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2011-09-05 01:29:02 PM

PizzaJedi81: somemoron: I thought that Conspiracy was a good arc for the first season. The Bord definitely replaced it what with the "They're coming!" bit, but I would have liked to see that arc continued, even if it was much later.

I read somewhere that the Conspiracy and the Borg were originally supposed to be related, but they dropped that because...um...hey, look over there!

\Also, they ruined the Borg when they gave them a Queen. Still entertaining, but not as terrifying as a mindless, soulless wave of cybernetic consumers.
\\The Cybernetic Consumers(tm), On tour now!

I dunno. It changed them from robo-zombies to robo-ants. COULD be as bad, but...::shrug::


I had a theory on the Queen character the origin of the Borg. A scientist attempting to save his wounded daughter uses technology and nanites in an attempt to heal/revive her. The technology goes bad and she starts to turn the entire town into Borg. This explains why there are multiple copies of the Queen in different quadrants.
 
2011-09-05 01:30:03 PM
So this is basically a list of points in different series when the author wasn't paying attention.
 
2011-09-05 01:33:17 PM

DamnYankees: The West Wing - Sam loses. This is made pretty obvious. He leaves the White House knowing he will lose and presumably does. What more is there to say?


Yeah, I was gonna say... They had that scene in the bar with Sam and Toby, where the latter tells the former, it's over and Toby didn't want Sam to just twist in the wind alone. The entire show made it pretty clear you're either in or you're out, and if you lose an election you're just gone. That's one thing I liked about the Sorkin Years: A distinct lack of sentimentality when it came to winners and losers.
 
2011-09-05 01:44:59 PM
Heroes - Hyping up the whole villains event the whole summer...only to kill them off three episodes in. Shocker the writers strike farked it up or so they say.

Fringe - I forgot about the whole pattern thing. Maybe it was for the best though.
 
2011-09-05 01:51:42 PM
The best part of the Conspiracy storyline was it was one of the best attempts by TNG to have an arc. The conspiracy was hinted at during several episodes prior to the end of the arc, and Remmick showed up often enough that it was pretty shocking what they did to him.
 
2011-09-05 01:53:36 PM

eddievercetti: Fringe - I forgot about the whole pattern thing. Maybe it was for the best though.


Isn't the pattern pretty much what we're just still going through now?
 
2011-09-05 01:53:44 PM

eddievercetti: Heroes - Hyping up the whole villains event the whole summer...only to kill them off three episodes in. Shocker the writers strike farked it up or so they say.

Fringe - I forgot about the whole pattern thing. Maybe it was for the best though.


They didn't drop "The Pattern". "The Pattern" was the code name for the series of events they had no explanation for. Once they had an explanation for what was going on, aka Walternate, the need for the blanket code name for unexplained occurances vanished.

It's like the whole thing after 9/11, once we knew it was Al Quaida, we didn't refer to the attackers as "Unknown terrorists" anymore.
 
2011-09-05 01:54:10 PM
I always found it odd that Tony Soprano never tried to find Melfi's rapist.
 
2011-09-05 02:04:04 PM

good_2_go: I always found it odd that Tony Soprano never tried to find Melfi's rapist.


I thought it was that Tony never knew? That whole scene at the end of that episode, where he asked her what's wrong and is there anything she needs to tell him, and she just says "no" with finality.
 
2011-09-05 02:07:30 PM
Writer doesn't watch House much apparently.

1 the guy who shot House was shot and caught immediately and spent the rest of the episode chained to a bed next to House. In that episode why he shot House was well explained and presumably the guy isn't mentioned ever again is he went to jail for life.

2 the Foreman near death episodes aftermath played out over several following episodes as he had to learn some things all over again and was, for a brief time a very different person and House made much of how BS Foremans attitude conversion was until finally he was proven right and Foreman went back to his old self.

How much more plot exploration did that need for the author?
 
2011-09-05 02:11:04 PM

Tatsuma: What were those skeletons below the waterfall?


Rose and Bernard
 
2011-09-05 02:11:07 PM
Body-snatching-alien conspiracy, Star Trek: The Next Generation

best. episode. evar. god i love conspiracies.

im disappointed they didnt make this idea into a movie, let alone further tv episodes.

one rumour i heard was that this race was originally what the writers conceived to be what eventually became the borg. if so, i guess it can be forgiven, the borg were pretty cool.
 
2011-09-05 02:13:40 PM

NeoCortex42: The best part of the Conspiracy storyline was it was one of the best attempts by TNG to have an arc. The conspiracy was hinted at during several episodes prior to the end of the arc, and Remmick showed up often enough that it was pretty shocking what they did to him.


you mean the on and off riker and troi gettin it awn didnt count as an arc??

