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(The American Interest)   "As green leaders choke on their locally sourced, organic heirloom vegetables in impotent rage and ponder writing really, really angry letters to NPR," it's interesting to review how Obama screwed them   (blogs.the-american-interest.com) divider line 47
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2011-09-07 01:39:07 PM
poop
 
2011-09-07 01:41:05 PM
That's the longest "u mad" I've read.
 
2011-09-07 01:43:21 PM
How does one make a rolling eyes smiley?
 
2011-09-07 01:43:57 PM
People really "loathe and despise" environmentalists? Like they're just the world's biggest dickheads for wanting to prevent pollution?
 
2011-09-07 01:45:59 PM

Chummer45: People really "loathe and despise" environmentalists? Like they're just the world's biggest dickheads for wanting to prevent pollution?


but what if they're wrong and we make a better world for nothing? huh? HUH?
 
2011-09-07 01:46:06 PM
Here's an idea. How about, for once, instead of trying to enact "sweeping legislation" that appeals to only hard-line party members, then crying to the press about obstructionism when all the moderates don't immediately jump on board, we try to, oh, I don't know, propose legislation that amounts to a compromise (without massive pork) before it even touches congressional letterhead?
 
2011-09-07 01:46:15 PM

Chummer45: People really "loathe and despise" environmentalists? Like they're just the world's biggest dickheads for wanting to prevent pollution?


OBAMAAAAAAAAAAAAA1!11
 
2011-09-07 01:47:02 PM
CLINTON/CLINTON 2016!!
 
2011-09-07 01:47:08 PM

bluelancer03: Here's an idea. How about, for once, instead of trying to enact "sweeping legislation" that appeals to only hard-line party members, then crying to the press about obstructionism when all the moderates don't immediately jump on board, we try to, oh, I don't know, propose legislation that amounts to a compromise (without massive pork) before it even touches congressional letterhead?


How is locally grown produce and a desire for less pollution not a moderate proposal?
 
2011-09-07 01:47:15 PM
There's this weird segment of the punditry that is gleefully celebrating what they think is the death of "green jobs" as a viable concept.

Which ignores what I am seeing, at least here in California, in terms of wind and solar work being done. Not to mention the hazmat and general waste sort/contain/reprocessing industries.
 
2011-09-07 01:47:59 PM

bluelancer03: Here's an idea. How about, for once, instead of trying to enact "sweeping legislation" that appeals to only hard-line party members, then crying to the press about obstructionism when all the moderates don't immediately jump on board, we try to, oh, I don't know, propose legislation that amounts to a compromise (without massive pork) before it even touches congressional letterhead?


you always start a negotiation with your best case wants, and then start trading.

problem is, nobody in one side of this government will compromise on anything ever. so it doesn't work anymore
 
2011-09-07 01:48:45 PM
images.cheezburger.com
 
2011-09-07 01:49:26 PM
Hunh, guess that he doesn't know about this:

"Report: More Americans have green jobs than oil or gas jobs" (new window)

/installing some solar panels next week
//going to Hawaii two days later to install LED lamps
 
2011-09-07 01:49:37 PM
Chummer45:

People really "loathe and despise" environmentalists? Like they're just the world's biggest dickheads for wanting to prevent pollution?

The author's had certain issues since he scored with that girl at a PETA rally and she laughed at his small weener.

There's a stereotype certain people believe (and others repeat endlessly on talk radio) that *anyone* who doesn't care to shiat in their own mess kit must be a smelly, birkenstock wearing hippie.
 
2011-09-07 01:49:51 PM

sinisterben: bluelancer03: Here's an idea. How about, for once, instead of trying to enact "sweeping legislation" that appeals to only hard-line party members, then crying to the press about obstructionism when all the moderates don't immediately jump on board, we try to, oh, I don't know, propose legislation that amounts to a compromise (without massive pork) before it even touches congressional letterhead?

How is locally grown produce and a desire for less pollution not a moderate proposal?


because i can buy plums out of season shipped from 7000 miles away

and people think its ok
 
2011-09-07 01:50:07 PM
haha! you like good vegetables!
 
