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2003-09-17 02:24:27 PM  
General: Lets advance the troops to the 50 clicks west
Subordinate: That's suicide general! That will never work.!
General: You will do as I order.
Subordinate: I'm not going to let you start WWWIII!
General: Will not
Subordinate: Will too
General: Will not
Subordinate: Will too
General: Will not
Subordinate: Will too
General: Will not
Subordinate: Will too
General: You are filling sandbags, Corporal--not raiding Nuclear Bomb facilities
Subordinate: Oh, Yeah, I forgot. Nevermind.

/Military soap opera
 
2003-09-17 02:24:32 PM  
Wake_N_Bake
god Republicans are stupid.

now they're rationalizing whatever they can to support their candidate and ignorantly attacking the other side, mostly with unrelated 'well look at what CLINTON DID!!!'


Huh, it reminds pretty much the same way.

Big_Bad_Dad

Did you forget to log in as Ms. Information or something?

3Horn
 
2003-09-17 02:24:42 PM  
How about:

A. Draft dodging pansy who fueled his alcoholism while my father risked his life day after day in Vietnam.

B. Civil liberties violator that threatens the very foundation of the US.

C. Our brand new neocon propaganda machine.


Satisfied, LanceBoil?

(and I'm not really a liberal either...)
 
2003-09-17 02:25:15 PM  
"The smear campaign begins. Bush and the republicans are so scared of Clark, they are pulling out all the stops and flinging great gobs of mud because they don't stand a chance debating REAL issues with him."



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAA


Oh my....that one was a ZINGER!
 
2003-09-17 02:25:52 PM  
TypoFlyspray can not read War Criminal got tossed around wiht his name in 99? Read or no one can save you.

Troll
 
2003-09-17 02:27:23 PM  
Vman
3horn no the problem is "Flexing" for the last (D) admin


We weren't referring to the Clinton Administration, we were referring to the accusations that Clark was playing tough with the Russians.

3Horn
 
2003-09-17 02:27:33 PM  
For the record this article was written in 2000. It was written by the BBC, stop trying to make it look like some neo con backlash. It is standard Brittish news anti americanism, we see this all the time.
 
2003-09-17 02:27:55 PM  
ruta
Man, when are folks going to learn Reagan can't take sole credit for that? A rusty, undercut economic structure collapsed on his watch and he gets the credit for it.

Um, if I'm not mistaken wasn't the Soviet Union the strongest it had ever been in the late 70's? I believe that's why 'Star Wars' was thought up in the first place as the balance of power was believed to have shifted to the Soviets.
 
2003-09-17 02:28:24 PM  
Clark / Powell in 2004.

Holy crap!
 
2003-09-17 02:28:56 PM  
B_B_D I think I love you. :-)
 
2003-09-17 02:29:02 PM  
3horn- umm... when we say look at what clinton did, we do so because he blew off foreign policy for 8 years. gave secrets to china. pacified NK. etc. etc.

it's because Bush has to clean it up now that the consequences from such a reckless disregard of duty are being realized.

Bush drinking 30-odd years ago has less merit than Clark in 2000.

hope that clears it up.
 
2003-09-17 02:29:09 PM  
He got vetoed by the Brits. At least he listened. Multilateralism works!
 
2003-09-17 02:29:11 PM  
linewalker
Are you referring to Clinton, the UN & CNN?
 
2003-09-17 02:29:53 PM  
There's a difference between military might and economic might, and in fact, it was because of the syphoning of all resources into the military that contributed to the economic collapse.
 
2003-09-17 02:30:10 PM  
 
2003-09-17 02:30:21 PM  
paradroid --
"How about the Geneva Convention, you foolish person?"

Easy. We haven't broken the Geneva Convention. If we were we'd there would be a bigger fuss about it internationally. We loopholed it.


"Also, I was referring to freezing millions for the World Health Organization that we'd agreed to pay. That's treaty-breaking. You see, we were afraid that some of the money might not be going to abstinence-only education."


Abstinence is a valid form of birth control. Actually, it's the most common sense method. Money should be going to it. If they changed the terms after we agreed, then it's not breaking it. We agreed to one thing not the other. Frankly, I'll see have to see some actual details beyond your word for it.
 
2003-09-17 02:30:42 PM  
MrGumboPants -- Not even Kucinich? Judging from his website, the man's a bit... out there, with statements like "Nonviolence and peace are inevitable" (OK, when all life is dead, but...), wanting price controls on prescription drugs, insisting that people have the /right/ to a job, proposing (complete, it seems) public funding of campaigns, supporting Kyoto, canceling WTO and NAFTA, proposing instant-runoff voting...
Granted, he likely doesn't stand a snowball's chance in Hades, but he doesn't seem to be particularly moderate.
 
2003-09-17 02:30:45 PM  
linewalker:

Civil liberties violator that threatens the very foundation of the US.

