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2011-09-08 12:38:37 PM  

kaduh: The world needs more of us.

/ditch digger


Funniest thing I read all day! Bravo!
 
2011-09-08 12:39:46 PM  
People always think substance counselors are either addicts or hate mind altering substances.

Some of us just like the job, and don't have some personal vendetta. I even support legalizing marijuana and enjoy the more than occasional drink.
 
2011-09-08 12:39:47 PM  

Oak: I'm a PC technician.

The myth about us seems only to be held by developers, DBAs, network admins, and IT managers.

They believe that we're people of low intelligence, doing our job only because we're incapable of learning other IT skills. We're just "help-desk lackeys," and we have no expertise of value.


oh shush and tell someone to reboot.

/network admin
 
2011-09-08 12:40:03 PM  

Transkaren: spcMike: Tat'dGreaser: That there are liberal engineers. I present internet arguments.

I'm a liberal engineer.

As am I. Well, somewhat liberal. Maybe center-left.


It's all relative. Compared to the people I work with, I'm a flaming liberal. Among my friends, I'm way more conservative. Personally, I consider myself to be slightly left of center.
 
2011-09-08 12:40:08 PM  

Crackers Are a Family Food: Uh, we're talking lifting 100+ pound cases and drawers of paper over your head


You were expected to life 100 pound cases? I'm fairly sure dock workers don't lift 100 pound cases. A big sack of concrete weighs 80 pounds. What was in these cases? Lead?
 
2011-09-08 12:40:14 PM  

Richard Flaccid: mentallo69: Richard Flaccid: high due to lack of funding, competition and short tenure tracks. Desperate PI's, grad students and post docs have resorted to falsifying data in order to ensure publication and funding. Most of this falsification comes in the form of manipulated data points, which cannot realistically be caught by peer review.

This! No kidding. When that money goes or gets short. I've seen PI's lie their a$$ off to get that $$$

My wife graphed some data a couple of weeks ago and gave it to her PI. Her PI came back to her with a hand drawn graph and told my wife that she needed to make the data look like this (pointing to her drawing). And she wasn't talking about repeating the experiment!

No lie!


I can see that happening....umm this is where we are...this is what we need. Um, go figure it out.
 
2011-09-08 12:40:33 PM  
That a Caveman or Gecko with an accent can really save you 15%. And we usually get lumped in with lawyers and car salesman for perceived lack of ethics.

/call me ;-)
 
2011-09-08 12:41:47 PM  

Ponzholio: I cannot diagnose your car problems over the phone when you say it makes a 'clicky' noise...


CVC joint.

/ you're welcome
 
2011-09-08 12:42:02 PM  
That a reactor glows green. That's completely crazy...it glows blue.

Also, that there are two u's in the word 'Nuclear' aka Nucular(this drives me the most insane.)
 
2011-09-08 12:42:59 PM  

hurdboy: Then there's code monkeys who don't even like to comment their code as they go.

It's right there in plain Malbolge, bro. The functions speak for themselves. If u can't read it, ur dum.


Comments can lie (and often do after refactoring), code cannot.
 
2011-09-08 12:43:05 PM  
IT professional.

That Y2K was a hoax.
 
2011-09-08 12:43:15 PM  
Congrats to those of you who stated a myth about your profession and didn't say what your profession was. Very helpful.
 
2011-09-08 12:44:19 PM  
That we all work on rockets with huge blasts and explosions and we all plan space missions. It's better to let them have their fantasy. It's difficult to instill the thinking that giant teams of people with understanding of physics, electronics, and the operating environments are basically the core of people pushing back the frontier.
 
2011-09-08 12:46:15 PM  

Andulamb: Congrats to those of you who stated a myth about your profession and didn't say what your profession was. Very helpful.


Yeah, that. It's especially fun for the professions I've never heard any myths about. It's like playing a game of Guess Who or Clue with pieces missing.
 
