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(MSNBC)   President Obama's approval rating hits historic low in poll. This is not a repeat from the last three weeks   (msnbc.msn.com ) divider line
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2011-09-06 08:30:45 AM  
This is what happens when you elect a guy with no real world experience just because his teleprompter gives a good speech.

How's that hope and change working out for you?

Worst. President. Evar.
 
2011-09-06 08:33:26 AM  
Doesn't matter. He'll be re-elected and then we'll have the first woman president in 2016...and it won't have a (R) after the name, either.
 
2011-09-06 08:37:17 AM  

BillCo: This is what happens when you elect a guy with no real world experience just because his teleprompter gives a good speech.


Really?

People are still carping on about the teleprompter thing as though it makes any sense whatsoever?

Look, I don't like Obama all that much, but at least I'm not so pathetic to think that building an argument around his use of a teleprompter is anything but woefully stupid and wildly embarrassing.

Maybe you should find a real reason to hate the guy? I mean, there has to be something you can hang your weird hatreds on, right? Maybe Obama's shoes are dirty? Maybe he uses the wrong kind of mustard?

Ooo! Lapel pins! Yes! You could crush him on lapel pins!
 
2011-09-06 09:18:14 AM  

Vodka Zombie: People are still carping on about the teleprompter thing as though it makes any sense whatsoever?


that guy's a well-known troll. you'd be smart to ignore him.

i38.tinypic.com
 
2011-09-06 09:18:22 AM  

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2011-09-06 09:21:04 AM  

BillCo: This is what happens when you elect a guy with no real world experience just because his teleprompter gives a good speech.


Weak, dude. Weak.

As for him being the worst President, uh how many countries did he destroy under false pretenses to get the mastermind behind the biggest terrorist attack on US soil in history that happened on his watch until he finally said he didn't care? How many Constitutional amendments did he wipe his ass with? How many natural disasters did he completely cock up the handling of? And so on. Obama has a lot of work to do if he wants the Worst President Ever crown.
 
2011-09-06 09:41:23 AM  
btw, i voted for obama - and will again, barring something unforeseen - but his speeches just sound like empty farking bullshiat to me anymore. i was listening to his detroit labor day speech this morning, and it just made me angry, because i know he can't back up any of his rhetoric, stirring or otherwise. i'll give the guy credit for passing the stimulus, HCR and financial reform, watered down though it was, but jesus christ, if he would just man the fark up and push back against these john birchers in congress, his approval would shoot up into the 50s.

this is what he should say:

good evening. i will keep this short.

our economy has stalled. and republicans in congress are making it worse because they think it will get them elected next year. but it's time for this partisan bullshiat to end. that's right; i said bull ((pause for emphasis)) shiat. it's time to act like adults, put country ahead of party and work together to change our economic course. and this is how we'll do it:

one - end the bush tax cut for all americans.
two - raise the capital gains tax from 15 to 25 percent
three - enact a second stimulus - a $1,5 trillion infrastructure program that will repair our roads, bridges and schools and prime the pumps of our economy.
four - reduce defense spending by 30 percent

yes, we will run deficits for a little while, just as we did after world war II. but make no mistake; this is war, and a stagnant, depressed economy is every much a danger to our great country today as the axis powers were in the early 1940s. but if we follow the other three points of my plan, our deficits will disappear by the end of this decade.

so i'm asking for a shared sacrifice. and i'm asking those who have benefitted the most to sacrifice the most, because it's the right thing to do.

now, republicans in congress will of course oppose this. truthfully, they would have opposed anything i said, regardless of the content. but i urge each and every one of you to contact your representative and voice your support for my plan. because, we can't do it without them. we can't do it alone.

seventy years ago, americans rallied together to fight fascism. ten years ago, americans rallied together to fight terrorism. today, we must rally together again to fight for the bright future of this country. i have no doubts we will succeed in this endeavor.

good night, and may god bless the united states of america.
 
2011-09-06 09:49:13 AM  
BillCo: This is what happens when you elect a guy with no real world experience just because his teleprompter gives a good speech.

You mean like W who has a string of failed businesses in his wake where his daddy had to bail him out?
 
2011-09-06 09:58:15 AM  

FlashHarry: one - end the bush tax cut for all americans.
two - raise the capital gains tax from 15 to 25 percent
three - enact a second stimulus - a $1,5 trillion infrastructure program that will repair our roads, bridges and schools and prime the pumps of our economy.
four - reduce defense spending by 30 percent


You just killed the economy. Congrats. The Greatest Depression is now yours.

An instant increase in our deficit of $1.5 trillion? When we are already $1.5 trillion in the hole...per year?