Can you please cite an example of how you, a law abiding citizen, has experienced the violation of your civil rights? I keep hearing about this but have yet to see any concrete evidence of people being rounded up off the streets and placed in jail, or being unable to assemble and march against trade policy and the government's actions in Iraq.

This is such a vitriolic yet ultimately empty claim!
 
2003-09-17 02:30:57 PM  
Duh-- messed up HTML tags... above post should have included quote from Squee's post.
 
2003-09-17 02:31:00 PM  
linewalker you forgot some for b)

B. Civil liberties violator that threatens the very foundation of the US. who was only available for the job because he lost to a dead guy, who when entering office had the naked forms of two statues, the Spirit of Justice and the Majesty of Law, covered with a blue curtain. A christian fundamentalist who is against drinking, gambling, and dancing. and who once said this in front of Congress "Those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, only aid terrorists."
 
2003-09-17 02:31:41 PM  
"Um, if I'm not mistaken wasn't the Soviet Union the strongest it had ever been in the late 70's? I believe that's why 'Star Wars' was thought up in the first place as the balance of power was believed to have shifted to the Soviets."

I thought that it came out that they was rampant forgery of economic indicators by the Soviets in the 70s and 80s. I'm no expert, but I think there are lots of things you can do in a closed, command economy that make you look richer than you really are (they hoped to make the US outspend them on an arms race they couldn't win). The parades with the empty warheads, but with GDP instead?
 
2003-09-17 02:31:54 PM  
I am republican.

but i also have my own thoughts and am capable of thinking for myself. this guy is our man. anyone who doesn't look at clarks resume and feel impressed by it, is hazed by their "politic religion"

He has amazing life experience. this country has not seen a canidate the likes of clark since Teddy Roosevelt. to date in my lifetime i have never been this excited about an election b/c there has never been anyone worthy of my excitement, till now

all this article tells me about this particular incident is that he followed the chain of command LIKE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO.
 
2003-09-17 02:32:01 PM  
There's a difference between military might and economic might, and in fact, it was because of the syphoning of all resources into the military that contributed to the economic collapse.

Indeed and many 'experts' site 'Star Wars' spending and the Russians trying to keep up as being the thing that finally pushed thier economy over.
 
2003-09-17 02:32:26 PM  
LanceBoil
Just wondering, how does the UN threaten civil liberties in the US. I realize that you're desperate, but please get a mitt before you try to get in the game.
 
2003-09-17 02:32:40 PM  
If a pipe bomb is a "weapon of mass destruction", is going AWOL a "war crime"?

Discuss.
 
2003-09-17 02:33:15 PM  
ruta

"Holy Crap" as in "wow, I can't believe that two ex-military men could have such a broad-based appeal to both left-leaning cons and more centrist lefties, not to mention the cross-racial appeal of the team"?

"Holy Crap" as in "your worst ticket nightmare ever"?

"Holy Crap" as in "Wow, Bill_Wick's_Friend..you are a political anylist extrordinaire who should be working for some high-powered lobbyist or somewhere within the executive branch"?

I go with the first...but #3 is nice too. :)
 
2003-09-17 02:33:25 PM  
Woo! This flamewar's quickly getting wild and widespread from the topic-- from an article written three years ago.

I'm going to bail on this one and wait until there's something fresh to tear apart.
 
2003-09-17 02:33:27 PM  
"Can you please cite an example of how you, a law abiding citizen, has experienced the violation of your civil rights?"

According to recent articles on slate, most of us would never know that we've had our liberties violated. It's more an issue of taking away public oversight on the uses of these powers and broadening the definition of 'terrorist' to anyone the gov't might think is vaguely involved with a group the gov't doesn't like.

And none of the patriot changes would have stopped 9/11.
 
2003-09-17 02:34:05 PM  
Wesley Clark was born an Orthodox Jew, raised as a Southern Baptist and converted to become a Catholic.

True. I swear it happened. Really.
 
2003-09-17 02:35:05 PM  

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2003-09-17 02:35:23 PM  
paradroid:

Also, I was referring to freezing millions for the World Health Organization that we'd agreed to pay. That's treaty-breaking. You see, we were afraid that some of the money might not be going to abstinence-only education.

Prior to Bush/Cheney coming to office, Clinton/Gore committed those funds to the WHO knowing the Treasury couldn't (and wouldn't) pay. All they better for making Bush look like the Big Bad Meanie who didn't care about the kids.

Also, funding of birth control programs was cut b/c those funds, earmarked for contraceptives, were being used to promote abortion. That's a violation of the agreement. And, as Omega has stated, abstinence, especially in countries with rampant HIV/AIDS rates and disdain for use of condoms, is something that should be discussed as part of a comprehensive approach to education about the disease.
 