2011-09-07 01:51:03 PM
So, if I grow heirloom tomatoes in my garden (Miracle Gro probably doesn't make me organic, I never need to use any pesticides though), then I better be choking on envirofascism weenie libtard Obamabot?

Your stereotype needs some work.
 
2011-09-07 01:52:20 PM

bluelancer03: Here's an idea. How about, for once, instead of trying to enact "sweeping legislation" that appeals to only hard-line party members, then crying to the press about obstructionism when all the moderates don't immediately jump on board, we try to, oh, I don't know, propose legislation that amounts to a compromise (without massive pork) before it even touches congressional letterhead?


And which 'moderates' are you talking about? I think you can fit 'all the moderates' into a 1969 Beetle with room left over for a driver and three passengers.

Sheesh.
 
2011-09-07 01:55:30 PM

aaronx: bluelancer03: Here's an idea. How about, for once, instead of trying to enact "sweeping legislation" that appeals to only hard-line party members, then crying to the press about obstructionism when all the moderates don't immediately jump on board, we try to, oh, I don't know, propose legislation that amounts to a compromise (without massive pork) before it even touches congressional letterhead?

And which 'moderates' are you talking about? I think you can fit 'all the moderates' into a 1969 Beetle with room left over for a driver and three passengers.

Sheesh.


Like so many posts, 'moderate' means 'agrees with me.'. Feign surprise they don't.
 
2011-09-07 01:55:48 PM
bluelancer03
Here's an idea. How about, for once, instead of trying to enact "sweeping legislation" that appeals to only hard-line party members, then crying to the press about obstructionism when all the moderates don't immediately jump on board, we try to, oh, I don't know, propose legislation that amounts to a compromise (without massive pork) before it even touches congressional letterhead?

That's exactly what Obama does and it's why he's such a huge farking failure. You propose a compromise; they propose their ideal; you compromise 3/4 in their direction and 1/4 of yours; they don't budge; you compromise 7/8 in their direction; they don't budge; you compromise 15/16 in their direction; they indicate that they might be considering something a million times worse; their base gets out the sharp knives and starts burning them in effigy and they apologize for even considering it; you compromise everything and they start thinking about it...
 
2011-09-07 01:58:36 PM

MonkeyVegetables: sinisterben: bluelancer03: Here's an idea. How about, for once, instead of trying to enact "sweeping legislation" that appeals to only hard-line party members, then crying to the press about obstructionism when all the moderates don't immediately jump on board, we try to, oh, I don't know, propose legislation that amounts to a compromise (without massive pork) before it even touches congressional letterhead?

How is locally grown produce and a desire for less pollution not a moderate proposal?

because i can buy plums out of season shipped from 7000 miles away

and people think its ok


They always taste so 'meh' though. Call me a snob, but once you get to eating local stuff in season then you don't want the unripe stuff shipped from miles away. Peach season just ended here in Georgia so no more peaches for me until next summer. The ones from Cali and Chile are hard and taste like nothing.

Corn season is done too. The stuff from Brazil doesn't taste like the stuff from Indiana. Strawberries never taste like the ones I pull out of my garden.

And for the love of God, don't ever grow your own tomatoes, especially Brandywine. You'll never want store tomatoes again and apparently you will also hate freedom.

Something that does work though is hothouse bib lettuce. That still tastes great. Expensive as hell though.
 
2011-09-07 01:58:50 PM

Chummer45: People really "loathe and despise" environmentalists? Like they're just the world's biggest dickheads for wanting to prevent pollution?


otherginger: There's this weird segment of the punditry that is gleefully celebrating what they think is the death of "green jobs" as a viable concept.


Yes, there are entire industries dedicated to making the vast vast majority of the population miserable for the financial benefit of a few. To such people, any endeavor to improve life in any way (be it clean air and water, affordable health care, food for starving children, etc.) is to be despised and any setback in such efforts is to be celebrated.

It's both Unamerican and American.
 
2011-09-07 02:02:35 PM
Wow, the comments on that are really vile. Its amazing how passionately offensive anti-environmentalists are. The movement has come a long way from the hairy armpitted, enviro-nazi movements of the past.

