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(The Atlantic Wire)   Scientists find evidence that not only did the ancestors of modern humans interbreed with Neandertals, but nearly every other semi-human species that they ran into. Theorize that beer was invented way earlier than originally thought   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 233
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2011-09-07 10:28:51 AM
Lacking actual DNA, Hammer and his team did what any modern scientist would do: they wrote a computer program. Using modern human DNA, Hammer says, they were able to "simulate history" and sort of reverse-engineer human DNA. In doing so, they found evidence that homo sapiens not only had sex with Neanderthals, they also interbred with homo erectus, the "upright walking man," homo hobilis, the "tool-using man," and possibly others. Hammer says that despite earlier skepticism about interbreeding between human species and despite the belief that humans were an exception to certain laws of evolution, our DNA shows otherwise.

I am firmly convinced that no theory of human evolution can be regarded as satisfactory unless the revelations of Piltdown are taken into account. ~ Arthur Keith
 
2011-09-07 10:30:44 AM
Didn't we already know this?
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2011-09-07 10:49:48 AM
Interesting. But how are the increased amount of biological explanations are going to affect our conceptions of people?
 
2011-09-07 11:01:48 AM
"Semi-human"?

/Remember: rule 34 + no religion = "You have got to be kidding me. Really?!?!".
 
2011-09-07 11:13:00 AM
why am I not surprised bevets was here.

can someone play the card please?
 
2011-09-07 11:14:22 AM
Wasn't this story posted like 3 weeks ago on Fark?
 
2011-09-07 11:14:37 AM
"Put me in a cage with anything... ANYTHING, and in a week, I'll fark it!"

/that comedian guy.
 
2011-09-07 11:14:50 AM
Party Boy: Interesting. But how are the increased amount of biological explanations are going to affect our conceptions of people?

Hey, I tell you what is. Big city, hmm? Live, work, huh? But not city only. Only peoples. Peoples is peoples. No is buildings. Is tomatoes, huh? Is peoples, is dancing, is music, is potatoes. So, peoples is peoples. Okay?
 
2011-09-07 11:15:08 AM
Bevets: Lacking actual DNA, Hammer and his team did what any modern scientist would do: they wrote a computer program. Using modern human DNA, Hammer says, they were able to "simulate history" and sort of reverse-engineer human DNA. In doing so, they found evidence that homo sapiens not only had sex with Neanderthals, they also interbred with homo erectus, the "upright walking man," homo hobilis, the "tool-using man," and possibly others. Hammer says that despite earlier skepticism about interbreeding between human species and despite the belief that humans were an exception to certain laws of evolution, our DNA shows otherwise.

I am firmly convinced that no theory of human evolution can be regarded as satisfactory unless the revelations of Piltdown are taken into account. ~ Arthur Keith


You are a known liar. Claims issued by you are not credible.
 
2011-09-07 11:15:15 AM
Ooh look. A piece of liver.

Excuse me, I'm going to be busy for a while.
 
2011-09-07 11:15:17 AM
What were their Fark handles?
 
2011-09-07 11:15:44 AM
Well. That explains my hairy back and protruding brow.
 
2011-09-07 11:17:07 AM
So the goatee on the billy goat is more than coincidental.
 
2011-09-07 11:17:23 AM
Bevets: Lacking actual DNA, Hammer and his team did what any modern scientist would do: they wrote a computer program. Using modern human DNA, Hammer says, they were able to "simulate history" and sort of reverse-engineer human DNA. In doing so, they found evidence that homo sapiens not only had sex with Neanderthals, they also interbred with homo erectus, the "upright walking man," homo hobilis, the "tool-using man," and possibly others. Hammer says that despite earlier skepticism about interbreeding between human species and despite the belief that humans were an exception to certain laws of evolution, our DNA shows otherwise.

I am firmly convinced that no theory of human evolution can be regarded as satisfactory unless the revelations of Piltdown are taken into account. ~ Arthur Keith


You're just jealous that even Neanderthals wouldn't want to fark someone as ugly as you.
 
2011-09-07 11:17:43 AM
Neandertals?
 
2011-09-07 11:19:23 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com

Success!
 
2011-09-07 11:19:27 AM
Bevets: Lacking actual DNA, Hammer and his team did what any modern scientist would do: they wrote a computer program. Using modern human DNA, Hammer says, they were able to "simulate history" and sort of reverse-engineer human DNA. In doing so, they found evidence that homo sapiens not only had sex with Neanderthals, they also interbred with homo erectus, the "upright walking man," homo hobilis, the "tool-using man," and possibly others. Hammer says that despite earlier skepticism about interbreeding between human species and despite the belief that humans were an exception to certain laws of evolution, our DNA shows otherwise.