2003-09-17 02:35:29 PM  
Anagrammer
...Yes, I imagine that quickening the downfall of the Soviet Union would be horrifying to you. After all, it was a socialist paradise!

Oh sure, yeah. Ya know, according to members of the Soviet general staff, Reagan's nearly bankrupting out country to build arms we'll never use surely hastened the demise of the USSR...

...By as much as 12 weeks.

It was falling apart. It didn't even need a swift kick to come down, just a good sneeze. And to whom does the credit accrue? Reagan? A little, sure, but mostly the presidents before him, rethuglican and Democratic equally.

With all apologies to Patty and Ron (he's there dad, and I'm sure he would love them if could remember who they are) Reagan is suffering the clearest cut case of poetic justice since the Trojans ignored Cassandra.

Lemme clear up my earlier post a bit: I am not referring to the main article, but rather a link in one of the earlier comments when I note that the war crimes stories are out already.
 
2003-09-17 02:35:43 PM  
Okay, lets look at this critically, shall we?

Wesley Clark.... 4 Star General
Party.... Democrat
Irony.... Stellar
 
2003-09-17 02:35:50 PM  
BritneysSpeculum

I was making a valid point to counter that of linewalker.

What about the other 2?
 
2003-09-17 02:36:05 PM  
Abstinence is a valid form of birth control.

BS, you forgot homosexuality.
 
2003-09-17 02:36:10 PM  
LanceBoil

I didn't vote for Clinton, the UN does not have anything to do with our constitution, and CNN is far from a neocon stronghold and not on my list of amazing news sources. Don't bait and switch.


Oh, and wunderbar for Clark. Most of these candidates are starting to make me worry. I just wish I had enough time to fully checky them out before I decide on who I'm voting for.
 
2003-09-17 02:37:03 PM  
All I can say is I'm looking forward to the day the wingnuts call CNN the "Clark News Network".

Heee heee!
 
2003-09-17 02:37:43 PM  
wrangler92

Your hero Bill Clinton was rumored to have fibbed a little himself. Remember?
 
2003-09-17 02:38:56 PM  
BTW, I think of all 63 Dem candidates, Clark is definitely the best option.
 
2003-09-17 02:39:10 PM  
oh my god bill!!

Clark / Powell in 2004.I would vote for that.


that would be the absolute shizznit!! ah to dream of America the Beautiful as a country run by someone worth a damn!
 
2003-09-17 02:39:40 PM  
Sqee

I think an eight year war in Afghanistan that helped the process along more than some vaporware lasers
 
2003-09-17 02:39:49 PM  
 
2003-09-17 02:40:10 PM  
Powell / Clark maybe. In 2008.
 
2003-09-17 02:40:53 PM  
good point gumbo
 
2003-09-17 02:41:05 PM  
Mr. Gumbo:

According to recent articles on slate, most of us would never know that we've had our liberties violated. It's more an issue of taking away public oversight on the uses of these powers and broadening the definition of 'terrorist' to anyone the gov't might think is vaguely involved with a group the gov't doesn't like.

So, in other words, your rights have been violated without your knowledge? What a cop out! And the last time I looked, no one's dismantled the checks-and-balances that exist between the three branches of government.

Once again, empty hyperbole and rhetoric rules the Liberal day!
 
2003-09-17 02:41:15 PM  
Wake_N_Bake
3horn- umm... when we say look at what clinton did, we do so because he blew off foreign policy for 8 years. gave secrets to china. pacified NK. etc. etc.


I can refute both of those right now.

The secrets sold to China occurred either during the Reagan/Bush administrations, or were legally sold by Lockheed Martin.

Clinton "pacified" North Korea by getting them to agree to dismantle their Soviet-designed breeder reactor in exchange for a modern Western designed non-breeder reactor. In the meantime, the US would provide N. Korea with fuel oil in exchange for keeping the reactor inactive until the replacement could be built. Yeah, that's really pacification.

3Horn
 
2003-09-17 02:41:24 PM  
Drudge: Brit general to Clark: "I don't want to start WW3!"

In other words:

Drudge: I got nothin'.
 
2003-09-17 02:42:16 PM  
2003-09-17 02:35:50 PM LanceBoil
BritneysSpeculum
I was making a valid point to counter that of linewalker.
What about the other 2?


How is that a valid point about the UN. Unless you believe in those black helicopters. Trust me, they are just a right wing fantasy. They really don't exist.
 
2003-09-17 02:43:07 PM  
Better yet

Powell / Clark in 2008....but under NEITHER party banner. Form a Demopublican party or something. fark Kang and Kodos and start the US back on the path to a true representative democracy with more than two parties who do nothing but bicker on firmly set party lines while neglecting their constituents and their country's needs.

If anyone has the respect and cross-party appeal to begin this shakeup of the system it would be these two.
 
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