In addition, Confederate General Joseph Johnson died shortly after attending Sherman's funeral as a pallbearer. In spite of the bitter weather the 80 year old Johnson refused to wear his hat, saying "If he were in my place, he would not be wearing mine." Years earlier, at the surrender of Johnson's troops, Sherman gave rations to all his men to help them get home and Johnson responded by saying "Your generosity reconciles me to what I consider the greatest misfortune of my life- having had you as an opponent."
Hardly things a Southern general would say to or about someone considered a "war criminal". Johnson knew the score, and that Sherman had been badly libelled.
 
2011-09-08 01:16:13 PM

syberpud: We prefer "Mid-Atlantic" (Maryland, Pennsylvania, Delaware and sometimes Virginia)


New Jersey is not New England.
 
2011-09-08 01:21:00 PM
Ah, Uncle Billy. He *was* a colorful fellow.

Few folks remember Joe Wheeler's (Confederate) cavalry brigade, a.k.a 'Wheeler's Horse Thieves', who opposed Sherman's March to the Sea. Wheeler's Brigade was reviled for their 'loose' requisition habits.

Also, don't forget the bummers (from both sides) who roamed Georgia at that time.
 
2011-09-08 01:22:13 PM
www.meh.ro

/south will rise again you yankee turds
//am I doing it right?
 
2011-09-08 01:22:54 PM

scottydoesntknow: The east is flooding and the south is burning. C'mon FSM can't you give us a happy middle ground?


Actually, only Texas is burning. The rest of us in dixie got plenty of rain from the storm are now enjoying an earlier than normal start of fall with some places having record low daytime high temps.

High in central Alabama today will be around 80. Normal for early September is the low 90s.
 
2011-09-08 01:34:04 PM

H31N0US: syberpud: We prefer "Mid-Atlantic" (Maryland, Pennsylvania, Delaware and sometimes Virginia)

New Jersey is not New England.


Nor New York.
 
2011-09-08 01:35:48 PM

arte1953: Ah, Uncle Billy. He *was* a colorful fellow.

Few folks remember Joe Wheeler's (Confederate) cavalry brigade, a.k.a 'Wheeler's Horse Thieves', who opposed Sherman's March to the Sea. Wheeler's Brigade was reviled for their 'loose' requisition habits.

Also, don't forget the bummers (from both sides) who roamed Georgia at that time.


Georgia Governer Brown referred to Wheeler's brigade as "The last plague God had left to inflict on Pharaoh just in case." for its habits of looting friend or foe without preference.
 
2011-09-08 01:39:34 PM
www.myloc.gov
 
2011-09-08 01:40:20 PM

dittybopper: Mr. Peabody unavailable for comment.


www.stewart.cs.sdsu.edu
Don't blame me Sherman
 
2011-09-08 01:50:03 PM

cynicalbastard: DeathByGeekSquad: Captain_Ballbeard: Did Lee ever face Sherman? Thought the ANV was up against Grant in the North while Sherman went on his war-crime spree to the sea.

Sherman was actually made out to be a villain by the press of the era after he threatened to have them hanged for treason if he found them in his camps. He was also demonized heavily post-war because politicians in Washington were worried that he would run for an office, so they set about on a smear campaign. And, he actually didn't start the fire, the retreating forces attempted to burn cotton stores, which spread out of control. Sherman actually ordered his men to assist with fighting it.

However, you won't find that information readily available, because people like a good villain and the South is still farking bitter that he handled them.

Other Trivia: Sherman was actually friends with a lot of the Southern generals, having spent time at the Military School prior to the war, and repeatedly voiced is discontent at being split amongst friends. He did, however, justify his stance by deciding that secession was not the proper course of action.

He didn't only spend time at a Southern Military school, he actually was the first commandant of one if memory serves, and he's still thought of as a hero to that establishment having, after the war he helped them a lot to get back on their feet financially.
In addition, Confederate General Joseph Johnson died shortly after attending Sherman's funeral as a pallbearer. In spite of the bitter weather the 80 year old Johnson refused to wear his hat, saying "If he were in my place, he would not be wearing mine." Years earlier, at the surrender of Johnson's troops, Sherman gave rations to all his men to help them get home and Johnson responded by saying "Your generosity reconciles me to what I consider the greatest misfortune of my life- having had you as an opponent."
Hardly things a Southern general would say to or about someone considered a "war criminal". Johnson knew the score, and that Sherman had been badly libelled.


He's considered a war criminal by those Libertarians who are still butt hurt that their ideological ancestors lost the "War of Southern Aggression".
 
2011-09-08 01:53:27 PM

s2s2s2: Well what are their politics?


Mostly consistent with their response to and preparations for the disaster.

You know... unlike you idiots in Texas.