Its big and small businesses now. Thousands of them. Outperforming conventional businesses on all levels, with and without government incentives. These enviro-luddites can scoff at CFLs, local produce, and overinflated tires all they want, but the economics of $100/ barrel oil and $3.00+ gasoline don't favor traditionalists.

Your revolution is over! Condolences! The fossil fuel bums lost! My advice to you is to do what your parents should have done: get a green job sir!
 
2011-09-07 02:03:42 PM
If you don't like heirloom tomatoes there's something wrong with you.
 
2011-09-07 02:05:38 PM

sinisterben: bluelancer03: Here's an idea. How about, for once, instead of trying to enact "sweeping legislation" that appeals to only hard-line party members, then crying to the press about obstructionism when all the moderates don't immediately jump on board, we try to, oh, I don't know, propose legislation that amounts to a compromise (without massive pork) before it even touches congressional letterhead?

How is locally grown produce and a desire for less pollution not a moderate proposal?


Because moderate is defined by its opposition, not by the substance of the argument. Since environmentalists are considered the 'hard-line, extreme left', and generally support local produce and oppose pollution, moderates must be opposed to it, since neither the left or right can ever be right about anything, apparently.
 
2011-09-07 02:19:02 PM
Meh. So some right-wing blog thinks its fun to make fun of environmentalists. Color me shocked.
 
2011-09-07 02:19:14 PM
Let's face it, Obama is really a moderate Republican from 30 years ago.
 
2011-09-07 02:19:14 PM
From the comments:

'"The Earth" is a big rock spinning its way around space on several axes. It can "support" as many people or things as can be packed onto its surface, because it's round.'

What the fark is this? Is this something people believe?
 
2011-09-07 02:21:11 PM
My favorite thing is when the right wing nutjobs compare environmentalists to "religious zealots" that cannot think rationally.

Now Jeeeezus! zealots, on the other hand....
 
2011-09-07 02:25:14 PM

Chummer45: My favorite thing is when the right wing nutjobs compare environmentalists to "religious zealots" that cannot think rationally.

Now Jeeeezus! zealots, on the other hand....


Actually they're pretty damn moderate these days.

Settle down.
 
2011-09-07 03:11:12 PM

Wasserspeier: Let's face it, Obama is really a moderate Republican from 30 years ago.


Bingo!

Early Girl, Better Boy and Sweet 100 are just as tasty straight out of the garden and they beat any heirloom tomato for yields and disease resistance. Our freaking Brandywines are still all green and it's September!
 
2011-09-07 03:19:23 PM

whidbey: Meh. So some right-wing blog thinks its fun to make fun of environmentalists. Color me shocked.


Why waste such delicious hand-wringing??
 
2011-09-07 03:29:26 PM
How can you be anti-environment? Isn't that like being against gravity?
 
2011-09-07 03:34:50 PM

MrEricSir: How can you be anti-environment? Isn't that like being against gravity?


I'm sure you can think of a way.
 
2011-09-07 03:35:07 PM

Chummer45: People really "loathe and despise" environmentalists? Like they're just the world's biggest dickheads for wanting to prevent pollution?


I'm related to someone who feels this way. Said relative is also hoping that the world becomes uninhabitable so Jesus will come back.
 
2011-09-07 03:37:55 PM

MrEricSir: How can you be anti-environment? Isn't that like being against gravity?


Well if Obama is FOR gravity...
 
2011-09-07 04:04:46 PM

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Your revolution is over! Condolences! The fossil fuel bums lost! My advice to you is to do what your parents should have done: get a green job sir!


Is this a.....what day is it?
 
2011-09-07 04:24:24 PM

bluelancer03: Here's an idea. How about, for once, instead of trying to enact "sweeping legislation" that appeals to only hard-line party members, then crying to the press about obstructionism when all the moderates don't immediately jump on board, we try to, oh, I don't know, propose legislation that amounts to a compromise (without massive pork) before it even touches congressional letterhead?


You've never tried to talk to a teabagger, have you?
 
