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(Major League Baseball)   One year after successful Stephen Strasburg surgery, Stephen Strasburg strasburgs 5 scoreless strasburgs for the Washington Strasburgs   (mlb.mlb.com) divider line 29
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2011-09-07 09:51:24 AM
i207.photobucket.com
 
2011-09-07 09:51:51 AM
Hopefully he doesn't void the warranty on this elbow with his old, shiatty mechanics.
 
2011-09-07 09:52:08 AM
He was untouchable last night. Crowd was pretty weak because of the rain but it was still decent and loud, and the whole thing was fun. Rain held until 8:30 or so -- God loves Strasburg.
 
2011-09-07 09:52:40 AM
I barely know who this person is and I'm already sick of hearing about him.

//Lives in greater DC area
 
2011-09-07 09:54:47 AM
Harpertastic
 
2011-09-07 09:54:54 AM
I was watching the highlights this morning and all I could think was "Strasburg strikes out another one for the Strasburg Strasburg's." Thanks Fark.
 
2011-09-07 09:55:08 AM
It's too bad that major surgery is becoming the norm for pitchers.

I believe that if pitchers still used big windups like in the old days, there would be fewer arm/shoulder injuries.
 
2011-09-07 09:55:25 AM
Is he still throwing with the extended "W" so that his elbow kicks the bucket again in seven weeks, or has someone managed to coach him out of that?

Or, has he coached himself out of it? The Nationals coaching staff seemed not to care the first go-round. I don't know why this would be any different.
 
2011-09-07 09:57:24 AM
www.flockaball.com

*Does not approve*
 
2011-09-07 10:01:27 AM
The major league debut of Stephen Strasburg was one of the best things I've ever seen in sports, the kind of thing I actually would tell my grandkid about. I really hope he stays healthy.
 
2011-09-07 10:09:07 AM

tricycleracer: Hopefully he doesn't void the warranty on this elbow with his old, shiatty mechanics.


This. Unless he changes something, he's headed down the Mark Prior path.
 
2011-09-07 10:11:34 AM
theinfosphere.org

I'm starting to get the hang of this game. The Strasburgs are loaded, it's three Strasburgs to two anti-Strasburgs and the infield Strasburg rule is in effect, right?
 
2011-09-07 10:20:56 AM

Donnchadha: [theinfosphere.org image 360x270]

I'm starting to get the hang of this game. The Strasburgs are loaded, it's three Strasburgs to two anti-Strasburgs and the infield Strasburg rule is in effect, right?



Except for the word "Strasburg," that was complete gibberish.



/ Fine, just give me something crawling with parasites.
 
2011-09-07 10:25:44 AM

Donnchadha: [theinfosphere.org image 360x270]

I'm starting to get the hang of this game. The Strasburgs are loaded, it's three Strasburgs to two anti-Strasburgs and the infield Strasburg rule is in effect, right?


Except for the word Strasburg, that was complete jibberish
 
2011-09-07 10:27:19 AM

RhineStoneTaco: Is he still throwing with the extended "W" so that his elbow kicks the bucket again in seven weeks, or has someone managed to coach him out of that?

Or, has he coached himself out of it? The Nationals coaching staff seemed not to care the first go-round. I don't know why this would be any different.


You mean they didn't mess with a guy who can throw 100 mph with a wipeout slider and plus changeup?

Predicting pitcher health is an exercise in futility but I guess the Fark Doctors in this thread will be hired by a baseball team any day now.
 
2011-09-07 10:46:02 AM
5 innings does not a good start make.
 
2011-09-07 10:47:13 AM

Lost Thought 00: 5 innings does not a good start make.


My guess is he was on a strict 60 pitch count for his first start back. 56 pitches in 5 innings with 2 hits and 4 Ks is a pretty good start in my book.
 
2011-09-07 10:52:29 AM
Is it wrong that I'm excited about Strasburg even though he's going to be a major problem for the Mets if he does have a healthy career?

Lost Thought 00: 5 innings does not a good start make.


I'm sure he had the strict pitch count to end all strict pitch counts. No way you're taking out a guy who's having a game like that otherwise.
 
2011-09-07 10:52:30 AM

Orgasmatron138: It's too bad that major surgery is becoming the norm for pitchers.

I believe that if pitchers still used big windups like in the old days, there would be fewer arm/shoulder injuries.


Or if they raised the mound. It doesn't have to be at the height it was before they lowered it, but somewhere in between would probably help a lot.
 
2011-09-07 10:55:52 AM

Imperialism: RhineStoneTaco: Is he still throwing with the extended "W" so that his elbow kicks the bucket again in seven weeks, or has someone managed to coach him out of that?

Or, has he coached himself out of it? The Nationals coaching staff seemed not to care the first go-round. I don't know why this would be any different.

You mean they didn't mess with a guy who can throw 100 mph with a wipeout slider and plus changeup?

Predicting pitcher health is an exercise in futility but I guess the Fark Doctors in this thread will be hired by a baseball team any day now.