2011-09-08 12:46:33 PM  
I'm a hairstylist. The stereotypes are all true; most hairstylists are in the profession because they aren't bright enough to do anything else, they LOVE gossip and drama, and they all have huge egos, especially in the VIP salons. 4 years ago I quit the salon and went mobile/freelance because I just don't fit in with the crowd - I have a university degree (forced on me by my parents who still wish I had become a doctor or lawyer so I wouldn't 'waste' my IQ), am bright enough to have many career options, and have no interest in gossip or drama. I'm doing hair because I've been in love with the industry since I was 12.

Actually, I do have a huge ego. It helps when dealing with high-maintenance clients, VIPs and brides especially. I don't think I'd be as successful without it.
 
2011-09-08 12:47:54 PM  
Even my daughter knows how to solder...

You bring your daughter to the solder?

/I'm Bruce Dickinson Damnit

//I put my pants on one leg at-a-time, just like you do.

//Except, after my pants are on, I make gold records!
 
2011-09-08 12:48:45 PM  
Someone just called me a few minutes ago asking me if I knew anything about a piece of software that was written in a language I often use.

My response was: "I don't know much about existing applications. My job is to make new ones."
 
2011-09-08 12:48:49 PM  

The English Major: Timanous: Don't forget the paperwork.

The reams and reams of paperwork

Yeah, I know. I did two orientations yesterday and a third today--the files are about half-an-inch to three-quarters-of-an-inch thick depending on the state licensure requirements.

And I just got off the phone ripping a supervisor a new asshole. Quite politely, though. I wrote him up for being a rude prick. But not in those words.


Alright, for that last bit I take it back, on a probationary basis of course. And only for you, not the rest of ypur ilk.
 
2011-09-08 12:49:25 PM  
Well, considering that there are, at present, exactly eight people in the world that do what I do for a living, there's not much in the way of myths about it.

So let's go to my second job, professional church musician.

"Wait, you get paid? To sing? In church?"

"The organist gets paid, doesn't he?"

"But he's a musician, you're just a singer! You should do it for love!"

"Well, 'love' didn't pay for my BFA or MFA."

"But it's church! You should do it out of Faith!"

"I'm pretty sure that the Priests are men of Faith. They get paid, you know."

"But that's different! You're not interceding for the congregation, you're just making a Joyful Noise unto the Lord!"

"Well, not really, since I'm an Atheist."

The conversation usually breaks down entirely at that point...
 
2011-09-08 12:49:43 PM  

phlegmmo: IT professional.

That Y2K was a hoax.


Y2K wasn't a hoax. But the predictions of doom were.

Climate change isn't a myth, but the predictions of certain global doom xx years from now as a result of climate change *are* a hoax.

There's always someone looking to make you afraid of something, best to tell them to shut up. You should be prepared for the worst anyway, so someone telling you to be afraid and successfully instilling fear means you haven't explored all you can do to ensure survival/safety. REI is not just for camping folks.
 
2011-09-08 12:49:44 PM  
We're out to screw up your day and make you waste your time filling out a bunch of useless paperwork that nobody cares about anyway. We're just huge dicks who like to give the manufacturing floor crews shiat for NO REASON.

/Quality Control
 
2011-09-08 12:50:56 PM  

mcsiegs: res_nihil: mcsiegs: I am an Oracle applications developer. We have the biggest cocks, the sickest parties, and we can't go into a Forever 21 without being pulled into a dressing room for a mid-Saturday romp

Do you ever get the assumption by friends/relatives that know absolutely nothing about the IT industry that since you work in some facet of it, you must know about and be able to fix absolutely everything about computers?

Ha! YES. All the time. And the questions are always "My computer is so slow anymore - can you have a look?"


uggh... yup. It makes a sort of sense, since people seem to lump anything server-, web-, or development-related under an undifferentiated heading of "computers". They ask what I do. I tell them that I analyze server and datacenter operations, simulate the effects of changes on server performance, assess the results, etc. After a long, blank stare, "... so... you work with computers?" <sigh> "Yes, I work with computers." "Oh, hey, my computer has been acting up..."

It's kind of annoying. Yes, I can fix your computer. No, I don't want to, because you're just going to go back to the same mindless, moronic behavior that caused the problem to begin with and cause the same problem again. Maybe I need to start quoting hourly rates...
 