/ *gag*
// hated them both
// cept for troi's t&a
 
2011-09-05 02:16:47 PM
Wasn't there a religious angle or something they were going with on Fringe that was dropped?

How about the evil leapers from Quantum Leap?

Arturo's possibly evil twin joining the Slider's team?

The artifiact from Eureka?
 
2011-09-05 02:17:07 PM
Did we ever find out why Amy had never heard of the Daleks in Series 5 of New Who?
 
2011-09-05 02:26:07 PM

good_2_go: I always found it odd that Tony Soprano never tried to find Melfi's rapist.


He never knew
 
2011-09-05 02:26:31 PM

TheOther: 15. Foreman's near-death experience, House - the results confirm that his brain has been affected. How badly? We may never know, because it never really came up again

Did I dream the subsequent episodes where Foreman's outlook and mental capacity are issues; where he asserts a 'Don't worry, be happy' and he'shiatting the books to relearn what has been lost? Was 13 in the shower the whole time?

All lists suck in some manner, but dayuuum!


You didn't dream it. He couldn't even remember how to make coffee the next episode, so House wouldn't let him touch a patient. He was pretty close to resigning, but by the end of the episode he was using flashcards to retrain his mind. And the incident was referred to in several subsequent episodes. I think it was wrapped up fairly well... House doesn't leave a lot of loose ends with its major characters.

The only other show I watched on this list was TNG. The show runners have come out several times saying that Roddenberry was unhappy with that episode, and never allowed them to follow through with the subplot. He was strongly opposed to continuity and story development at that level. Most of the ideas they were going to use for those aliens became the Borg in later episodes.

Is the rest of the list this bad?
 
2011-09-05 02:32:58 PM
I think the Shanti virus and Peter's girlfriend being stuck in the future were bigger dropped plots than the villains issue. The writer's strike really screwed Heroes over.

Outshined_One: Did we ever find out why Amy had never heard of the Daleks in Series 5 of New Who?


The Dalek invasion of earth never happened thanks to the cracks in time, but after the Big Bang 2 that was all fixed.
 
2011-09-05 02:36:10 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA!! A LOST reference, Subby? Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny! Do you write your own material? Do you? Because that is so fresh. You know, I've, I've never heard anyone make that joke before. Hmm. You're the first. I've never heard anyone reference, reference that outside the program before. God what a clever, smart Subby you must be, to come up with a joke like that all by yourself. That's so fresh too. Any, any Titanic jokes you want to throw at me too as long as we're hitting these phenomena at the height of their popularity. God you're so funny!
 
2011-09-05 02:36:53 PM
Trying to put all of LOST's dropped sub plots into a single list like this is like saying "Which free porn site am I going to download fapping material today?" There's just so many to choose from that you run into performance anxiety, and go back to the one porn site you know has the stuff you like.

Or in LOST parlance:
WAAAAAAALLLLLTTTT!!!!
 
2011-09-05 02:37:01 PM

Stile4aly: I think the Shanti virus and Peter's girlfriend being stuck in the future were bigger dropped plots than the villains issue. The writers's strike really screwed Heroes over.


FTFY

After the first season, the show was heading downhill regardless of the strike. The strike didn't help, but the subsequent season showed that even without the strike the show was a lost cause. It had so much potential, but the writing was atrocious. I'm pretty sure most episode writers hadn't actually watched the show before based on how much character motivations and powers changes throughout each season.
 
2011-09-05 02:38:28 PM
Potential band name: "Eric Foreman's Brain"

Bonus points if half your band claims it's from House, and the other half claim it's from That 70's Show.
 
2011-09-05 02:39:59 PM
And what ever happened to that villainous farmer from critters, in batman:tas? Did he end up hanging out with ivy? We'll never know.
 
2011-09-05 02:43:24 PM

Digitalstrange: Writer doesn't watch House much apparently.

1 the guy who shot House was shot and caught immediately and spent the rest of the episode chained to a bed next to House. In that episode why he shot House was well explained and presumably the guy isn't mentioned ever again is he went to jail for life.


The guy escaped, and there were references in later episodes about how he hadn't been caught. Everything that happens in that episode from the time House gets shot until the last minute or so is just a dream.
 