Some reading material:

Death to the Inverted W (new window)

Chris O'Leary's Worthless Argument Against the Inverted W (new window)

The latter is a critique of the first, although more from an experimental design point of view than anything related to actual biomechanical studies.
 
2011-09-07 11:01:58 AM

Imperialism: You mean they didn't mess with a guy who can throw 100 mph with a wipeout slider and plus changeup?


And IMO, if you're throwing 100 mph but only pitch in 20 games every two years, you're still worthless. If they can tweak his motion so that he only throws 95 but lasts for 10 years, I think that would be a plus. There is of course no way to be certain whether that can be done, but if the injuries continue, you'd want to try something to make sure your investment doesn't go down the drain.
 
2011-09-07 11:02:26 AM

Arkanaut: Imperialism: RhineStoneTaco: Is he still throwing with the extended "W" so that his elbow kicks the bucket again in seven weeks, or has someone managed to coach him out of that?

Or, has he coached himself out of it? The Nationals coaching staff seemed not to care the first go-round. I don't know why this would be any different.

You mean they didn't mess with a guy who can throw 100 mph with a wipeout slider and plus changeup?

Predicting pitcher health is an exercise in futility but I guess the Fark Doctors in this thread will be hired by a baseball team any day now.

Some reading material:

Death to the Inverted W (new window)

Chris O'Leary's Worthless Argument Against the Inverted W (new window)

The latter is a critique of the first, although more from an experimental design point of view than anything related to actual biomechanical studies.


I think all the Inverted W stuff boils down to the fact that the pitching elbow is too high at mid-delivery. I've seen some of O'Leary's pix where he shows guys like Nolan Ryan, and they put a lot less stress on the arm.
 
2011-09-07 11:03:19 AM

rag819: Lost Thought 00: 5 innings does not a good start make.

My guess is he was on a strict 60 pitch count for his first start back. 56 pitches in 5 innings with 2 hits and 4 Ks is a pretty good start in my book.


According to the Nats radio announcers he was on either 4 Inning or 60 pitches limitations. After he got through 4 in 48 pitches, the Nats decided to have him go into the 5th and hope he stayed below 60, which obviously worked out for them
 
2011-09-07 11:06:34 AM

Imperialism: You mean they didn't mess with a guy who can throw 100 mph with a wipeout slider and plus changeup?


I guess they didn't.

So where's Strasburg been for the past year again?
 
2011-09-07 11:11:38 AM

Arkanaut:
The latter is a critique of the first, although more from an experimental design point of view than anything related to actual biomechanical studies.


Good reads. I've not seen the critique, but it was interesting. And I agree on a lot of points it presents.

The "W" is in no way some kind of automatic elbow killer. But at some level it does become apparent if a pitcher is overloading that joint. There were people during Strasburg's debut that were saying he cannot last using his existing mechanics without some kind of injury.
 
2011-09-07 11:35:30 AM

Arkanaut: Imperialism: You mean they didn't mess with a guy who can throw 100 mph with a wipeout slider and plus changeup?

And IMO, if you're throwing 100 mph but only pitch in 20 games every two years, you're still worthless. If they can tweak his motion so that he only throws 95 but lasts for 10 years, I think that would be a plus. There is of course no way to be certain whether that can be done, but if the injuries continue, you'd want to try something to make sure your investment doesn't go down the drain.


This isn't a high performance engine that you can tone down and expect it to work at 98% and be a workhorse for as long as you want it. This is a highly competitive man who had heard every possible option on his health and career, and has decided he's ready to prepare himself for a normal offseason and a 100% effort next year.
 
2011-09-07 01:15:16 PM

Arkanaut: Imperialism: You mean they didn't mess with a guy who can throw 100 mph with a wipeout slider and plus changeup?

And IMO, if you're throwing 100 mph but only pitch in 20 games every two years, you're still worthless. If they can tweak his motion so that he only throws 95 but lasts for 10 years, I think that would be a plus. There is of course no way to be certain whether that can be done, but if the injuries continue, you'd want to try something to make sure your investment doesn't go down the drain.


They are actually working with him to tone it down to around 95-96. He did an interview and flat out said he's not throwing 100 mph every pitch any more because he simply doesn't have to. They are also working with him to limit the number of fastballs he throws. They are teaching him to use his other pitches in combination and to focus on his command. He's trying to use those two things to get people out instead of just blowing their doors off with 100 mph heaters.
 
2011-09-07 02:26:58 PM
As an SDSU alum, I was watching Strasburg ball before it was cool to watch Strasburg ball.
 
2011-09-07 03:31:15 PM

RhineStoneTaco:
The "W" is in no way some kind of automatic elbow killer. But at some level it does become apparent if a pitcher is overloading that joint. There were people during Strasburg's debut that were saying he cannot last using his existing mechanics without some kind of injury.


There are zero ways for a human to throw a baseball 95+ mph and not have a severe injury risk.

People predicting injuries for a pitcher are just stating an obvious fact. The question isn't "will he?", they are "when will he?" and "how badly?".
 
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