2011-09-07 04:34:36 PM

ghare: bluelancer03: Here's an idea. How about, for once, instead of trying to enact "sweeping legislation" that appeals to only hard-line party members, then crying to the press about obstructionism when all the moderates don't immediately jump on board, we try to, oh, I don't know, propose legislation that amounts to a compromise (without massive pork) before it even touches congressional letterhead?

You've never tried to talk to a teabagger, have you?


Those tactics are what created the teabaggers. Remember?
 
2011-09-07 04:37:37 PM

Cat Food Sandwiches: ghare: bluelancer03: Here's an idea. How about, for once, instead of trying to enact "sweeping legislation" that appeals to only hard-line party members, then crying to the press about obstructionism when all the moderates don't immediately jump on board, we try to, oh, I don't know, propose legislation that amounts to a compromise (without massive pork) before it even touches congressional letterhead?

You've never tried to talk to a teabagger, have you?

Those tactics are what created the teabaggers. Remember?


No.
 
2011-09-07 04:50:06 PM

Chummer45: People really "loathe and despise" environmentalists? Like they're just the world's biggest dickheads for wanting to prevent pollution?


Clearly, you've never seen Whale Wars.
 
2011-09-07 04:57:23 PM

sprawl15: Clearly, you've never seen Whale Wars.


i don't necessarily condone what they do.

But there's strong evidence whales are self aware and may even have morality/religion. i'm not ok with having them slaughtered for food with that info on the table. especially in a whale sanctuary. in violation of international law.
 
2011-09-07 05:10:21 PM

tlchwi02: sprawl15: Clearly, you've never seen Whale Wars.

i don't necessarily condone what they do.

But there's strong evidence whales are self aware and may even have morality/religion. i'm not ok with having them slaughtered for food with that info on the table. especially in a whale sanctuary. in violation of international law.


I finally watched Whale Wars a few weeks ago for the first time. I didn't find the subject matter or the personae annoying, but the two-second focus, flash, jump, cut soundbite noises during transition reality show package format was.
 
2011-09-07 05:16:34 PM

whidbey: I finally watched Whale Wars a few weeks ago for the first time. I didn't find the subject matter or the personae annoying, but the two-second focus, flash, jump, cut soundbite noises during transition reality show package format was.


its a bad show, and the people are... not my favorite type of person. mostly because i'm not sure if they are helping or hurting their cause.

but they honestly believe whales are self aware creatures with culture and higher order processing that may be human like, so they think they are stopping murder of intelligent beings.

and the science suggests they may be correct. so i have a tough time condeming them.

/and frankly, the japanease pretending the hunt is for "science research" makes me see red. fark that noise
 
2011-09-07 05:20:44 PM

tlchwi02: . not my favorite type of person. mostly because i'm not sure if they are helping or hurting their cause.


I'd say they're helping-- you really can't change anything by just sitting by and watching.

If you mean they probably turn off people, I'm sure they do bother a few prudes who probably think the EPA should be eliminated, anyway...

I don't think there's a more moderate solution to whaling going on right now, and that's why they're doing their thing. Nobody else will.
 
2011-09-07 05:29:41 PM

whidbey: tlchwi02: . not my favorite type of person. mostly because i'm not sure if they are helping or hurting their cause.

I'd say they're helping-- you really can't change anything by just sitting by and watching.

If you mean they probably turn off people, I'm sure they do bother a few prudes who probably think the EPA should be eliminated, anyway...

I don't think there's a more moderate solution to whaling going on right now, and that's why they're doing their thing. Nobody else will.


well, there was that whole scandal with the captain pretending to get shot that made the news. Doing stuff like that undermines your cause and also can reflect poorly on more mainstream activists.

but i agree with you- since nothing else seems to work, at least they are willing to do something. And didn't it have some success this last year?
 
2011-09-08 04:47:00 AM

MrSteve007: Hunh, guess that he doesn't know about this:

"Report: More Americans have green jobs than oil or gas jobs" (new window)

/installing some solar panels next week
//going to Hawaii two days later to install LED lamps


I guess that stats practically wrote themselves when someone decided everything involved with mass transit was now a green job. be surprised if bicycle sales isn't wedged in there, as well as landscaping.
 
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