2011-09-08 12:51:56 PM  
Mechanical engineer here

I can spell, fix just about anything, solder, weld, wire, plumb...I married a hot woman before I had money, I ride motorcycles, am very active (play hockey), and can tell you the difference between a comma, colon, and semi-colon is. As you can tell, I don't always use proper grammar, but I at least know how to.

I bunk a few myths, and confirm others. One thing's for sure -there are MANY different types of engineers out there.
 
2011-09-08 12:52:16 PM  
I'm a data center engineer.

Just because part of my job involves customer service doesn't mean I'm a support drone. I'm not in some office cubicle with a headset on following a script. I'm out on the colo floor trying to figure out what YOU did to fark up YOUR server(s)/router/switch.
Guess what? That means I have to be familiar with a hand full of operating systems and IOS's. I have to be familiar with a slew of common applications and daemons. I have to know about half a dozen programming languages intimately and be familiar with a dozen others. I have to be familiar with a wide swatch of hardware. And, most importantly, I have to listen to you biatch that it MUST be our network that's having problems even though I've categorically demonstrated that it's not. Now fess up to changing your IP tables so I can go out and farking fix it already!

/I haven't changed anything in months!
//Oh, except I did reinstall everything last night...
 
2011-09-08 12:52:22 PM  
We sit on our asses and do nothing all day, and we care.
 
2011-09-08 12:52:30 PM  

bdub77: Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: I am a graduate student. I had a group project last quarter where one of my group members did not know the difference between then and than. I was boggled.

Big deal. Correct the mistake, than move on.


I lol'd.
 
2011-09-08 12:55:52 PM  

Gifted Many Few: lennavan: Gifted Many Few: That we sleep around. My stance is, if people want to be ignorant I just let them

So you work for the oil regulation industry?

Nothing so glamourous. My job holds a lot of stigmas. I don't enjoy it, I am embarassed by it, but it pays the bills. Most people get fired from here for some time of inappropriate sexual contact. Hence, we are all easy.


You're a priest?

/ I keed, I keed.
 
2011-09-08 12:56:15 PM  
"That's funny, you don't LOOK like an engineer"

What exactly are we supposed to look like?

Last time I checked, having a penis had no practical applications in the field of Mechanical Engineering. Well, I guess you could use it to calibrate your micrometer or something.
 
2011-09-08 12:58:26 PM  

Deucednuisance: Well, considering that there are, at present, exactly eight people in the world that do what I do for a living, there's not much in the way of myths about it.

So let's go to my second job, professional church musician.

"Wait, you get paid? To sing? In church?"

"The organist gets paid, doesn't he?"

"But he's a musician, you're just a singer! You should do it for love!"

"Well, 'love' didn't pay for my BFA or MFA."

"But it's church! You should do it out of Faith!"

"I'm pretty sure that the Priests are men of Faith. They get paid, you know."

"But that's different! You're not interceding for the congregation, you're just making a Joyful Noise unto the Lord!"

"Well, not really, since I'm an Atheist."

The conversation usually breaks down entirely at that point...


I'm a musician as well. I get the whole "you should do it for the love of it" quite a bit as well.
Just curious, what is you day job that only 8 people in the world have the same occupation? You're not Jennifer Lopez' nipple-tweaker are you?
 
2011-09-08 12:59:07 PM  

littlelouie: "That's funny, you don't LOOK like an engineer"

What exactly are we supposed to look like?

Last time I checked, having a penis had no practical applications in the field of Mechanical Engineering. Well, I guess you could use it to calibrate your micrometer or something.


I don't think it's due to a lack of a penis. It's because you're not wearing the hat.
 
2011-09-08 01:00:19 PM  
That it's quick and easy to make a spectacular, adrenaline-pumping, state-of-the-art video with no planning, very few assets, and no budget.

/"Shouldn't be difficult. Need it tomorrow morning."
//"But it's 3 o'clock already..."
 