Capital gains tax being raised = less cash and credit available for development. especially at those rates.

Bush tax cuts being dropped completely might solve the debt problem in a good economy, but dropping for everyone will simply increase their tax burden, not increase their employment options or income.

This may very well be the dumbest "economy saving" proposal I've ever seen. And I've been on Fark a long time.
 
2011-09-06 09:59:31 AM  

I_C_Weener: You just killed the economy. Congrats. The Greatest Depression is now yours.


you mean just like infrastructure spending and tax hikes on the wealthy created the last great republican depression? oh, wait...!
 
2011-09-06 10:00:59 AM  

I_C_Weener: This may very well be the dumbest "economy saving" proposal I've ever seen. And I've been on Fark a long time.


i54.tinypic.com
 
2011-09-06 10:01:39 AM  
Anyone who doesn't think he's vulnerable in the next election is fooling themselves.
 
2011-09-06 10:03:47 AM  

Sybarite: Anyone who doesn't think he's vulnerable in the next election is fooling themselves.


of course he's vulnerable... to a moderate, rational challenger. that means jon huntsman. and he will be out by super tuesday or before. frankly, i think obama is more vulnerable to a primary challenge from his left.
 
2011-09-06 10:04:44 AM  

FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: You just killed the economy. Congrats. The Greatest Depression is now yours.

you mean just like infrastructure spending and tax hikes on the wealthy created the last great republican depression? oh, wait...!


First, you spent money you don't have. Then you tried to tax everyone to get that money...at a rate that won't touch the deficit, but will certainly affect everyone ... not just the rich.

And this infrastructure job proposal you came up with? Its the same infrastructure "stimulus" of "shovel ready" projects we've been waiting on for almost three years now.

You'd do better simply saying, "This economy sucks. It will right itself. We can tweak some things here and there, but must try not to correct it for fear of causing more damage. However, we can provide relief to those suffering through this economic downturn by providing extended tax breaks for those most effected, extending some unemployment options, extending and supplementing state insurance programs for the unemployed and underemployed. And we can certain draw down the military to something resembling the 1990s. What we can't do is spend more money we don't have to prime pumps that can't be primed."
 
2011-09-06 10:05:19 AM  

eddyatwork: BillCo: This is what happens when you elect a guy with no real world experience just because his teleprompter gives a good speech.

You mean like W who has a string of failed businesses in his wake where his daddy had to bail him out?


Fun fact. His failed oil business were funded by the the Saudis.
 
2011-09-06 10:06:53 AM  

I_C_Weener: You just killed the economy. Congrats. The Greatest Depression is now yours.

An instant increase in our deficit of $1.5 trillion? When we are already $1.5 trillion in the hole...per year?


short term deficits: the fatal distraction.
 
2011-09-06 10:09:26 AM  

I_C_Weener: This economy sucks. It will right itself.


but it won't right itself - not for a long time. republicans took this approach from 1929-1933. it wasn't until FDRs' new deal that the economy started growing again. we've been through this before. times have changed, but the model is still valid. consumer spending represents 70 percent of the economy. we HAVE to get people back to work NOW. tax cuts and "do nothing" will not help. it has never helped. and it never will help.
 
2011-09-06 10:10:18 AM  

FlashHarry: short term deficits: the fatal distraction.


Short term? Welcome to the new normal.
 
2011-09-06 10:11:45 AM  

I_C_Weener: First, you spent money you don't have.


yes. it's called deficit spending. and it is necessary during bad economic times. though, according to republicans, it only became bad on january 20, 2009.
 
2011-09-06 10:11:54 AM  
Anyone want to bet that on Thursday, Obama gives a speech decrying the malaise in the economy?
 
2011-09-06 10:13:22 AM  

I_C_Weener: FlashHarry: one - end the bush tax cut for all americans.
two - raise the capital gains tax from 15 to 25 percent
three - enact a second stimulus - a $1,5 trillion infrastructure program that will repair our roads, bridges and schools and prime the pumps of our economy.
four - reduce defense spending by 30 percent

You just killed the economy. Congrats. The Greatest Depression is now yours.

An instant increase in our deficit of $1.5 trillion? When we are already $1.5 trillion in the hole...per year?

Capital gains tax being raised = less cash and credit available for development. especially at those rates.

Bush tax cuts being dropped completely might solve the debt problem in a good economy, but dropping for everyone will simply increase their tax burden, not increase their employment options or income.

This may very well be the dumbest "economy saving" proposal I've ever seen. And I've been on Fark a long time.


You sound tea-curious
 
2011-09-06 10:14:15 AM  

I_C_Weener: FlashHarry: short term deficits: the fatal distraction.