2011-09-05 02:54:28 PM
Furio doesn't belong in there. It was a full character arc and there was closure. That's not dropped. And the Russian, barefoot, in pajamas, in the freezing snow, missing the back of his skull and bleeding profusely--DIED SOMEWHERE IN THE WOODS. The Russian was a catalyst for what the episode was really about. I really don't understand why people obsess about that guy. It's not like Soprano could deploy helicopters to do an aerial search, and Chris and Paulie were too stupid to make it a quarter mile without getting completely lost because mafiosos are complete melodramatic morons who secretly hate each other (hint: that is the point of the episode).
 
2011-09-05 02:56:49 PM
Everyone help! I've been crammed in Mr. Belding's file cabinet for 20 years!

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2011-09-05 03:08:56 PM

JLEM: Furio doesn't belong in there. It was a full character arc and there was closure. That's not dropped. And the Russian, barefoot, in pajamas, in the freezing snow, missing the back of his skull and bleeding profusely--DIED SOMEWHERE IN THE WOODS. The Russian was a catalyst for what the episode was really about. I really don't understand why people obsess about that guy. It's not like Soprano could deploy helicopters to do an aerial search, and Chris and Paulie were too stupid to make it a quarter mile without getting completely lost because mafiosos are complete melodramatic morons who secretly hate each other (hint: that is the point of the episode).


If the Russian died in the woods, then who stole Chris and Paulie's car?
 
2011-09-05 03:13:47 PM
Could have just said the first 3 seasons of Alias.
 
2011-09-05 03:18:46 PM
What about Dallas, where Ray the ranch hand was having an affair with Lucy Ewing? A couple of years later it was revealed that Ray was Jock's bastard son and Lucy's uncle.

Awkward....

And never mentioned......
 
2011-09-05 03:25:15 PM
What about Joan's roommate from "Mad Men"?
 
2011-09-05 03:27:04 PM

kliq: Everyone help! I've been crammed in Mr. Belding's file cabinet for 20 years!

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What's creepier, Belding following Zack across the country to continue teaching him or Mr. Feeny somehow teaching Corey from Boy Meets World from grade school to college and somehow shadowing him his entire life, albeit in the same town they where neighbors in?
 
2011-09-05 03:28:13 PM

mikieb: If the Russian died in the woods, then who stole Chris and Paulie's car?


It got towed, if that even was the place they had parked it in. If not, it got towed from where they'd actually parked it.
 
2011-09-05 03:37:25 PM

NeoCortex42: Tatsuma: DamnYankees: That's probably because Lost resolved almost all of its subplots.

Oh yeah, like we know

What was the deal with Libby
What exactly were Walt's powers, why he had them, and how they could have been useful to the Others.
What exactly were Walt's superpowers and how come they never actually did anything useful?
Where did all the extras disappear to when the main cast went back in time?
If everybody who crashes into the island dies or can't get off the island, how did anybody get off the island to tell Darma about the island?
How come Jacob was invisible to people before he was dead?
Where did the "island natives" come from?

If these thousands of people were on the island and didn't see each other for months, how come the one night Michael decided to take his boat off the island, the cast from Deliverance knew exactly where he'd be? And why did they want Walt so bad in the first place?
How come so many people kept popping up on the island who never checked to see if the survivors of the plane crash were okay?
Why was Walt the only kid on the plane? Because I don't know about you guys but I have never flown anywhere without the adorable companionship of a screaming baby.
Why was Darma still making food drops?
What was that light/"source" on the island after all? How did that cork get there? What were those skeletons below the waterfall?

and a thousand other subplots that were absolutely not never answered after we were told they would be, only to be later told 'Stupid it's not about the Island, it's about the characters!'

Libby had a breakdown when her husband died and checked herself into the hospital.
Walt was mostly useful to the Others because they needed children to replenish their population due to the pregnancy issue.
The main cast went back in time, not everybody. The extras were still chilling on the island.
It's possible to get off the island by using the right bearing. It's not impossible for someone to make it off and figure out how to get back (The mainland station)
Island Natives were the survivors of crashed boats over the years, or abductees from Dharma, etc.


Maybe I'll do the rest later. I have a meeting to go to. Most of your questions were either answered or really are not important at all.


I believe that most of the extras either became "Others" or were just killed off.
Jacob was never invisible. He just choose not to reveal himself.
Dharma kept making food drops because nobody ever bothered turning off the food drop alert system.
The skeletons were MIB and his mother.
The Others were always tracking the suvivors and had Ethan in their camp, which is how they knew Michael was trying to leave.
The only people who popped up on the island after the crash were sent by Widmore, who were there to take out Ben and take over the island. Oceanic covered up the crash by saying everyone died.
There were other kids on the flight. We saw some from the tail section and they ended up with the Others.
I'll give you the whole "source"/cork thing. We just know that the cork was meant to stop the world from ending or something.