2011-09-08 01:00:46 PM  
Being as my job encompasses a bunch of other disciplines, I get the brunt of all the usual myths:

1. Scientific programmer. This means I can figure out what's wrong with their computer when it breaks.
2. Web application developer. This means i know all about fixing obscure broken third party web apps that people are having trouble with.
3. Statistician. This means I can find statistically valid results in any data set. "But I need it for a grant proposal, what do you mean I need a control sample?"
4. Bioinformaticist. See #3, but add in how easy some people think it is to build a massive data analysis platforms to support a 3-sample set.
5. Assistant professor. This means I'm a biased liberal activist or something.
 
2011-09-08 01:00:46 PM  

impaler: My response was: "I don't know much about existing applications. My job is to make new ones."


No, I'm pretty sure that developers have to learn all of the programs that are out there already. Otherwise, how do you know you're not just wasting time writing something that's already written?

/No, not serious.
 
2011-09-08 01:01:27 PM  

Deucednuisance: Well, considering that there are, at present, exactly eight people in the world that do what I do for a living, there's not much in the way of myths about it.

So let's go to my second job, professional church musician.

"Wait, you get paid? To sing? In church?"

"The organist gets paid, doesn't he?"

"But he's a musician, you're just a singer! You should do it for love!"

"Well, 'love' didn't pay for my BFA or MFA."

"But it's church! You should do it out of Faith!"

"I'm pretty sure that the Priests are men of Faith. They get paid, you know."

"But that's different! You're not interceding for the congregation, you're just making a Joyful Noise unto the Lord!"

"Well, not really, since I'm an Atheist."

The conversation usually breaks down entirely at that point...


How in the world did you end up getting a gig working for the dark side?
 
2011-09-08 01:02:31 PM  
Just because I had a high security clearance, doesn't mean I know all the conspiracy theories. They take that need to know shiat seriously.
 
2011-09-08 01:02:41 PM  
Rose McGowan Loveslave
I am a DSL

go on

technician.

oh
 
2011-09-08 01:02:53 PM  

Gifted Many Few: lennavan: So basically what I'm hearing here is there's no sense in asking for BIE.

In this setting ,no. I am constantly paranoid of what will happen. I had a picture in my proile once. and some one did one of those LOLcat things to it and since then I am very careful who sees what.


I was kidding =]

You're right to not post pictures you don't want everyone seeing/photoshopping. Same thing happened to some dude's wife here. Myself, I wouldn't care if people saw pictures of me or photoshopped away (it might even be kinda funny) but I don't post them because I don't want to link online me to offline me.
 
2011-09-08 01:03:03 PM  

mcsiegs: What always kills me is how people say they are so awesome at math.


I'm surprised you have that experience. When I was a math major, if anyone asked my major and I told them, I'd usually hear people say how they could never do that stuff, as they slowly backed away, trying hard to tamp down the horrible childhood experiences I just dug up with a few words.

Often kids have to say something to shore up their self esteem in the process, like "I could never do that stuff, I'm too creative." After getting an engineering degree, I finally found a perfect retort for this line: "that's awesome. Tell me some of the things you created."
 
2011-09-08 01:03:04 PM  
All engineers are design engineers.

/not a design engineer.

Also pertaining specifically to fire protection-
-A fire protection engineer is not a firefighter, even though I happen to be both
-Many engineers working in fire protection don't have a degree in it and don't understand basic fire behavior
-You don't need a post grad fire protection degree to design a run of the mill tree type sprinkler system
-Yanking a manual fire pull station will not activate a fire sprinkler system
-If one sprinkler activates, the rest of them don't also magically activate
-Automatic fire sprinklers respond to heat only, not smoke, pull stations, smoke detectors, heat detectors, etc.


/fluck you very much Hollywood
 
2011-09-08 01:03:17 PM  

Shurikane: bdub77: Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: I am a graduate student. I had a group project last quarter where one of my group members did not know the difference between then and than. I was boggled.

Big deal. Correct the mistake, than move on.

I lol'd.


I normally would have too, but I am in a really bad mood.
 
2011-09-08 01:03:26 PM  
Medical Underwriter for major health insurance company. I hear it all.

Yes, it's all true. I'm evil. I am the devil, I don't care about patients' rights, I don't care about your freedoms. I don't want your business, I look for any reason to deny you, I don't care about you or your family. I am in love with pre-existing conditions and hope you die from that untreated cancer. Yep, all true.