I am firmly convinced that no theory of human evolution can be regarded as satisfactory unless the revelations of Piltdown are taken into account. ~ Arthur Keith


Piltdown man was a hoax and has been known to be a hoax for the last 50+ years. Maybe you could find a newer straw man?
 
2011-09-07 11:21:01 AM
This article states that H. sapiens were the only ones to cross oceans. What about H. florensis? The hobbit fossils were found exclusively on islands. Or are they an off-shoot from H. sapiens rather than a cousin? Did we fark them too?
 
2011-09-07 11:21:06 AM
Bevets: I am firmly convinced that no theory of human evolution can be regarded as satisfactory unless the revelations of Piltdown are taken into account. ~ Arthur Keith

Why are you giving a quote about something that was found to be a hoax?
 
2011-09-07 11:22:17 AM
www.diffcon.co.uk

So I guess things haven't really changed all that much in the 51st century?
 
2011-09-07 11:22:27 AM
TsarTom: Didn't we already know this?
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image.guardian.co.uk

Sicilians were spawned by Neanderthals.
 
2011-09-07 11:23:02 AM
the_sidewinder: Bevets: I am firmly convinced that no theory of human evolution can be regarded as satisfactory unless the revelations of Piltdown are taken into account. ~ Arthur Keith

Why are you giving a quote about something that was found to be a hoax?


He's an idiot.
 
2011-09-07 11:23:20 AM
Dimensio:

You are a known liar. Claims issued by you are not credible.


Isn't Bevets a bot? I figured that was the case years ago.
 
2011-09-07 11:24:43 AM
If only there was some rule that predicted this behavior in humans.
 
2011-09-07 11:26:03 AM
In my defense...I was hammered
 
2011-09-07 11:26:17 AM
It's like my dad used say about my girlfriends...people will still fark anything.
 
2011-09-07 11:27:50 AM
Most of them go to Cleveland Browns games as well.

mystiqueandaura.com
 
2011-09-07 11:27:55 AM
Disposable Rob: Dimensio:

You are a known liar. Claims issued by you are not credible.

Isn't Bevets a bot? I figured that was the case years ago.


More likely Bevets is a wholly-owned and operated subsidiary of Fark. A bot would be too much trouble, too complicated. It's way easier to just pay someone a couple bucks, or give them totalfark, in return for driving traffic in these threads.
 
2011-09-07 11:27:58 AM
cgraves67: This article states that H. sapiens were the only ones to cross oceans. What about H. florensis? The hobbit fossils were found exclusively on islands. Or are they an off-shoot from H. sapiens rather than a cousin? Did we fark them too?

They were good "spinners".
 
2011-09-07 11:28:00 AM
Jake Havechek: y, I tell you what is. Big city, hmm? Live, work, huh? But not city only. Only peoples. Peoples is peoples. No is buildings. Is tomatoes, huh? Is peoples, is dancing, is music, is potatoes. So, peoples is peoples. Okay?

?
 
2011-09-07 11:28:08 AM
Evidence found at the top of this thread.

*ook-ook* *screech*, Bevs.
 
2011-09-07 11:29:09 AM
Bevets: I am firmly convinced that no theory of human evolution can be regarded as satisfactory unless the revelations of Piltdown are taken into account. ~ Arthur Keith


Isn't the acceptance of Piltdown as fake a denial of creationism? Piltdown is only a hoax in the context of accepted evolutionary paths. Nobody ever took credit for it and there's no reason not to imagine that an omnipotent being simply created the unlikely amalgam out of thin air.
 
2011-09-07 11:29:41 AM
FeFiFoFark: "Put me in a cage with anything... ANYTHING, and in a week, I'll fark it!"

/that comedian guy.


More like kill, eat or fark it. But yeah, I wouldn't put that past most people. Or their parents.
 
2011-09-07 11:30:16 AM
cdn.theatlanticwire.com

HOW YOU DOIN'?
 
2011-09-07 11:31:10 AM
THE ARTICLE IS A DAMN LIE

Just want to shout that because it is just a pure lie.

there have been several DNA studies which have established pretty firmly that homo sapiens NEVER interbred with homo erectus or homo neanderthal.

This is why you can't trust mainstream science articles, they love to say things like SEX and NEANDERTHAL and have us picturing ancient man raping the heck out of the entire world literally but it's not actually true.

I'll cite the actual research papers if anyone is interested.
 
2011-09-07 11:36:42 AM
bonerici: THE ARTICLE IS A DAMN LIE

Just want to shout that because it is just a pure lie.

there have been several DNA studies which have established pretty firmly that homo sapiens NEVER interbred with homo erectus or homo neanderthal.

This is why you can't trust mainstream science articles, they love to say things like SEX and NEANDERTHAL and have us picturing ancient man raping the heck out of the entire world literally but it's not actually true.

I'll cite the actual research papers if anyone is interested.