/Yes, I'm a major Lost nerd.
//And I can tell you probably just watched about a season and a half worth of the show, decided it required too much thinking, and picked up tidbits about what happened from other sources.
 
2011-09-05 03:49:32 PM

LordOfThePings: TheOther: I thought Janeway was exiled to the Delta Quadrant because she was the new hive queen?

I thought it was because nobody in the Alpha Quadrant could stand her voice.


I don't think it ever suck quite as low as Enterprise. I recall a site written by a screenwriter with scathing reviews of most of the episodes discussing the many inconsistencies and plot holes.

Ah, here it is. (new window)

What I personally recall as being the most egregious were the capture of a cell ship early on that could travel much, much faster than the Enterprise and could cloak - something that could have been very useful on many later occasions but was completely forgotten in the hold, and several hints dropped about a "Temporal Cold War" that appeared to be planned to dominate the storyline until it was dropped completely to make room for a heavy-handed and badly overextended commentary on terrorism and multiculturalism culminating in a few final episodes that looked like nothing more than an attempt by the writers to physically reach through fans' TV screens and quite literally masturbate them.
 
2011-09-05 04:10:00 PM
Mad About You - whatever happened to Selby?
sharetv.org

He suddenly morphed into Cousin Ira:
www.seriessub.com

And everyone forgets the most notorious dropped subplot from ST:TOS:
What the hell happened to Lt. Dave Bailey?
trekmovie.com
 
2011-09-05 04:11:06 PM

clkeagle: TheOther: 15. Foreman's near-death experience, House - the results confirm that his brain has been affected. How badly? We may never know, because it never really came up again

Did I dream the subsequent episodes where Foreman's outlook and mental capacity are issues; where he asserts a 'Don't worry, be happy' and he'shiatting the books to relearn what has been lost? Was 13 in the shower the whole time?

All lists suck in some manner, but dayuuum!

You didn't dream it. He couldn't even remember how to make coffee the next episode, so House wouldn't let him touch a patient. He was pretty close to resigning, but by the end of the episode he was using flashcards to retrain his mind. And the incident was referred to in several subsequent episodes. I think it was wrapped up fairly well... House doesn't leave a lot of loose ends with its major characters.

The only other show I watched on this list was TNG. The show runners have come out several times saying that Roddenberry was unhappy with that episode, and never allowed them to follow through with the subplot. He was strongly opposed to continuity and story development at that level. Most of the ideas they were going to use for those aliens became the Borg in later episodes.

Is the rest of the list this bad?


Other than West Wing and Twin Peaks, I don't think I ever watched enough of the others to give any kind of informed input. I thought Sam's departure on West Wing was clearly defined and not part of the White House story. I don't remember the Twin Peaks incidents, so they must be pretty obscure. Terrible list.
 
2011-09-05 04:15:25 PM

CZMisfitsFan: //And I can tell you probably just watched about a season and a half worth of the show, decided it required too much thinking, and picked up tidbits about what happened from other sources.


Actually I just mostly cut pasted a list of question from some random blog.

I watched each seasons up to Season 6 multiple times. 4-5 times easily.

Thanks to season 6, I gave my dvds away and I'm never going to bother again. That's coming from someone who will watch season 6 and 7 of buffy when I'm doing a series run.
 
2011-09-05 04:16:36 PM

CZMisfitsFan: //And I can tell you probably just watched about a season and a half worth of the show, decided it required too much thinking, and picked up tidbits about what happened from other sources.


oh and not only were you an assuming and insulting twat, you also carefully managed not to answer most of these questions at the same time

I've never seen you before, and I really haven't lost much.
 
2011-09-05 04:19:15 PM
the MASH spearchucker Jones MIA was due, in part, to the writers finding out, just a bit too late, that there weren't any black doctors in the US forces in Korea.

I vaguely remember some show, was it Fresh Prince maybe? mentioning an older brother at boarding school once, and then never again.

The list needs a sub-category of "it was all a dream" fixes for subplots. Newhart is exempt though.
 
2011-09-05 04:28:12 PM
Psychic Daphne.
 
2011-09-05 04:31:56 PM

Tatsuma: CZMisfitsFan: //And I can tell you probably just watched about a season and a half worth of the show, decided it required too much thinking, and picked up tidbits about what happened from other sources.

oh and not only were you an assuming and insulting twat, you also carefully managed not to answer most of these questions at the same time

I've never seen you before, and I really haven't lost much.

