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(PhysOrg.com)   The Neutral People of the Neutral Country, with their hearts full of neutrality, think nuclear power can be phased out by 2050. By 2050 most power plants have been replaced by OH NO THERE GOES THE MICROWAVE BEAM AGAIN   (physorg.com) divider line 61
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2011-09-06 02:49:01 PM  
so they really do have a lust for power
 
2011-09-06 03:10:46 PM  
Neutral Milk Hotel?
 
2011-09-06 03:10:56 PM  
This calls for a Beige Alert.
 
2011-09-06 03:11:17 PM  
What makes a man turn Neutral?
 
2011-09-06 03:11:37 PM  
If I don't survive, tell my wife I said, "Hello."

/Futurama is a meme
 
2011-09-06 03:12:27 PM  
We don't have an opinion on this one way or the other.
 
2011-09-06 03:12:28 PM  

the_sidewinder: What makes a man turn Neutral?


Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
 
2011-09-06 03:12:56 PM  
we just need to look to SimCity2000 (where a lot of our future leaders will get their experience at running cities) and turn to Fusion Power plants. Instead of powerplants that blowup every 40 years.
 
2011-09-06 03:13:07 PM  
on the same page.......

Nuclear power vital to cutting CO2 emissions: report
 
2011-09-06 03:14:01 PM  
If I die tell my wife I said... Hello
 
2011-09-06 03:14:04 PM  
All I know is my heart says "maybe."
 
2011-09-06 03:16:44 PM  

RobbieFal: we just need to look to SimCity2000 (where a lot of our future leaders will get their experience at running cities) and turn to Fusion Power plants. Instead of powerplants that blowup every 40 years.


Fun fact; if you use nothing but rail you'll have no traffic problems.
 
2011-09-06 03:18:24 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: RobbieFal: we just need to look to SimCity2000 (where a lot of our future leaders will get their experience at running cities) and turn to Fusion Power plants. Instead of powerplants that blowup every 40 years.

Fun fact; if you use nothing but rail you'll have no traffic problems.


Railguns? I agree with that!
 
2011-09-06 03:18:37 PM  
Of course it's doable, but why? Modern plants can be built to be 100% safe and produce virtually no waste using breeder methods. As an added complication, if we assume that dramatic climate change is virtually unavoidable at this point, then increasing our glut of hydro plants is asinine: without glacier- and snow-fueled rivers, this method of power generation will literally dry up. While it is certainly a good idea to invest in alternatives, it makes absolutely no sense to phase out nuclear power entirely unless/until we have viable, comparable, cost-effective alternatives.
 
2011-09-06 03:18:49 PM  
What's the newest version of SimCity? I'm thinking about running for office and wanna brush up.
 
2011-09-06 03:19:00 PM  
Switzerland also has a tremendous amount of hydroelectric power available to them, something of which that very not every other country can avail itself at the same scale or proportion of national demand. So they're kind of a singular case, really.

But then again, Germany is the center of European solar energy generation, so anything's possible.
 
2011-09-06 03:19:46 PM  
This is exactly why power generation with nuclear energy should be run by the state. Remove the profit incentive, and maintenance/proper construction aren't an issue. We shouldn't be looking to take steps backwards because we had a few problems with nuclear power so far.
 
2011-09-06 03:20:04 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: RobbieFal: we just need to look to SimCity2000 (where a lot of our future leaders will get their experience at running cities) and turn to Fusion Power plants. Instead of powerplants that blowup every 40 years.

Fun fact; if you use nothing but rail you'll have no traffic problems.


Seriously? Even in Sim City 4?
 
2011-09-06 03:20:34 PM  
Good article, that. Probably an important issue for Switzerland, too, since I think they're one of the states that has to import the fuels for the nuke plants.

They're a small and dense enough country that they can probably get away with this without having to restructure the distribution networks too much, too. Probably not a bad move on their part if they decide to actually go with this idea.

//I loved the microwave stations. Any potential disaster made it more exciting in the later turns, where otherwise it kinda got monotonous.
 
2011-09-06 03:21:35 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: RobbieFal: we just need to look to SimCity2000 (where a lot of our future leaders will get their experience at running cities) and turn to Fusion Power plants. Instead of powerplants that blowup every 40 years.