I am curious. I thought they had genetic evidence of interbreeding with Neanderthals. Could you please link so I can be lazy about google?
 
2011-09-07 11:37:11 AM
the_sidewinder: Bevets: I am firmly convinced that no theory of human evolution can be regarded as satisfactory unless the revelations of Piltdown are taken into account. ~ Arthur Keith

Why are you giving a quote about something that was found to be a hoax?


Well, Arthur Keith was right. Scientist have taken the revelations of the piltdown man fraud, and made their process more rigorous. As of now, by that definition, we have a satisfactory theory of evolution. tada.
 
2011-09-07 11:38:56 AM
the_sidewinder: Bevets: I am firmly convinced that no theory of human evolution can be regarded as satisfactory unless the revelations of Piltdown are taken into account. ~ Arthur Keith

Why are you giving a quote about something that was found to be a hoax?


Presumably because the case is seen as an incident in which "evolutionists" falsified evidence to support their theory of evolution.

Nevermind that the case was debunked by other evolutionary scientists. And it wasn't as airtight as a size XXXXXL saddle fitted for a triceratops.
 
2011-09-07 11:39:45 AM
Bevets: Lacking actual DNA, Hammer and his team did what any modern scientist would do: they wrote a computer program. Using modern human DNA, Hammer says, they were able to "simulate history" and sort of reverse-engineer human DNA. In doing so, they found evidence that homo sapiens not only had sex with Neanderthals, they also interbred with homo erectus, the "upright walking man," homo hobilis, the "tool-using man," and possibly others. Hammer says that despite earlier skepticism about interbreeding between human species and despite the belief that humans were an exception to certain laws of evolution, our DNA shows otherwise.

I am firmly convinced that no theory of human evolution can be regarded as satisfactory unless the revelations of Piltdown are taken into account. ~ Arthur Keith


I don't see anything unreasonable about this quote, whatever the context. Keith was one who was skeptical about interbreeding, but he this was also before the discovery of DNA.

Religion and science are not incompatible.
 
2011-09-07 11:39:46 AM
TsarTom: Didn't we already know this?
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I'm confused. Who owns the leg in the right side of the photo?
 
2011-09-07 11:41:37 AM
PainInTheASP: "Semi-human"?

/Remember: rule 34 + no religion = "You have got to be kidding me. Really?!?!".


FTFY.

Also:

www.abroadintheyard.com

Like you wouldn't.
 
2011-09-07 11:42:00 AM
hailstorm: Religion and science are not incompatible.

They aren't? That's news to me.
 
2011-09-07 11:42:09 AM
So this explains duck lips?
 
2011-09-07 11:43:25 AM
bonerici: I'll cite the actual research papers if anyone is interested.

Do it for the lurkers.
If i google it, i get
Wired:
On a functional level, the DNA was no different from our own, but bore telltale molecular marks of Neanderthal heritage.

Many studies have posited a Neanderthal-human inbreeding. In 1999, researchers discovered a 25,000-year-old girl with mixed features. Population geneticists have found historical patterns of genetic influx so sudden that breeding with Neanderthals seems the most plausible explanation. But studies like those have not proved conclusive.

For people of African descent disappointed that they lack Neanderthal ancestry


Most People Carry Neanderthal Genes. WSJ

Neanderthal gene found in human DNA of people living out of Africa. The Times

So, yeah. Post it up for the lurkers. Me included.
 
2011-09-07 11:43:32 AM
bonerici: This is why you can't trust mainstream science articles, they love to say things like SEX and NEANDERTHAL and have us picturing ancient man raping the heck out of the entire world literally but it's not actually true.

I'll cite the actual research papers if anyone is interested. be in my bunk

FTFM
 
2011-09-07 11:43:58 AM
Shouldn't this headline have had the "Florida" tag?
 
2011-09-07 11:45:05 AM
I loathe Bevets, too, but I think he may be trying to say that scientific theory regarding evolution is suspect because anthropologists were so easily duped about Piltdown man, which would be a relatively valid point were it not damn-near a century ago and reliant upon methodology long-since improved or replaced.
 
2011-09-07 11:45:16 AM
That expalins the "girl" I ended up with that one time.

To Science!!!
 
2011-09-07 11:46:15 AM
hailstorm:

Religion and science are not incompatible.

Okay, Dr. Zaius.
 
2011-09-07 11:47:23 AM
Moonfisher: I loathe Bevets, too, but I think he may be trying to say that scientific theory regarding evolution is suspect because anthropologists were so easily duped about Piltdown man, which would be a relatively valid point were it not damn-near a century ago and reliant upon methodology long-since improved or replaced.

I think the existence of Bevets is clear evidence that some modern day humans have more Neanderthal genes in them than others. Thus, Bevets proves the theory of human evolution, and evolution in general.
 
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