Short term? Welcome to the new normal.


an analogy: if you're a small rural hospital and there's a massive pileup on the interstate near you, you might have to borrow blood from another hospital. saying, "too bad; some of you will die because we don't like to borrow blood" is not the right approach.

the "do nothing and hope for the best" approach means that our unemployment rate will remain at around ten percent for a decade or more. and that is unacceptable.
 
2011-09-06 10:15:45 AM  
The only way the republicans can win this election is if the democrats just don't bother running anyone.
 
2011-09-06 10:16:41 AM  
I_C_Weener:

Well you see, Ronald Reagan proved that deficits don't matter, am I right?
 
2011-09-06 10:20:38 AM  
The problem with simple approval, is that there is no measure of whether people are disapproving because they want him to move to the right, or they disapprove from the left and think he has caved too much already. When it comes to election time, if only 40% approve, and another 20% disapprove because they want him to act like a real Democrat and move back to the left, that still only leaves 40% to vote for the Republican; not nearly enough to get elected.
 
2011-09-06 10:22:05 AM  
I still expect Obama to be re-elected. He's a likable politician who speaks well.

I hope he has learned from his mistakes. I hope he and Congress move more to the center. I hope the economy improves soon. I hope, because this country is a mess right now and he needs to own that mess.

Then he needs to find a way to fix it that doesn't involve the same sort of mistakes he made with the trillion dollars in stimulus spending that was handed to him. That didn't work. Calling for more of the same scares me.
 
2011-09-06 10:25:19 AM  

BillCo: This is what happens when you elect a guy with no real world experience just because his teleprompter gives a good speech.

How's that hope and change working out for you?

Worst. President. Evar.


Well said.
 
2011-09-06 10:27:50 AM  

Cletus C.: That didn't work. Calling for more of the same scares me.


it didn't work because there wasn't enough of it. and a lot of it was in the form of tax cuts. and a lot of it was focused on longer term things like biotech and other green technology spending.

no, what we need is another WPA. direct government spending offers far more stimulus to the economy than any other form - with tax cuts being waaaay at the bottom of the list.

the trouble is, we need to pay it back when the economy gets going again, just like we did in the 1950s. but americans don't want to do that. so, we're basically farked.
 
2011-09-06 10:28:11 AM  

Triaxis: This is what happens when you elect a guy with no real world experience just because his teleprompter gives a good speech.just because he seems like a "good guy to have a beer with"


FTFB
 
2011-09-06 10:30:20 AM  

FlashHarry: Cletus C.: That didn't work. Calling for more of the same scares me.

it didn't work because there wasn't enough of it. and a lot of it was in the form of tax cuts. and a lot of it was focused on longer term things like biotech and other green technology spending.

no, what we need is another WPA. direct government spending offers far more stimulus to the economy than any other form - with tax cuts being waaaay at the bottom of the list.

the trouble is, we need to pay it back when the economy gets going again, just like we did in the 1950s. but americans don't want to do that. so, we're basically farked.


Thank you. That's exactly the sort of reasoning that scares the hell out of me.
 
2011-09-06 10:33:01 AM  
Just a curious question: How many of those who disapprove are left leaning and feel let down by the center-right president they elected? These people will never vote republican. Without that bit of info the poll isn't terribly telling about Obama's future chances.
 
2011-09-06 10:33:39 AM  

Cletus C.: Thank you. That's exactly the sort of reasoning that scares the hell out of me.


Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
 
2011-09-06 10:34:27 AM  
Whatever Obama proposes has almost zero percent chance of making it through Congress; the House Teabaggers are going to howl about "deficit spending!" while the Senate would just filibuster it to death. He needs to stop making proposals that aren't going to go anywhere and just speak to the public about how the Republicans are deliberately blowing up the economy in the hope it takes his reelection chances with it.

Not just that, but he needs to point out that none of his appointees have even reached a vote on the Senate floor, the historic number of filibusters, the claims by McConnell that "his #1 job is to make sure Obama isn't reelected", etc, etc. Only after he's laid this groundwork should he make a proposal for getting the economy back on its feet. If that requires deficit spending so be it; if consumers and businesses aren't spending (and they aren't), then all that's left is for the government to do so.

/unless you want a dead economy
 
2011-09-06 10:36:35 AM  
So......vote republican?
 
2011-09-06 10:37:37 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: You sound tea-curious


Nice.

Jake Havechek: Well you see, Ronald Reagan proved that deficits don't matter, am I right?


Short term deficits within limits aren't bad. Long-term out of control deficits do matter. We are closer to the latter than the former.


FlashHarry: the "do nothing and hope for the best" approach means that our unemployment rate will remain at around ten percent for a decade or more. and that is unacceptable.