Fun fact; if you use nothing but rail you'll have no traffic problems.


you and

wmoonfox: Of course it's doable, but why? Modern plants can be built to be 100% safe and produce virtually no waste using breeder methods. As an added complication, if we assume that dramatic climate change is virtually unavoidable at this point, then increasing our glut of hydro plants is asinine: without glacier- and snow-fueled rivers, this method of power generation will literally dry up. While it is certainly a good idea to invest in alternatives, it makes absolutely no sense to phase out nuclear power entirely unless/until we have viable, comparable, cost-effective alternatives.


you and

Callous: What's the newest version of SimCity? I'm thinking about running for office and wanna brush up.


you:

This is a Futurama thread. BarbadoSlim is exempt from this rule because of his handle. Spare us your space-age techno-babble about these video games.
 
2011-09-06 03:23:37 PM  
All forms of known power, no matter what it is, is nuclear at some level. It's just a matter of how much you want to waste/capture.
 
2011-09-06 03:24:01 PM  
Kif, hold the flag up behind me...


/and wave it for god's sake...
 
2011-09-06 03:24:33 PM  

vodka: All forms of known power, no matter what it is, is nuclear at some level. It's just a matter of how much you want to waste/capture.


What if I want to achieve 200% fuel efficiency?
 
2011-09-06 03:27:15 PM  

video man: Seriously? Even in Sim City 4?


Dunno, never played Sim City 4. But think about it, though. If there's no traffic, how can their be traffic jams? No cars = no car problems!
 
2011-09-06 03:29:18 PM  

vodka: All forms of known power, no matter what it is, is nuclear at some level. It's just a matter of how much you want to waste/capture.


If you want to count the sun's role as nuclear for solar collection, then yes, but that's a bit of a technicality don't you think? It's not like the sun will pose any threats to us for at least few billion years.
 
2011-09-06 03:32:38 PM  

RobbieFal: SimCity



....and leaving satisfied
 
2011-09-06 03:33:17 PM  

Marine1: vodka: All forms of known power, no matter what it is, is nuclear at some level. It's just a matter of how much you want to waste/capture.

What if I want to achieve 200% fuel efficiency?


You just have to get the scientists to increase the maximum efficiency allowed from a system.
 
2011-09-06 03:35:03 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: This is exactly why power generation with nuclear energy should be run by the state. Remove the profit incentive, and maintenance/proper construction aren't an issue. We shouldn't be looking to take steps backwards because we had a few problems with nuclear power so far.


The soviet-run Chernobyl plant was able to set up a system of perverse incentives to make their disaster a reality.

No matter who's in charge, people are always going to be greedy. It can be a contractor who's told to cut costs or finish early, it can be a manager who's told to make plant operators work longer hours, or any other number of people that aren't unilaterally allowed to make their own budget.

The profit motive is an awful thing in nuclear power, but it's not the only awful thing. I love nuclear technology, but people have proven time and time again that they suck at it, and it only takes one bad egg to cause a major catastrophe. I'd love to build more nuclear plants, but there's going to have to be an unprecedented level of public access in order to do so safely.
 
2011-09-06 03:35:25 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Dunno, never played Sim City 4.


Few people have... at least for more than about half an hour, because that's how long the damned thing will run before crashing to the desktop. I'm sure somebody will dispute, as they always do when you label their favorite game "crap", but all you have to do is hit Google to confirm the bug and its status.

CitiesXL 2012 is a much better (stable!), and updated, alternative. All the more so since Sim City Societies turned out to be a complete waste of time.
 
2011-09-06 03:37:26 PM  
www.lowbird.com
 
2011-09-06 03:38:33 PM  

Marine1: vodka: All forms of known power, no matter what it is, is nuclear at some level. It's just a matter of how much you want to waste/capture.

What if I want to achieve 200% fuel efficiency?


This can be accomplished with a little brass, wood, and steam.
 
2011-09-06 03:39:43 PM  

vodka: All forms of known power, no matter what it is, is nuclear at some level. It's just a matter of how much you want to waste/capture.