If you've seen each season that many times, you would have had all the answers. Unless you did have the answers and you just copied and pasted from that blog to make some kind of point. The only questions I didn't answer were about Walt (I agree that storyline went nowhere) and the whole "Source"/cork thing which I acknowledged.

/Each Farker has some twatness in them. I just choose to reveal mine now.
 
2011-09-05 04:31:56 PM

Zombie DJ: HAHAHAHAHAHA!! A LOST reference, Subby? Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny! Do you write your own material? Do you? Because that is so fresh. You know, I've, I've never heard anyone make that joke before. Hmm. You're the first. I've never heard anyone reference, reference that outside the program before. God what a clever, smart Subby you must be, to come up with a joke like that all by yourself. That's so fresh too. Any, any Titanic jokes you want to throw at me too as long as we're hitting these phenomena at the height of their popularity. God you're so funny!




A Family Guy reference? Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny! Do you write your own material? Do you? Because that is so fresh. You know, I've, I've never heard anyone make that joke before. Hmm. You're the first. I've never heard anyone reference, reference that outside the program before. God what a clever, smart Subby you must be, to come up with a joke like that all by yourself. That's so fresh too. Any, any Titanic jokes you want to throw at me too as long as we're hitting these phenomena at the height of their popularity. God you're so funny!
 
2011-09-05 04:39:39 PM

CZMisfitsFan: If you've seen each season that many times, you would have had all the answers. Unless you did have the answers and you just copied and pasted from that blog to make some kind of point. The only questions I didn't answer were about Walt (I agree that storyline went nowhere) and the whole "Source"/cork thing which I acknowledged.


I also posted a link to an actual list, where you have the top 50 unresolved plot points from Lost.
 
2011-09-05 04:40:16 PM

CZMisfitsFan: Dharma kept making food drops because nobody ever bothered turning off the food drop alert system.


Doesn't add up because food drops were ordered from the station that Locke blew up after playing chess with the computer.

CZMisfitsFan: The skeletons were MIB and his mother.


While this was explained this is one of the things that even a LOST fan can not rationalize away how they fumbled this.

CZMisfitsFan: The only people who popped up on the island after the crash were sent by Widmore, who were there to take out Ben and take over the island. Oceanic covered up the crash by saying everyone died.


Oceanic didn't cover the crash up, Widmore did.

NeoCortex42: Libby had a breakdown when her husband died and checked herself into the hospital.


Half of this is true (for sure). Her checking herself in was only discussed in the sideways universe, and therefore is not necessarily true.
 
2011-09-05 04:44:47 PM

Tatsuma: Oh yeah, like we know


That's the most retarded list I've ever seen.
 
2011-09-05 04:46:26 PM

Cutchaholic: Mad Men...


Mad Men is so frustrating to me in that way and, yeah, I wondered what they were trying to achieve with that particular subplot. Also, why get us so attached to characters like Salvatore and Kinsey just to make them disappear completely with no satisfying resolution? Those two in particular seemed to get a raw deal considering how much screen time they had in the first three seasons.

/4th season sucked
//Breaking Bad > Mad Men
 
2011-09-05 04:50:21 PM
Wow, TNG had some crappy effects.
 
2011-09-05 04:51:30 PM

Ecobuckeye: Wow, TNG had some crappy effects.


It was the late 80s, early 90s, what do you expect?
 
2011-09-05 04:51:33 PM

Digitalstrange: Writer doesn't watch House much apparently.

1 the guy who shot House was shot and caught immediately and spent the rest of the episode chained to a bed next to House. In that episode why he shot House was well explained and presumably the guy isn't mentioned ever again is he went to jail for life.

2 the Foreman near death episodes aftermath played out over several following episodes as he had to learn some things all over again and was, for a brief time a very different person and House made much of how BS Foremans attitude conversion was until finally he was proven right and Foreman went back to his old self.

How much more plot exploration did that need for the author?


The Foreman near death two-parter ends with him mixing up his left and right. There's never any other physical symptoms or talk of physical symptoms. Yeah, there are a few shots of him reading books, but the brain issues did seem underplayed.

There's the whole happy-about-everything personality shift, but that's a change (and change back) of character and point of view, not a symptom.

Still, apparently this list sucks. I haven't watched most of the shows on it so I can't really comment much.
 
2011-09-05 04:56:16 PM

PizzaJedi81: Ecobuckeye: Wow, TNG had some crappy effects.

It was the late 80s, early 90s, what do you expect?


On a television show budget, no less. Though I did like the facial peel and subsequent head 'asplode.
 
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