I stopped arguing with the morans who don't have a clue about the industry many years ago.
 
2011-09-08 01:03:36 PM  

Richard Flaccid: Scientist (Academia)

Myth: All scientific research should be considered credible.

Truth: Scientific misconduct is at an all time high due to lack of funding, competition and short tenure tracks. Desperate PI's, grad students and post docs have resorted to falsifying data in order to ensure publication and funding. Most of this falsification comes in the form of manipulated data points, which cannot realistically be caught by peer review.

Worst offenders: Medical sciences, ecology, climatology.


What do you do that you have inside knowledge of those three completely separate fields?


My wife graphed some data a couple of weeks ago and gave it to her PI. Her PI came back to her with a hand drawn graph and told my wife that she needed to make the data look like this (pointing to her drawing). And she wasn't talking about repeating the experiment!

No lie!


Is there any chance the PI was indicating a difference in graphical style (e.g. boxplot v. scatter plot, or identifying specific points) instead of asking to alter a data point?

I'm with LiberalConservative. I've never seen falsified data in my field (medical research). Where I work, our gold standard is two separate people analyzing the data to see if they get the same answer. People sometimes try to strain the results (e.g. shotgunning w/o Bonferroni correction), but altering the data would completely ruin your reputation if caught. Your co-workers, working with the same data, are actually pretty likely to catch you. No one would want to collaborate with you after an incident like that.
 
GBB
2011-09-08 01:03:47 PM  
911 on a cell phone: that we know exactly where you are, who you are, and what you are talking about because of goddamned TV shows that portray us that way.
 
2011-09-08 01:03:59 PM  
I'm a Database Administrator. In Arizona.

Mostly all I get as a response is a blank stare like a dog who's just been shown a card trick...
 
2011-09-08 01:04:04 PM  

littlelouie: "That's funny, you don't LOOK like an engineer"

What exactly are we supposed to look like?

Last time I checked, having a penis had no practical applications in the field of Mechanical Engineering. Well, I guess you could use it to calibrate your micrometer or something.


Micrometer? Try BHN testing machine.

/hint: Brinell
 
2011-09-08 01:05:17 PM  

littlelouie: "That's funny, you don't LOOK like an engineer"

What exactly are we supposed to look like?

Last time I checked, having a penis had no practical applications in the field of Mechanical Engineering. Well, I guess you could use it to calibrate your micrometer or something.


I get that too...people are usually surprised when they ask me what I do for a living.

/why yes, I've got a PhD
//what about big fat girly girl with pink fingernails and a PhD in physics don't you understand?
 
2011-09-08 01:06:01 PM  

Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: Shurikane: bdub77: Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: I am a graduate student. I had a group project last quarter where one of my group members did not know the difference between then and than. I was boggled.

Big deal. Correct the mistake, than move on.

I lol'd.

I normally would have too, but I am in a really bad mood.


could be worse. you could be a librarian.
 
2011-09-08 01:06:15 PM  
I'm a grad student right now, but my career plan is to be a musicologist. Most people have never heard of musicology, so I don't encounter too many misconceptions, just confusion. However, when I mention that I'm studying musicology, a lot of people ask, "Oh, what instrument do you play?" I'm pretty sure that the question stems from the misconception that musicology has to do with performance--the better question would be to ask what I study, not what I play--but since so many musicologists started out as performers and most of us do play an instrument (just not seriously anymore), they might be asking a fair question. I've just gotten accustomed to giving the pat answer, "I play viola, but I'm more interested in music history now, especially nineteenth-century England."

/I'm also a web developer as a side job, but those misconceptions are well-covered here.
 
2011-09-08 01:06:34 PM  
I'm a chemist. Everyone thinks I blow stuff up for a living. I'm also a college prof. Everyone thinks I get kickbacks for adopting a text book. I'm also a realist. Nothing I say is going to change peoples minds.
 
2011-09-08 01:06:48 PM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: //what about big fat girly girl with pink fingernails and a PhD in physics don't you understand?


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