Actually, if you want to play technicalities, the colloquially used "nuclear power" refers specifically to nuclear fission. The sun generates energy primarily through nuclear fusion, so in that sense, not all power comes from "nuclear power". Moreover, the process that creates the heavy element necessary for nuclear fission is in fact a process of nuclear fusion... so again in that sense nuclear power does not come from "nuclear power".
 
2011-09-06 03:45:12 PM  

wmoonfox: Marine1: vodka: All forms of known power, no matter what it is, is nuclear at some level. It's just a matter of how much you want to waste/capture.

What if I want to achieve 200% fuel efficiency?

This can be accomplished with a little brass, wood, and steam.


Guys... c'mon. It's not a really popular episode, but really.
 
2011-09-06 03:45:51 PM  

MrCheeks: Kif, hold the flag up behind me...


/and wave it for god's sake...


where's the tiny umbrella? THAT's what makes it a scotch on the rocks!
 
2011-09-06 03:48:15 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: video man: Seriously? Even in Sim City 4?

Dunno, never played Sim City 4. But think about it, though. If there's no traffic, how can their be traffic jams? No cars = no car problems!


I think the houses need to be connected to a street in 4, hence the arrows pointing towards the street.
 
2011-09-06 03:51:22 PM  

Marine1: wmoonfox: Marine1: vodka: All forms of known power, no matter what it is, is nuclear at some level. It's just a matter of how much you want to waste/capture.

What if I want to achieve 200% fuel efficiency?

This can be accomplished with a little brass, wood, and steam.

Guys... c'mon. It's not a really popular episode, but really.


Explaining the joke would be especially impossible, unless it comes to you in a dream.
 
2011-09-06 03:55:24 PM  

Marine1: Satanic_Hamster: RobbieFal: we just need to look to SimCity2000 (where a lot of our future leaders will get their experience at running cities) and turn to Fusion Power plants. Instead of powerplants that blowup every 40 years.

Fun fact; if you use nothing but rail you'll have no traffic problems.

you and

wmoonfox: Of course it's doable, but why? Modern plants can be built to be 100% safe and produce virtually no waste using breeder methods. As an added complication, if we assume that dramatic climate change is virtually unavoidable at this point, then increasing our glut of hydro plants is asinine: without glacier- and snow-fueled rivers, this method of power generation will literally dry up. While it is certainly a good idea to invest in alternatives, it makes absolutely no sense to phase out nuclear power entirely unless/until we have viable, comparable, cost-effective alternatives.

you and

Callous: What's the newest version of SimCity? I'm thinking about running for office and wanna brush up.

you:

This is a Futurama thread. BarbadoSlim is exempt from this rule because of his handle. Spare us your space-age techno-babble about these video games.


True, except for the microwave beam reference in the title...
 
2011-09-06 03:57:02 PM  
Just design a really smart positronic robot who will worship the power satellite as a god, and keep the meters and dials in their holy, ordained positions.
 
2011-09-06 04:01:14 PM  

vwarb: Marine1: wmoonfox: Marine1: vodka: All forms of known power, no matter what it is, is nuclear at some level. It's just a matter of how much you want to waste/capture.

What if I want to achieve 200% fuel efficiency?

This can be accomplished with a little brass, wood, and steam.

Guys... c'mon. It's not a really popular episode, but really.

Explaining the joke would be especially impossible, unless it comes to you in a dream.


What if you forgot it in another dream?
 
2011-09-06 04:17:47 PM  
It's ok, we lose if we don't take off into space in our Arcologies by then anyways.
 
2011-09-06 04:34:32 PM  

D3_WR: MrCheeks: Kif, hold the flag up behind me...


/and wave it for god's sake...

where's the tiny umbrella? THAT's what makes it a scotch on the rocks!


Mix these mixed nuts. I see two almonds touching!
 
2011-09-06 04:40:53 PM  

StrangeQ: Marine1: vodka: All forms of known power, no matter what it is, is nuclear at some level. It's just a matter of how much you want to waste/capture.

What if I want to achieve 200% fuel efficiency?

You just have to get the scientists to increase the maximum efficiency allowed from a system.


That's why scientists increased the speed of light in 2208.
 