/ I will mock you from thread to thread for the rest of eternity you hypocritical douches
// my sister lives in Harrisburg PA
/// she's fine.... but, frankly, Harrisburg is a shiathole anyway, I doubt anybody will notice any change after the flooding
 
2011-09-08 02:00:28 PM
LouDobbsAwaaaay 2011-09-08 12:38:01 PM No relief for TX in the next 7 days according to GFS.
=========================================================

Based on weather.com, it's 0% chance of rain for the next 10 days in Dallas. You don't see that except in deserts, so it's really saying something. It also shows how bone dry it is.

And considering Nate's projected paths all take it well south of Texas (and there's one weird path taking it to New Orleans, funnily enough), there's still no relief.
 
2011-09-08 02:05:31 PM
Actually, based on the updated models... about half take it to Louisiana and half take it way south of Texas.

Still none for Texas, though.
 
2011-09-08 02:09:09 PM

jake3988: Actually, based on the updated models... about half take it to Louisiana and half take it way south of Texas.

Still none for Texas, though.


Knowing their luck lately they'll get a day of torrential downpours that just runs off the hard ground, floods everything, and then runs back into the gulf....
 
2011-09-08 03:16:16 PM

jake3988: Actually, based on the updated models... about half take it to Louisiana and half take it way south of Texas.

Still none for Texas, though.


That's dangerous; the NHC has a history of just splitting the difference when tracks become bimodal like that, and just using the minimum-variance, bet-hedging track as the official forecast. They don't seem to care that this could be a very low-likelihood scenario, and in this case a lot of people would be paying attention to a track that carried the storm right into central TX.
 
2011-09-08 03:32:43 PM
I think Lee is about 150 years too late to put out Sherman's fires.
 
2011-09-08 03:35:42 PM
So you're saying that this storm will be stopped in its tracks at Gettysburg, PA?
 
2011-09-08 04:06:33 PM

JustGetItRight: scottydoesntknow: The east is flooding and the south is burning. C'mon FSM can't you give us a happy middle ground?

Actually, only Texas is burning. The rest of us in dixie got plenty of rain from the storm are now enjoying an earlier than normal start of fall with some places having record low daytime high temps.

High in central Alabama today will be around 80. Normal for early September is the low 90s.




Only in Alabama can you say a record low of 80 degrees.

/resident of the frigid north
 
2011-09-08 04:19:50 PM

JustTheTip: So you're saying that this storm will be stopped in its tracks at Gettysburg, PA?


Nope...Storm went right up to Binghamton. Susquehanna River will have near-record flooding tomorrow.
 
2011-09-08 04:27:03 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: Did Lee ever face Sherman? Thought the ANV was up against Grant in the North while Sherman went on his war-crime spree to the sea was bringing war to those that wanted it so badly.


FTFY
 
2011-09-08 04:28:22 PM
Speaking of my sister, she just reminded me of this since she watched it happen, so I figured I'd post it (since there's no civil war video) with popping action.

Walnut St bridge collapse in the last major flood of that particular river.

As far as I know they never rebuilt it, but I haven't been up there for awhile.
 
2011-09-08 04:34:30 PM

ddam: scottydoesntknow: The east is flooding and the south is burning. C'mon FSM can't you give us a happy middle ground?

The west is nice although it's over 100 now in SoCal. First time this year that I've seen more than 2 days in a row of over 100. NoCal, WA and OR are very nice right about now.


while, yesterday in New Orleans it was in the 60s. Sunny, not humid.

today's high in the low 80s. i feel like I'm in paradise. should be like this through the weekend. We usually only have this weather in the late fall and early spring (seasons other people call winter).
 
2011-09-08 04:55:36 PM

arte1953: Ah, Uncle Billy. He *was* a colorful fellow.

Few folks remember Joe Wheeler's (Confederate) cavalry brigade, a.k.a 'Wheeler's Horse Thieves', who opposed Sherman's March to the Sea. Wheeler's Brigade was reviled for their 'loose' requisition habits.

Also, don't forget the bummers (from both sides) who roamed Georgia at that time.


Wheeler's troops were the only real force in opposition to Sherman. Griswoldville was sort of an accidental rear-guard skirmish that got out of control. Ball's Ferry was a skirmishing defensive movement while the Confederates retreated. Even Savannah was taken without a shot being fired after the Confederates abandoned the place.

Their orders were primarily centered around not hazarding their forces. If the Union took ground, the CS Army could always fight to get it back. If the CS Army was destroyed, the war was truly over.

/ Yankee picnic in Georgia.
 
2011-09-08 05:30:08 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: Did Lee ever face Sherman? Thought the ANV was up against Grant in the North while Sherman went on his war-crime ass-kicking spree to the sea.


FTFM.

And don't talk shiat, my great-great-grandfather marched along with him and I heard Gramps got lucky while he was in Georgia. We're probably related.
 
2011-09-08 10:13:45 PM
i734.photobucket.com
 
2011-09-08 11:11:43 PM

Latinwolf:
He's considered a war criminal by those Libertarians who are still butt hurt that their ideological ancestors lost the "War of Southern Aggression".


No Libertarian could possibly ever defend slavery.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
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