And I stopped believing in projections like that after the "pass the stimulus or our unemployment rate might be around 8%" speech by our President.
 
2011-09-06 10:38:01 AM  

Cletus C.: I still expect Obama to be re-elected. He's a likable politician who speaks well.

I hope he has learned from his mistakes. I hope he and Congress move more to the center. I hope the economy improves soon. I hope, because this country is a mess right now and he needs to own that mess.

Then he needs to find a way to fix it that doesn't involve the same sort of mistakes he made with the trillion dollars in stimulus spending that was handed to him. That didn't work. Calling for more of the same scares me.


The centre itself has shifted to the Right.
 
2011-09-06 10:39:14 AM  

Cletus C.: Then he needs to find a way to fix it that doesn't involve the same sort of mistakes he made with the trillion dollars in stimulus spending that was handed to him. That didn't work.


You do know you are wrong, don't you? The "trillion", which was only actually $720 billion (288 of which was TAX CUTS) prevented another depression. You do realize that the reason the economy is stalling is because the stimulus is running out? You do realize that deficits are not the problem, that JOBS are the problem.
 
2011-09-06 10:39:24 AM  

FlashHarry: Cletus C.: Thank you. That's exactly the sort of reasoning that scares the hell out of me.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.


And i could counter with the definition of insanity, but we're not really getting anywhere with this.
 
2011-09-06 10:39:50 AM  

Bendal: while the Senate GOP would just filibuster it to death.


Let's at least be accurate.
 
2011-09-06 10:40:24 AM  
BUUUUUUSH's FAULT!!!
 
2011-09-06 10:41:11 AM  
Man, if only Obama could completely screw the pooch and allow an unprecedented terrorist attack, killing thousands of Americans.

Then he would have the high approval rating he would so richly deserve.
 
2011-09-06 10:41:49 AM  

Dinki: You do realize that the reason the economy is stalling is because the stimulus is running out?


so you're saying the stimulus delayed the depression?
 
2011-09-06 10:43:08 AM  

Dinki: You do know you are wrong, don't you? The "trillion", which was only actually $720 billion (288 of which was TAX CUTS) prevented another depression. You do realize that the reason the economy is stalling is because the stimulus is running out? You do realize that deficits are not the problem, that JOBS are the problem.


What the stimulus did (and all the other spending) was delay and cushion things. It didn't prevent anything. If it did, then when it ran out, we'd have been fine. It delayed things. Guess what...we spent like crazy...and now we can't spend no more. The cushion is gone. It is now time to experience the un-cushioned might of this fully dysfunctional economy.
 
2011-09-06 10:44:00 AM  

twobux: Doesn't matter. He'll be re-elected and then we'll have the first woman president in 2016...and it won't have a (R) after the name, either.


Meanwhile, back in the real world...

America slides into a theocratic morass and people like you are hunted like wild pigs.

I only have a problem with the first part of that sentence by the way.
 
2011-09-06 10:44:05 AM  

I_C_Weener: and now we can't spend no more.


Sure we can.
 
2011-09-06 10:44:14 AM  

RminusQ: Man, if only Obama could completely screw the pooch and allow an unprecedented terrorist attack, killing thousands of Americans.

Then he would have the high approval rating he would so richly deserve.


That would be a disaster. I mean, he hasn't even been able to fix the problem he was elected to fix and you think he could handle surprises.

/not that an economy can be fixed, mind you.
 
2011-09-06 10:46:14 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: I_C_Weener: and now we can't spend no more.

Sure we can.


Even the US can't spend unconditionally forever. Republicans want to pull back now because they see us on a brink. Democrats don't believe there is a brink. (over simplified and derp removed from the talking point bits).
 
2011-09-06 10:47:29 AM  
Oh yeah Wall Street Urinal and NBC - two sources that are an absolute waste of time. Bring back Donohue you gutless shills.
 
2011-09-06 10:50:10 AM  

I_C_Weener: Even the US can't spend unconditionally forever.


No one is saying that we can. Man made of straw.

I_C_Weener: Republicans want to pull back now because they see us on a brink. Democrats don't believe there is a brink.


And we should listen to Republicans' opinions on the deficit and debt...why, exactly? We're where we are thanks to them. They have no credibility when it comes to fiscal responsibility. None. More stimulus = more jobs = more revenue. If we get the unemployment rate down to reasonable levels the deficit (which Obama has reduced two years in a row) and debt will take care of themselves.
 
2011-09-06 10:50:14 AM  

I_C_Weener: Republicans want to pull back now because they see us on a brink. Democrats don't believe there is a brink. (over simplified and derp removed from the talking point bits).


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