2011-09-06 04:46:20 PM  

vwarb: Marine1: wmoonfox: Marine1: vodka: All forms of known power, no matter what it is, is nuclear at some level. It's just a matter of how much you want to waste/capture.

What if I want to achieve 200% fuel efficiency?

This can be accomplished with a little brass, wood, and steam.

Guys... c'mon. It's not a really popular episode, but really.

Explaining the joke would be especially impossible, unless it comes to you in a dream.


Nothing is impossible if you can imagine it!

The jokes aren't going over your head. The joke is staying still while the audience passes underneath it!
 
2011-09-06 04:49:46 PM  

tburns6: on the same page.......

Nuclear power vital to cutting CO2 emissions: report


LOL, top link on that page, too... That's funny stuff.
 
2011-09-06 04:54:03 PM  

RobbieFal: we just need to look to SimCity2000 (where a lot of our future leaders will get their experience at running cities) and turn to Fusion Power plants. Instead of powerplants that blowup every 40 years.


Practical commerical nuclear fusion is just 20 years away.

Since 1953
 
2011-09-06 04:58:09 PM  
In 2050 the US will still be mostly on coal, assuming that we haven't switched over to directly burning endangered animals and our children.
 
2011-09-06 05:08:41 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Fun fact; if you use nothing but rail you'll have no traffic problems.


crashteams.com

"Expect delays..."
=Smidge=
 
2011-09-06 05:43:15 PM  
If I don't survive, tell my wife...hello.
 
2011-09-06 06:23:55 PM  

wmoonfox: Satanic_Hamster: Dunno, never played Sim City 4.

Few people have... at least for more than about half an hour, because that's how long the damned thing will run before crashing to the desktop. I'm sure somebody will dispute, as they always do when you label their favorite game "crap", but all you have to do is hit Google to confirm the bug and its status.

CitiesXL 2012 is a much better (stable!), and updated, alternative. All the more so since Sim City Societies turned out to be a complete waste of time.


If you put a specific command in the command line (right click) so that the game only uses one processor core, it fixes all problems.
 
2011-09-06 06:30:11 PM  

meat0918: Satanic_Hamster: video man: Seriously? Even in Sim City 4?

Dunno, never played Sim City 4. But think about it, though. If there's no traffic, how can their be traffic jams? No cars = no car problems!

I think the houses need to be connected to a street in 4, hence the arrows pointing towards the street.


Yep.

However, I figured out how to get 0 traffic issues.

Build subway stations on every other street corner. No corner with a subway station should be adjacent to a corner with a subway station. Same for without. (Think of the squares on a chessboard). Now build subway lines connecting every single station. If a line gets too crowded, build a line immediately parallel. Boom, everyone walks/rides to work. (this will however kill your commercial sectors as they heavily depended on the 33000 cars going down the street outside (not joking about 33,000).

/Other good tricks:
To spend $0 on landfills, take a midsized city. Build an island at the far corner of the map. Surround it with about a quarter of the maps worth of water. Now, put nothing but the waste incinerator plants on the island and build one tiny long bridge to get their. Set funding to $0. The plants won't produce any power, but they'll still burn trash (and produce lots of pollution, which is why you put them at the far corner of the map, and surrounded them with water).

To prevent a meltdown*, turn the tax on poor people up to the max.

*Some further explanation is probably required. Basically, you'll have a city of about 30 - 40K mid and high income people who largely work in the brand new high tech sectors because you JUST got education high enough for high-tech industry. At about this time, abut 5K new immigrants show up to live in the first low-income high-density building. Because immigrants in this game are ALWAYS stupid (and usually poor), your cities education drops JUST low enough to force all the high-tech (high-income) stuff to leave. This triggers the conversion of every high and mid-income building into low-income buildings that hold half the tax dollars and 3 times the people. So now your city holds 100K poor, largely unemployed stupid people with maybe 80% of the tax dollars of the 40K who stretch every bit of infrastructure to it's limits. Once I've hit one of these death spirals, I've never gotten back out. The only way to stop it is to stop the arrival of all the new immigrants, so the moment your education drops, you simply send taxes sky-high, and overinvest in education until your education levels are high enough.
 
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